[09:25] persia, are you around? [09:27] I am [09:45] sorry I didn't keep my window focused persia, but I was meaning to talk with you about the duties of release management [09:51] Oh, sure. [09:51] I'm not an expert, but I can certainly give you some pointers. [09:54] Sorry. Hunting URLs. [09:54] well I'm new to the idea of a release manager's position to be honest, so you're suggestion that we need one is something I'd like to hear more about [09:54] So, release management consists of making sure that a given flavour is suited for release. [09:54] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess talks about the final release process [09:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess talks about steps along the way [09:55] (The next milestone is Thursday) [09:56] The duties I was thinking about in the meeting are as follows: [09:57] 1) Track the status of the image builds (daily and milestone) and make sure that images are a) being built, and b) roughly correct in content [09:58] 2) idle in #ubuntu-release and take responsibility for completing or delegating any actions that belong to ubuntustudio [09:59] 3) Ensure that there is sufficient testing on the ISO tracker for each milestone release and that any discovered release-critical bugs are escalated appropriately. This can be done directly, by leading a testing team, or by delegating to a testing team leader. [09:59] 4) Attend weekly release meetings, raise any issues of particular importance to ubuntustudio, and mention progress on ubuntustudio goals. [10:00] Related to 4) is escalating anything that needs studio developer attention [10:00] 5) Making sure the release notes are being generated and will be useful at release time [10:01] This sounds like more dedication than I'm willing to commit to of my volunteer time to be quite frank. I can help with some of it, but not all. [10:01] Note that all of this is limited in that it's only tracking. [10:01] It's the team lead that's supposed to be driving stuff, with the release manager only making sure it's being done and reporting when it's not. [10:02] I understand entirely. [10:02] I think we'd benefit from having someone who did all of that, but right now I don't think any of it is being done. [10:02] Taking over some of the role would likely be of benefit, and I suspect if you took all of it, you could delegate some chunks to others. [10:03] For instance, I know ScottL was working on release notes. [10:03] Isn't #1 being done by the daily health check e-mails? [10:03] #3 I can likely be on top of [10:04] #2 I can certainly help with, but I may miss some stuff. [10:04] #4 is a bit too much dedication. I likely won't be able to meet every week. [10:05] * stochastic checks fridge to see when their meetings are [10:05] For #1, someone has to read them and complain when there's an issue. [10:06] Even partial coverage of #2 would be a benefit [10:06] I can understand #4: perhaps you could delegate to someone? I can't always stay awake to make those meetings. I don't know others' schedules. [10:06] #4 I can only catch the first half hour of the meetings before I need to leave for work every week. [10:07] Yeah, and we'd end up at the very end, so that doesn't work. [10:07] ScottL: What's your time like on Fridays? [10:07] he's sleeping right now [10:11] Right, but he'll catch it when he wakes. He's good about reading backscroll. [10:11] I think he's the most westerly of us though, which makes him a good candidate for the meeting, since he seems to be able to IRC at work. [10:13] I am more westerly than he is (Vancouver), but I work at 5pm here and the meeting starts at 4pm. [10:13] maybe ScottL and I can work together to delegate these duties. [10:15] persia, were there any other points that needed to be tackled? [10:18] There's more to do, but if someone just starts coordinating those 5 points, it's a massive improvement in our chances of having a good release. [10:18] And I think a lot of the rest of the stuff really properly belongs to testers and developers. [10:19] While there's aspects of release management involved, it mostly comes down to making sure the testers and developers are feeling some pain if the work isn't getting done. [10:21] a big problem facing Ubuntu Studio is the fact that the testers, developers and release managers are kind of all the same limited group of people [10:22] Indeed :) [10:22] And by separating the roles we don't all end up duplicating the same work, and hopefully more can get done. [12:02] persia, stochastic: i'd have to check the time for the #ubuntu-release meeting (I'll do that at work, I'll be there in thirty minutes) [12:02] it might be on a knife's edge, if it's 4pm for stochastic it might be right before I leave from work and that might be hard to do [12:03] It's something like 3-5 hours from now, except on Fridays. [12:03] persia, oh, well that puts it more or less right in the middle of my day which should be fine ;) [12:04] stochastic, and whatever you need me to do (re: delegate duties or whatever really) I will try my best to help [12:04] * ScottL off to work [12:04] ScottL: It tends to last 60-90 minutes, but check the fridge [12:04] (and you'd only be skimming most of it) [12:05] abogani: Family = my wife and kids (I tend to get up early and they tend not to) - I say this because you asked something about it yesterday morning [12:09] ScottL: How many kids? [13:18] the #ubuntu-release meeting is 10am local time, so that shouldn't be a problem me thinks [13:25] although I wish the fridge and google calendar had better intergration with UCT/GMT to local time :/ [17:56] * ckontros is trying out some new Kubuntu [17:58] * jussi01 bites ckontros [18:36] * ScottL_ laughs [18:37] jussi01: any word on a renamed / dedicated Ubuntu Studio forum within Ubuntu Forums? [18:38] ScottL_: I havent even asked. My apologies, Ill get onto it tonight (been crazy with work and thesis) [18:39] jussi01: don't rush, get to it when you can [18:40] I'll just keep it in the back of my mind so it doesn't get forgotten [19:01] ScottL_: I just had a conversation with jdong and sent an email to the FC with you copied in. [19:01] ScottL_: we should be sorted. [19:15] jussi01: super sweet! thanks [20:12] jussi01: Jussi are you around? [22:42] * stochastic bonks his head with the realization that the #ubuntu-release meetings that persia and ScottL were talking about are actually at 4pm GMT not local time, so they're at 8am for myself (a bit before I usually wake up) [22:44] UTC actually, so that when BST is in place the time doesn't change everywhere else