| stochastic | persia, are you around? | 09:25 |
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| persia | I am | 09:27 |
| stochastic | sorry I didn't keep my window focused persia, but I was meaning to talk with you about the duties of release management | 09:45 |
| persia | Oh, sure. | 09:51 |
| persia | I'm not an expert, but I can certainly give you some pointers. | 09:51 |
| persia | Sorry. Hunting URLs. | 09:54 |
| stochastic | well I'm new to the idea of a release manager's position to be honest, so you're suggestion that we need one is something I'd like to hear more about | 09:54 |
| persia | So, release management consists of making sure that a given flavour is suited for release. | 09:54 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess talks about the final release process | 09:54 |
| persia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess talks about steps along the way | 09:55 |
| persia | (The next milestone is Thursday) | 09:55 |
| persia | The duties I was thinking about in the meeting are as follows: | 09:56 |
| persia | 1) Track the status of the image builds (daily and milestone) and make sure that images are a) being built, and b) roughly correct in content | 09:57 |
| persia | 2) idle in #ubuntu-release and take responsibility for completing or delegating any actions that belong to ubuntustudio | 09:58 |
| persia | 3) Ensure that there is sufficient testing on the ISO tracker for each milestone release and that any discovered release-critical bugs are escalated appropriately. This can be done directly, by leading a testing team, or by delegating to a testing team leader. | 09:59 |
| persia | 4) Attend weekly release meetings, raise any issues of particular importance to ubuntustudio, and mention progress on ubuntustudio goals. | 09:59 |
| persia | Related to 4) is escalating anything that needs studio developer attention | 10:00 |
| persia | 5) Making sure the release notes are being generated and will be useful at release time | 10:00 |
| stochastic | This sounds like more dedication than I'm willing to commit to of my volunteer time to be quite frank. I can help with some of it, but not all. | 10:01 |
| persia | Note that all of this is limited in that it's only tracking. | 10:01 |
| persia | It's the team lead that's supposed to be driving stuff, with the release manager only making sure it's being done and reporting when it's not. | 10:01 |
| persia | I understand entirely. | 10:02 |
| persia | I think we'd benefit from having someone who did all of that, but right now I don't think any of it is being done. | 10:02 |
| persia | Taking over some of the role would likely be of benefit, and I suspect if you took all of it, you could delegate some chunks to others. | 10:02 |
| persia | For instance, I know ScottL was working on release notes. | 10:03 |
| stochastic | Isn't #1 being done by the daily health check e-mails? | 10:03 |
| stochastic | #3 I can likely be on top of | 10:03 |
| stochastic | #2 I can certainly help with, but I may miss some stuff. | 10:04 |
| stochastic | #4 is a bit too much dedication. I likely won't be able to meet every week. | 10:04 |
| * stochastic checks fridge to see when their meetings are | 10:05 | |
| persia | For #1, someone has to read them and complain when there's an issue. | 10:05 |
| persia | Even partial coverage of #2 would be a benefit | 10:06 |
| persia | I can understand #4: perhaps you could delegate to someone? I can't always stay awake to make those meetings. I don't know others' schedules. | 10:06 |
| stochastic | #4 I can only catch the first half hour of the meetings before I need to leave for work every week. | 10:06 |
| persia | Yeah, and we'd end up at the very end, so that doesn't work. | 10:07 |
| persia | ScottL: What's your time like on Fridays? | 10:07 |
| stochastic | he's sleeping right now | 10:07 |
| persia | Right, but he'll catch it when he wakes. He's good about reading backscroll. | 10:11 |
| persia | I think he's the most westerly of us though, which makes him a good candidate for the meeting, since he seems to be able to IRC at work. | 10:11 |
| stochastic | I am more westerly than he is (Vancouver), but I work at 5pm here and the meeting starts at 4pm. | 10:13 |
| stochastic | maybe ScottL and I can work together to delegate these duties. | 10:13 |
| stochastic | persia, were there any other points that needed to be tackled? | 10:15 |
| persia | There's more to do, but if someone just starts coordinating those 5 points, it's a massive improvement in our chances of having a good release. | 10:18 |
| persia | And I think a lot of the rest of the stuff really properly belongs to testers and developers. | 10:18 |
| persia | While there's aspects of release management involved, it mostly comes down to making sure the testers and developers are feeling some pain if the work isn't getting done. | 10:19 |
| stochastic | a big problem facing Ubuntu Studio is the fact that the testers, developers and release managers are kind of all the same limited group of people | 10:21 |
| persia | Indeed :) | 10:22 |
| persia | And by separating the roles we don't all end up duplicating the same work, and hopefully more can get done. | 10:22 |
| ScottL | persia, stochastic: i'd have to check the time for the #ubuntu-release meeting (I'll do that at work, I'll be there in thirty minutes) | 12:02 |
| ScottL | it might be on a knife's edge, if it's 4pm for stochastic it might be right before I leave from work and that might be hard to do | 12:02 |
| persia | It's something like 3-5 hours from now, except on Fridays. | 12:03 |
| ScottL | persia, oh, well that puts it more or less right in the middle of my day which should be fine ;) | 12:03 |
| ScottL | stochastic, and whatever you need me to do (re: delegate duties or whatever really) I will try my best to help | 12:04 |
| * ScottL off to work | 12:04 | |
| persia | ScottL: It tends to last 60-90 minutes, but check the fridge | 12:04 |
| persia | (and you'd only be skimming most of it) | 12:04 |
| ScottL | abogani: Family = my wife and kids (I tend to get up early and they tend not to) - I say this because you asked something about it yesterday morning | 12:05 |
| abogani | ScottL: How many kids? | 12:09 |
| ScottL_ | the #ubuntu-release meeting is 10am local time, so that shouldn't be a problem me thinks | 13:18 |
| ScottL_ | although I wish the fridge and google calendar had better intergration with UCT/GMT to local time :/ | 13:25 |
| * ckontros is trying out some new Kubuntu | 17:56 | |
| * jussi01 bites ckontros | 17:58 | |
| * ScottL_ laughs | 18:36 | |
| ScottL_ | jussi01: any word on a renamed / dedicated Ubuntu Studio forum within Ubuntu Forums? | 18:37 |
| jussi01 | ScottL_: I havent even asked. My apologies, Ill get onto it tonight (been crazy with work and thesis) | 18:38 |
| ScottL_ | jussi01: don't rush, get to it when you can | 18:39 |
| ScottL_ | I'll just keep it in the back of my mind so it doesn't get forgotten | 18:40 |
| jussi01 | ScottL_: I just had a conversation with jdong and sent an email to the FC with you copied in. | 19:01 |
| jussi01 | ScottL_: we should be sorted. | 19:01 |
| ScottL_ | jussi01: super sweet! thanks | 19:15 |
| abogani | jussi01: Jussi are you around? | 20:12 |
| * stochastic bonks his head with the realization that the #ubuntu-release meetings that persia and ScottL were talking about are actually at 4pm GMT not local time, so they're at 8am for myself (a bit before I usually wake up) | 22:42 | |
| persia | UTC actually, so that when BST is in place the time doesn't change everywhere else | 22:44 |
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