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mhall119|workoh wait, that was from ages ago04:16
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dpmHi everyone!16:00
trijntjehi16:01
vdquynhHi from Vietnam :)16:01
sianishello16:01
dpmhi trijntje, vdquynh, sianis :-)16:01
dpmlet's see who else is here for the translations meeting16:02
sianiskelemengabor: ping16:03
adiroibano/16:03
dpmhey adiroiban16:03
kelemengaborsianis: pong16:03
dpmso it seems we've got quite a good attendance from different teams today16:04
Malin_Im from Norway16:04
dpmhey Malin_, welcome! how is the Norwegian team doing?16:04
Malin_dpm, I don't know, I was just curious about translating, so I'm not in part of the team ;)16:05
dpmno worries, hopefully you'll learn something new and exciting about translations today :)16:05
sergimateo_o/16:05
dpmso let's get started, shall we?16:05
dpmhey sergimateo_, how's life in l'Hospitalet?16:06
dpm[TOPIC] Review of the Ubuntu Translations policies and best practices16:06
dpmSo as I commented on the mailing list16:06
dpmIt's basically about16:07
dpmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase#Policies16:07
dpmand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase#Guidelines16:07
dpmUnfortunately I haven't had the chance to finish the guidelines yet, so I'll focus on the policies on this meeting16:07
dpmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase#Policies16:07
dpmEssentially, I want to see what you guys think, and if you believe they constitute something we can use as the basis to give some more structure to the project16:07
Malin_yeah I just would take a look :)16:08
dpmfor some teams it will not be any change16:08
dpmbut for others, especially the part of the guidelines, will affect them16:08
dpmfor the best, though :)16:08
dpmI'd like to discuss some of the particular points separately, but first some general feedback, so what do you think?16:09
adiroibandpm: I am worried of one thing... not to have to many documentation pages for translations16:09
adiroibanthere are already a lot of pages and a lot of information16:10
adiroibanthe pages are great16:10
adiroibanbut I am not sure if new teams16:10
adiroibanwill not be turned down by so many requirements16:10
adiroibanI am worried especialy on new teams16:10
adiroibansince they start without knowing anything about translations16:11
adiroibanthey have few resoursec (people/time)16:11
dpmadiroiban, yeah, that's a good point. That was also one of the reasons I tried to keep the policies short and simple as well, and make the guidelines not a requirement for starting the team16:12
adiroibansmall teams < 5 contributors16:12
adiroibanin the Policies section16:12
adiroibanwe have 8 links16:12
adiroibani think we should choose one page that is important for all teams16:13
adiroibanand add it in the header16:13
adiroibanor make it bold16:13
dpmRecently we've started pointing teams out to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam, and I think we could use this. I think as the policies as a reference document16:13
adiroibanor make it blink16:13
adiroiban:)16:13
dpm:-)16:13
dpmI mean, I'd point teams to the policies when they've got questions, e.g. "why does our team needs to be moderated"?16:14
adiroibanStartingTeam is a good page...16:15
adiroibanbut it can get lost among the other 7 links from the policies16:15
dpmadiroiban, what do you think of the above, then? I.e. using the StartingTeam page only and make it prominent in the front Translations page16:15
dpm(which is screaming for a rework, btw :) )16:15
adiroibanI am not sure what is the best sollution16:16
adiroibanI will think about it :)16:17
adiroibanthe idea is to highlight the information that each team coordinator MUST read16:17
adiroibanand make it accesible (easy to find and easy to read)16:17
adiroibanStartingTeam is easy to read16:17
adiroibannot so easy to find16:17
dpmI think I could spend some time simplifying the front page and try to make it more useful and make it easy to find that page, this might be a start16:18
adiroibanputting a link from the start page would be a start16:18
adiroibanKnowledgeBase sound like an place to store info for existing teams16:18
dpmok, so I think that's a good plan to start with, thanks adiroiban16:18
adiroibananother thing, would me mailinglists16:19
adiroibannot sure if we should ask each team to have its own mailinglist16:19
adiroibanthe Romanian l10n team is using the Romanian LoCo team16:19
vdquynhThe problem with mailing-lists is when you get subscribed to so many :-/16:20
adiroibanand we have low traffic16:20
dpmWe're not asking them to have a mailing list, just a communication channel, be it forum, another ML, etc16:20
adiroibanwe mainly use the forum16:20
sianiswe use ubuntu-l10n-hu16:20
dpmyeah, I know the problem vdquynh :-)16:20
adiroibandpm: ok. but then how do we/translators know what comunication channel is used in a team16:22
adiroibanand for that16:22
adiroibanI was thinking16:22
adiroibanto add a requirement16:22
adiroibanto list a set of info on the Launchpad teams page16:22
vdquynhI agree with adiroiban!16:22
trijntjethe dutch team uses a mailinglist16:23
trijntje+1 to contact information on teampage16:23
adiroibandpm: and make this wikipage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/Teams ... distributed on each team LP page16:23
dpmadiroiban, like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/LaunchpadTeam#TeamPage ?16:23
adiroibandpm: yes16:24
dpmok, but just to move forward on that one, we do all agree that we should ask for a communication channel (any) as best practice, don't we?16:25
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adiroibanyes. a communication channe is a must16:26
kelemengaboryeah, every team needs one, be it ml or forum16:27
dpmok, great16:27
dpmadiroiban, what exactly do you mean with making the Contact/Teams page distributed on each team's LP page?16:27
dpmyou mean basically having the info that's there on the team's home page in LP?16:28
adiroibandpm: the information for each row of that table16:28
adiroibanto be find on each teams page16:28
dpmI get you16:28
adiroibanand then delete that wikipage16:28
dpmyeah, I agree16:28
adiroibanas it is redundant16:29
adiroibanand hard to maintain...16:29
dpmok, I agree as well, but I'd like to maintain it until at least the teams there have migrated the info to each team's page16:29
adiroibandpm: sure16:30
adiroibanwe already have some hints about editing the teams LP page on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam16:30
dpmyeah, some of the content there I should just reuse and use Includes16:31
dpmthere is a bit of redundant info on the StartingTeam page16:31
adiroibanyep16:31
dpmbut I wanted to make it easy for new teams to have all important info there16:32
dpmwithout having to click too much around16:32
adiroibanbut it's ok16:32
adiroibanTeam information16:32
adiroibanon Team information16:32
adiroibanit would be nice to have a link to an already existent team16:33
adiroibanas an example16:33
adiroibanen_UK should do the trick... as it will only contain text in english16:33
dpmgood point, I was thinking of the Romanian one, though ;)16:33
dpmthat's a good idea, I should contact the British team to make sure we can use them as an example16:35
adiroibani'm done with the comments for policies... and I invite others to comment :)16:35
dpmyeah, I'd simply like to hear if people are happy with them, if you find them useful and make sure they do not become too much of a burden16:36
dpmwhile at the same time16:36
dpmbeing an improvement16:36
dpmin how the project and teams are run16:37
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vdquynhI have no particular comments on the policies. They're fine. Anyway, I can see that the Vietnamese translation team abides by the rules :-)16:39
dpmthat's great, thanks for the feedback vdquynh :)16:39
trijntjeI think they are fine too, nothing too burocratic16:40
vdquynhWe are rather, IMHO, working loosely as a team, with evryone rather working in its corner, but the final result so far is better than expected and in progress.16:40
vdquynhI was talking of the VN Tanslation team !16:41
dpmthat's great vdquynh. Sometimes a wiki for tracking assignments, and setting goals helps with working more as a team, perhaps you could try that, in case you're not already doing it16:42
dpmanyway, I'm glad to hear that and there seems to be general consensus on the policies16:42
dpmI can think of two other things which might represent a change for some teams: requirement of guidelines and requirement for the team coordinator to be subscribed to the ML16:43
trijntjeI thought that the guidelines you get directed to from launchpad where language specific, but it seems they are language + ubuntu specific?16:44
dpmtrijntje, they are language + translation group specific16:45
adiroibantrijntje: i guess they should be the guidelines for the Ubuntu translation team16:45
dpmso for ubuntu you get directed to the Ubuntu ones for your language16:45
adiroibanbut for example, for Romanian we only have some notes about upstream connection and then link to a general language guidelines16:45
dpmany comments on subscription to the ML? Do you think the traffic on the list is too high to ask coordinators to subscribe? Someone commented me some time ago it might be an idea to have a separate list only for announcements, and ask people to subscribe to that one, but I'm not very keen on the idea16:47
adiroibanthe ubuntu-translators traffic is low (after my standards)16:47
kelemengabordpm: not too high16:47
sianisdpm: it isn't high16:48
adiroibanfor annoucement only we can use a RSS feed16:48
adiroibanor a blog16:48
adiroibanor something16:48
kelemengaborand asking everybody to subscribe is not the same as asking them to read everything ;)16:48
adiroibanbut the ML should encourage discussion and the exchange of ideas/probles/best practices16:48
dpm:)16:49
sianisadiroiban: I think planet is good enough16:49
sianisfor annoucement16:49
adiroibanyep... but i think annoucements where a different issues16:50
adiroibanand we touched this topic in a previos meeting16:50
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dpmok, I already knew we wouldn't have time to cover all topics, so we can postpone the rest for the next meeting or the ML. Any other input on policies, any particular points you'd like to highlight/discuss?16:51
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dpmotherwise we can dedicate the last few mins to Lucid translations Q&A, if there are any questions16:52
adiroibandpm: at least this meeting was more animated than the previous ones16:52
adiroibanso I guess this is a good thing16:52
dpm\o/16:52
adiroiban+ we are always on the #ubuntu-translators16:52
trijntjeI have a general question about upstream: Should translators submit translations from launchpad upstream?16:52
vdquynhI think it is good to request Ubuntu translation team leaders to subscribe to the ubuntu-translators ML !16:52
adiroibanso if someone want to raise an issue we can talk ... at almost any time16:53
adiroibantrijntje: the should...16:54
adiroibanbut is not that easy16:54
dpmtrijntje, in general, yes. You'll find more basic info there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream16:54
adiroibanas it requires extra resources16:54
dpmtrijntje, it is currently not done automatically, so you have to manually export the PO fiels and send them upstream, or translate upstream16:55
trijntjebut cant upstream just fetch the translations form launchpad?16:55
kelemengaboradiroiban: perhaps we could help on this... esp. on this part of the wiki: "Find out where upstream is"16:56
kelemengabortrijntje: they could, as anyone can16:56
kelemengaborbut everybody waits for somebody to do it16:56
adiroibankelemengabor: we can hint them where to send16:56
vdquynhAnyway you would need coordination betwenn the launchpad team and the upstream team (eg GNOME and Firefox and OOo)16:56
kelemengaborso nobody will do it :)16:56
adiroibanbut not all teams for all languages are active16:56
adiroibanand not all have the same process16:56
adiroibankelemengabor: for a „normal” translator it almost imposible to send translation to more than one upstream project16:57
adiroibanas it needs to read a lot of pages16:58
adiroibansubscribe to all kind of different tracking system16:58
kelemengaboradiroiban: I know, this is why even I don't do it16:58
adiroibancomunicate with all kind of persons16:58
trijntjebut the other way around, upstream would also have to fetch it from 10 different places16:59
adiroibantrijntje: yes...16:59
trijntjewell, maybe ill look into it after lucid is done16:59
adiroibanbut right now16:59
adiroibanthere is only Ubuntu doing translations downstream16:59
adiroiban:)16:59
adiroibanso16:59
adiroibanright now16:59
adiroibanupstream will only have to get the translations from their upstream repository + ubuntu repository17:00
dpmtrijntje, yeah, the idea is to automate this at some point in LP, and adapt to each upstream to send them translations, but for now it still needs to be done manually17:00
adiroibantrijntje: and also inside upstream teams there are problems how to send translations17:00
dpmanyway, the meeting is over, but we can continue the discussion at any time on #ubuntu-translators17:01
trijntjeadiroiban, don't suse and arch and fedora etc translate?17:01
dpmThank you everyone for participating17:01
sianisdpm: it this mean, that the export process of LP will b fixed?17:01
adiroibantrijntje: I don't think so17:01
adiroibanthey are only translating their OWN applications17:02
vdquynhOK. Bye everyone. I have work to do for to-morrow and its midnight here in VN !17:02
adiroibanbut they are not translating GNOME or Firefox17:02
dpmsianis, it's on the roadmap: https://dev.launchpad.net/VersionFourDotO/Stories#Translations, but it will take some time to be implemented, for now there's just the idea17:03
dpmSo again, thanks for the great feedback and see you on #ubuntu-translators!17:03
dpmbye everyone!17:04
trijntjebye all17:04
erdalronahibye17:04
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* greg-g waves22:52
* oubiwann waves back22:52
* fader_ embarrassedly half-waves in case anyone were waving at him.22:54
james_whoping it wasn't someone stood behind you?22:55
* dylanmccall is in deep concentration, deciding whether to wave22:55
fader_james_w: Exactly.  I'm trying to be an extroverted geek by staring at your shoes instead of my own. :)22:56
james_w:-)22:56
oubiwannhehe22:56
* akgraner waves o/ to greg-g et al :-)22:56
greg-ghiya akgraner22:56
brettaltonQUESTION: for our interview, do we need the people who gave us testimonials to be in this chatroom during the process??22:56
greg-gbrettalton: no, it is nice if they can be here, but if their testimonial is on your wiki page, you're fine.22:57
brettaltongreg-g: okay, thank you!22:57
akgranerbrettalton, nope they don't have to be but it is always nice to have people in the channel for you..22:57
pleia2hi everyone :)22:57
brettaltonakgraner: thanks!22:58
YoBoYho talking about the membership? :D you ask what type of question for the interview, i need a little preparation to answer in english ^^"22:59
pleia2#startmeeting23:00
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greg-gAmericas meeting for February. The wiki page for the Review Board is23:00
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greg-ghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas23:00
greg-gWe will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.23:00
greg-gThe format for the meeting is as follows:23:01
greg-gWe will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).23:01
greg-gEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.23:01
greg-gDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.23:01
greg-gWhen the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)23:01
greg-gNow, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...23:01
greg-gFlare183 (if you're here), you're up!23:01
pleia2I think not23:02
pleia2I'll drop them an email to remind them that they're on the list23:02
greg-galright then, how about dylanmccall23:02
pleia2[TOPIC] dylanmccall membership23:02
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dylanmccallHi!23:02
dylanmccallSo, as my name suggests, my name is Dylan McCall. My Wiki page is over at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DylanMccall23:03
dylanmccallI have been happily using Ubuntu since (I think) around 2006. I really dove straight in to the fun technical stuff at that point :)23:03
dylanmccallI've keenly followed development since then, especially the blogs and Launchpad infrastructure.23:04
dylanmccallRecently I have become a bit more involved in contributing fixes to bugs and with the Vancouver loco.23:05
nixternalI know dylanmccall's background a bit from the ubiquity slideshow work, in which I am working with shtylman on the Kubuntu side of it, and I know he is here for a while :)  my only questions is this, if you are currently in Vancouver, how cool is the Olympics stuff there? Seeing as us in Chicago, will probably never get to have an Olympics here :)23:05
dylanmccallIt's probably the most people I have ever seen using public transit in Vancouver :)23:06
greg-gcool!23:06
nixternalhehe, and if you ever meet the young lady, that after the USA beat Canada in hockey (rubbing it in just a little bit), that held up the sign "At least we have healthcare", please shake her hand and tell her that was one of the most awesome things I have ever witnessed :)23:07
greg-glooks like you are subscribed to a few blueprints in LP, are you working on much outside of the ubiquity slideshow stuff?23:07
dylanmccallI am, although I've definitely focused mainly on the slideshow for the last while23:08
greg-gdylanmccall: good deal23:09
pleia2[VOTE] dylanmccall membership23:09
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nixternaldylanmccall: http://dylanmccall.blogspot.com/2009/07/w3c-boycottnovell-is-invalid.html  <- by far one of my more favorite posts of yours...23:10
pleia2congrats and welcome, dylanmccall!23:10
h00kHoly cow, I am lagging really bad, apologies if I don't respond to something.23:10
nixternalcongrats and welcome dylanmccall \o/23:10
h00kcongrats, dylanmccall23:10
greg-gcongrats dylanmccall23:10
dylanmccallThanks, folks! :)23:10
evcongratulations dylanmccall!23:10
pleia2[TOPIC] Pendulum membership23:10
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PendulumHiya! (btw, I apologize now as my computer has started acting up so hopefully it'll behave for the next few minutes :) )23:11
PendulumI'm Pendulum or Penelope Stowe23:11
Pendulummy wiki is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Pendulum23:11
nixternalwow Pendulum, all of your testimonials were looking great until I saw akgraner's name in there :p23:11
czajkowskiwhooo Pendulum23:11
czajkowski:D23:11
PendulumI've been using Ubuntu off and on since 200723:11
Pendulummostly I'm involved in Ubuntu Women and I co-organized and lead the first Ubuntu User Day this January23:12
PendulumI'm also involved in Ubuntu NGO as co-head of the Advocacy team and the other main thing I do is work on transcribing the Ubuntu Uk Podcast23:12
greg-gPendulum: can you tell me a little bit more about the AAC project?23:12
Pendulumgreg-g: not much has happened with it yet, we've mostly been researching, but mgdm and I are trying to figure out a way to create an open source alterantive communication aid for people who can't talk23:14
nixternalyeah, that AAC idea looks groovy. I know maco2 is working on an app to teach signing...accessibility love!23:14
mgdmgreg-g: if I may add something here? It's something we've been reading up on, it hasn't developed into actual code yet, but that's entirely my fault23:14
cjohnstonPendulum has been a huge help in the #ubuntu-classroom, and helping to run the first Ubuntu User Day!23:14
Pendulumthis came out of a friend of mine who stopped being able to talk after an operation over the summer and when she was looking as alternative assistive audio devices, they're all incredibly expensive23:14
greg-ggotcha, well, good luck, I'm really interested in this topic23:15
Pendulumand mgdm and I thought "why can't this be done in an open source way on relatively inexpensive hardware?"23:15
Pendulum(I'm also disabled and there's a chance that in the future I'll benefit from such a device myself)23:15
hypa7iaPendulum: i had no idea you were hacking on adaptive tech, that's so awesome :D23:15
nixternalwhy can't I ever come up with cool ideas like that?23:15
czajkowskinixternal: cause you;re trying to find a twitter client and spamming folks :p23:16
Pendulumhypa7ia: we haven't really started the hacking yet, just the research :)23:16
beunoPendulum, what's missing from Ubuntu that you need to add OSX into the mix?23:16
hypa7iaPendulum: ping me after the meeting, we should talk :D23:16
nixternalczajkowski: har har...my ex-wife emailed me today with a "WTF?" hahaha, she got spammed too23:17
Pendulumbeuno: I work in publishing where we heavily depend on Quark and InDesign, also I have yet to find a good speech recognition software on Ubuntu (feel free to reccomend) and due to my disability, sometimes I can't physically type23:17
beunoPendulum, I can't recommend, unfortunately, but it's good to know, thanks23:18
pleia2I think we're about ready to vote, any more cheers for Pendulum?23:18
Pendulumso I use Ubuntu for most things and MacOS for work stuff and when I can't physically access ubuntu23:18
AlanBellyes!23:18
mgdmYes, definitely23:18
IowanI'll cheer23:18
* h00k cheers23:18
* gchick cheers23:18
h00kthree times, at that.23:18
nixternalrock on23:18
popeyo/ cheer for Pendulum23:18
akgranergo Pendulum23:18
czajkowskishe's pretty good and helps when you're swamped23:19
pleia2[VOTE] Pendulum membership23:19
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MamarokCheers also from Pendulum23:19
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Mamarokfrom me,*23:19
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nixternalcongrats and welcome Pendulum \o/23:19
popey\o/ congrats Pendulum23:19
czajkowskiPendulum: whoooo congrats :D23:19
nixternalwoohoo :)23:19
PendulumThank you!!!!!!!23:19
brettaltoncongrats Pendulum!! I can't wait to read about your work in the future. And a delayed congrats to dylanmccall!!23:19
AlanBellyay!23:19
pleia2congrats, Pendulum!23:19
h00kCOngrats!23:19
mgdmPendulum: congratulations :D23:19
greg-gcongrats Pendulum23:19
dylanmccallCongrats, Pendulum! :D23:19
MamarokCongratulation, Pendulum :)23:19
rwwcongrats :)23:19
akgranercongrats Pendulum !23:19
AlanBellPendulum: *hugs*23:19
hypa7iawow, only one minute for voting? :s23:19
maco2woot!23:19
hypa7iacongrats Pendulum :)23:19
nixternalwe are good like that :)23:19
pleia2hypa7ia: the whole present board voted :)23:20
beunohypa7ia, only board memebers vote  ;)23:20
pleia2[TOPIC] h00k membership23:20
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h00kGGreetings, I am Anthony Hook. You can find my wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyHook. I'm involved as the Team Contact in our Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo (Which I just recently got a domain at http://ubuntu-wisconsin.org)23:20
itnet7congrats pendulum!23:20
nixternalwait a second, h00k have you been down to an Ubuntu Chicago event before? you look way to familiar23:20
h00kThe site is still in its infancy and is a work in progress.23:21
h00knixternal: I have not :(23:21
nixternalwe had/have a guy who comes down from Milwaukee and he looks very much the same :)23:21
* exigraff was in chicago, but hasn't been projecting h00k's appearance that he's aware of23:21
nixternalgroovy!23:21
hypa7iapleia2: oops :)23:21
h00knixternal: I have been invited to Madison to talk but haven't yet23:21
nixternalthis is awesome, tony, h00k, Ubuntu Chicago, Ubuntu Michigan...we need to do an Ubuntu Midwest one of these days!23:22
beunoh00k, you say "I am very interested in experiences of new users and in the ways to make it more positive". Care to expand on what you think can be done?23:22
h00kI've been using Ubuntu only for the past three years, I've been more heavily involved (bug reporting and testing various things) in the last few years23:22
greg-git has been discussed, but nothing really happened, nixternal23:22
nixternalh00k: where do you all usually do your get togethers or meetings? I would be down for a road trip, and I could probably get greg-g to come with :)23:22
greg-gh00k: how is the Wisconsin loco doing?23:23
greg-gand, yeah, nixternal is probably right23:23
h00knixternal: That would be fun, our meetings are generally online, but I'd be up for a road trip23:23
h00kbeuno: I believe first-time experiences are important to new users as I've helped quite a number on campus. I think they should have access to help such as the #ubuntu irc channel (which I help out in)23:23
h00kbeuno: I think a community is a very important step in this feeling welcoming process23:24
nixternalI had no clue Wisconsin was starting to take off, seeing as I am only an hour from the border and go up to Door County quite a bit during the summer, and Madison as well for cycling, and then I do T.O.A.D. the Tour of America's Dairyland...great to see WI working it23:24
pleia2h00k: wow, voicecheck seems neat, how is that going?23:24
h00kin a "break the notion that linux is really hard and only for leet hackers" kind of way.23:24
h00kpleia2: so far, it works, and it's only a command-line-app23:25
h00kpleia2: I'd like a gtk implementation soon, I'm learning about python using my new Tux Droid and I would like to add support for that23:25
pleia2h00k: cool :)23:25
h00kgreg-g: not to not-address-your-question: The Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo has had quite  a bit of activity online lately, we had our first meeting (in a few years) a couple weeks ago23:26
greg-gh00k: awesome, how was that meeting?23:26
h00kgreg-g: we are planning on participating in the upcoming Global Jam, we haven't decided which events yet, however.23:26
beunoh00k, I hear quickly is the future for gtk apps23:26
nixternaland I hear qt is the future of mankind :p23:27
exigraffheh23:27
pleia2[VOTE] h00k membership23:27
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h00kgreg-g: the meeting was good, we got quite a few good ideas for things, you can view the notes here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-wi/2010-February/000106.html23:27
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greg-gh00k: thanks :)23:27
rwwtonyyarusso: looks like you don't need to :)23:27
h00ktonyyarusso: welcome!23:27
tonyyarussoHe's done awesome work with LoCos, both Wisconsin and Minnesota.23:27
tonyyarussoBut I will anyway!23:27
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nixternalcongrats and welcome h00k \o/23:28
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beunooh, in that case...  -123:28
pleia2congrats, welcome h00k!23:28
beunoaw, too late23:28
greg-gcongrats, h00k23:28
pleia2beuno: hahah23:28
Pendulumcongrats h00k!23:28
h00kbeuno: Also, quickly is nice, yeah, I have a few hello worlds with it.23:28
rwwcongrats, h00k!23:28
h00kThanks, everyone!23:28
nixternalgreg-g: we do Ubuntu Midwest, get tonyyarusso there, we will have our own cycling team23:28
brettaltoncongrats h00k!23:28
h00kand tonyyarusso, you too!23:28
exigraffh00k: congrats, sir.23:28
h00kThanks :D23:28
h00k\o23:28
beunowelcome h00k!23:28
pleia2[TOPIC] rww membership23:28
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tonyyarussonixternal: That would be fun - we could do a cross-region Ubuntu bicycle relay, handing off a ceremonial Live CD to each rider as they cross their state!23:28
itnet7congrats h00k!23:29
rwwhi!23:29
h00kthanks, itnet7!23:29
rwwHello! I'm Robert (also known by my initials, rww). I've been doing Ubuntu advocacy and user technical support on IRC and in "real life" for almost a year and a half now.23:29
tonyyarussonixternal: actually, that seems like a pretty cool idea for real...hm23:29
rwwHello! I'm Robert (also known by my initials, rww). I've been doing Ubuntu advocacy and user technical support on IRC and in "real life" for almost a year and a half now.23:29
rww... eep23:29
rwwI've been with the California LoCo team since December of 2008 and have helped to plan and participated in numerous events. I also do administrative work on our team wiki, mailing list, and IRC channel.23:29
rwwSupport-wise, I've been helping out in #ubuntu and elsewhere in the #ubuntu* namespace since autumn of 2008.23:30
rwwMy wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertWall has a bunch more details :)23:30
* maco2 sends cheers for rww too23:30
rww(oh, and I hear you got a mailing list testimony about me also)23:31
tonyyarussoI've also witnessed rww on the IRC support side of that - somehow he manages to patiently work with users without losing his mind, which is awesome!23:31
nixternalnice testimonials by menza and nhaines :)23:31
nixternalrww: oh yeah, thanks.../me looks23:31
Pendulumis also in in support of rww23:31
RedSingularityMeeting still in session?23:31
h00kI'd like to put in a good word supporting rww as well. He is a great community member in the IRCland.23:31
* rww blushes23:31
akgranerrww was helping the LoCo team booth at SCaLE and last year at OSCON as well and he also participated in the ubucon at SCaLE as well23:32
Yasumotorww is a huge contributor to Ubuntu California, sometimes he's the only reason things get done :)23:32
nixternalooh, even flannel had nice things to see....rock on23:32
beunorww, what's the nicest thing about the ubuntu community?23:33
nixternalplease say me!23:34
pleia2lol23:34
h00knixternal: you stole my line :(23:34
tonyyarusso("The lovely people of the Ubuntu Americas Board, *batbat*")23:34
rwwbeuno: "I am what I am because of everyone." I think this community embodies more than any other I've seen, and it's really motivated me to continue participating in it :)23:34
rww(also nixternal)23:34
nixternalwoohoo!23:34
beunosee, that, besides "the americas board", was the perfect answer23:35
greg-gwell done23:35
pleia2[VOTE] rww membership23:35
maco2rww is one of the people trying to make #ubuntu-offtopic a little more sane23:35
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pleia2welcome rww!23:35
nixternalooh, I accidentally typed a -1 at first...thank god I caught that before hitting enter23:35
greg-gcongrats rww23:35
pleia2now where are we going for beers? :)23:35
nixternalcongrats and welcome rww \o/23:35
itnet7Congratulations rww !!!23:35
Pendulumcongrats rww!23:35
maco2yay!23:35
rwwYay! Thanks everyone :)23:35
h00krww: welcome!23:35
brettaltonsweet, congrats rww23:35
akgranercongrats rww!!23:36
exigraffrww: grats!23:36
pleia2[TOPIC] brettalton membership23:36
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brettaltonHi everyone! My name is Brett Alton and I am (was?) a professional web developer, now computer science student, studying in Canada. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrettAlton23:37
brettaltonI have been using Ubuntu as my main desktop since Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger), but was introduced to Linux with Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog).23:37
nixternalOh Canada! in the house tonight!23:38
brettaltonI have made a number of contributions to the Ubuntu community including installing Ubuntu on 50+ desktops and 10+ servers (meaning professionally), contributed to thousands of Ubuntu Forum posts (questions and responses), brainstorm ideas, bug reports, feature requests, blog posts and other discussions.23:38
brettaltonI am currently helping the GetDeb.net project with user interface work and am developing a website for Martin Owens' Ground Control, while keeping an eye on FOSS/Ubuntu/Debian/GNOME development with many many RSS feeds.23:38
brettaltonLastly, I have been writing scripts for Ubuntu since 2007 (hosted on my personal website http://brettalton.com and Ubuntu Forums) and use Ubuntu as my primary development desktop for professional, casual and eduational work.23:38
brettaltonnixternal: and we will beat the US for gold in hockey, don't you worry :)23:38
nixternaljcastro: ^^23:38
nixternallets get um!23:38
brettaltonI am looking forward to helping the Ubuntu community in the future, first by becoming an Ubuntu Member, becoming a certified Ubuntu Professional, getting my CS degree and eventually working for Canonical or for a Linux-related company!!23:39
beunobrettalton, "# I want to see Ubuntu with at least 10% of the desktop market share". That won't fix bug #1!23:39
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)23:39
nixternalbeuno: nothing is going to fix bug #1, well nothing legally at least :)23:40
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)23:40
brettaltonbeuno: Fixing bug #1 will take a lot of work, from programming to legal issues, to changing the mindsets of millions of people... I'm trying to be a realist!23:40
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)23:40
* rww pats ubottu 23:40
nixternaloops, forgot about that :)23:40
brettaltonespecially with the IPAA telling Indonesia that they're pretty much communists because they suggest open source for their government operations... http://bit.ly/bzLSEH23:41
nixternalso, did you bribe martin with the web design to get a good testimonial? :p23:41
beunobrettalton, what do you feel is lacking the most in ubuntu server?23:41
nixternalthe work that getdeb is doing I have to praise, as I know a ton of people who absolutely love the site and what it is doing to help...one of these days maybe we can sucker them more into ubuntu :)23:42
brettaltonbeuno: because I used/installed/supported LAMP for so long, I think a graphical interface to setting up a server is a big issue.23:42
brettaltonI worked for a school board where they used Windows Server specifically because it had a GUI23:42
brettaltonrapache is a good first step, but we need Canonical backing23:42
brettaltonthat being said, I had GUI on the server23:42
beunobrettalton, why do you feel you need Canonical backing?23:42
pleia2a gui on the server? gasp :)23:42
brettaltonbeuno: I just mean it needs more professional support, rather than a couple hackers.23:43
brettaltonbeuno: and I think it needs to be an option for users when they want to install a server23:43
brettaltonto have all the tools sitting there ready for them to use if they want a GUI23:43
nixternaloh nice... brettalton I have used your rsynch over ssh script in the past :)  nice to meet ya23:43
brettaltonnixternal: thanks!23:44
brettaltonI used that professional for a couple companies and they love it!23:44
brettaltonprofessionally*23:44
beunobrettalton, you can have a solid project and included in ubuntu server with no Canonical involvment23:44
beunodon't let that delay any plans  ;)23:44
brettaltonbeuno: I don't doubt that for a second, I mean it just needs integration on the server CD or as a separate ISO23:44
nixternal" Wrote a 4-part series in Full Circle Magazine regarding Web Development in Ubuntu"   <- which I very much enjoyed btw23:45
brettaltonAll i mean is I'd like to see it as a viable option for those who want it, instead of another desktop environment like Ubuntu/Kubunty/Xubuntu/Lubuntu, etc.23:45
pleia2[VOTE] brettalton membership23:45
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nixternalcongrats and welcome brettalton \o/23:46
brettaltonthanks everyone!23:46
pleia2welcome, congrats brettalton!23:46
greg-gcongrats brettalton23:46
Pendulumcongrats brettalton!23:46
pleia2we have to wrap this up in 14 minutes, so I think we're only going to have time for one more23:46
greg-galright folks, I think we have time for one more (many board members have to leave at the top of the hour)23:47
greg-gwhat pleia2 said :)23:47
pleia2PabloRubianes, you about?23:47
PabloRubianeshi23:47
pleia2[TOPIC] PabloRubianes membership23:47
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PabloRubianesHello I am Pablo Rubianes from Montevideo Uruguay23:47
PabloRubianesmy wiki is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PabloRubianes23:47
h00kcontrats, brettalton!23:48
PabloRubianesI am a computer engineering student, I am part of Uruguay's LoCo Community Council and I a ubuntu Beginners Team member23:48
brettaltonh00k: thanks! I sure wrote a handful and didn't even get to the topics I wanted to speak on! Oh well, I'm in! :)23:49
nixternalwow, looks like you have been pretty busy PabloRubianes23:49
PabloRubianesso so nixternal :D23:49
nixternalyou are an answer providing junkie from the looks of it :)23:49
cjohnstonPabloRubianes did a great job as one of two who organized the Spanish version of Ubuntu User day.. I think he would be a great asset to the ubuntu membership!23:49
beunoPabloRubianes, hola! I see you do quite a bit of translations, have you thought about applying for the official spanish translators team>23:49
nixternalgroovy cjohnston!23:49
PabloRubianesbeuno: I don't know because is not something I love... but i like to help several projects as Ground control23:50
beunoyou shouldn't do things you don't love23:50
nixternalnow that is a great answer23:50
h00kbrettalton: Yeah, i could have answered a ton of questions, too.23:50
nixternali know a few who would have come up with an excuse for that one, including me probably :)23:51
PabloRubianesI hope to develop something in the near future and keep with the progress with the spanish speaking community23:51
beunoPabloRubianes, how is open source in the government looking with the new president?23:51
PabloRubianesgreat23:51
PabloRubianeshe is going to go on with Plan Ceibal (OLPC)23:51
brettaltonPabloRubianes: Watch out for the new Ground Control website... I'm making it!23:51
PabloRubianesand we the loco team are about to get an interview with him... hoping so...23:52
beunoPabloRubianes, wow, that sounds interesting23:52
PabloRubianesbrettalton: I have to see that23:52
PabloRubianeswe have high hopes to get Approved as a Official Loco this year also23:52
pleia2cool :)23:53
nixternalawesome!23:53
pleia2[VOTE] PabloRubianes membership23:53
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nixternalcongrats and welcome PabloRubianes \o/23:53
pleia2congrats PabloRubianes! :)23:53
PabloRubianesthanks!!!!23:53
greg-gcongrat PabloRubianes23:53
beunoPabloRubianes, how many ubuntu members from uruguay, with you included?23:53
Pendulumcongrats PabloRubianes!23:53
PabloRubianesI think I am the only one who lives here...23:53
greg-galright, I need to run, congrats to all the new members and thanks for all your contributions (and FUTURE CONTRIBUTIONS) to Ubuntu!23:53
akgranercongrats PabloRubianes23:53
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pleia2thanks everyone :)23:54
beunoPabloRubianes, doble felicitaciones entonces23:54
Pendulumgreg-g: thank you!23:54
PabloRubianesthere's an uruguayan ubuntu member who lives in central america23:54
PabloRubianesYes very happy!!!23:54
nhainescongratulations to all!23:54
PabloRubianeshope to encourage more uruguayans!23:54
brettalton... so what happens now??23:54
brettaltoncongrats PabloRubianes!23:54
brettaltonwhat happens now, as in that we are Ubuntu Members...23:55
PabloRubianesthanks brettalton23:55
tonyyarussobrettalton: You keep doing the awesome stuff you were doing before.23:56
nixternaloubiwann:, RedSingularity, fader_, Yasumoto:  2 weeks from right now, Thursday March 11, 2010 @ 23:00 UTC, we will meet in here again and get you processed for membership23:56
fader_nixternal: Excellent, thank you!23:56
beunobrettalton, pleia2 will take care of you in a little while23:56
Yasumotonixternal: sounds great, thank you :)23:56
oubiwannnixternal: sweet -- thanks!23:56
brettaltonokay, thanks everyone!23:56
nixternallooks like another good group next week too....very exciting!23:56
* beuno waves at all the awesome new members23:56
nixternalerr, in 2 weeks I mean :)23:56
RedSingularityVery good.  Thanks!23:57
h00kThank you, everyone.23:57
dylanmccallThank you! :)23:57
PabloRubianes:D23:57

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