| chrisccoulson | DanEngholm, cool! | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| DanEngholm | I've been trying to figure this out for hours and hours. Only when told Robert about Subversion did I think, "Gee, I should have just removed all of the .svn directories. Maybe that would have fixed it." But it's nice to know exactly what was going on. | 00:04 |
| DanEngholm | I'm adding a new comment to the bug. Thanks again, Chris and Robert. | 00:04 |
| huats | didrocks, Bug #522656 | 00:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522656 in deskbar-applet "Update to 2.29.91" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522656 | 00:19 |
| huats | Once you have time... | 00:19 |
| huats | robert_ancell, hey | 00:20 |
| huats | How are you ? | 00:20 |
| === korn_ is now known as c_korn | ||
| huats | What is the current workflow for a sponsoring ? do I need to subscribe a team on the bug even if a branch is attached ? If yes, I have to admit that I don't know which team to subscribe... | 00:27 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, any idea ? | 00:28 |
| chrisccoulson | huats - yeah, you should still subscribe sponsors for now | 00:29 |
| chrisccoulson | i think we're still using ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors at the moment | 00:29 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, ok I wasn't sure | 00:29 |
| huats | thanks then ! | 00:29 |
| robert_ancell | huats, hey | 00:30 |
| huats | robert_ancell, chrisccoulson was faster :) | 00:30 |
| chrisccoulson | huats - you might want to take a look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-February/030194.html | 00:30 |
| huats | Oh this is a mail that I need to read :) | 00:30 |
| huats | (it is marked as such in my mailbox) | 00:31 |
| huats | thanks chrisccoulson | 00:31 |
| huats | I need to go to bed before my baby needs to be changed so that I can get some sleep :) | 00:31 |
| huats | sorry to rush you guys :) | 00:31 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:01 |
| thekorn | good morning didrocks | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey thekorn | 08:03 |
| nigelb | hey, I've requested a merge for rhythmbox in bzr (added apport hook), can one of you guys remind seb when he comes on or look into it yourself | 08:04 |
| didrocks | nigelb: ping him tomorrow, today it's frozen due to alpha3 | 08:04 |
| nigelb | didrocks: ah, will do. thanks :) | 08:05 |
| thekorn | nigelb, have you tested this hook? | 08:09 |
| nigelb | yes | 08:09 |
| nigelb | thekorn: feel free to test it though. I've run as much thorough tests as I can. Plus hggdh has also tested it. | 08:10 |
| didrocks | guten tag pitti | 08:10 |
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| pitti | Bonjour mes amis | 08:10 |
| thekorn | nigelb, for me it looks like it will fail with a NameError if the user choose the first option | 08:10 |
| pitti | bryceh: nouveau-kernel-source> sounds redundant indeed, and it'll be obsolete soon | 08:11 |
| thekorn | nigelb, because attach_gconf is not defined | 08:11 |
| nigelb | thekorn: attach_gconf is a function in apport.hookutils | 08:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: you seem to have squeezed this: | 08:12 |
| didrocks | 18:33:08 didrocks | pitti: do I had the bg wallpaper extra work as a WI somewhere? (the one with "ubiquity doesn't use gnome-destkop in install mode, so no cache and we are screwed" and the second "netbook-launcher doesn't use gnome-desktop to draw the bg") | 08:12 |
| didrocks | 18:33:27 didrocks | not sure about 1/ apart again from the hakish way | 08:12 |
| pitti | didrocks: "squeezed"? I added it to the BP yesterday, to not forget | 08:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: I didn't follow the entire discussion; so there's no way to create the cache in ubiquity-only mode? | 08:13 |
| thekorn | nigelb, exactly. this is why you need to either change this line to apport.hookutils.attach_gconf(....) or do a from apport.hookutils import * | 08:13 |
| thekorn | somewhere | 08:13 |
| pitti | bryceh: no reverse dependencies, so I can remove it easily; just say the word | 08:13 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh ok, as you didn't anwser yesterday and then, you said "good bye", I thought, the hl was lost :) | 08:13 |
| nigelb | thekorn: there is an "import apport.hookutils" line | 08:14 |
| * pitti -> back in 15, breakfast | 08:14 | |
| nigelb | thekorn: (thats how other hooks were formatted too!) | 08:14 |
| thekorn | nigelb, no, I don't believe you ;) show me an example :) | 08:15 |
| nigelb | thekorn: gimme a momment | 08:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: there are two things: We can change ubiquity to call libgnome-desktop (if we have some python binding for that) and there is n-l as well to change | 08:15 |
| nigelb | thekorn: running lucid? | 08:15 |
| thekorn | nigelb, sure | 08:15 |
| nigelb | thekorn: go to /usr/share/apport/package-hooks | 08:16 |
| nigelb | thekorn: and see the file source_totem.py | 08:16 |
| thekorn | nigelb, that's a bad example, no attach_gconf in it, please have a look at source_gnome-panel.py or source_gnome-power-manager.py for two possible ways doing import in python | 08:19 |
| nigelb | thekorn: but wait a minute, how did it work? | 08:20 |
| thekorn | nigelb, don't know, how did you test it? | 08:21 |
| nigelb | I copied the file to the /usr/share/apport/package-hooks directory and called ubuntu-bug rhythmbox | 08:22 |
| nigelb | thekorn: so now I have to do the whole thing against with an import * ? | 08:25 |
| thekorn | nigelb, the easiest way is to use apport.hookutils.attach_gconf(....) | 08:25 |
| nigelb | thekorn: will there be changes today? (can I do it 2morrow)? | 08:26 |
| thekorn | don't kow | 08:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: why n-l? | 08:30 |
| pitti | didrocks: so we can't just create it in the ubiquity-casper hook then? | 08:30 |
| didrocks | pitti: the hooks are run as root | 08:30 |
| pitti | right | 08:31 |
| didrocks | so, we have to use the same trick that I proposed in postinst I'm afraid (to get X, etc.) | 08:31 |
| pitti | didrocks: but we are in a much more controlled environment than during dist-upgrade on a random user configuration | 08:31 |
| didrocks | ok, can have a try within a hook so | 08:31 |
| pitti | didrocks: but if it's too fiddly, please ignore it | 08:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: I added the WI as a reminder to see how much effort it is | 08:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: initially it seemed to be trivial, like adding a new search path (/root/.cache) | 08:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: I have all the pieces now, it's just a question of putting them together | 08:32 |
| pitti | but if it's lots of work, nevermind | 08:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, there is the second point | 08:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: which is netbook-launcher | 08:33 |
| didrocks | netbook-launcher doesn't use gnome-desktop to show the bg | 08:33 |
| didrocks | and so, there is a race at start between g-s-d and n-l to show the bg | 08:33 |
| didrocks | sometimes g-s-d wins and we have a cache | 08:33 |
| didrocks | sometimes not, and n-l shows it | 08:33 |
| didrocks | (and so, no cache) | 08:33 |
| didrocks | in any case, n-l ignore g-s-d and draw the cache | 08:34 |
| didrocks | s/cache/bg/ | 08:34 |
| baptistemm | hello | 08:36 |
| didrocks | salut baptistemm | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, that explains it | 08:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: can't we just stop n-l from drawing the background? no need to have it done by two components? | 08:36 |
| didrocks | pitti: yes, "the random cache file isn't there" from keybuck | 08:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: I can give it a try, but as it's in a clutter pixbuf, not sure we won't just have a white bg | 08:37 |
| didrocks | at least, I can try :) | 08:37 |
| didrocks | I guess n-l-efl needs some investigation too | 08:37 |
| * didrocks prays for the day he will be able to have one full day without "cache" nor "background" word :) | 08:38 | |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, you mean in the case where it works, both g-s-d and n-l write the background; and otherwise it's just n-l? | 08:38 |
| pitti | didrocks: don't pray, just have it :) and ignore this topic entirely | 08:39 |
| * pitti STFU | 08:39 | |
| didrocks | pitti: right, I think g-s-d should have some detection for "something is already drawn" | 08:39 |
| didrocks | pitti: heh | 08:39 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'm not sure whether it can find that out, especially if n-l isn't even using g-desktop | 08:39 |
| didrocks | pitti: there is some function in gnome-desktop to get if something is drawn on a monitor. I thing g-s-d calls that (I'll have a look at nautilus g-s-d interaction for that) | 08:40 |
| didrocks | well, let's remove bg drawing first | 08:41 |
| didrocks | that's the easiest part | 08:41 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti | 08:43 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, couché pas trop tard hier, pas de hockey? ;) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | 1:30am | 08:43 |
| seb128 | just watched to 0:30 game | 08:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks, nautilus interaction, g-s-d just read the nautilus gconf ke | 08:45 |
| seb128 | key | 08:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh thanks. I was thinking something more clever than that :) | 08:45 |
| seb128 | I don't think there is a smart way to know if what is on screen is the background you want | 08:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, the issue is apprentely, if n-l draws the bg before g-s-d, g-s-d doesn't try even to draw it (there is no cache file which appears). I'm wondering how it can prevent g-s-d from drawing it | 08:46 |
| seb128 | are you sure it does? | 08:47 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: hi, you haven't replied to this bug comment bug 510775 | 08:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 510775 in indicator-applet "indicator applet removes shutdown menu option" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/510775 | 08:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, on netbook, sometimes, we don't have any cache wallpaper at all (and I don't see any call to libgnome-desktop in the show bg part), and njpatel assured that n-l draws the bg | 08:48 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, yeah, I don't look for number for other people or I would spend my week looking for dup numbers and not fix any bug in ubuntu | 08:48 |
| didrocks | so, something should prevent g-s-d to do it, but randomly (as at other boots, the bg is there) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right, I've followed discussion I just say there is no reason why g-s-d doesn't display the bg too | 08:48 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's my only assumption for now why the "show bg" code isn't called sometime. Well, in any case, I should first fix n-l for the background part | 08:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: so, if n-l does not _need_ to draw the bg (it might need to because it does fading, blending, or what not), then let's disable it | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 08:51 |
| didrocks | that can be a first approach, right (I'm looking at the code now) | 08:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you real scrollback about gmenucache yesterday? | 08:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: if it does need to draw the bg, then let's patch g-s-d to not draw it at all for n-l (since then we don't need the cache either) | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I saw it | 08:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I would start by putting g-s-d printfs | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: I agree, it should build a cache for all locales | 08:51 |
| seb128 | didrocks, in the draw background code to make sure ti's not called | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: I still don't understand the .UTF-8 vs. .utf8 madness :/ | 08:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, locale -a lists .utf8 | 08:52 |
| seb128 | loging out of gdm does UTF-8 | 08:52 |
| pitti | right, it has always done so | 08:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: I've put them in libgnome, part, but right, I can add them to g-s-d as well | 08:52 |
| pitti | but until before lucid that that was an invalid format | 08:52 |
| seb128 | and .dmrc has .utf8 | 08:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, could be a locale bug... | 08:52 |
| pitti | seb128: I think it's a transition | 08:52 |
| pitti | seb128: but anyway, I know what I'll do | 08:52 |
| seb128 | pitti, want to assign the bug to you? | 08:53 |
| pitti | seb128: in the caching code and cache generator I'll just s/UTF-8/utf8/, and always use the normalized form | 08:53 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, please do | 08:53 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 08:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #517616 | 08:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 517616 in gnome-menus "User's menus are always kept unchanged" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517616 | 08:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, doing | 08:53 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: yeah, I understand. This missing 'shutdown menu' is a a11y problem. How can we fix it ? | 08:54 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, you will be able to open it using the keyboard ted is working on those changes | 08:55 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, ie it will have a super+<some_key> shortcut | 08:56 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, is that good enough? | 08:56 |
| seb128 | super being the microsoft flag key | 08:56 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: Not really, a lot of blind linux users would look for the shutdown menu option under the system menu it shouldn't be changed | 08:57 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, the menu items have not been there for over a year | 08:57 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, why can't those users be told that we have a session menu now? | 08:57 |
| pitti | seb128: do you happen to have the link handy for that page which used access("here I am") and that script to produce a chart? | 08:58 |
| pitti | for gnome startup speed profiling? | 08:58 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: yes, in a11y install mode, the fuse is removed by casper. Also it takes lot of keyboard tabs to reach the session menu | 08:58 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://people.gnome.org/~federico/news-2006-03.html#login-time-1 | 09:00 |
| pitti | seb128: merci | 09:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, de rien | 09:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, you probably what the post after this one on the webpage | 09:00 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, I just told you the session menu will have a shortcut | 09:01 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, so it should be no tab, just one shortcut | 09:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, would it make sense to upload the gpm fix now? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's weird to have that menu empty | 09:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, and the fix is obvious | 09:04 |
| pitti | ok, might just as well do | 09:04 |
| seb128 | thanks | 09:05 |
| pitti | doing | 09:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #407300 I'm not sure how much it's an issue | 09:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 407300 in ubuntu-translations "/etc/gdm/Xsession breaks LANGUAGE" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407300 | 09:05 |
| seb128 | nobody replied to my previous comment | 09:05 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: Providing a shortcut key is good, but I still would beg you to bring back the shutdown menus back http://vinci.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/removed-shutdown-in-ubuntu-jauntys-system-menu/ | 09:07 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, why? | 09:07 |
| pitti | seb128: it seems easy to fix | 09:08 |
| pitti | I just grabbed it out of my daily mail, I'll investigate it later on | 09:08 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: Because the blind users have been using that for years now, there is dirty casper hack that reverts this back in accessible mode | 09:08 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, blind users are not stupid why couldn't they adapt to change? | 09:09 |
| seb128 | we can't never change any ui because blind users know where things used to be | 09:09 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: darn! that's a shame | 09:11 |
| seb128 | ... | 09:11 |
| tseliot | seb128: speaking of UIs, did they decide on the position of tabs in gnome? | 09:13 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/casper/lucid/annotate/head%3A/scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility#L37 | 09:13 |
| seb128 | brb | 09:14 |
| seb128 | re | 09:16 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 09:17 |
| seb128 | tseliot, no, I don't think there is any discussion | 09:17 |
| seb128 | hello chrisccoulson | 09:17 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, pitti said he will fix the gnome-menus issue by normalizing the utf8 naming | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - thanks. i was just about to ask if you mentioned it to him yet | 09:17 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 09:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, how are you? | 09:18 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, I understand than current situation is an issue, you fail to convince me of the issue once we will have keyboard accessibility there | 09:18 |
| pitti | yes, I read the scrollback | 09:18 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks! looking forward to the weekend | 09:18 |
| pitti | I have a swap day tomorrow | 09:18 |
| tseliot | seb128: ok, thanks | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, me too ;) | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | (looking forward to the weekend) | 09:18 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, the session menu is just one menu as easy to open than the system one | 09:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, pitti: slackers :p | 09:18 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:18 |
| * seb128 looks forward alpha3 unfreeze | 09:18 | |
| pitti | and we will go to Paderborn, for some sightseeing, wellness hotel, and an exhibition of Claude Shannon's devices that he built over the years and decades | 09:18 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll need someone to be in the release team meeting tomorrow .. | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh nice, enjoy ;-) | 09:19 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: ok I understand, let me know where to track the development of session menu with ted ? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh right you are taking a vac day? | 09:19 |
| pitti | I'll prepare the report, but would be nice to have someone to ansswer questions | 09:19 |
| pitti | seb128: right | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, I can cover for you | 09:19 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 09:19 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 09:19 | |
| pitti | seb128: or do you want to update this week's report yourself, as a means of exercise? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, there or #ayatana? | 09:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've a busy plate for today so I'm happy to pass if you have time to do it | 09:20 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: thanks for hearing me out ! | 09:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, but I should do some before end of cycle ;-) | 09:20 |
| pitti | seb128: fine | 09:20 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: my interest is a11y and screen reader users | 09:21 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, np | 09:21 |
| ^arky^ | :) | 09:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 09:21 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, right, your input is welcome and I agree current session menu can't be open easily from keyboard which sucks | 09:21 |
| seb128 | ^arky^, that will be fixed in lucid though | 09:21 |
| seb128 | so I think things should work just fine there | 09:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, wait, when do the update needs to be done? | 09:22 |
| ^arky^ | seb128: looking forward for that :) | 09:22 |
| pitti | seb128: meeting is tomorrow 17:00 CET | 09:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, I want to get other things done this morning but I can do in the end of afternoon | 09:23 |
| seb128 | pitti, not sure how much I still need you around when I do it though | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, you don't have to -- if you are busy, then please finish your tasks | 09:23 |
| pitti | seb128: I think for the first time we really want to do it together | 09:23 |
| pitti | so that I can explain the things I'm checking, what I prod people about, etc. | 09:23 |
| pitti | and what to point out in the release meeting | 09:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, so maybe wait start of afternoon and see how I get things done this morning | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: if not, that's fine; we'll have plenty of opportunities to practice still :) | 09:24 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 09:24 | |
| seb128 | right | 09:24 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti ;-) | 09:24 | |
| seb128 | screw you rsync | 09:24 |
| pitti | seb128: but yes, I'll do it in the afternoon anyway, I don't want to spend my fresh and quiet morning hours on report writing :) | 09:24 |
| seb128 | luckily I did backup the iso this time | 09:24 |
| pitti | morning -> hack time | 09:25 |
| seb128 | same here ;-) | 09:25 |
| pitti | afternoon, with IRC being busy -> email, reporting, bug triage | 09:25 |
| seb128 | hum, bug #527607 | 09:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527607 in gnome-control-center "gnome-keybinding-properties: binding not working properly for XF86Sleep" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527607 | 09:25 |
| seb128 | I'm pondering closing it as NOTABUG | 09:25 |
| seb128 | what an idea to remap the sleep key :p | 09:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ^ would it be a g-s-d or g-p-m bug? | 09:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - it's probably g-c-c if the keybinding description is still shipped there. the actual functionality has been removed from g-s-d | 09:26 |
| chrisccoulson | so we should remove it from the capplet too | 09:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll just check | 09:27 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, now that you mention it I think it has been fixed in lucid | 09:28 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - the keybinding description needs removing from capplets/keybindings/01-desktop-key.xml.in if it is still there in lucid | 09:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, it's the other way around | 09:28 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, that key assign "sleep_key" to $random_action | 09:28 |
| seb128 | like pick "run calculator" and press the key | 09:29 |
| seb128 | that *guy* assign | 09:29 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, then he presses the key and it suspend the box | 09:29 |
| seb128 | instead of running the calculator | 09:29 |
| seb128 | or maybe it does both :-p | 09:29 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 09:29 |
| chrisccoulson | so, he's actually assigning the sleep key to run something else? | 09:30 |
| seb128 | yes | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | that's strange | 09:30 |
| seb128 | well that's how I understand the bug | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think you're right | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | we need a "don't be so silly" reply button ;) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | I guess he doesn't suspend from keyboard and decided it would be nicer to use the key for something he does | 09:31 |
| seb128 | yeah, what I was think too ;-) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | I just added a comment saying basically "too much of a special case to justify spending work on it" | 09:32 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, sounds good | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | and i'm not sure it would be possible to detect that another application has already got a grab on a particular key anyway, to prevent a user from re-assigning it | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | or maybe there is | 09:33 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's too much work anyway ;) | 09:34 |
| seb128 | right | 09:34 |
| seb128 | better to spend time on a real issue | 09:35 |
| dpm | hey seb128, good morning. We talked some time ago about the desktop entries with X-GNOME-FullName not appearing translated. You told me there might be a bug filed already, but so far I haven't been able to find it. I'd like to track it, and I'm thinking on filing one on glib2.0, what do you think? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | dpm, hi, I fixed that in glib during the distro sprint | 09:47 |
| seb128 | dpm, if it's buggy again I need to check why | 09:47 |
| dpm | seb128, ah, awesome, thanks | 09:48 |
| seb128 | np | 09:48 |
| seb128 | I will check that today | 09:48 |
| dpm | seb128, thanks a lot, if you need more info, just let me know. In my system the Rhythmbox entry is translated for example, whereas Evolution is not. | 09:50 |
| seb128 | rhythmbox does use X-GNOME-FullName though | 09:50 |
| dpm | seb128, yeah, that was the weird thing | 09:50 |
| seb128 | dpm, can you delete /usr/share/applications/desktop*cache? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | dpm, and run gnome-panel --replace | 09:52 |
| seb128 | dpm, and tell me if that fixes the broken entries | 09:52 |
| seb128 | I think it's another pitti's bog | 09:52 |
| dpm | ok, let me try that | 09:52 |
| seb128 | the cache doesn't have the translated value there for X-GNOME-FullName | 09:52 |
| seb128 | ie has for Name and Comment though | 09:52 |
| dpm | seb128, great, that fixed it | 09:55 |
| seb128 | dpm, ok good, so my glib fixes work | 09:55 |
| seb128 | dpm, I will get that cache bug fixed too | 09:55 |
| seb128 | dpm, thanks for pointing it | 09:55 |
| dpm | seb128, awesome, thanks to you :) | 09:55 |
| * pitti apologizes for screwing up so much | 09:59 | |
| seb128 | pitti, only those who do nothing don't screw anything there ;-) | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm looking into that issue right now | 10:00 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if that's something to change in pyxdg | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, gotcha | 10:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, there is no getX-GNOME-FullName | 10:02 |
| seb128 | in pyxdg | 10:02 |
| seb128 | so it goes | 10:02 |
| seb128 | except AttributeError: | 10:02 |
| seb128 | val = de.get(f) | 10:02 |
| pitti | you need to call the normal get() function with localize=True or so | 10:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, well you do | 10:02 |
| seb128 | for f in fields: | 10:02 |
| seb128 | try: | 10:02 |
| seb128 | val = getattr(de, 'get' + f)() | 10:02 |
| seb128 | so build "getKEY" | 10:03 |
| seb128 | and the getX-GNOME-FullName breaks | 10:03 |
| pitti | right, that needs s apecial case | 10:03 |
| pitti | swap the 'a' and 's' :) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | :-) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | pitti, well we can add a | 10:04 |
| seb128 | def getX-GNOME-FullName(self): | 10:04 |
| seb128 | return self.get('X-GNOME-FullName', locale=True) | 10:04 |
| pitti | but rather than changing pyxdg we could just handle that in the cache builder; seems easier | 10:05 |
| seb128 | to pyxdg | 10:05 |
| pitti | also, identifiers must not have a '-' in the name | 10:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, well I'm just wondering if other pyxdg users will have that issue too | 10:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok so just special case the X-GNOME-FullName field in the menu cache to do a get with locale=True? | 10:06 |
| seb128 | wfm | 10:06 |
| pitti | right | 10:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, want me to do the change? | 10:07 |
| pitti | seb128: if you want to, go ahead; otherwise I can do it later on | 10:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, or will you do it while you look at the utf8 change? | 10:07 |
| pitti | right, I can do both alongside | 10:07 |
| seb128 | ok good thanks | 10:07 |
| seb128 | do you want a bug about that? | 10:07 |
| pitti | seb128: is there a bug for this issue which I need to close? | 10:07 |
| pitti | heh, snap | 10:07 |
| seb128 | dpm, ^ | 10:08 |
| seb128 | dpm, do you have a bug for that X-GNOME-FullName not translated? | 10:08 |
| TeTeT | asac: I've compiled network manager now with dhcpcd and w/o dhclient, but the options seem to get ignored. here's my debian/rules file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/383586/ | 10:08 |
| seb128 | dpm, if not can you open a gnome-menus one? | 10:08 |
| pitti | seb128, dpm: if not, I just make a note in bug 517616 | 10:08 |
| TeTeT | asac: alternatively I downloaded dhcp client 4 from isc.org and built it, works fine with it | 10:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 517616 in gnome-menus "User's menus are always kept unchanged" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517616 | 10:08 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, do you want to do the g-s-d and g-c-c updates when you have time this week or next one? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to let you those | 10:10 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can do those | 10:11 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll probably get them done before i start on monday | 10:11 |
| seb128 | no hurry | 10:12 |
| dpm | pitti, seb128, I've got no problem in opening a new bug on gnome-menus for the cache issue, but if it's the same as bug 517616, I'll just add a note there, what do you prefer? | 10:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 517616 in gnome-menus "User's menus are always kept unchanged" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/517616 | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, rsync is taking longer that I was expecting for the few changes we had and I'm done with the other thing I was looking at now | 10:15 |
| seb128 | dpm, no it's not the same issue but it's in the same code | 10:15 |
| pitti | dpm: works for me | 10:15 |
| seb128 | if pitti says it works for him just do that | 10:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, I can look with you at the meeting wikipage now if you want | 10:16 |
| dpm | just add a comment, then? | 10:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, or start on something else if we keep morning for hacking ;-) | 10:16 |
| pitti | seb128: if we could delay it until the afternoon, I'd prefer that, but I can drop my current work if it's convenient for you now | 10:17 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, afternoon is fine, I've enough tasks to pick on | 10:17 |
| * seb128 starts next task ;-) | 10:17 | |
| pitti | seb "task machine" astien | 10:18 |
| seb128 | lol | 10:18 |
| chrisccoulson | heh ;) | 10:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i wish logitech would stop making keyboards without indicator LED's on them | 10:20 |
| chrisccoulson | i own 2 such keyboards now | 10:20 |
| chrisccoulson | and there's no way of telling when caps lock is on | 10:20 |
| seb128 | do you have a cord for those? | 10:21 |
| seb128 | usually the not led it to spare power on cordless devices | 10:21 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - they're cordless ;) | 10:21 |
| chrisccoulson | that's a good point about saving power | 10:21 |
| seb128 | I usually have standard keyboard | 10:22 |
| seb128 | I don't move the keyboard enough to need a cordless one | 10:22 |
| seb128 | it's nice for the mouse though | 10:22 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i probably should have got a standard keyboard | 10:22 |
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| huats | Hello everyone | 10:29 |
| chrisccoulson | hey huats | 10:30 |
| huats | hey chrisccoulson | 10:31 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, just a question do you ever sleep ???? | 10:31 |
| huats | :) | 10:31 |
| chrisccoulson | huats - yeah, i sleep between 4am and 7am usually ;) | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i've been getting to bed earlier for the last couple of weeks | 10:32 |
| huats | :) | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | my daughter sleeps all night now ;) | 10:32 |
| huats | great ! | 10:33 |
| tseliot | seb128, mpt: so, if upstream doesn't revert the "tabs at the bottom" change, are we going to stick with it? | 10:43 |
| seb128 | tseliot, why not? | 10:43 |
| seb128 | I don't really care either way I don't use tabs | 10:43 |
| seb128 | if there is no design team recommendations we will stick with upstream behaviour | 10:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i find the tabs at the bottom mildly annoying | 10:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i use them quite a bit | 10:45 |
| tseliot | seb128: it's just a question. Having it at the bottom makes me less productive. Tabs are usually at the top. This change breaks my assumptions on where tabs are | 10:45 |
| tseliot | I use tabs a lot | 10:45 |
| seb128 | well as said I don't use tabs in nautilus so I've no opinion | 10:45 |
| chrisccoulson | it wouldn't be trivial to revert the change. it's not just a case of moving the tabs again, as other UI elements have been changed to get the alignment correct | 10:46 |
| tseliot | ok, let's see what mpt says | 10:46 |
| tseliot | oh, so isn't it just this change? http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=c6ee7553fd029239eff50d32dbcb57223ffa185e | 10:46 |
| seb128 | tseliot, right check with mpt or djsiegel | 10:46 |
| tseliot | ok | 10:47 |
| chrisccoulson | tseliot - i don't think so. there were further changes after that, as moving the tabs messed up the alignment of all the other elements | 10:47 |
| chrisccoulson | they would need to be reverted too, and then i don't know how that fits with the new split view that was added (which is the main reason for the change) | 10:48 |
| tseliot | chrisccoulson: reverting the change would need some testing (definitely in a PPA) | 10:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm trying to find the other changes atm | 10:50 |
| seb128 | I don't think reverting would be hard if we want that | 10:50 |
| seb128 | reading planet gnome I think design team view is that adding split view sucks | 10:50 |
| seb128 | it complicates the ui and was not really required | 10:50 |
| tseliot | I've never used that | 10:51 |
| seb128 | but we have no going to undo that change... | 10:51 |
| * tseliot asks in #design | 10:52 | |
| tjaalton | I hate the tabs on bottom | 10:53 |
| seb128 | I'm surprised by how many of you use tabs in a filemanager ;-) | 10:54 |
| tjaalton | obviously firefox needs to adapt as well.. | 10:54 |
| tjaalton | it's better than opening several windows | 10:54 |
| tjaalton | with sidebars etc | 10:54 |
| seb128 | I don't find it to be the case | 10:54 |
| seb128 | easier to dnd between things open together | 10:54 |
| tjaalton | though until nautilus supports rubberbanding on listview I'll keep disliking it :) | 10:55 |
| tjaalton | but there's no real option either | 10:55 |
| tjaalton | dnd works between tabs just fine | 10:55 |
| chrisccoulson | tseliot: that's the other change btw - http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=89c29e1beb04b7f0cc751976bff052af26faf8cd | 10:55 |
| tseliot | chrisccoulson: wouldn't it be easier to just disable the extra pane? | 10:56 |
| chrisccoulson | am i the only one who uses split view? | 10:57 |
| chrisccoulson | and tabs? ;) | 10:57 |
| tseliot | ah | 10:57 |
| tseliot | maybe ;) | 10:57 |
| tjaalton | I use tabs | 10:57 |
| tseliot | maybe we could revert these 2 changes and put the packages in a PPA for testing | 10:59 |
| tseliot | just to see how it goes | 10:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i assume split view will be necessary in the gnome-shell world | 10:59 |
| tseliot | it looks like the extra pane will go away | 11:00 |
| seb128 | it's not | 11:00 |
| tseliot | (this is what they decided at the hackfest) | 11:00 |
| seb128 | the split view was added because alex said nautilus is moving from being a way to browse your files to manage those | 11:01 |
| seb128 | default was special because nautilus was there to find things you need an open those | 11:01 |
| seb128 | that usecase is handled better in gnome-shell with recent documents etc | 11:01 |
| seb128 | and activites | 11:01 |
| seb128 | so now the main purpose and to organize your files | 11:01 |
| seb128 | which justify extra options to make that easier | 11:01 |
| seb128 | like splited view, tabs, etc | 11:02 |
| asac | * language-pack-${Languages} [i386 amd64 powerpc] | 11:02 |
| asac | why do you think armel doesnt want language-packs ;)? | 11:03 |
| thekorn | didrocks, what is the correct target for a bugreport to exclude an application from beeing maximized in UNE? the application itself? | 11:03 |
| asac | ;) | 11:03 |
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| didrocks | thekorn: ubuntu-netbook-default-settings | 11:05 |
| thekorn | didrocks, okidoki, thanks | 11:05 |
| didrocks | thekorn: just ensure first that the discussion is valid. It's really when the application is unusable/crappy in fullscreen | 11:05 |
| didrocks | thekorn: don't want to start a holy war on that :) | 11:06 |
| thekorn | didrocks, starting onboard fullscreen just makes no sense | 11:06 |
| didrocks | thekorn: it's a duplicate | 11:06 |
| thekorn | ok | 11:06 |
| didrocks | thekorn: there was already one bug and it's fix commited yesterday. I'm just waiting for end of alpha 3 freeze | 11:07 |
| thekorn | great, you rock | 11:07 |
| didrocks | thekorn: thanks for triaging this :) | 11:07 |
| seb128 | asac, who is using armel anyway? ;-) | 11:08 |
| seb128 | asac, but good question I don't know why those should be arch specific | 11:08 |
| asac | :) | 11:08 |
| seb128 | pitti might know | 11:08 |
| asac | there have been a bunch of changes lately with [i386 amd64 powerpc] | 11:09 |
| asac | some are right though (e.g. ooo) | 11:09 |
| seb128 | you feel second class citizen? ;-) | 11:09 |
| didrocks | asac: not sure about the CD size, I let the default, just add new locals :p feel free to change the seed | 11:11 |
| asac | didrocks: right. please whenever you use [i386 amd64 powerpc] ... include armel - except for OOO ;) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | asac: ok, let's take this rule :) | 11:13 |
| asac | cool | 11:13 |
| didrocks | njpatel_: bg cache now in netbook-launcher :) | 11:16 |
| njpatel_ | didrocks, awesome! | 11:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you make it use gnome-bd? | 11:19 |
| seb128 | gnome-bg | 11:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, unfortunately, there are some special cases in the code because of clutter and I'm afraid for issues with multi monitors | 11:20 |
| njpatel_ | didrocks, wncksync daemon's packaging branch needs some love -- it's currently deleting autogen.sh etc | 11:33 |
| njpatel_ | didrocks, do you want me to roll a release with a fixed extra-dist? | 11:33 |
| chrisccoulson | cake day today! | 12:03 |
| czajkowski | chrisccoulson: every day is a cake day | 12:19 |
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| chrisccoulson | heh, everyone is happy here now they have cakes | 12:55 |
| seb128 | hum, cake! | 12:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: about bug #527528. I can't reproduce it with a stock install. My guess is that he has a home folder already with a .dmrc and as we don't change the default session… Well, i'll update it, but it's not an alpha3 blocker in any way and not a bug IMHO :) | 12:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527528 in netbook-meta "[Alpha 3 Testing] After first boot default GNOME desktop is installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527528 | 12:58 |
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| pitti | didrocks: no, not a blocker of any kind, but perhaps you can request some information (like ~/.dmrc and the gdm cache) to confirm? | 13:06 |
| pitti | didrocks: if it was a clean install, there shouldn't be any .dmrc? | 13:06 |
| didrocks | pitti: right, I asked for the home dir first | 13:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: merci (don't waste much time on it, low prio issue) | 13:07 |
| didrocks | I'm finishing my last test with netbook-launcher cahe, it seems to works fine. What I can do is to use the "zoom" transformation by default instead of the "stretched" one to share the share cache by default between GNOME and UNE | 13:09 |
| pitti | didrocks: poor you; but thanks for pushing this! | 13:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: no pb, "just finish the work©". well, I'm more sceptic for the ubiquity WI, we'll see :) | 13:14 |
| seb128 | slomo, there? | 13:42 |
| slomo | seb128: sure | 13:47 |
| seb128 | slomo, hey | 13:47 |
| seb128 | slomo, what is this cairo break on xulrunner about? | 13:47 |
| seb128 | slomo, did .10 break things? | 13:47 |
| slomo | seb128: xulrunner/gecko/firefox/bla has a bug that is exposed by new cairo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=522635 | 13:48 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 522635 in Widget: Gtk "RenderBadPicture fatal error closing tab" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 13:48 |
| seb128 | asac, asac_: ^ do you know if that's an issue for lucid? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | or do we use the firefox cairo copy now? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | or do we use the firefox cairo copy now? | 13:49 |
| seb128 | ups | 13:49 |
| seb128 | slomo, also your changelog mention section changes but debdiff says control didn't change | 13:49 |
| seb128 | out of the breaks | 13:49 |
| slomo | seb128: btw, please sync all the gstreamer packages once again :) these are gstreamer0.10, gst-plugins-{base,good,bad,ugly}0.10, gnonlin, gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg... releases are to be expected early next week | 13:50 |
| slomo | seb128: hm, thanks | 13:50 |
| seb128 | slomo, I will do that after alpha3 freeze thanks | 13:50 |
| seb128 | slomo, with the current versions I get some codec install issues btw... | 13:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, I will try with all updates before pinging you though | 13:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, I get the error dialog and then codec install kicking it | 13:51 |
| seb128 | and not always | 13:51 |
| seb128 | like I tried on an .asx and .avi and an .mp3 | 13:51 |
| seb128 | and it didn't work for the mp3 | 13:51 |
| seb128 | I just got the error dialog | 13:52 |
| slomo | hmm, if you give me some more details how to reproduce it i'll take a look | 13:52 |
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| seb128 | slomo, well here it's easy, install alpha3 and double click on a mp3 | 13:52 |
| slomo | i tried it on a lot of files between .26.2 and .26.3 and it always worked | 13:52 |
| seb128 | that's totem 2.29 and current gstreamer + base | 13:52 |
| slomo | only core and base? no gst-plugins-good? | 13:53 |
| seb128 | slomo, I will try again with the files this guy listed on his bug | 13:53 |
| seb128 | slomo, no, I did manage to got those in because the alpha3 freeze | 13:53 |
| seb128 | slomo, that's why I said I would try again with everything uptodate | 13:53 |
| slomo | heh, well, without gst-plugins-good i get an error too :) | 13:54 |
| slomo | it doesn't find gconfaudiosink... but that's a bug in totem | 13:54 |
| seb128 | euh | 13:54 |
| seb128 | good is installed | 13:54 |
| slomo | ok | 13:54 |
| seb128 | I just didn't do the pre version update | 13:55 |
| seb128 | sorry I was not clear | 13:55 |
| seb128 | anyway I will ping you back later or tomorrow once I got everything updated | 13:55 |
| slomo | not necessary, i can reproduce it *sigh* thanks for reporting | 13:56 |
| seb128 | slomo, thank you ;-) | 13:56 |
| slomo | so, it seems that totem doesn't ignore the errors anymore :) | 13:57 |
| slomo | i'll try to get it fixed this week | 13:57 |
| seb128 | excellent, you rock! | 13:57 |
| slomo | seb128: since when is it broken? | 14:00 |
| slomo | seb128: .26? .26.2? | 14:00 |
| seb128 | slomo, hard to say, but .26 or before I would say | 14:00 |
| seb128 | slomo, I don't do too much new install testing early in the cycle | 14:01 |
| seb128 | but that guy who opened the bug upstream with all the example you tried was asking about it before 26.2 | 14:01 |
| seb128 | hey tedg | 14:09 |
| tedg | Howdy seb128 | 14:09 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 14:10 |
| pitti | tedg: howdy | 14:14 |
| tedg | Doing okay. Running into IRC everywhere this morning :) | 14:15 |
| tedg | We need to unfreeze the archive to make people busy again ;) | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, good morning | 14:37 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, what's the status of getting this merged? | 14:38 |
| kenvandine | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/get_port_through_dbus/+merge/20066 | 14:38 |
| * kenvandine would love to get a dc upload after we are unfroze :) | 14:38 | |
| aquarius | an upload would fix the -hashed-password bug too, I think | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | aquarius, yay :) | 14:47 |
| CardinalFang | kenvandine, aquarius, hi. I haven't gotten it reviewed yet. I add more yesterday, locally, to notice couchdb dying and to get a new port and re-advertise, but I think that's overkill now in the sober morning light. | 15:02 |
| CardinalFang | So, I'll get more eyes on what I have posted. | 15:03 |
| kenvandine | CardinalFang, thx | 15:10 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know who could look at bug 522897 ? | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522897 in gstreamer0.10 "DVD menus are displayed but un-clickable [lucid regression]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522897 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, slomo? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, I'm waiting for the freeze end to sync new gstreamer stack from debian | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, assign it to me if you want I will deal with testing after sync and asking slomo if required | 15:12 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 15:12 |
| seb128 | np | 15:12 |
| * pitti crosses fingers that this ddeb run will finally wor | 15:12 | |
| pitti | k | 15:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you know when we are likely to unfreeze btw? | 15:14 |
| pitti | I don't, no; we got a kubuntu desktop rebuild an hour ago, so I guess we want to test this first | 15:15 |
| * kenvandine chuckles... | 15:26 | |
| kenvandine | just crashed aquarius' router again :) | 15:26 |
| seb128 | tseliot, alex doesn't seem opposed to change back tabs position but is busy, he said he would welcome somebody working on a patch though | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | i could probably look at that if tseliot is busy | 15:29 |
| chrisccoulson | it could be a weekend thing ;) | 15:29 |
| tseliot | seb128: fantastic news :-) I can't promise anything but I might use my spare time (this is an oxymoron for me...) to do that. If chrisccoulson has more time, he's welcome to work on it | 15:29 |
| seb128 | I think everybody there is busy so let's see who comes to do it first | 15:30 |
| * tseliot nods | 15:30 | |
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| nigelb | seb128: okay, I've finally pushed the rhythmbox branch with all the corrections :) | 15:41 |
| seb128 | nigelb, thanks | 15:41 |
| chrisccoulson | wow, there are still cakes left here. i might have to take some home with me :) | 15:55 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson: nobody said "all you can eat _today and here_", after all :) | 16:29 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 16:29 |
| chrisccoulson | i think i got too much food ;) | 16:29 |
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| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|afk | ||
| chrisccoulson | tedg - when libappindicator uses a fallback GtkStatusIcon, is it hiding the icon before unreffing it? or does it just unref it without hiding it first? | 16:41 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: I'm not sure, I'm betting it just unrefs. Is that causing an issue? | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - yes | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | it leaves space behind in the notification area, which causes unsightly gaps to appear, and grow for the life of the session | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | it's really a notification area bug, but other apps work around this by hiding it before unreffing it | 16:43 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: Okay, I can fix that. | 16:43 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - awesome, thanks :) | 16:43 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson: Though, it might discourage people from using the notification area ;) | 16:43 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - bug 526041 FYI (sorry about the misleading title, people are confusing multiple issues in the same report) | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526041 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager crashes all 5-10 minutes again " [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526041 | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | but that contains a screenshot of the issue | 16:44 |
| slomo | seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611101 | 16:50 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 611101 in GStreamer backend "Automatic codec installation broken once again" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 16:51 |
| slomo | seb128: fixes your codec installer bug | 16:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, thanks! | 16:51 |
| seb128 | slomo, btw do you know about bug #522897 | 16:51 |
| seb128 | ? | 16:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522897 in gstreamer0.10 "DVD menus are displayed but un-clickable [lucid regression]" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522897 | 16:51 |
| slomo | seb128: i'll apply that patch to the debian totem package when i'm updating it to 2.29.91 (today or tomorrow), you might want to add it to the ubuntu package too | 16:52 |
| seb128 | slomo, it might be fixed in the updates I didn't sync yet | 16:52 |
| slomo | no, last time i tried this worked :) | 16:52 |
| seb128 | slomo, yeah I will | 16:52 |
| slomo | but that was 1-2 months ago... better forward that upstream :) | 16:52 |
| seb128 | I will install the updates first and do that if that's still buggy | 16:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:53 |
| slomo | nothing related to that changed between .2 and .3 (you already have .2?) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | just for gst + base | 16:54 |
| slomo | oh ok | 16:54 |
| slomo | seb128: do you know of any other bad gstreamer related bugs? | 16:57 |
| seb128 | not that I know about no | 16:57 |
| seb128 | good work ;-) | 16:57 |
| slomo | great :) | 16:57 |
| slomo | thanks | 16:57 |
| Ng | does the indicator applet stuff support tooltips? | 17:24 |
| Ng | or do I need to shrug off the oppressive yoke of my habit of using gnome-power-manager's tooltip to know what my remaining uptime is? :) | 17:25 |
| seb128 | no | 17:25 |
| seb128 | it's a menu | 17:25 |
| Ng | it's a widget, so it *could* have tooltips if it wanted, but whatever. I just think it's worth mentioning that it's now quite inconvenient to find out how many minutes of battery you have left | 17:26 |
| seb128 | how complicated is it to click? | 17:27 |
| Ng | seb128: I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it's two clicks and then scrolling down the list of battery attributes to see the time remaining | 17:29 |
| seb128 | it should be an unsensitve label in the menu | 17:29 |
| seb128 | not a submenu | 17:30 |
| Ng | I agree, that would be very fine :) | 17:30 |
| seb128 | file a bug | 17:30 |
| pitti | Ng: or press the battery Fn key | 17:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, there? | 17:56 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 17:57 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 17:57 |
| kenvandine | just filing crasher bugs against the music store :) | 17:57 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, want me to look at the dx updates? | 17:57 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i can do it... | 17:58 |
| seb128 | ok, as you want | 17:58 |
| kenvandine | i thought there wasn't any this week :) | 17:58 |
| kenvandine | seb128, if you have the time... having help is great! | 17:58 |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:58 |
| seb128 | I already got 2 merge proposal from ted | 17:58 |
| kenvandine | but i don't want to keep you from more important stuff | 17:58 |
| kenvandine | are we free to upload now? | 17:58 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I will do the pending ones, not yet but I queue things for after freeze | 17:59 |
| seb128 | I've some 20 minutes before sport and dinner | 17:59 |
| seb128 | I will do the one ted sent | 17:59 |
| kenvandine | seb128, cool... grab the ones you have then :) | 17:59 |
| kenvandine | thx | 17:59 |
| seb128 | and upload later | 17:59 |
| seb128 | np | 17:59 |
| pitti | rickspencer3, seb128: anything you need me to do still before I stroll away for a long nice weekend without any computers? :-) | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, no, thanks | 18:00 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, enjoy the break! | 18:01 |
| pitti | cool, then I'll disappear for a bit to cook dinner | 18:02 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, I'm sure I will | 18:02 |
| seb128 | sport and dinner | 18:21 |
| seb128 | be back later | 18:21 |
| chrisccoulson | good evening everyone | 18:38 |
| didrocks | pitti: enjoy the break pitti | 18:39 |
| chrisccoulson | hey didrocks | 18:41 |
| didrocks | hey chrisccoulson ;) | 18:41 |
| didrocks | dinner time | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | enjoy ;) | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think i'm going to eat dinner tonight | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i ate so much at work | 18:41 |
| didrocks | cake… ;) | 18:41 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, way too much of it ;) | 18:42 |
| hyperair | asac_: network-manager 0.8-0ubuntu4~nmt4~karmic seems incapable of using karmic's dhclient. | 20:29 |
| mvo_ | rickspencer3: hi, do you happen to know if simple-scan is on par with features with xsane? does it support the fax and similar stuff? I ask because I'm currently in a discussion if u-m should automatically remove apps like xsane that were in the default install but are no longer (and got demoted to universe) | 20:29 |
| hyperair | asac_: my syslog shows dhclient printing a usage message | 20:30 |
| mvo_ | (or someone else familiar with scanning?) | 20:30 |
| hyperair | asac_: this thread says it all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8878195 | 20:33 |
| mvo_ | seb128: wb | 20:43 |
| mvo_ | seb128: and sure enough I have a question :) | 20:43 |
| mvo_ | seb128: hi, do you happen to know if simple-scan is on par with features with xsane? does it support the fax and similar stuff? I ask because I'm currently in a discussion if u-m should automatically remove apps like xsane that were in the default install but are no longer (and got demoted to universe) | 20:43 |
| seb128 | mvo_, no it doesn't | 20:44 |
| seb128 | mvo_, and it's not meant to be I think | 20:44 |
| seb128 | mvo_, hey ;-) | 20:44 |
| mvo_ | well, this make this discussion a bit harder for me then :/ | 20:44 |
| seb128 | mvo_, where, with you do you argue? | 20:46 |
| seb128 | mvo_, we sort of had the discussion with pidgin and empathy previous cycle | 20:46 |
| asac_ | huats: known. use dhcp 4.1.1 or downgrade until we inject that in the ppa | 20:46 |
| asac_ | huats: unping ... that was for hyperair | 20:46 |
| mvo_ | seb128: right, in a ideal world where we have upgrade pathes and equal featues its a no-brainer | 20:47 |
| mvo_ | but in reality its a bit more complicated | 20:47 |
| huats | asac_, no pb | 20:47 |
| huats | hello btw alex :) | 20:47 |
| asac | hi ;) | 20:49 |
| mvo_ | seb128: bug #518856 | 20:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 518856 in update-manager "Support ends dialog should auto-detect universe" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/518856 | 20:49 |
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| mvo_ | seb128: what was the outcome of the discussion btw? | 20:52 |
| seb128 | mvo_, that getting upgrades right is hard and that we do the bare minimal acceptable job but nothing great :p | 20:53 |
| seb128 | mvo_, joke aside that we lack mechanism to handle that correctly | 20:54 |
| seb128 | that being true for applications and user settings | 20:54 |
| seb128 | my view is that we should not remove those but have the computer-janitor or something making suggestions of things to clean | 20:55 |
| seb128 | like list both simple-scan and xscan with buttons to try both and saying "we recommend uninstalling this one if the other one fits your needs" | 20:55 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure other people would agree and that's not lucid material | 20:56 |
| * mvo_ nods | 20:56 | |
| mvo_ | yeah, making computer-janitor better is maybe the best way | 20:56 |
| mvo_ | or improving u-m, but then who cares about xsane/simple-scan during a big ugprade | 20:57 |
| mvo_ | yeah, thanks for your thoughts | 20:57 |
| seb128 | I would just not remove those during upgrade and get some "do you want to learn about the new experience" after upgrade | 20:57 |
| mvo_ | I think we need to discuss it at a uds and put some real effort behind it | 20:57 |
| seb128 | which would open something which explain what changed and let you ie reset your look and feel to be default ubuntu one | 20:57 |
| * mvo_ nods | 20:57 | |
| mvo_ | yeah, so a framework for this | 20:58 |
| seb128 | or see difference between softwares and let you decide if you want to clean the deprecated one | 20:58 |
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| mvo_ | seb128: *nod* - btw #501692 is something I see during hardy->lucid upgrades | 21:03 |
| mvo_ | bug #501692 | 21:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 501692 in evolution "evolution-alarm-notify pops up repeatedly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501692 | 21:03 |
| * mvo_ needs to go to bed | 21:04 | |
| seb128 | mvo_, 'night | 21:05 |
| seb128 | mvo_, no idea without debugging for this one | 21:05 |
| mvo_ | ok | 21:05 |
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| robert_ancell | TheMuso, hey, I seem to have removed my audio volume, any idea how to get it back? | 21:31 |
| TheMuso | robert_ancell: Not sure how the indicator stuff starts up | 21:33 |
| TheMuso | I assume its an xdg desktop file but haven't looked. | 21:33 |
| seb128 | it's not | 21:33 |
| seb128 | the applet load the indicators installed | 21:33 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, is indicator-sound installed? | 21:33 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 21:33 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, I think I right clicked "remove" on it by accident the other day and can't find how to add it (it doesn't seem to be an applet, or a startup program) | 21:34 |
| seb128 | you still have other indicators? | 21:34 |
| seb128 | ie the message indicator one? | 21:34 |
| seb128 | you might just want to put the indicator applet back in your config | 21:35 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, which config? | 21:37 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the gnome-panel one | 21:37 |
| seb128 | ie right click, add to gnome-pane, select notification applet there | 21:38 |
| seb128 | gnome-panel | 21:38 |
| seb128 | it's a "i" in a blue circle | 21:38 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, aha! That's going to confuse people :) | 21:39 |
| robert_ancell | thanks | 21:39 |
| seb128 | np | 21:39 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, that also tells me you don't use the message indicator :p | 21:42 |
| seb128 | you didn't notice that one was not there either | 21:42 |
| seb128 | note that the same applet is used for applications too now | 21:42 |
| seb128 | ie gnome-power-manager | 21:42 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, no, if you remove it the old power indicator appears. I don't use the messaging menu though | 21:44 |
| seb128 | ah right, appindicators fallback to notification area icons | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | huats - did you have something which needed sponsoring? | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | (i can't remember if you asked last night or not) | 21:44 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, same question for you ;-) | 21:44 |
| chrisccoulson | hey seb128 | 21:45 |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson | 21:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i've not got anything which needs sponsoring just yet. there's a g-c-c crash fix in bzr, but that can wait until i've done the new upstream version too | 21:45 |
| seb128 | ok | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | seb128, still around? | 22:02 |
| kenvandine | can you sponsor lp:~ubuntu-desktop/indicator-application/ubuntu | 22:02 |
| kenvandine | acl problem... still | 22:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | thx | 22:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, "still around" is rather "just back" | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 22:03 |
| seb128 | and I will be around for a while still | 22:03 |
| * kenvandine has to go feed the kids | 22:03 | |
| seb128 | watching olympics games on tv | 22:03 |
| seb128 | with the laptop near | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | will be back in a couple hours when they are in bed | 22:03 |
| kenvandine | :) | 22:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, have fun! | 22:04 |
| Ng | pitti: that's a good point if you have such a key, and I do, but for some reason i always went for the tooltip | 23:22 |
| huats | chrisccoulson, thanks for your help for sponsoring | 23:42 |
| huats | I amwaiting for a sponsoring on pessulus and one on deskbar-applet | 23:42 |
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