[09:25] <stochastic> persia, are you around?
[09:27] <persia> I am
[09:45] <stochastic> sorry I didn't keep my window focused persia, but I was meaning to talk with you about the duties of release management
[09:51] <persia> Oh, sure.
[09:51] <persia> I'm not an expert, but I can certainly give you some pointers.
[09:54] <persia> Sorry.  Hunting URLs.
[09:54] <stochastic> well I'm new to the idea of a release manager's position to be honest, so you're suggestion that we need one is something I'd like to hear more about
[09:54] <persia> So, release management consists of making sure that a given flavour is suited for release.
[09:54] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess talks about the final release process
[09:55] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess talks about steps along the way
[09:55] <persia> (The next milestone is Thursday)
[09:56] <persia> The duties I was thinking about in the meeting are as follows:
[09:57] <persia> 1) Track the status of the image builds (daily and milestone) and make sure that images are a) being built, and b) roughly correct in content
[09:58] <persia> 2) idle in #ubuntu-release and take responsibility for completing or delegating any actions that belong to ubuntustudio
[09:59] <persia> 3) Ensure that there is sufficient testing on the ISO tracker for each milestone release and that any discovered release-critical bugs are escalated appropriately.  This can be done directly, by leading a testing team, or by delegating to a testing team leader.
[09:59] <persia> 4) Attend weekly release meetings, raise any issues of particular importance to ubuntustudio, and mention progress on ubuntustudio goals.
[10:00] <persia> Related to 4) is escalating anything that needs studio developer attention
[10:00] <persia> 5) Making sure the release notes are being generated and will be useful at release time
[10:01] <stochastic> This sounds like more dedication than I'm willing to commit to of my volunteer time to be quite frank.  I can help with some of it, but not all.
[10:01] <persia> Note that all of this is limited in that it's only tracking.
[10:01] <persia> It's the team lead that's supposed to be driving stuff, with the release manager only making sure it's being done and reporting when it's not.
[10:02] <persia> I understand entirely.
[10:02] <persia> I think we'd benefit from having someone who did all of that, but right now I don't think any of it is being done.
[10:02] <persia> Taking over some of the role would likely be of benefit, and I suspect if you took all of it, you could delegate some chunks to others.
[10:03] <persia> For instance, I know ScottL was working on release notes.
[10:03] <stochastic> Isn't #1 being done by the daily health check e-mails?
[10:03] <stochastic> #3 I can likely be on top of
[10:04] <stochastic> #2 I can certainly help with, but I may miss some stuff.
[10:04] <stochastic> #4 is a bit too much dedication.  I likely won't be able to meet every week.
[10:05]  * stochastic checks fridge to see when their meetings are
[10:05] <persia> For #1, someone has to read them and complain when there's an issue.
[10:06] <persia> Even partial coverage of #2 would be a benefit
[10:06] <persia> I can understand #4: perhaps you could delegate to someone?  I can't always stay awake to make those meetings.  I don't know others' schedules.
[10:06] <stochastic> #4 I can only catch the first half hour of the meetings before I need to leave for work every week.
[10:07] <persia> Yeah, and we'd end up at the very end, so that doesn't work.
[10:07] <persia> ScottL: What's your time like on Fridays?
[10:07] <stochastic> he's sleeping right now
[10:11] <persia> Right, but he'll catch it when he wakes.  He's good about reading backscroll.
[10:11] <persia> I think he's the most westerly of us though, which makes him a good candidate for the meeting, since he seems to be able to IRC at work.
[10:13] <stochastic> I am more westerly than he is (Vancouver), but I work at 5pm here and the meeting starts at 4pm.
[10:13] <stochastic> maybe ScottL and I can work together to delegate these duties.
[10:15] <stochastic> persia, were there any other points that needed to be tackled?
[10:18] <persia> There's more to do, but if someone just starts coordinating those 5 points, it's a massive improvement in our chances of having a good release.
[10:18] <persia> And I think a lot of the rest of the stuff really properly belongs to testers and developers.
[10:19] <persia> While there's aspects of release management involved, it mostly comes down to making sure the testers and developers are feeling some pain if the work isn't getting done.
[10:21] <stochastic> a big problem facing Ubuntu Studio is the fact that the testers, developers and release managers are kind of all the same limited group of people
[10:22] <persia> Indeed :)
[10:22] <persia> And by separating the roles we don't all end up duplicating the same work, and hopefully more can get done.
[12:02] <ScottL> persia, stochastic:  i'd have to check the time for the #ubuntu-release meeting (I'll do that at work, I'll be there in thirty minutes)
[12:02] <ScottL> it might be on a knife's edge, if it's 4pm for stochastic it might be right before I leave from work and that might be hard to do
[12:03] <persia> It's something like 3-5 hours from now, except on Fridays.
[12:03] <ScottL> persia, oh, well that puts it more or less right in the middle of my day which should be fine ;)
[12:04] <ScottL> stochastic, and whatever you need me to do (re: delegate duties or whatever really) I will try my best to help
[12:04]  * ScottL off to work
[12:04] <persia> ScottL: It tends to last 60-90 minutes, but check the fridge
[12:04] <persia> (and you'd only be skimming most of it)
[12:05] <ScottL> abogani: Family = my wife and kids (I tend to get up early and they tend not to) - I say this because you asked something about it yesterday morning
[12:09] <abogani> ScottL: How many kids?
[13:18] <ScottL_> the #ubuntu-release meeting is 10am local time, so that shouldn't be a problem me thinks
[13:25] <ScottL_> although I wish the fridge and google calendar had better intergration with UCT/GMT to local time :/ 
[17:56]  * ckontros is trying out some new Kubuntu
[17:58]  * jussi01 bites ckontros
[18:36]  * ScottL_ laughs
[18:37] <ScottL_> jussi01: any word on a renamed / dedicated Ubuntu Studio forum within Ubuntu Forums?
[18:38] <jussi01> ScottL_: I havent even asked. My apologies, Ill get onto it tonight (been crazy with work and thesis)
[18:39] <ScottL_> jussi01: don't rush, get to it when you can
[18:40] <ScottL_> I'll just keep it in the back of my mind so it doesn't get forgotten
[19:01] <jussi01> ScottL_: I just had a conversation with jdong and sent an email to the FC with you copied in. 
[19:01] <jussi01> ScottL_: we should be sorted.
[19:15] <ScottL_> jussi01: super sweet!  thanks
[20:12] <abogani> jussi01: Jussi are you around?
[22:42]  * stochastic bonks his head with the realization that the #ubuntu-release meetings that persia and ScottL were talking about are actually at 4pm GMT not local time, so they're at 8am for myself (a bit before I usually wake up)
[22:44] <persia> UTC actually, so that when BST is in place the time doesn't change everywhere else