[00:39] <neversfelde> Sput: is there an option to deactivate this new blinking quassel icon in the tray? Seems to be not necessary for message indiactor users.
[02:36] <ScottK> neversfelde: Those people should probably just hide the systray icon entirely.
[02:36] <ScottK> (saving real estate in the "notification area" was one of the major rationales for it.
[02:36] <ScottK> )
[02:56] <nixternal> how the hell do you make amarok shuffle?
[02:59] <nixternal> ahh, it's called random, and is in a spot I wouldn't expect anyone to find purposely :/
[02:59] <nixternal> markey: ^^
[03:04] <nixternal> I am doing a PyKDE Opportunistic thingy next week, and this is how opportunistic I am...I have no freakin' clue what kind of small app to do. I was thinking a single, simple media player for jamendo, as this will allow me to show off some different bits and pieces
[03:04] <nixternal> but like, amarok already does it perfectly..I would like to create some sort of small app, that maybe someone can expand on and possibly make something good
[03:06] <nixternal> well hell, I thought this laptop had media keys
[05:53] <nixternal> what is the latest on artwork for plymouth for Kubuntu?
[06:00] <ScottK> Last I heard it was "Talk to tseliot about it".
[06:14] <nixternal> anyone talk to tseliot yet?
[08:12] <robinp> does kubuntu-devel have its own mailing list ?
[08:28] <jussi01> robinp: yes
[08:33] <robinp> jussi01: where do I find it / archives of it ?
[08:34] <jussi01> robinp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/
[08:40] <robinp> jussi01: do you know what has been done for kubuntu-lucid-file-sharing ? (I noticed that it has been delayed until MM).
[08:42] <jussi01> robinp: no idea
[08:42] <robinp> jussi01: ok thanks anyhow - I might just email roderick-greening
[08:54] <ghostcube> new webpage looks good :)
[09:24] <neversfelde> ScottK: that's not really an option, if you want to hide Quassel when clicking the close button and not close it
[09:42] <Sput> neversfelde: still polishing the tray/indicator stuff, I guess you'll get an option to disable the animation before 0.6.0
[09:42] <Sput> I don't consider that a new feature but a bugfix because the option is already there :P
[09:58] <apachelogger> the digikam devel list is insane
[09:59] <apachelogger> bug mails from bko and debian
[10:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: livefs hasn't been uploaded with my change for rm icon cache, mostly because we have no idea what makes that icon cache so we don't know if it'll re-appear after install whe it is needed
[10:48] <apachelogger> oh
[10:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: you know
[10:48] <apachelogger> I for one do :P
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: for hicolor we probably need to hook into ubiquity to make it call it's postinst after the files were moved to the disk
[10:49] <apachelogger> BUT
[10:49] <apachelogger> for oxygen the cache gets generated by knm-runtime
[10:49] <apachelogger> (no clue why
[10:49] <apachelogger> ) and really I think it doesnt matter :P
[10:51] <Riddell> !
[10:51] <Riddell> now that's random
[10:51] <apachelogger> yep
[10:51] <apachelogger> looking at the packaging right now
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: it does yuse dh7 and install stuff to /usr/share/icons, maybe dh7 is smart enough to detect that and add the appropriate maintainer magic?
[10:52] <Riddell> maybe
[10:53]  * apachelogger testbuilds with dh_verbose
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: anyhow, either ubiquity recreates the cache for hicolor or we should restrict the rm to oxygen
[10:54] <Riddell> hicolor has a trigger, it should recreate itself after anything else gets installed
[10:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, there are GTK apps that do not install stuff to hicolor
[10:55]  * apachelogger thinks it is saver to just recreate it *shrug*
[10:56] <Riddell> would't be hard to add it to casper's post install scripts
[10:56] <Riddell> hmm
[10:56] <Riddell> yes that would work
[10:57] <Riddell> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.devel.core/63858  a second touchpad config module
[10:58] <Riddell> this one with an upstream with ambitions
[11:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: casper is run for the live session isn't it?
[11:03]  * apachelogger wouldnt want the startup to be slow down because of cache creation :S
[11:04] <Riddell> casper contains ubiquity-hooks run by ubiquity after install
[11:04] <apachelogger> oh, ok :)
[11:18] <Nightrose> apachelogger: digikam list is insane because it wasn't moderated in ages and now dirk did
[11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the cause is clearly dh7, it invokes all dh scripts around and the dh scripts then decide whether to take action, in dh_icons case that means adding maintainer magic for each folder in /usr/share/icons/ that gets new content
[11:22] <apachelogger> which is what knm-runtime does for oxygen
[11:23] <apachelogger> so I suppose a couple more apps trigger that, but knm-runtime is the only one on the CD
[11:34] <apachelogger> holy pirate!
[11:35] <apachelogger> when will nuno stop putting app icons in main oxygen -.-
[11:49] <shadeslayer> hey :)
[11:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: your kubuntu-firefox-installer upload fixes the problem with kdesudo?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> btw if i want to pipe the output to a file after running a app,how do i do it?
[11:51] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yes
[11:52] <neversfelde> ok, I backported kdesudo for this, but it is not necessary anymore I guess
[11:52] <apachelogger> no :P
[11:52] <apachelogger> nonetheless nice to have
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any ideas?
[11:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pipe the output?
[11:56] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:56] <apachelogger> I do not understand what you want to do
[11:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you open any app via konsole theres loads of lines that scroll by,i want to pipe them to a txt file
[11:58] <apachelogger> ah
[11:58] <apachelogger> what you mean is redirect ;)
[11:58] <shadeslayer> oh..
[11:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: google redirect output bash linux
[11:58] <kubotu> Results for redirect output bash linux: 1. BASH Programming - Introduction HOW-TO: All about redirection: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html | 2. I/O Redirection: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html | 3. BASH Shell: How To Redirect stderr To stdout ( redirect stderr to ...: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/redirecting-stderr-to-stdout/
[11:59] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[12:20] <apachelogger> pong
[12:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wanted to ask what cdbs does
[12:21] <shadeslayer> like it has the default settings of the make file?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> (according to apt-cache show cdbs)
[12:26] <shadeslayer> ugh..
[12:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you implement a makefile yet? :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> that is exactly what cdbs does
[12:28] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:29] <apachelogger> it provides generic makefiles (one could call them macros)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and makefile is something i would find in the source right?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> like Cmakelists etc
[12:30] <apachelogger> cmakelists is no makefile
[12:31] <apachelogger> it is a cmake file, from which cmake will generate a makefile
[12:31] <shadeslayer> oh.
[12:31] <apachelogger> debian/rules in fact is a makefile
[12:31] <shadeslayer> ah..
[12:31] <apachelogger> cdbs files are also makefiles
[12:31] <apachelogger> that is why debian/rules can include them to begin with ;)
[12:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and of course Makefile in the source is a makefile
[12:32] <apachelogger> if you run cmake successfully it should generate lots of those Makefiles
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so like if i add cdbs to debian/rules ill get the default stuff of a debian/rules ( theoretically)
[12:32] <apachelogger> theoretically
[12:32] <apachelogger> there is no default stuff
[12:32] <apachelogger> there is but one call, everything else is dynamic
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i know,configured for each package seprately
[12:33] <shadeslayer> but im just asking theoretically ;)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw ive been using borland C++ compiler on windows and want to use gcc now,i just need a tutorial explaning the nuances of gcc
[12:36] <shadeslayer> any ideas
[12:36] <shadeslayer> im also googling,but thought you might know better
[12:37] <apachelogger> nuances?
[12:37] <apachelogger> gcc [source] -o binary
[12:38] <apachelogger> if you wish gcc -Wall to turn on all warnings
[12:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: usually you do not want to mess with the compiler directly but use build systems like cmake
[12:38] <apachelogger> those will take care of all that stuff on their own
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ok,but its a simple CPP programme
[12:39] <apachelogger> oh g++ would be what you want I suspect ;)
[12:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1809520
[12:39] <shadeslayer> thats the format in borland C++
[12:40] <shadeslayer> i guess i can loose the .h in the headers
[12:41] <shadeslayer> hmm no conio and stdio?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where can i get a description of header files?
[12:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh nvm
[12:46] <apachelogger> never heared of conio
[12:46] <shadeslayer> i asked in #C++ :)
[12:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: console i/p o/o
[12:46] <shadeslayer> *o/p
[12:46] <apachelogger> that sureis no standard
[12:47] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=conio.h
[12:47] <apachelogger> there windows specific
[12:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah #C++ tells me the same ;)
[12:49]  * apachelogger is wondering why one would want to use that anyway, since everything is builtin anyway :P
[12:49] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:02] <ScottK> dpm: Upstream Quassel has fixed the duplicate msgid problem in the one template.  I'll upload the fix after the Alpha 3 freeze is over.
[14:02] <ScottK> It would still be good to get the others imported.
[14:03] <dpm> ScottK, ah, great, they were much quicker than me :). The other ones should have been imported, if they didn't have errors, let me check again...
[14:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:11] <Quintasan> \o
[14:51] <dpm> ScottK, apparently there were some problems on the imports queue the particular day the quassel translations were imported, that's why they remained there. I've now approved them manually and I'll keep an eye on them to make sure they get imported
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you free?
[15:01] <apachelogger> free(apachelogger);
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: now I am
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you teach me how to package libraries?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> make that new libraries
[15:02] <ScottK> dpm: Thanks.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill be free in another 10-15 minutes so...
[15:03] <Riddell> ** New Kubuntu Desktop and Netbook alpha 3 candidate images for testing
[15:04] <shadeslayer> btw whats Stubby? :P
[15:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, we need to do iso testing it seems
[15:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:09] <Sput> dpm: and please keep us posted about upcoming problems with translation things
[15:11] <dpm> Sput, sure, I'll do :)
[15:21] <apachelogger> I did mention that the buzzword "opportunistic" might cause a flame if I have to read it a lot more times?
[15:28] <Sput> just make it an opportunistic trip to space
[15:37] <apachelogger> them opportunistic junkies take every opportunity to drive me mad
[15:37] <al> dpm: btw, is ubuntu using the .pot for anything?
[15:37] <apachelogger> I tell ye, that is not going to end well
[15:40] <dpm> al, actually not, it's what I was commenting the other day in here: having the POT in Launchpad will give you visibility and ease contributions, but since quassel's translations are qt-based, they will not be exported in our language packs. So you can just benefit partly from Launchpad translations: you can use it to obtain translations, but you'll have to get them from there, convert them back to .ts and commit them in the sources
[15:41] <dpm> in fact, that's the only reason I enabled the template there, since I thought you guys were just starting with translations and it would help you to get some more and get in the workflow
[15:41] <dpm> but at the moment quassel remains an exception
[15:41] <dpm> in how we handle templates
[15:41] <dpm> in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[15:42] <al> actually we have .po in the sources
[15:42] <dpm> ah, yeah, that's right
[15:42] <dpm> so you can commit directly the PO files
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm hm
[15:42] <al> yea, i was just wondering how launchpad would learn about new untranslated strings if it's not looking at the .pot file
[15:42] <apachelogger> didnt quassel switch to gettext?
[15:43] <al> yer
[15:43] <dpm> al, it is looking at the pot file, that gets imported from the sources
[15:43] <al> ok
[15:44] <dpm> apachelogger, no, only the translation files were gettextized, they still need to be converted to Qt's format manually
[15:44] <al> so we only need to update .pot and leave individual .po files alone
[15:44] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:44]  * apachelogger smells opportunistic hacks :P
[15:44] <al> not manually :>
[15:45] <dpm> with sticks and stones :)
[15:45]  * apachelogger giggles
[15:45] <al> and duct tape
[15:45] <dpm> :-)
[15:45] <al> but so far it seems to work
[15:46] <al> even in legacy OS
[15:46] <dpm> al, both the POT files and PO files get imported
[15:46] <dpm> so if you commit a translation from someone who sends it to you in git
[15:47] <dpm> when the package including that release is built
[15:47] <dpm> both the POT files and those translations will be imported
[15:47] <al> ok, thanks for clarification
[15:48] <dpm> al, no worries, whenever I can help in any way, just ping me
[15:48] <dpm> bbl, need to prepare a translators meeting
[15:52] <shtylman_> ryanakca: the site still renders wrong on my chromium on lucid
[15:52] <shtylman_> ryanakca: also... is there a screenshot of the site redesign someone is/was working on? ... any clue on when that might go live?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: looks fine on chromium here
[16:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: wheres the problem?
[16:04] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: the header part has only a download arrow in it
[16:05] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: are you behind a proxy? : http://imagebin.ca/view/JxIpeEk.html :
[16:06] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: no
[16:06] <shadeslayer> shtylman_: weird then.. what release of chromium?
[16:07] <shtylman_> shadeslayer: 5.0.336.0 (39849) Ubuntu
[16:07] <shadeslayer> i have 337
[16:07] <shadeslayer> 5.0.337.0 (39982) Ubuntu
[16:08] <shadeslayer> maybe thats the problem?
[16:08] <shtylman_> maybe
[16:08] <shtylman_> oh well
[16:08]  * ScottK larts shtylman_ for using ancient software.
[16:08] <shtylman_> haha :)
[16:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:10] <shadeslayer> oh btw found this amazing site : www.codechef.com : you guys might want to check it out when youre bored :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that is unprofessional
[16:14] <apachelogger> lemme see
[16:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: lart shtylman_
[16:14]  * kubotu rips off shtylman_'s arm, and uses it to beat them to death
[16:15] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[16:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  I'd forgotten
[16:15] <Quintasan> lol
[16:15] <Quintasan> kubotu: cookies for Quintasan
[16:15]  * apachelogger thought kubotu menat shtylman_'s arm cpu
[16:15] <Quintasan> :<
[16:15] <apachelogger> that was quite scary alright
[16:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies, xmas for Quintasan
[16:16]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of last year's, now all dry cookies, down the crappy decorated and totally falling apart bar to Quintasan and shouts: Happy whatever -.-
[16:16] <Quintasan> :O
[16:16]  * apachelogger likes that order best ^^
[16:16]  * Quintasan pokes apachelogger with a stick
[16:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go back to work :P
[16:17]  * apachelogger did not come from work :P
[16:17] <Quintasan> sooo
[16:17] <Quintasan> find something to do? :P
[16:34] <shtylman_> apachelogger: wow... thats pretty graphic
[16:35] <shadeslayer> whut?
[16:35] <daskreech> The mental implication of not coming home from work?
[16:42] <ScottK> I think it was the lart
[16:42] <shtylman_> kubotu: help
[16:42] <kubotu> help topics: 10 core modules: auth, basics, config, filters, httputil, irclog, remote, unicode, userdata, wordlist; 51 plugins: alias, autoop, autorejoin, bans, bar, botsnack, chanserv, debug, dns, eightball, excuse, factoids, googlefight, greet, hangman, host, identica, iplookup, karma, keywords, lart, lastfm, markov, modes, nickrecover, nickserv, note, q, quote, reaction, remind, ri, roshambo, rot, rss, salut,
[16:42] <kubotu> script, search, seen, shiritori, spotify, time, topic, translator, tumblr, twitter, uno, urban, usermodes, wheeloffortune, wserver (help <topic> for more info)
[16:46] <Riddell> plasma netbook widgets look ugly without internet access, first thing you see on logging in is a fail sign
[16:52] <neversfelde> didn't someone fix the problem with having two panels after upgrading to 4.4 on Karmic?
[16:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: where shall I upload gluon? there was a ton of changes and like the package is spilt even more :S
[16:54] <Riddell> neversfelde: no, this fix is in bzr for kdebase-workspace "Remove network-manager-update/zz-plasma-remove-network-manager.py"
[16:54] <Riddell> but I don't think it's in the backports PPA
[16:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: PPA, revu, bug, whereever you like really
[16:54] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, I will have a look, kdepim needs an improvement, too
[16:54] <neversfelde> otherwise my upgrade on the laptop went fine :)
[16:58] <darkwing-mobile> okay. works on wechat. but vzw hates android irc
[16:59]  * ScottK has a vzw droid, not sure what you mean?
[16:59] <darkwing-mobile> *sigh* okay, ill be up and testing tonight. my laptop gets here today.
[17:00] <darkwing-mobile> andeoid irc keeps timing out on my moto droid
[17:01] <darkwing-mobile> scott ill be back to full testing
[17:24] <Riddell> hmm, do we want to let Quintasan into kubuntu-ppa?
[17:24] <Quintasan> yes you want :P
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> I think he already has access via kubuntu-ninjas, but I approved anyways
[17:25] <Riddell> groovy
[17:25] <Quintasan> hngh, LP is slow as turtle again
[17:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: so, new  shiny gluon in Staging PPA
[17:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: they made a ton of changes and I though it would be best to spilt it up when we don't have a lot of files now
[17:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I really think we should reduce the double memberships :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> kubuntu-ninja is key to all and everything, well along with kubuntu-dev
[17:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wouldn't that cut you access to many PPA's? :P
[17:28] <apachelogger> that said
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think kubuntu-dev should be a member of kubuntu-ninjas
[17:29] <ScottK> darkwing-mobile: I've been using AndChat on my Droid.  Seems to work reasonably well.
[17:32] <verbalshadow> nixternal: doesn't seem the your koffice work didn't make it into universe yet :(
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> ^prob. sitting in binary new queue
[17:33] <nixternal> yeah, that looks exactly like what is up, since the promotion/demotion of koffice...
[17:33] <darkwing-mobile> ScottK: andchat? ill check it out.
[17:33] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^
[17:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems sensible
[17:34]  * Quintasan goes back to coding
[17:35] <Riddell> nixternal: it is indeed
[17:35] <apachelogger> game of the day
[17:35] <apachelogger> go to planet.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <apachelogger> and search for "opportuni"
[17:35] <apachelogger> I get 28 hits
[17:35] <apachelogger> must be new record
[17:36] <apachelogger> KOpportunistic, doesn't look that bad, maybe we should rename
[17:36] <Quintasan> OpportunistiK
[17:36] <Quintasan> I fixed it for you :)
[17:37] <ScottK> Like most popular buzzwords I'm reasonably certain almost no one using it understands what it's supposed to mean.
[17:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh goodly :D
[17:37] <ScottK> I do opportunistic programming all the time, but it's not going to get entered into any contests because it's for $WORK.
[17:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is all about opportunity of not understanding it!
[17:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then they are doing well.
[17:37] <apachelogger> you see, you have the opportunity to understand it
[17:37] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:38]  * Quintasan might not understand
[17:38] <apachelogger> but that implies you also have the opportunity to not understand it
[17:38] <Quintasan> what it exacly means?
[17:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp opportunistic programming
[17:38] <kubotu> Results for opportunistic programming: 1. Code reuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_reuse | 2. Bill Curtis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Curtis | 3. President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief - Wikipedia, the free ...: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief
[17:38] <kubotu> [1] Code reuse, also called software reuse, is the use of existing software, or software knowledge, to build new software.
[17:39] <apachelogger> hm
[17:39] <ScottK> Quintasan: The idea is that opportunistic programmers ares doing normal application development like most people think of it.  It's small, one off, scripts or small apps to solve local needs.
[17:39] <nixternal> apachelogger: hahahaha, someone else did the same thing you did the other day...I think you won with 28 though
[17:39] <ScottK> Having such things be FOSS is almost irrelevant because it really is a local need.
[17:39] <apachelogger> yay
[17:39] <apachelogger> that is worht a blog post!
[17:40] <apachelogger> And apparently it was worth a typo too. Oh my!
[17:40] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh. I get it now, thanks for explaining :P
[17:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: If it's worth doing, it's worth doing wrong.
[17:42] <Quintasan> still, KRunner is sooo slow sometimes and hangs often
[17:42] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you going to be around tonight?
[17:42] <Quintasan> needs nore love
[17:42] <nixternal> darkwing-mobile: kind of. I have to head to ORD to pick up my dad tonight, so I will be gone for about an hour, unless we go for a beer afterwards
[17:45] <darkwing-mobile> okay. ill have my laptop again so i want to pick ur brain about a few things. where we sitting on timelines?
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kplato: desktop-entry-lacks-main-category /usr/share/applications/kde4/kplatowork.desktop
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kformula: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libkformulalib.so.6.0.0 usr/lib/libkformulalib.so
[17:45] <Riddell> W: kformula: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kformula.desktop kformula
[17:46] <Riddell> nixternal: do upstream even want us to package kformula?
[17:53] <verbalshadow> Riddell: nixternal told me the he has kformula in text docs but not as a stand alone app, and this is the reason for no desktop file
[17:56] <ScottK> Found the other USB stick, so back in business ...
[17:57] <Riddell> verbalshadow: the problem is that it does contain a .desktop file for the app
[17:59] <verbalshadow> Riddell: i'm i reading the warning text wrong W: kformula: desktop-command-not-in-package /usr/share/applications/kde4/kformula.desktop kformula
[18:16] <nixternal> Riddell: kformula kind of works, that's why it is there. We don't have to if we don't want to, and that is why I didn't install a desktop file, as it doesn't work when launching it on its own, but it does mostly work when embedding it into the other apps
[18:18] <Riddell> but it /does/ contain a .desktop file.  bug 527919
[18:18] <Riddell> nixternal: anyway, accepted
[18:20] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought I didn't install the .desktop file...now that it is in, I can fix it, or someone else can if they want to...there was someone in here that really wanted to do work on it, maybe it is a good time to get us some fresh blood :)
[18:27] <nixternal> dpm: ping? in regards to the templates for kubuntu-docs on LP. The old templates need to be removed if they haven't already before I upload the new kubuntu-docs package, as everything has changed
[18:28] <dpm> nixternal, I need to run, do you mind if we talk about it in detail tomorrow? If the templates have the same names, it's fine to upload them even if all strings are different. LP will take care of merging them.
[18:29] <dpm> and will take care of merging translations as well
[18:29] <nixternal> dpm: yeah, that is totally fine, thanks!
[18:29] <dpm> ok, thanks nixternal, and bye!
[18:31] <Quintasan> wtf
[18:32] <nixternal> did you break something?
[18:33] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[18:33] <Quintasan> dunno why
[18:36] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^ any idea?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> O_o
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> maybe try backing up debian/, deleting the unpacked source, and then extract a fresh copy from the tarball?
[18:36] <nixternal> are you using source format 3.0?
[18:36] <Quintasan> nixternal: nope
[18:37] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: just did that
[18:37] <nixternal> Quintasan: try going with that and see if that fixes it
[18:38] <nixternal> seems the binary that is being built hasn't changed from the previous, and source format < 3 doesn't do good with it
[18:38] <Quintasan> hnghm means repacking
[18:38] <nixternal> had this happen to me as well last year
[18:40] <Quintasan> hmm
[18:40] <Quintasan> nixternal: kinda worked
[18:40] <Quintasan> lets now test if dependencies are in lucid
[18:40] <ScottK> Can't install wifi drivers without network access because patch isn't installed.   Known issue?
[18:41] <nixternal> are the wifi drivers on the CD? if they aren't, what would the patch do?
[18:41] <ScottK> They are
[18:43] <nixternal> interesting...wonder if they need to grab something from the internet...what drivers are these? broadcom? doesn't the non-STA version of that driver grab the latest files online?
[18:43] <ScottK> It's broadcom
[18:43] <ScottK> patch is needed by dkms
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> this is /usr/bin/patch?
[18:45] <nixternal> ahhhhhh...i know what you are referring to now...i would think it is known
[18:46] <nixternal> wonder why patch is needed for dkms...thought it had its own system for doing things...never remember having to use patch
[18:46] <Riddell> I'm off out, probably alpha 3 will get released soon, if anyone is in a screenshot mood please add to the wiki page in topic
[18:47] <nixternal> off out, that roger
[18:48]  * nixternal notes, just borrow the screenshots from kde.org :D
[18:48] <Quintasan> hmgh
[18:48]  * Quintasan just made a mess
[18:48] <Quintasan> Bug #526002
[18:49] <Quintasan> fixing >_<
[18:49] <Quintasan> I really wonder where libjpeg7-dev went
[18:52] <ofirk> Hello. Does someone has a high res version of the kubuntu logo?
[18:53] <nixternal> ofirk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuArtwork
[18:54] <nixternal> there is an svg there of the old and new images
[18:54] <Quintasan> nixternal: but I really wonder if they will accept the switch to source format 3.0 as a fix for that :S
[18:54] <ofirk> Nice
[18:54] <ofirk> nixternal: thanks!
[18:56] <nixternal> oh, I doubt that Quintasan
[18:56] <nixternal> you never know though :D
[18:56] <Quintasan> :/
[18:56] <Quintasan> I messed up with dependency on libjpeg7-dev somehow and now it won't let me testrebuild
[19:00] <apachelogger> somehow I do not seem to get blogger to like me anymore
[19:00] <apachelogger> maybe I should move to wordpress.com or try to get a kde blog :/
[19:00] <Quintasan> hngh wtf is this >_<
[19:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2010/02/opportunistic-opportunity_25.html
[19:01] <apachelogger> go relax a bit
[19:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i finally built the library
[19:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you'd better give me solution to this, switch to source format 3.0 won't be accepted just by that, will it?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> thanks to c_korn in motu
[19:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for what?
[19:03] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[19:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[19:03] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Biergourmet (unplugged)" by Die Ärzte -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[19:03] <Quintasan> libjpeg7-dev disappeared from lucid and now kffmpegthumbnailer is sitting in queue all the time
[19:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you should fix your icecream :P
[19:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where did libjpeg7-dev go?
[19:05] <apachelogger> ah
[19:05] <apachelogger> !info libjpeg8 lucid
[19:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: beats me, according to changelog should be libjpeg8-dev in lucid but it is not there
[19:05] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg7/7-2
[19:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: builts fine with libjpeg62-dev
[19:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so it might not yet be published
[19:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger: anyways that error won't let me test build, disappears if I switch to source format 3.0 somewhat
[19:06] <Quintasan> brb going to get something to eat
[19:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what?
[19:06] <apachelogger> source format 3 can find libjpeg7?
[19:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: archive syncer ate libjpeg8
[19:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libjpeg7/7-2 suggests there was a transition, but there is no libjpeg8
[19:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hah... just beat you... 44 hits
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am wondering why ^^
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one sec
[19:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/lIU4aP.html
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no no no
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1810496
[19:10] <apachelogger> nixternal: could you please blog something opportunistic
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: when I switch to source format 3.0 this error doesn't appear
[19:10] <apachelogger> oh forgot something important
[19:10] <apachelogger> oh my
[19:10] <Quintasan> but when I use 1.0 it stops me from test building like this
[19:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol
[19:11] <apachelogger> now the post is perfect
[19:11] <apachelogger> muhaha
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am sure you were cheating
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: eh?
[19:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how?
[19:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am at 63 :P
[19:12] <shadeslayer> :o
[19:13] <shadeslayer> omg.. im getting 63 now
[19:13] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:13] <shadeslayer> your post just appeared :D
[19:13] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yeah i still win
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ;)
[19:13] <Quintasan> grrr
[19:13] <apachelogger> no, I got 63 earlier :P
[19:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you dont have proof :p
[19:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure I have, identi.ca :P
[19:15] <Quintasan> too much trolling for sabdfl
[19:15] <Quintasan> :P
[19:15]  * apachelogger has parts hidden
[19:15] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:15] <apachelogger> hm, i actually wonted to blog via blogilo, somehow I forgot about that -.-
[19:16] <apachelogger> wanted even
[19:16] <shadeslayer> well ive gtg right now... 2 AM in the morning... have to get up at 7.30 :D
[19:16] <apachelogger> omg
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good luck with that :P
[19:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and sleep tight
[19:16] <shadeslayer> hehe... i wont
[19:16] <shadeslayer> bye all :D
[19:27] <verbalshadow> nixternal: i'm willing to bang on koffice some but i will need guidance to fix the things you talked about
[19:56] <maco2> seele and i were just interviewed by pbs (US's version of bbc) about open source
[19:58] <maco2> what language is kickoff written in? i want to teach it to alphabetize search results. gwibber's got *three* .desktop's (client, settings, and accounts) and what order they show up in is non-deterministic and i have to stop and read closely because i cant just know "client is always second" and that is argh!
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> kickoff's C++
[19:58] <Quintasan> lol
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> it's in kdebase-workspace
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> plasma/generic/applets/kickoff, if memory serves
[19:59] <maco2> JontheEchidna: thanks. i might have to learn how C++ works then.  :(
[19:59] <maco2> but first, i have to try to fix pykde because i found a bug
[20:22] <binarylooks_> I was just doing a do-release-upgrade -d (was at 20% ) when my network cllapsed. when I try starting again I get a "no new release found". how can i resume the release upgrade?
[20:25] <ryanakca> shtylman_: The site redesign is being worked on by ofirk. Feel free to offer him help. As to when the site might go live, I'm not sure. I was hoping for shortly before release.
[20:25] <neversfelde> there is an overwrite error for bilbo and blogilo when upgrading to our 4.4 karmic packages http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383920/. Blogilo is already "Replaces: bilbo (<< 1.0)" isn't that enough?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: should be (<< 0:1.0)
[20:29] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: yes, just seen this
[20:29] <neversfelde> thank you
[20:35] <Mamarok> just had this in #kubuntu:
[20:35] <Mamarok> [21:31] <kubian> this doesn't seem right "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 10.04, the Karmic Koala!"
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:38] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: this is my most beautiful mistake http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/revision/68
[20:38] <Lex79> :D
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> :D
[20:57] <ScottK> jussi01: What was the web/IRC thing that got banned from freenode last year?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> mibbit?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^
[20:57] <ScottK> Maybe
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> mibbit is infamous for being abused
[20:58] <ScottK> Yeah.
[20:58] <ScottK> that's the one
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> once bug 528023 is taken care of, kdelibs can be demoted to universe
[21:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Nice blog post.
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> alpha3 released
[21:12]  * JontheEchidna patches up the wiki
[21:16]  * claydoh is in trouble, as he didn't mark the date for Alpha3, and as such has not even looked at release notes :(
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: gotcha covered, but unfortunately I didn't have time to get pics
[21:18] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I should be able t o grab some later tonight after I get home fro work
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> neat
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktoprq1942.jpg vs http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopvt1942.jpg
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> ryanakca: ^
[21:25] <Lex79> kdevelop will be released on May 1st :(
[21:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: except jono doesn't like it :(
[21:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Bug or feature?
[21:27] <apachelogger> maybe I should blog about how he made nixternal drop his lernid-kde code :P
[21:27] <ScottK> I'm reasonably certain he's in the doesn't understand what opportunistic means group.
[21:27] <ScottK> I didn't think it was nixternal
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> wasn't that rick spencer?
[21:27] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> still a richard, at any rate :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> someone had non-opportunistic code :P
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> Alpha3 announcement on kubuntu.org
[21:28]  * JontheEchidna heads home
[21:28]  * ScottK didn't know JontheEchidna ever left?
[21:29]  * apachelogger finds braveheart a rather weird movie
[21:36] <maco2> ScottK: lernid-kde was nixternal
[22:04] <ScottK> maco2: Thanks.
[22:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds like a good blog topic to me (lernid-kde), but I've got a bad attitude, so that may be totally wrong.
[22:05] <maco2> Riddell already talked to jono about it
[22:05] <apachelogger> yeah, not really a good idea to take that to the public of planets
[22:05] <neversfelde> :(
[22:05] <maco2> jono replied by tweeting that he's not against it per sé just that he doesnt like when two programs that serve the same purpose exist just so there can be a gnome & a kde version
[22:07] <ScottK> Then we should just have the KDE version...
[22:08] <ScottK> Does GTK/Gnome work on Windows?
[22:08] <claydoh> ScottK:  :) extra points on pointing that out
[22:10] <claydoh> jono could re-write it in Mono........
[22:10]  * claydoh hides and goes back to actually working at work
[22:15] <shtylman_> so I have a small annoyance...maybe someone can help me
[22:15] <shtylman_> lets say I have done something like: export my_path=~/bin/
[22:16] <shtylman_> later .. if i do: $my_path ... but bit tab to autocomplete it , bash puts a space after it
[22:16] <shtylman_> so I have to backspace and then go from there
[22:16] <shtylman_> anyone ever run into this?
[22:16] <shtylman_> or have a way of working around it?
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, I go to college now, then when classes are done for the day I take a 1 mile bus ride down to my dad's office
[22:22] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Have you cleared the cache for www.kubuntu.org ?
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> ah, haven't tried that
[22:23] <JontheEchidna> yup, fixed :)
[22:23] <ryanakca> JontheEchidna: Hurray :)
[22:23] <ryanakca> shtylman_: Have you?
[22:24] <shtylman_> ryanakca: much better :)
[22:24] <ryanakca> shtylman_: :)
[22:25] <shtylman_> Riddell: no screenshots on release notes page?
[22:25] <shtylman_> ;(
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> shtylman_: feel free to contribute, I haven't quite figured out the attachment system
[22:27] <shtylman_> indeed
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> anybody mind if I do some hacking on the koffice packaging? I found some stuff that needs addressed (other than the kformula .desktop thingy) while triaging bugs
[23:05] <maco2> is this right? svn.kde.org has address 195.135.221.74
[23:10] <neversfelde> maco2: yes
[23:11] <maco2> hrmph
[23:11] <maco2> is it down for you too?
[23:11] <maco2> because im getting timeouts trying to checkout kdebindings
[23:13] <neversfelde> maco2: yes, it is down, websvn.kde.org works
[23:13] <maco2> :(
[23:13] <maco2> websvn is just for viewing though right? cant checkout from it?
[23:19] <neversfelde> maco2: svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebindings
[23:19] <neversfelde> works for me
[23:19] <maco2> if you checkout from anonsvn can you commit to the not-anon one later? i dont quite know how this works
[23:20] <neversfelde> maco2: sorry, no idea
[23:20] <maco2> ok
[23:20] <maco2> well at worst i end up with a diff and apply it and push it
[23:20] <maco2> er, commit it
[23:20] <maco2> (distributed vcs pweeze???)
[23:22] <maco2> i dont understand this svn thing :( it says:  svn: No such revision 1096136 when i "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/KDE/kdebindings"
[23:33] <Riddell> maco2: works for me
[23:34] <maco2> svn hates me
[23:34] <maco2> i bet its upset that i didnt have it installed the first time i tried today
[23:34] <maco2> it feels unloved, so it unloves me in return
[23:37] <Riddell> maco2: you have an svn account, why use anonsvn?
[23:37] <maco2> Riddell: because the not-anon server is down
[23:37] <maco2> neversfelde said its timing out for him too
[23:37] <maco2> so its not just me
[23:38] <Riddell> maco2: maybe try one of the othe IP addresses for anonsvn.kde.org
[23:38] <Riddell> set it in your /etc/hosts
[23:39] <maco2> umm wait so i should use anon or not-anon? im confused now. do you know these IPs?
[23:41] <Riddell> there is only one svn.kde.org if it's down then that's that
[23:41] <Riddell> there's three anonsvn
[23:41] <maco2> ah
[23:41] <Riddell> as dig will tell you
[23:44] <maco2> oooh yay that appears to be working! you're smart!
[23:47] <Riddell> there's more to me than my good looks
[23:47] <Riddell> http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/KDevelop_4/4.0_Release_Schedule  KDevelop release on 1st of march, guess I should remove it from the lucid archive then
[23:48] <maco2> Riddell: already knew that ;)