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malevhi, can anyone mark this bug as trieagge?   bug 52744600:24
ubot4Launchpad bug 527446 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "View image of friends / page or group notifications (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52744600:24
nigelbhggdh: hello :)00:25
hggdhhi nigelb00:26
hggdhheh00:26
hggdhI did not have time to look at it, will do it now00:26
nigelbah00:26
* nigelb feels the defition of "free time" has changed for hggdh 00:27
nigelbespecially in the past 2 weeks00:27
* hggdh has no free time anymore...00:27
nigelblol00:27
bdmurrayAnzenketh: should bug 76982 be incomplete?00:28
ubot4Launchpad bug 76982 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't open g-p-m help" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7698200:28
nigelbhggdh: /me is leaving for home from work.00:32
nigelbbe back online in 1 hour00:33
bdmurrayI meant shouldn't and I'll fix it for you.00:33
kermiac_malev: bug 527446 - There is an easier way to convert a bug to a question. Just use the "convert to a question" link on the bug report (underneath "mark as duplicate") :)00:39
ubot4Launchpad bug 527446 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "View image of friends / page or group notifications (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52744600:39
malevkermiac_, I haven't see that. Thanks!!00:40
kermiac_np malev :)00:40
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malevkermiac, I don't know what is "np"00:40
kermiacno probs00:40
kermiac:)00:41
malev:)00:41
malevhey kermiac, what status do you suggest for tue bug we where talkig about?00:47
kermiacum.. which one? I've been looking at too many bugs to remember now00:48
malevhaha  bug 7698200:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 76982 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Can't open g-p-m help" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7698200:48
* kermiac is looking00:48
malev* malev y watching tv00:49
malev... doesn't work00:49
kermiachmmm... what do you think we should do with this one malev?00:49
malev... close it, but it doesn't look like there is that option...00:50
malevI don't know00:50
malevwhat do  you think?00:51
kermiacpersonally, I would leave it as Anzenketh is working on it00:51
kermiacHe has asked the person who changed the status back to "new" for more info00:51
malevnooo you are gonna kill me! that is not the bug I was talking about00:53
malevI'm really sorry00:53
kermiacnp mate, I wont "kill you", lol00:53
malevI meant this bug:   bugs 52744600:54
ubot4Launchpad bug 527446 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "View image of friends / page or group notifications (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52744600:54
malevthat is the beneffit of the chat :D00:54
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kermiacyeah, that is why people are encouraged to come into this channel to discuss thing's they aren't quite sure about ;)00:54
kermiacyou have already set that to invalid & converted it to a question.00:55
malevI know. and.. that's all?00:56
kermiacyes, once it is "invalid" it is closed00:56
kermiacsorry malev, I have to step out of the office 4 lunch now. I'll be back in 30 - 45 mins if you need anything else00:56
malevexcelent!! I love when this is easy!00:57
malevno problem00:57
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hggdhoops. Got distracted01:20
hggdhoh boy. Now I got it done, and Nigel is not in anymore01:28
nigelbhello01:54
hggdhnigelnb, see http://pastebin.com/HXa2iUJj01:55
hggdh:-)01:55
nigelbah, you've tinkered the regex01:56
hggdhnigelb: the attach_gconf() changed the way the gconf data is output, so I had to adjust the RE01:56
hggdhseems to be working now01:56
nigelbhow did you figure out how its output?01:56
hggdhI also reformatted one line (to show you a way of making the lines smaller), and added a comment in a def (also as an example)01:57
nigelbI noticed :)01:58
nigelbI'm doing something wrong01:59
nigelbhggdh: beautiful.  It works :)02:01
hggdhheh. So now I guess you can propose the debdiff, and Seb will accept it02:02
nigelbI have to request merge02:04
nigelbI'm not sure how to propose debdiff with a git snapshot02:04
hggdhoh, then you don't even need to worry about a debdiff02:05
nigelbhehe, yeah02:05
hggdhcool. Good work, Nigel.02:06
nigelbhggdh: Thank you.  Most of it is yours02:06
nigelbI just did very little ;)02:06
hggdhdon't undervalue your work02:15
nigelbhggdh: well, I know I couldn't have done it without you02:16
nigelbmost of my work was poking around, talking to seb, talking to devs, talking to pitti02:17
nigelblol, I should be HR02:17
hggdhthis is part of the work, anyway -- finding *how* to do it, *where* to do it, and getting help where needed02:18
hggdhbut, still, if you had not done it, it would not be ready now02:19
hggdh:-)02:19
nigelbthats there02:19
nigelbhggdh: but now I learned how to make a hook.  We should look for more apps that could use this02:21
nigelbI should probably ask seb if the desktop team wants more apps that need hooks02:21
hggdhoh yes!02:37
saivannHi everyone, there is 221 open bugs for Dapper, which is EOL since July 2009, is it time to clean up all these bugs?03:08
saivannhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs03:08
saivannbdmurray : Any thoughts on this?03:10
malevQuestion, what do I have to read / do to ask for change all the importance, assigned to and status settings?03:18
micahgsaivann: dapper isn't entirely EOL, there are still about 80 supported apps03:25
micahgmalev: that requires becoming a bug control member03:27
malevis it hard to get into this club?03:27
micahgmalev: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl03:28
malevyes, I've jus found it but... it's scary :D03:28
malevmicahg, the evaluation for getting in the bug control member is "hard" "difficult". I've been triaggin for 3 months now. Mostly in this month. (talking about experince)03:31
malevdo you suggest anything besides reading the wiki?03:31
saivannmicahg : thanks for your answer03:34
malevsaivann, I think it would be nice to close all those bugs!03:38
saivannmalev : As micahg said, there are about 80 apps still supported, therefore it would be wonderfully fun, but it's not yet time to do this :-)03:39
saivannmalev : BTW, it's not that hard to get into the Bug Control Team, you can follow the procedure in the wiki. You have to get familliar with bug triaging tasks and eventually, keep bugs that you triaged in order to show your favorites to Brian Murray, which will see the quality of your work and choose if you're accepted based on that.03:42
saivannmalev : But of course being member of the time is not necessary to help with bug triaging, it gives you access to additional features that can't be accessible to anyone.03:44
saivannMmh I wonder what will happen with all usplash bugs. Is usplash and xsplash development going to be dropped after lucid release?03:48
persiaUm, the review doesn't work like that.03:49
persiaAll current members of Bug Control are encouraged to review and comment on new applications.03:49
persiaOnce a sufficient number have made positive comments, and there aren't any unresolved questions or criticisms, the new applicant is approved.03:50
saivannpersia : Thanks for correcting me, that sounds far better03:50
persiaI think we need to clear up the documentation.  The number of folk who participate in reviews of new applicants is unfortunately small.03:51
saivannWell at least the team seems to be pretty big now, 332 active members is a great number. It was far from this number when I was first accepted years ago.03:54
malevoks saivann thanks very much! I'm gonna think about it03:58
saivannpersia : Are you aware of some tasks that are neglected and would need some work done? I was the main bug triager for usplash bug in the past, but my contribution reduced in the last year because of my work, and because the development dropped in usplash since Matthew Garrett (main usplash developer) departure. Now I might have some time this year to contribute in launchpad.03:59
saivannThe bug squad team todo list generally only mention things that needs to be done in documentation and things like that03:59
kermiac_sooo many dupes of bug 450569 today04:00
ubot4Launchpad bug 450569 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 8 other projects) "package openoffice.org-emailmerge 1:3.0.1-9ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: (affects: 480) (dups: 146)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45056904:00
persiasaivann: We would benefit hugely from meta-tasks (like documentation, cooridination, etc.).  If you just want to do the triaging, pick a package and dive in.04:01
persiaOr pick a a class of bugs.04:01
persiaOr grab new bugs.04:01
persiaThe main body of work hasn't changed, really.04:01
saivannpersia : Ok good! Is there some meetings between bug control team members to discuss about documentation and organisation aroung bug triaging? Like the bug squad team meeting for instance?04:03
persiaSame meeting.04:03
persiaSome people also attend the QA meetings, but that's a much wider scope (bugs, tools, testing, automation, etc.)04:04
saivannpersia : Thanks for the informations, I'll think about it!04:05
AnzenkethYay Just submitted my first bug.04:20
saivannAnzenketh : Congrats :D04:28
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micahgAnzenketh: bug 43943104:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 439431 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Firefox Browser Installer must be removed after it's installed (affects: 8) (dups: 3)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43943104:43
kermiac_hey Anzenketh - I don't use kubuntu, but seems like bug 527546 isn't a kubuntu-firefox-installer issue. But as I said, I don't use kubuntu so I'm not the one to tell you which package it should be filed against.... hopefully https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Bugs/FindRightPackage might help you04:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 527546 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) "package kubuntu-firefox-installer (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-3.5-branding 0:3.5.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52754604:43
kermiac_oops, I'll let micahg handle it ;)04:43
micahgI think it's a dupe :)04:43
AnzenkethI looked for one when I was submitting it. Becouse I would expect a dup on it.04:44
micahgI posted the bug # above04:44
AnzenkethI got the error when I was running apt-get install kdedesktop and it did not like the fact that there was a icon that already exists.04:45
AnzenkethI was installing this on a ubuntu system.04:45
micahgAnzenketh: maybe it's not a dupe then...04:45
AnzenkethYa not many pepole put 2 window managers on one system but some do.04:46
* micahg checks the lucid package04:46
* Anzenketh thinks he needs to alocate more memory to the vm.04:46
ddecatorwhat are you trying to do?04:46
AnzenkethInstall KDE on ubuntu04:47
AnzenkethSo I could switch when verifying bugs.04:47
ddecatorinstall kde-desktop04:47
AnzenkethDid that got a error on installation04:47
ddecatorwhat error?04:48
Anzenkethsee bug 43943104:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 439431 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Firefox Browser Installer must be removed after it's installed (affects: 8) (dups: 3)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43943104:48
micahgAnzenketh: that's the fixed bug04:48
Anzenkethoh wiat04:48
micahgAnzenketh: were you upgrading an old installation?04:48
AnzenkethNo this is a new freash installation04:49
Anzenkethddecator: See bug 52754604:49
ubot4Launchpad bug 527546 in kubuntu-firefox-installer (Ubuntu) "package kubuntu-firefox-installer (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop', which is also in package firefox-3.5-branding 0:3.5.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52754604:49
micahgAnzenketh: why did you have the old firefox installed?04:50
ddecatori never got that error...interesting04:51
Anzenketh???? I do should not04:51
micahgddecator: you run kubuntu04:51
ddecatorfirefox 3.5.7 is old on lucid04:51
ddecatormicahg, no, but i installed it on my system before04:51
micahgwell, apachelogger will see my comment in the morning and dupe if appropriate04:52
ddecatorAnzenketh, so you're running alpha 2, fully upgraded?04:53
AnzenkethI rand apt-get upgrade earlier today before I left for school.04:54
ddecatorapt-get dist-upgrade will probably find more, although idk that it'd make a difference with this bug04:54
micahgyou would have needed apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade firefox04:54
AnzenkethI may be on alpha 104:55
AnzenkethIt is a old ISO04:55
ddecatordist-upgrading will get everything up-to-date anyway04:55
AnzenkethOr older as in 1-2 days old anyways04:55
ddecatorshould be alpha 2 then, haha04:55
ddecatoryou can try running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' installing all of the upgrades then trying again04:56
AnzenkethYa I am going to see if I can recreate it04:56
AnzenkethMight fix the nadulus crash I am getting too.04:56
AnzenkethAll I can say is I am so glad this is living inside a vm04:57
Anzenkethddecator: are you running lucid 32 or 64 bit?04:57
ddecatorthat's why we don't encourage upgrading to the alpha, haha, and i'm on karmic but i always use 64-bit04:57
ddecatoralthough i'm going to upgrade my system over spring break...if i can wait that long04:58
AnzenkethLOL I only have it becouse I am testing lucid04:58
ddecatori'm worried about upgrading right when i need to write final papers though, so i'll probably wait...04:58
ddecatorAnzenketh, yah, many of us have live cds or vms of lucid for confirming bugs04:59
AnzenkethThat is the other reason. It is working in the newer LSD version Yep then don't worry about it04:59
ddecatoractually, i haven't upgraded my vm install in a few weeks, i should do that...05:01
AnzenkethYa Dist upgrade will give me a new version of firefox.05:01
ddecatortry that then05:01
nigelbthis is exactly why you should have alpha's in vms05:01
nigelb(I only have in a chroot ;) )05:02
ddecatornigelb, yes, but once it's stable enough true testing requires an upgrade ;)05:02
ddecatorbtw, any ideas what the "big announcement" is going to be tomorrow?05:03
persiaddecator: Be aware that there exist a class of bugs that only happens on real hardware.05:04
ddecatorpersia, that's why i upgrade, to test for those ;)05:04
AnzenkethThose are the real fun ones.05:04
persiaddecator: What potential "big announcement"?05:05
ddecatorpersia, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/ubuntu-to-make-big-announcement.html05:05
Anzenketh???? I see a problem with that for us under US Mp3 Patent Law.05:07
persiaOh.  I'm not convinced it's "big" :)05:07
* persia doesn't tend to care about themes except when they aren't consistent05:07
nigelb+1 to that persia05:07
ddecatormaybe not "big" bug it'll be interesting to hear what exactly they have to say05:07
ddecators/bug/but05:07
nigelbas long as no one touches my terminal font, I'm happy05:07
nigelbeven if some does, meh, I'll just change it back05:08
persiaI guess.  I don't tend to prefer announcements "from Ubuntu" that aren't obvious already from being part of Ubuntu, and when they are obvious, the announcements aren't exciting, so much as something that needs doing.05:08
ddecatortrue05:08
AnzenkethLOL nigelb I can tell you have been using linux for a while.05:08
persiaBut I'm perhaps curmudgeonly about this :)05:08
AnzenkethWell the music deal could be a good thing. Really good if that overcomes the patent law issue with mp3's05:09
nigelbAnzenketh: only a few months, but most of what I do is in terminal05:09
ddecatori just like the mystery of the unknown. i'm sure it'll be small, but i can hope it will be some awesome new feature they haven't told us about yet :p05:09
nigelbaaaand, we're offtopic here05:09
persiaIndeed.05:09
* Anzenketh gets back on topic to bug treaging.05:10
nigelbI have to apply for bug control, just remembered.05:11
ddecatori'm waiting for my app to get reviewed05:11
* micahg needs to sleep...night all05:12
nigelbnight micahg05:12
ddecatorcya micahg05:12
Anzenkethddecator:  on your lucid vm are you using virtualbox?05:14
ddecatorAnzenketh, virtualbox ose, yes05:14
Anzenkethis the addons working for you?05:14
Anzenkethguest addons.05:14
ddecatori haven't really tested them...i'm not sure what all it's supposed to add. is there a specific feature you're wondering about?05:15
AnzenkethBigger screen05:24
Anzenketh800x600 is too small05:24
persiaShouldn't be.05:24
persiaAnything that doesn't work at 800x600 is a bug.05:25
AnzenkethIf that is so then the login screen has a bug05:25
persia(mind you, 800x600 is *tight* and there are 3" screens with more pixels, but still ...)05:25
persiaAnzenketh: Is it too small horizonally or vertically?05:25
ddecatorAnzenketh, do you mean that it won't maximize to fill the whole screen?05:26
persia(there are some folk who think the minimum should be 1024x600, but I personally disagree)05:26
AnzenkethHorizonally05:26
persiaPlease file :)05:26
AnzenkethOk will do05:26
persiaThat aside, you should be able to get any of the virtualisation solutions to use the entirety of the pixels you have available otherwise.05:27
ddecatori can't get vm to not run in low graphics mode, but maybe this upgrade will make it work05:27
* Anzenketh fileing the fact that language is cut off in 800x60005:27
ddecatorthat sounds like that one bug that charlie was talking about earlier...05:28
AnzenkethProbibly is05:28
ddecatornah, not quite the same05:29
Anzenkethit says ge in 800x600 on the login screen.05:29
ddecatoryah, i get that in vm, it won't fill my whole screen05:29
ddecatorbut live cds i have no issue with05:29
persiaddecator: With 800x600 hardware?05:29
ddecatorpersia, 1280x80005:30
AnzenkethWell ya it is cut off becouse of the resolution is so small05:31
ddecatori've always just ignored little quirks like that in vm since live cds have always worked fine for me05:31
ddecatori always figured it was to do with the emulation05:31
Anzenkethnow you are going to make me go burn a ISO of lucid to test it.05:32
ddecatori didn't say you had to do that, haha, my alpha 2 .iso works fine for me05:32
AnzenkethWell if I am fileing a bug I will05:32
persiaddecator: Lots of them actually affect real people with real hardware.05:33
ddecatorpersia, very possible...i've always just thought it was vbox not being great at emulating graphics, but i've never looked into the issue05:34
persiaUnfortunately, the power supply in my 800x600 notebook no longer works, and I don't have anything else that size (although I have 852x480 and 1024x600 which means I can test with lots of extra effort if required).05:34
AnzenkethYa I don't think I have any hardware 800x60005:37
AnzenkethExcept maby my CRT UGH that means setting up duel monitors and setting up a primary monitor05:38
persiaOr just connecting the CRT once in a while for testing.05:38
persiaMy CRT finally lost all it's phosphor, but otherwise they are great test devices.05:39
ddecatori think our old desktop monitor at home was 800x600, but i won't be going back there for a few weeks05:39
ddecatorwell that's interesting...05:44
ddecatornvidia-185 driver is now version 195?05:44
AnzenkethI think that bug 526641 is ready to be marked as triaged except can not find duplicate if there is any.05:48
ubot4Launchpad bug 526641 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "dbus does not report any PowerManagment messages (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52664105:48
ddecatorwell, that broke my vbox install...05:52
AnzenkethLOL.05:53
AnzenkethIs there a tool to search for duplicates?05:53
ddecatorgoing to google, then typing "site:bugs.launchpad.net <search terms>"05:54
ddecatorthen sifting through the results05:54
AnzenkethYa searching by title is not working well.05:54
ddecatori'm still not sure if that bug is a dbus problem or a gnome power daemon problem...idk enough about dbus to be sure05:55
AnzenkethK I will send that one off to the mailing list.05:56
AnzenkethIs there a way to write the output of top to a file?05:56
nigelbif searching by title doesnt work well, I suggest searching through all the open bugs in the package05:56
AnzenkethHUM???? goes looking05:56
Anzenkethwould you consider bug 527537 a bug?06:00
ubot4Launchpad bug 527537 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox is using 60% of CPU (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52753706:00
ddecatori can't find the file that has my power settings...06:04
ddecatorinteresting...06:05
ddecatorAnzenketh, bug 13554806:05
ubot4Launchpad bug 135548 in gnome-power-manager (Baltix) (and 5 other projects) "Action on critical battery isn't triggered (affects: 18) (dups: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13554806:06
ddecatornigelb, didn't you adopt rhythmbox?06:09
nigelbddecator: yep, why?06:09
ddecatoryou would be the best one to answer Anzenketh 's question about the rhythmbox bug ;)06:10
nigelbI think I already replied to the bug report06:10
ddecatorthat you did...4 min ago even06:10
nigelbas soon as thunderbird pops something and repliable quick, I do it fast06:11
ddecatorhaha, very nice. i need to get to that point with firefox. hopefully i'll be able to learn a lot of what i need to know this weekend06:12
ddecatorAnzenketh, did you see the bug i pointed out?06:12
AnzenkethYa what about it?06:14
ddecatorlooks familiar, doesn't it?06:14
AnzenkethIt has some simular querks to some that I have seen.06:15
ddecatorat least the behavior does06:15
AnzenkethYa Looking at the two bugs06:16
ddecatorthat doesn't necessarily mean they're the same, especially since the one i found has a fix released, but something to investigate before we mark the other one triaged06:16
AnzenkethNa they are diffrent versions 2.28.1 is newer bug 2.22.1 is confirmed and fixed bug.06:18
ddecatorif 2.22.1 was the fixed version in karmic, then it may be a regression06:19
Anzenketh2.28.1 is the version I am running.06:20
ddecatorbug 481576 branched off of the other report because someone reported the regression06:20
ubot4Launchpad bug 481576 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Action on critical battery is not triggered - gnome-power-manager (affects: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48157606:20
ddecatorthat's 2.28.1 ;)06:21
ddecatorand it's still active at that06:21
ddecator(btw, the first bug i posted only showed the first 80 comments by default, in order to see the latest ones you had to click the link at the bottom of the page)06:22
ddecatorif nothing else, you could ask the person in your report to try the gconf edit that's suggested as a workaround and see if it works for them, which would support that it's a dupe06:24
Anzenketh Don't think it is the same due to this lin on-low-battery:  no06:24
Anzenkethon the bug I am working on.06:24
ddecatorcould be, but worth looking into06:24
ddecatoryou could always ask them to check gconf to make sure that the settings are what they're supposed to be06:30
Damascenehello,06:30
ddecatorhey Damascene06:31
DamasceneI've seen that some one added the iso-testing tag to some bug report. what does it mean?06:31
ddecatorwhich report?06:31
AnzenkethProbibly has to do with the QA team doing ISO testing.06:31
persiaDamascene: It usually means that the bug was discovered during ISO testing.06:32
ddecatori think it means that it was found while using an .iso for an upcoming release...06:32
DamasceneBug #51800706:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 518007 in linux (Fedora) (and 1 other project) "Asus Eee Function Keys (Hotkeys) are not working with Lucid 10.04 (affects: 3)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51800706:32
Damascenewhat confused me is the "iso" part06:32
ddecator.iso is just the file burned to the live cd which was used for the testing :)06:32
Damasceneok06:34
AnzenkethTime to go off and close my bug06:34
DamasceneI think it's better if it was lucid-testing06:35
persiaDamascene: Why?  The important part is to indicate that it might be an issue with the live environment that may not affect the installed environment, which eases replication.06:35
persiaUsing the same tag for every release is easier than switching all the time.06:36
Damascenepersia, no it's not for the live one06:36
persiaAnd we get the release anyway from the apport information (or we should)06:36
DamasceneI'm the one who reported that and I'm updating every date or so06:36
persiaThen I'm not convinced it deserves the iso-testing tag, or else I don't understand the iso-testing tag (either is equally likely)06:36
Damasceneit's solid install06:36
persiaOh, someone else added the iso-testing tag to your bug that wasn't discovered in iso-testing?06:37
persiaThat doesn't seem right.06:37
ddecatoryah, i'm pretty sure the iso-testing tag is used by the testing team for bugs in live environments...06:37
ddecatorthe qa website added it?06:37
persiaAha!  I understand.06:37
Damasceneyeah06:37
kermiac_doesn't iso-testing tag mean it is being tracked on the qa tracker?06:38
Damascenemaybe the mean that also effects the live06:38
persiaSo, someone added that bug to a test report on the ISO tracker indicating that it affected one of the tested ISOs.06:38
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persiaIt should be there, and I didn't understand the tag previously.06:38
ddecatori guess it does06:38
ddecatoris there a tag for bugs that occur during live sessions then?06:39
kermiacddecator: not that i know of06:39
AnzenkethYay bigger screen on my vm06:39
kermiacnothing listed for live sessions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags06:40
ddecatorhuh06:40
AnzenkethIs that not what ISO-testing is for.06:42
Anzenkethhttp://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ is where the iso testing tag takes you06:42
AnzenkethWell the link on the side.06:43
AnzenkethYay 37 bugs looked at and I only joined 2 days ago.06:45
ddecatornow to really dig into the deep bugs and find their roots ;)06:53
ddecatoralright, i have to get up early tomorrow so i'm off to bed. cya06:56
Anzenkethcya06:56
nigelbcya ddecator :)06:56
Anzenkethbug 527574 is a string fix looks like it has all the nessesary information.06:56
ubot4Launchpad bug 527574 in gbrainy (Ubuntu) ""The letters around the squares follow a logic" is awkward (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52757406:56
AnzenkethCan somone mark it as triaged.06:56
vishAnzenketh: could you attach a screenshot?  otherwise one has to play the game to get to the string ;)07:02
AnzenkethGood point07:02
AnzenkethWill ask too.07:02
vishAnzenketh: you can do it too , [help the reporter]... ;)07:03
* nigelb wonders if vish works or goes to college. He seems to be here all the time ;)07:03
Anzenketh:P ok I will play the game07:03
vishnigelb: too old for college ;p  lunch time07:03
AnzenkethGives me something to do07:03
nigelbvish: ah ;)07:04
AnzenkethLooks like a multiverse package.07:05
vishAnzenketh: another thing is , it needs to be sent upstream , it seems like an upstream bug07:10
AnzenkethOk cool. Time to find the person upstream.07:11
AnzenkethEhh It is something I can even submit a patch for if I can remember how to search multiple files for a string07:25
nigelbAnzenketh: grep -R "The letters around the squares follow a logic" *07:26
nigelbuse that in the folder of the source07:26
AnzenkethThere I triaged a bug and submitted a fix07:59
mvoAnzenketh: what is the bugnumer?08:02
Anzenkethbug 52757408:02
ubot4Launchpad bug 527574 in gbrainy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""The letters around the squares follow a logic" is awkward (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52757408:02
mvoAnzenketh: nice!08:09
AnzenkethI figured with my basic knowlage of programing I should be able to take care of that.08:09
AnzenkethWell it is bedtime for me later08:10
arandWould anyone here be able to confirm if Bug #510571 exists in the current lucid version of virtualbox-ose (or pre-jaunty)? Also, could I get a low, possibly medium on the vbox-ose task?08:36
ubot4Launchpad bug 510571 in virtualbox-ose (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Lucid guest won't boot with acpi in virtualbox (affects: 11)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51057108:36
qensechrisccoulson: :P We both marked a bug as a duplicate on roughly the same time.11:37
qensechrisccoulson: Though, please don't mark duplicates as Invalid to make it easier to deduplicate them if they turn out to be a bug on their own after all.11:38
persiaAnd also to inform submitters where to look for status.11:47
chrisccoulsonqense - sometimes i don't have time to go searching for duplicates though ;)11:59
chrisccoulsonand when a bug gets lots of duplicates, adding more creates lots of annoying bug spam#11:59
qensestil I would mark the bug as duplicates12:00
qenseDo you know of the 'likely-dup' tag?12:00
qenseand the 'metabug' tag?12:00
chrisccoulsonyes12:00
chrisccoulsonyes to both12:00
kamusin:)12:00
qensegood! :)12:01
persiachrisccoulson: If you are low on time and need help, please ask here.  We'd rather help you look than have to clean up after you.12:01
vishpersia: the desktop team members do it like that :)   if it is an old dup the  awesome bar is not able to find ;)12:22
persiavish: I know.  I complain about it every time I'm reminded.  I'd much rather they just said here "Please find a dup for nnnnnn" or added a "needs-dup" tag and we'd go hunt it.12:24
persiaMarking them invalid annoys users and defeats the point of having a bugtracker.12:24
vishyeah..12:25
vishpersia: hehe , there was one bug, where it was marked dup correctly but as invalid[probably due to the script] , the OP replied , "OK , but why is it invalid ?" ;)12:27
persiaThat often happens.  I've also seen ranty blog posts, articles in the press, etc.12:27
persiaI think it's very bad from a support perspective (although it's a lot more efficient for the developers).12:28
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malevno body works on bugs in the morning?? BTW I'm in Argentina :D14:46
chrisccoulsonmalev: people are working ;)14:55
chrisccoulsonthey're too busy to talk in IRC though ;)14:55
malevchrisccoulson: touche14:55
ddecatoranyone know if pedro is ok?15:30
nigelbddecator: on vacation15:31
ddecatornigelb, ah, no wonder he hasn't emailed me back...alright, as long as he's ok15:31
ddecatorthanks =)15:31
thekorndoes this count as being ok? ;)15:31
nigelbhehe15:31
thekornnigelb, I was semi wrong about your hook, and the import error I smelled15:32
nigelbthekorn: oh no15:32
nigelbthekorn: I corrected it to your suggestion15:33
nekohayouh... "ubuntu-bug pulseaudio" makes X crash in lucid. how am I supposed to report bugs now? :)15:33
nigelbubuntu-bug audio15:33
nekohayoeh?15:33
nigelbyep15:33
nekohayoit crashes X because I passed the wrong package name?15:33
nigelbdonno15:34
thekornnigelb, it works either way, your former solution only worked about a (let's say) bug in apport15:34
thekornnigelb, but it won't work if there are no common hooks which are run for each package installed15:34
thekornso my proposed solution is safe (tm) for all time15:34
nigelbthekorn: so it was worth correcting?15:34
thekornyes, I think so15:35
nekohayonigelb, lol, ubuntu-bug audio, after choosing the last option, tells me to do exactly what I did, ubuntu-bug pulseaudio. Nevermind the X crash, seems it was just random15:35
thekornit makes things more clear and readable15:35
nigelbthekorn: otherwise I would have kicked myself for uncomitting, deleting the old branch, correcting and pushing again15:35
thekornnononono, don't do this15:36
nigelbnekohayo: nevermind, but new apport hook for audio is ubuntu-bug audio15:36
nigelbthekorn: huh? why not?15:36
thekornnigelb, in the futire you don't need to uncommit changes,15:38
thekornjust correct what you did, and commit again15:38
nigelbthekorn: I dont?15:38
nigelbI wanted to keep the commits in line with the changelog entries15:39
thekornah, when this branch is merged, all you commits are bundled into one revision,15:39
thekornso it appears (at the end) as one big change15:40
thekornyou don't have to worry about this15:40
nigelboh,15:40
nigelbI should relax more then15:40
thekornyou aren't relaxed?15:41
* thekorn hugs nigelb 15:41
thekornit's all fine15:41
thekorn;)15:41
nigelbthekorn: I'm patching an app in main, part of desktop team.. I'm a little tensed ;)15:41
thekornnigelb, no need to, for two reason: 1.) the one who does the merge will review your changes too, 2.) it is not a last minute change15:45
thekorn:)15:45
nigelbthekorn: still..me wishes a few years down the lines I could join you guys, so it would be nice to write a perfect patch the first time15:46
chrisccoulsonnigelb - which app are you working on?15:57
nigelbchrisccoulson: rhythmbox15:57
chrisccoulsonah ;)15:57
chrisccoulsoni don't know that much about rhythmbox15:57
chrisccoulsonwhat's the change for?15:57
nigelbcharlie-tca: adding an apport hook :)15:57
nigelberr.. tab fail15:58
chrisccoulsonlol15:58
chrisccoulsonah, adding an apport hook is useful15:58
nigelbchrisccoulson: yeah, I adopted the package in bug squad, so  figured, I'd get some bonus points15:58
nigelb;)15:59
bcurtiswxnigelb: you just taught me that tab autocompletes names... thx :D15:59
chrisccoulsoni hardly ever use tab completion, because i always get it wrong16:00
chrisccoulsonand then once i've fixed it, i could have already just manually typed the name16:00
bcurtiswxi love terminal autocompletion.. so hopefully I can be just as in love with auto completion in IRC16:01
ddecatorbcurtiswx, it's amazing16:02
bcurtiswxddecator: yes it is16:02
thekornnigelb, when I started using bzr this page was a good read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr16:06
nigelbthekorn: I've worked with bzr for uclp, know it pretty much inside out, but do we have a page describing workflow for projects in bzr?16:07
thekornnigelb, sorry what do you mean, something ubuntu specific?16:08
nigelbthekorn:  yeah16:08
thekornhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation16:08
bcurtiswxanyone know if docky is in the official lucid repositories?16:09
micahgbcurtiswx: looks like it16:09
ddecatorbcurtiswx, idk but i hope it is16:09
jcastrobcurtiswx: 2.0 got in right before the featurefreeze iirc16:09
bcurtiswxjcastro: whats the package name then.. i can't find it in packges.ubuntu.com16:10
micahgstill in NEW16:10
thekornisn't docky a mode of gnome-do or am I mixing something?16:11
chrisccoulsonnigelb - seeing as you're looking at rhythmbox, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr has a summary of bzr for the desktop team workfolow16:11
bcurtiswxthekorn: docky is now separate from gnome-do16:11
nigelbchrisccoulson: thanks, thats what I wanted :)16:11
bcurtiswxmicahg: the package name is just "docky" right?16:12
micahgbcurtiswx: yes16:12
bcurtiswxmicahg: yeah.. i can't see it anywhere16:12
micahgbcurtiswx: like I said it's in NEW16:12
bcurtiswxmicahg: ok so for my dumb question of the hour... NEW means its not in "yet" ?16:13
micahgbcurtiswx: yes16:13
hggdhnigelb: heh. I will give you a +1 based on what you have done during the mentorship16:13
nigelbhggdh: well, all my bug squad work was done under your mentorship :)16:13
bcurtiswxhggdh: show off :P16:13
hggdhnut -- when a request to join -control is submitted, you *should* be careful on what you submit16:14
nigelbbcurtiswx: NEW means poke one of the archive admins16:14
hggdh/nut/but/16:14
nigelbhggdh: what did I do?16:14
hggdhfor example (this will be also stated in my response) there is more than just coredump on what has private data16:15
nigelblol, I did wonder why you were calling me a 'nut' :P16:15
hggdh:-)16:15
bcurtiswx-control becomes evil evil people who rip apart unsuspecting -squad members16:15
nigelbhey no fair! I understand the stuff16:15
nigelb(at least enough to write a hook :p)16:15
hggdh*I* know16:15
hggdhbut the others that will be reviewing the request do not16:15
ddecatorhaha, they're critical in order to ensure we're fully prepared16:15
nigelbyou guys are so tough :p16:16
bcurtiswxnigelb: just reply to your own post adding the extra stuff ;-)16:16
hggdhddecator: yes... and yours is next in line >-]16:16
bcurtiswxhggdh: dont' forget the "mwa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa"16:16
ddecatorhggdh, i've been waiting for my response with advice ;)16:16
ddecatorsince pedro is on vacation, your review will act as my temporary mentorship =p16:17
bcurtiswxseb128: think you could push docky out of NEW ? O:-)16:17
seb128bcurtiswx, not now, on the phone16:17
hggdhbcurtiswx: yes indeed... ddecator, please consider the evil laughing as implicit above16:18
ddecatorhggdh, already implied16:18
nigelbbcurtiswx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Archive%20days ping the appropriate person16:18
bcurtiswxseb128: I did not know there were people for specific days.  Apologies16:19
bcurtiswxnigelb: gracias16:19
seb128np16:19
nigelbbcurtiswx: just kept my eyes open.  persia showed someone this link today :)16:20
ddecatoralright folks, time to go to class, i'll be on tonight. cya16:20
Anzenkethbug 527675  should be won't fix?18:23
ubot4Launchpad bug 527675 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "Screensaver during CD installation (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52767518:23
thekornmicahg, hi, just out of iterest, what is the status of the needspackaging bug for pyxpcom?19:22
* thekorn tries to find the bug number19:23
micahgthekorn: same...someone needs to do it..it's on my list..will shoot for beta 119:23
om26erthekorn, bug 48040719:23
ubot4Launchpad bug 480407 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] pyxpcom (affects: 5) (dups: 2)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48040719:23
thekornmicahg, great!19:24
thekornthanks om26er19:24
AnzenkethI am not yet part of BugControl. If I find a bug is ready to be marked as triaged and I think it is a valid bug however multiple pepole have not confirmed it. What status should I set the bug too. Or what is the correct process to get it triaged.19:31
thekornAnzenketh, I think it depends on the bugreport, its affected package, can you please give me the bug id?19:34
thekornso I can have a look, and check what we can do19:34
AnzenkethIt was more of a general question.19:34
AnzenkethWould it be a nice idea to add a standard tag ready to be triaged/reviewed for us  bugsqad only pepole?19:35
hggdhbdmurray: how would you like to deal with the renewal requests?19:35
thekornAnzenketh, ok, let me give you a generla answer then: it depends ;)19:35
AnzenkethGood answer.19:35
hggdh:-)19:35
hggdhthekorn's answers are always good :-)19:36
bdmurrayhggdh: what do you mean?19:36
thekornAnzenketh, I personally think the right process would be: talk to relevant people, ask here, ask the relevant developer and if you still think it is triaged, mark it as triaged19:36
thekornthanks hggdh ;)19:36
hggdhbdmurray: saw your response on the ML... I can deal with the requests thru the ML if you want19:36
hggdhso you would deal with the direct contacts19:37
thekornAnzenketh, as my opinion is: to mark a bug as triaged it does not nessecaryly be confirmed19:37
bdmurrayOkay, I've some scripts for dealing with them ;-)19:37
hggdhheh19:37
thekornnecessarily19:37
bdmurrayhggdh: also its possible to look up a launchpad user using their e-mail address19:38
hggdhbdmurray: yes, I found it (but most of the times the LP id has been at the bottom)19:39
AnzenkethJust wish the beginers fear would go away.19:41
AnzenkethI did this bug wrong. Bug 527193 can somone help me do it right.19:44
ubot4Launchpad bug 527193 in xorg (Ubuntu) "there is wrong character in default kazakh layout (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52719319:44
thekornoh, you are the second one talking about beginner fears here today19:44
thekornthere is not need to fear, as long as you ask questions, when you have one19:44
thekornit is really hard to do things wrong19:45
AnzenkethI don't think anything besides making a fool out of myself is unfixable anyways19:45
thekornAnzenketh, I'm looking at your bug right now, what do you think, what did you wrong about this bug?19:48
thekornI actually don't get what this report is about ;)19:48
AnzenkethIt is a translation bug.19:48
AnzenkethI think I did it right now.19:49
thekornAnzenketh, as I undersntad this bug, it is not about translations but about the quatations marks in general,19:50
thekornin this case you should change the ubuntu package from xorg to xkb-data19:50
thekornso the workaround mentioned in the description could be applied directly19:51
thekornoh, and the sourcepackage would be xkeyboard-config19:53
AnzenkethI think I am going to leave it how it is20:00
AnzenkethNow20:00
thekornAnzenketh, look ok, but one thing I don't get, how did you choose the tags you've added?20:09
AnzenkethI only added stringfix20:10
thekornAnzenketh, oh sorry, I misread the activity log20:11
thekornbut I still think bitesize might be the only tag which makes real sense20:12
AnzenkethI choose stringfix due to I thought it was a gramatical change20:13
thekornok20:15
thekornAnzenketh, if you want to follow the process on this bug you should subscribe to this bugreport, so you get mails about every changes20:15
thekorne.g. if the reporter responds or a translation expert points in the correct direction20:16
AnzenkethDone.20:16
thekornAnzenketh, great work!20:16
thekornAnzenketh, next one ;)20:17
AnzenkethI got 50 bugs I have touched. Sence 3 days ago. I am starting to be consirned that I am going too fast.20:17
AnzenkethAnd not doing things correctly.20:18
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thekornok, than slow down a bit, quality is always better than quantity. and always rember: triaging bugs must allways be fun ;)20:21
AnzenkethIt is fun. Just wish I had a mentor that could double check my work.20:21
AnzenkethGive me points20:21
thekornAnzenketh, ok, let's have a look at some of your bugs, if you like20:28
AnzenkethShure I can do one or two real quick20:29
AnzenkethI am lost on bug 37450520:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 374505 in samba (Ubuntu) "Places/Network (samba) (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37450520:29
thekornAnzenketh, bug 525385 you could ask the reporter to run   ubuntu-bug20:29
ubot4Launchpad bug 525385 in linux (Ubuntu) "unable to mount usb drives (affects: 1)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52538520:29
thekornhe will get some questions regarding starage devices20:30
AnzenkethWould apt-port collect do the same thing20:30
AnzenkethI have never seen it fully work.20:30
malevcon some one set the importance to low for this bug 52004520:32
ubot4Launchpad bug 520045 in gwibber (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu theme doesn't use GTK theme background color (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52004520:32
malevplease20:32
vishmalev: that bug would be wont fix... the theme was designed to use its own color20:33
thekornAnzenketh, no, just ask the reporter to run ubuntu-bug, which creates a new one, then mark the old one as duplicate20:33
malevvish: the gwibber's theme?20:33
AnzenkethAhh ok.20:34
thekornAnzenketh, what is your question about bug 37450520:34
thekorn?20:34
ubot4Launchpad bug 374505 in samba (Ubuntu) "Places/Network (samba) (affects: 1)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37450520:34
thekornAnzenketh, I think it looks ok, nothing you can do for now20:34
bdmurrayhggdh: so I updated the bugsquad membership script in ubuntu-qa-tools and pushed it just now20:35
bdmurrayhggdh: it'll add or extend depending on where the person is at20:35
hggdhoh, cool20:35
AnzenkethAhh nevermind. The one I had a question with is already taken care of. I20:35
AnzenkethWell must be off to school now later.20:35
* hggdh goes to bzr pull20:35
vishmalev: hmm , gwwibber wont start :/  the bg color is not the problem , from what i recall , the problem is the text color20:36
malevvish:  never the less, I agree with the R, this is a bug, and in someway, it need's to be repair20:36
thekornAnzenketh, ok, thanks for your work!20:36
malevvish:  there are is a problem between the gwibber's theme and the ubuntu's theme. am I worng?20:36
hggdhbdmurray: ok, and you renamed it to bugsquad-membership. Nice, thank you20:37
vishmalev: are you on Lucid? i think the bug was fixed.. i had mentioned this to the devs earlier20:37
malevvish: I'm not in lucid. whare can I ask about this?20:37
* vish damn gwibber is not launching today :/20:38
malevvish, how do you do that?20:38
malev vish damn gwibber is not launching today :/20:38
vishmalev:    /me <the text you want to type>20:39
* malev figthing against gwibber bugs20:39
malevawesome!20:39
vish;)20:40
malevjaja /me is like twitter but for IRC20:40
malevvish: what is the chatroom of the people who are using lucid?20:41
vishmalev: #ubuntu+120:42
malevvish: going there to ask about the problem20:42
vishmalev: yeah , fixed in lucid ,20:50
malevvish, how did you find out?20:55
vishmalev: i'm on lucid ;)20:55
* vish had to restart session20:55
malevvish: very funny!20:56
BUGabundoboas noutes22:21
kklimondahow many new bugs do we get reported every month?22:36
BUGabundoLOL22:38
micahgkklimonda: depends, average I think is 10k22:39
tuxmasterThe better question is how many do we triage every month.22:42
kklimondamicahg: thanks22:43
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micahgtuxmaster: probably 990022:54
tuxmasterWe are close just need some more help22:54
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malevhggdh, hey! how are you?. Question: your talk on Sat is for begginers in the triaqging world?22:58
hggdhmalev: yes. Not really as much talk as questions and answers23:11
malevhggdh, oks! I'm gonna try to be there. would it be nice to publish about it in the list? do you think?23:12
hggdhmalev: which list?23:13
malevbugsquad list23:13
* anzenketh goes scrounging around to see what time.23:13
hggdhhum23:14
hggdhI do not think we need it there (but, of course, one is free to publish it ;-)23:14
malevoks23:15
malevhggdh, I'm goint to send an email to the ubuntu-ar list iviting the people to the talk23:26
hggdhcool23:27

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