[01:01] <LaserJock> evening Edubunters
[01:05] <stgraber> hey LaserJock
[01:05] <stgraber> has been a long time !
[01:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:06] <LaserJock> how are things in Edubuntu land?
[01:06] <LaserJock> you guys excited for Lucid? :-)
[01:15] <stgraber> LaserJock: very good, alpha3 should work quite well. After that we just need some more artwork and LTSP in the LiveCD and that should be it.
[01:16] <LaserJock> cool
[01:16] <LaserJock> I've been playing a little bit with Netbook Edition, as it's what I'm running full time these days
[01:17] <LaserJock> I was thinking this evening that the netbook-launcher with a custom educational menu would be pretty cool for younger students
[01:17] <LaserJock> big icons, easy navigation
[01:19] <stgraber> yep, we have the packages on the DVD though we'll need some kind of script to let the user easily install it after a standard install.
[01:19] <stgraber> I was initially thinking of some custom menu after ubiquity asking if you want to get LTSP and/or the netbook interface installed
[01:20] <stgraber> not sure we'll be able to make that for Lucid though
[01:22] <LaserJock> well, most people will be looking for solid LTSP and a stable LTS release
[01:23] <LaserJock> I saw your announcement of the LTSP release
[01:24] <stgraber> must have been hard to miss ;) It got published on quite a few news sites.
[01:25] <LaserJock> how are the seeds going?
[01:25] <LaserJock> I saw something about the packages that were being tracked for bugs changed
[01:25] <stgraber> good for now, I had quite a few issues with KDE and the langpacks
[01:25] <LaserJock> and I saw a few apps I hadn't seen before on the list
[01:26] <LaserJock> ah, yeah
[01:26] <stgraber> yeah, we added a few from universe now that they fixed the DVD building script :)
[01:26] <LaserJock> cool
[01:27] <LaserJock> so how big is the DVD then?
[01:27] <stgraber> 1.8G
[01:27] <LaserJock> awesome!
[02:04] <mhall119|work> hey, it's LaserJock
[02:04] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: I resubmitted the qimo-session, and let jstrand know, here's hoping it's what he wanted
[02:09] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: hi
[02:10] <mhall119|work> what's up doc?
[02:10] <mhall119|work> yes, bad pun, I know.  But it's late and I'm drinking
[02:16] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: heh
[02:16] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: well, I'm workin' on research, saving the world and all ;-)
[02:16] <LaserJock> surviving New England
[02:17] <mhall119|work> cool, whatcha saving us from?
[02:18] <LaserJock> "the enemy"
[02:19] <LaserJock> or as we call it, "the adversary"
[02:19] <mhall119|work> satan?
[02:19] <mhall119|work> wow
[02:20] <LaserJock> something like that ;-)
[02:22] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: I'm actually going to be able to work on something explosive though
[02:23] <LaserJock> mhall119|work: spontaneous ignition upon contact with air .... just another day in the lab
[02:33] <mhall119|work> like potasium?
[02:33] <LaserJock> not exactly
[02:34] <LaserJock> a little more "boom" then that
[02:34] <LaserJock> *than
[03:05] <mhall119|work> fun
[03:05] <mhall119|work> please tell me you're gonna package it in a can labeled "Whoop-Ass"
[03:20] <lfaraone> Hi, I want to install nvidia drivers in my LTSP PXE-served chroot, without having DKMS running the module compilation on each run. How can I accomplish that? (I'm on Ubuntu karmic)
[03:20] <lfaraone> in the past, when I've installed restricted drivers DKMS halts the client boot process while it installs the module each time a client starrts.
[09:28] <jussi01> Just a reminder to ops in this channel, if you renewed your operatorship, you are now expected to idle in #ubuntu-ops :) See you there.
[13:09] <alkisg> stgraber: I'd like to hide the restart/shutdown/ltsp-cluster-info desktop icons for fat clients, would you mind?
[13:09] <alkisg> Restart+shutdown work from the indicator-session applet, and I think cluster-info is irrelevant for fat clients?
[13:12] <alkisg> One hackish, but convenient way to hide icons for fat clients but show them for localapps enabled items, is to put something in the "TryExec" entry, that's only there for fat clients.
[13:12] <alkisg> That could be either /etc/ltsp_fat_chroot (if we made it a shell script), or a dynamically generated shell file in /bin
[13:12] <alkisg> (which is only generated if LTSP_FATCLIENT=True)
[13:12] <mgariepy> morning all
[13:13] <alkisg> Good morning
[13:19] <alkisg> Ah, better yet, TryExec should be "ltsp-localapps" on those files
[13:19] <alkisg> Hmm sorry no
[13:27] <alkisg> Hmm sorry yes :)
[13:27] <mhall119|work> make up your mind :p
[13:27] <alkisg> TryExec is "xprop" for localapps. So by putting ltsp-localapps in those .desktop files, they should be hidden for fat clients, but showing for localapps clients
[13:28]  * alkisg is worse than a woman shopping :P
[13:42] <stgraber> alkisg: ltsp-cluster-info is relevant even for fat clients. I agree with the two others though
[13:42] <alkisg> stgraber: can I least change it's menu so that it goes into "system"?
[13:42] <alkisg> Now it's creating an "Others" menu, with only those in it...
[13:43] <alkisg> I.e. Category=System or something like that, I'll look for the exact wording
[13:44] <stgraber> alkisg: sounds good
[13:44] <alkisg> OK, thanks
[14:23] <mysterioux> would like to know if edubuntu and ubuntu shares the same look,feel and functionality?
[16:06] <mhall119|work> they both use Gnome, so they'll be more or less the same
[16:06] <mhall119|work> different artwork and themes though
[16:07] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: he's gone gone gone :)
[16:07] <mhall119|work> oh
[16:08]  * mhall119|work doesn't have the nick list up at all times
[16:08]  * mhall119|work also doesn't check timestamps like he should
[16:08]  * sbalneav uses irssi
[16:08] <mhall119|work> me too
[16:09] <mhall119|work> I have timestamps, but not the nick list
[16:09] <sbalneav> Have you got the login/out messages supressed?
[16:09] <mhall119|work> in most channels, yes
[16:09] <sbalneav> ahhh
[16:09] <sbalneav> ok
[16:09] <mhall119|work> also part of my problem
[16:09] <sbalneav> Not a problem, you tried to help
[16:09] <sbalneav> their problem for not hanging around for a bit.
[16:10] <mhall119|work> s/a bit/almost 2 hours/
[16:10] <sbalneav> heck, my rule of thumb is, if the channel's got less than 50 people, you need AT LEAST 24 hours in the channel.
[16:10] <sbalneav> I've asked a question in a channel once, got an answer 3 days later :)
[16:12] <sbalneav> Problem is, everybody's used to things like #ubuntu, where if you ask a question, if you don't get an answer in 10 seconds you're screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!1111oneone"
[16:12] <sbalneav> It's our instant gratification culture.
[16:12] <sbalneav> I blame the invention of the fax machine, personally.
[16:13] <sbalneav> I'm always getting calls like:
[16:13] <sbalneav> "I sent my email 30 seconds ago, and the other end hasn't got it yet!!! Why is our email system broken!!!"
[16:13] <sbalneav> :)
[16:14]  * sbalneav waves his cane over his head
[16:14] <sbalneav> Get off my lawn, you kids!!!
[16:14] <sbalneav> :)
[16:16] <sbalneav> Sooooo.... what does everyone think of the "No Icons in menus and no UI to change it" fiasco? :)
[16:16] <ogra> sbalneav, thats was last release
[16:16] <ogra> youre a bit late
[16:17] <sbalneav> No, in karmic the ui option's still there to turn it on.
[16:17] <ogra> ah
[16:17] <sbalneav> for Lucid, the UI's disappeared.
[16:17] <ogra> well, the change of the default was upstream ... and during karmic
[16:17] <sbalneav> right
[16:17] <sbalneav> it's a GNOME thing.
[16:18] <sbalneav> but for us, I'm thinking it's an issue.
[16:18] <sbalneav> little fingers on the mouse may want the icons turned on.
[16:19] <ogra> just change the default ?
[16:19] <ogra> or did anyone drop the edubuntu gconf files i created ?
[16:21] <sbalneav> Did you create some gconf stuff?!? What's the package name?
[16:21] <sbalneav> I was just going to suggest a "edubuntu-ui-tweak" package where we just set some gconf keys the way we like
[16:22] <sbalneav> If you've already done this, then lets just revive/review it
[16:22] <ogra> it used to live (wrongly) in the edubuntu-artwork package
[16:23] <alkisg> sbalneav: those gconf files could just be part of the edubuntu-artwork package...
[16:23] <alkisg> Heh
[16:23] <alkisg> wrongly? why so?
[16:23] <ogra> should have been moved into an edubuntu-default-settings package imho
[16:23] <alkisg> omg many packages...
[16:23] <ogra> alkisg, its not artwork :=
[16:23] <ogra> :)
[16:23] <alkisg> Sure, icons are artwork
[16:23] <alkisg> Heh
[16:23] <sbalneav> yeah, I'd agree.  I wouldn't think to look for gconf settings in an artwork package.
[16:23] <ogra> well, -defult-settings is a common sheme in ubuntu
[16:24] <sbalneav> ogra++
[16:24] <sbalneav> it would be more "orthoganal" for us.
[16:24] <ogra> its used by many flavours ... i.e. netbook, studio etc
[16:24] <sbalneav> Now that we're past FF, would it be too late to do that?
[16:24] <ogra> i dont think so
[16:24] <ogra> but talk to slangasek
[16:25] <sbalneav> alkisg: that seem reasonable to you?
[16:25] <ogra> i really thought Laser did that spilt long ago
[16:25] <alkisg> sbalneav: sure, if they're willing to accept a new edubuntu-default-settings package past FF, it certainly is fine for me
[16:26] <sbalneav> Nope, the gconf settings are still in the package.
[16:26] <sbalneav> ok, I'll have a look-see and see what we'd need to do to separate 'em.
[18:55] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think the no icons in the menus thing is totally stupid
[18:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I saw someone use a system in a language he doesn't understand briefly to give some support
[18:56] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and he wanted to make some changes but couldn't identify the menu entries as easily before because the icons weren't there anymore
[18:57] <highvoltage> sbalneav: but your gnome upstream now so you can change it for us right? :)
[20:21] <sbalneav> highvoltage: HAH
[20:22] <sbalneav> I just got my foundation membership, don't get me kicked out.
[20:23] <highvoltage> oops s/your/you're/
[20:24] <sbalneav> Best bet's just going to be to add the gconf key to the artwork pack
[20:25] <sbalneav> I thought the one fellow on planet had a good point.  No icons makes it much harder for dyslexics
[20:26] <highvoltage> Martin Owens
[20:26] <highvoltage> yes I agree with him
[20:27] <highvoltage> besides the usability issues- it just looks broken
[20:28] <alkisg> Well they could at least make it *easy* to change...