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yotuxI saw request for help with Nvidia Drivers I would like to help out00:30
RAOFWhich request?  Nouveau or the binary nvidia drivers?00:32
yotuxproprietary drivers, so I think binary00:33
yotuxSorry I failed to read who to email00:34
brycehyotux, contact ara00:46
yotuxam going to do so thank you00:47
tjaaltonbryceh: merged mesa 7.7-4, though it pulled from the stable branch and probably would need some paperwork03:54
tjaaltondidn't upload of course due to a303:55
brycehtjaalton, ok03:58
tjaaltondo you think we need standing FFe's for mesa & xserver? there's 7.7.1 coming late March and 1.7.6 "some time"04:01
brycehtjaalton, as long as we can justify them as bug-fix only releases, I think we're covered by the point release policy04:13
brycehtjaalton, although it couldn't hurt to do an FFe anyway if you think it'd help to have added visibility on them04:14
tjaaltonbryceh: alright, maybe when those point-releases happen then :)04:16
brycehbtw, I've started tagging bugs by the release they were reported against, so when looking at bugs we can query for has_tag==lucid04:17
tjaaltonis there a tag for edgers=04:18
tjaalton?04:18
brycehno, but there probably should be04:18
brycehdo you like 'edgers'?  I can add that to the processor04:18
tjaaltonit's alright I guess04:20
brycehdone04:20
brycehthe script runs once a week on saturday04:21
tjaaltonok04:23
bryceh1.6.4 feels sooo old04:36
tjaaltonancient..04:38
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toabctlcan anybody help with bug #527912 ?18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 527912 in xf86-input-wacom "Wacom Bamboo CTH-661 not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52791218:08
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tjaaltontoabctl: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4B3A8A6B.20205%40openwebboard.org&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss19:09
toabctltjaalton, why do you know that the kernel component doesn't support the tablet?19:11
tjaaltontoabctl: because the id isn't listed there19:12
toabctlok19:12
tjaaltonnone of the new bamboo's are19:16
toabctlhm. shit19:22
Sarvatttjaalton: i'm pretty sure mesa shouldn't require a FFe, i dont see any new features since our snapshot just bugfixes? xserver probably would though since it reenables the record extension though then again thats just fixing something that was broken.. :D kklimonda: got a dmesg from it failing with the newer nouveau? I added the no firmware required patch to that one19:34
tseliotSarvatt: what change in mesa?19:36
Sarvatt7.7-4 from 7.7-319:36
tseliotok19:37
Sarvattmaybe we should drop mach64 since its not in the kernel and would save ~1MB of cd space19:39
Sarvattif squashfs compresses similar to gzip -9 that is19:40
Sarvattmakes almost no difference in the deb size since its lzma but its about 930k at gzip -919:40
Sarvattit required building the drm kernel modules from libdrm 2.4.15 or older and all that was dropped from libdrm19:41
tjaaltonSarvatt: ok19:41
tjaaltonis the cd-size an issue still?19:42
Sarvatti see them talking about dropping language packs all the time in -devel and not being able to fit french or german right now19:43
jcristauSarvatt: seems sane to me..19:43
tjaaltonheh, ok19:43
Sarvatti810 and sis i'm unsure about too, i never was able to get sis to work at all but I havent found any more info on it19:46
kklimondaSarvatt: I got nothing in dmesg but there was a "CtxProg is still running" message printed on vt along with some other message - I didn't have a camera to make screenshot and couldn't get it to display again later so I guess it doesn't help :)19:57
kklimondaSarvatt: no - wait, I have it19:58
kklimondaSarvatt: http://pastebin.com/u3yLdEvW - SAK is from me trying to get some response from system :)19:59
brycehSarvatt, -sis we should keep; I periodically get bug reports on it so someone must use it20:14
brycehi810 can go, that's long obsolete20:14
brycehI think with disk space, the dropping of Gimp bought a bit of breathing room, but we're adding nouveau bits now so if there's stuff we can excise from the cd it'd be a nice thing to do20:15
brycehand of course debdiffs welcome :-)20:15
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toabctltjaalton, in xf86-input-wacom-0.10.4/src/wcmUSB.c are some lines like:{ 0xD3, 2540, 2540, &usbBamboo     }, /* CTL-660 */20:24
toabctlbut there is no line for the cth-66120:24
toabctli would like to add a line but i don't know what the 3 parameters stand for.20:25
tjaaltontoabctl: so the cth-661 and ctl-660 share the same id20:28
tjaaltonno need to change anything20:28
tjaaltonlinuxwacom has the needed kernel bits20:29
tjaaltontoo bad that the git repo doesn't20:29
toabctltjaalton, linuxwacom==linuxwacom-0.8.4 ? and git==xf86-input-wacom? right?20:30
jcristaufor the kernel, git == linux-2.6.git, i guess20:30
toabctltjaalton, i don't know where to find the kernel module for wacom20:31
tjaaltonwacom-kernel git actually20:31
tjaaltontoabctl: get the linuxwacom tarball20:34
tjaalton0.8.5-1020:34
toabctltjaalton, and there's the code for the kernel module? (the code organisation looks very confusing for me)20:35
tjaaltonyes (and it is)20:35
toabctltjaalton, and where can i find the kernel driver in the ubuntu repository?20:38
jcristaucomes with your kernel.  /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/input/tablet/wacom.ko20:39
tjaaltonright20:41
toabctljcristau, and how to find out from which source this module was build? from 0.8.4? or 0.8.5.10 ?20:41
tjaaltontoabctl: what came with the kernel20:41
tjaaltonlinuxwacom used to ship the code as well20:42
tjaaltonsee what version it declares20:42
tjaaltonin the linuxwacom kernel source20:42
toabctltjaalton, so the module is shiped by the mainline kernel? it's not a ubuntu patch?20:42
tjaaltonright20:42
toabctlah. ok. 20:42
tjaaltonthe kernel code was split into wacom-kernel git, but seems like it's not being updated20:45
toabctltjaalton, and how do i know which kernel version i need for linuxwacom-0.8.5-10? this version doesn't compile for me..20:52
tjaaltontoabctl: you don't want or need to compile the whole of linuxwacom20:53
tjaaltondiff the kernel code and patch the kernel sources, or just copy the files and then build the kernel20:53
toabctltjaalton, thanks for the help. but i think it's to complex for me to fix it.21:25
tjaaltontoabctl: :)21:25
toabctltjaalton, do you think it's a big thing or will tha tablet be supported in some weeks? or no idea?21:26
tjaaltontoabctl: I'm not sure it'll be supported in lucid at all, tbh21:27
tjaaltonjudging by what was said on #ubuntu-kernel earlier21:27
toabctltjaalton, ok. thanks a lot for the help and information!21:27
superm1tseliot, is it intended that users are switched from nvidia->nouveau on karmic->lucid upgrade?21:31
superm1i just upgraded one of my installs two days ago and this happened to me21:32
tseliotsuperm1: I don't think so21:32
superm1would it be expected if I had nvidia-glx-195 installed (rather than -190) though?21:32
superm1er -190 rather than -185 that is21:33
bjsnideralso, what happens to the nvidia-xxx-libvdpau package in such a situation?21:34
superm1i can file a bug with whatever logs came up for this to help diagnose21:35
superm1but i suspect it's the same thing that will happen to anyone using that ppa of yours bjsnider 21:35
superm1would the appropriate thing be 'ubuntu-bug update-manager' to grab all such logs?21:35
bjsnidersuperm1, you were using the 190 driver out of my ppa?21:36
superm1bjsnider, i'm not sure if it was your PPA or the ~mythbuntu PPA.  it's basically the same packaging either way though21:36
tseliotsuperm1: we have 195 in Lucid now and, unless your package was epoched it should have gone well21:37
superm1certainly wasn't21:37
bjsnidertseliot, why not add a conflicts: nvidia-xxx-libvdpau to nvidia-current?21:38
superm1but nvidia-glx-185 might not have been installed 21:38
superm1because of it being named differently in the ppa's21:38
superm1so the upgrade process might not have known what to do about it21:38
tseliotsuperm1: I guess my packages only replace nvidia-glx-18521:38
superm1well i'll file the bug when i get home and we can all look and see what's possible for a solution21:39
superm1i'm certain there's lots of users using these PPAs for newer drivers, so it would be best to try to cover as many of them as possible21:39
superm1even if the solution is pushing something new to those PPAs for people to upgrade to before the upgrade21:39
bjsnideri could do that21:40
superm1it was certainly a poor experience when i tried to go play a recording and the machine just hung there because it couldn't find a suitable vdpau backend anymore :)21:40
bjsnidersuperm1, you mean it went to nouveau without you realizing it at the time?21:41
superm1bjsnider, yup21:41
superm1i mean there wasn't any tell-tale signs since i didn't use 3d, and i still had 1080p being output21:41
superm1i only used the video playback acceleration of vdpau21:42
bjsnidernouveau must work pretty well on your hardware21:42
bjsnideryou wouldn've had kms too21:42
superm1i didn't pay attention to the bootup - the tv was off, so i have no idea if KMS was working21:43
superm1i did notice the redraws were a little slow in the menus though21:43
bjsnidersuperm1, what is the difference between mythbuntu and mythtv?21:44
superm1bjsnider, mythbuntu is a preconfigured installation with lots of things to better integrate with the OS setup for you21:44
superm1and extra tools for configuration of other pieces that aren't part of mythtv either21:45
superm1you can certainly add any of them to an ubuntu install though21:45
bjsnidersuch as what extra things?21:45
superm1mythbuntu-control-center is the biggest21:45
superm1it's kinda a one-stop shop for configuration of anything HTPC related on the box21:45
bjsniderso it's supposed to integrate with ubuntu better than mythtv by itself would?21:45
superm1well all the stuff is in the ubuntu archive, so you can achieve the same results yourself by installing all the pieces if you want21:46
superm1the stuff on the PPA's is just daily builds of mythtv21:46
bjsnideri see21:48
superm1some of the goals of the ubuntu desktop clash with what you would normally use an HTPC for too, so this only gives you the components you're gonna need for HTPC usage21:48
bjsnideris it built for multiple distros?21:48
superm1No, it's ubuntu only21:49
tseliotsuperm1: what's the PPA?21:49
superm1our cdimages are produced on cdimages.ubuntu.com etc 21:49
superm1tseliot, the ~mythbuntu PPA?21:49
tseliotsuperm1: the one with the nvidia packages21:49
bjsnidersuperm1, i mean different ubuntu distros, like jaunty, intrepid etc.21:49
superm1tseliot, it was either this https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/trunk-0.22 or the vdpau ppa21:49
tseliotBTW I made 195 available in my proprietary drivers PPA21:49
superm1bjsnider, oh yeah it's been since 7.1021:49
bjsnidercool21:50
superm1project is a few years old now21:50
bjsnidernvidia-current is the 195 at this point isn't it?21:50
superm1i'm pretty sure our nvidia-graphics-drivesr-190 on that PPA came from the vdpau PPA21:50
tseliotbjsnider: yep21:50
superm1it was just put here because mythtv had to be built against libvdpau for it to work21:51
bjsnidersuperm1, i just updated it last week or something. i hope you're staying current with it21:51
tseliotsuperm1: maybe it was some libvdpau that caused the problem? I'm too tired to tell ;)21:51
superm1tseliot, i haven't even reviewed the logs yet.  i was still sorting out other upgrade problems21:52
bjsnideragainst ibvdpau?21:52
superm1i'll get the bug filed tonight with all the pieces21:52
bjsnidermy driver doesn't install it, i use the external package21:52
superm1bjsnider, no it hasn't been updated.  is it something important?21:52
bjsniderwhich 190 is it? is it .42?21:53
superm1190.5321:53
bjsniderthat driver does not come with libvdpau anymore21:53
bjsnideronly the nvidia vdpau driver is packaged in that one21:54
superm1yeah, hence we have the external libvdpau on that PPA too21:54
superm1and that's what mythtv had to build against21:54
bjsnideroh, ok21:54
superm1particularly libvdpau-dev21:54
bjsniderwel, hte most recent update added execstack in karmic, updated prerm/postrm scripts, basically in line with the standard karmic package21:55
superm1okay so for the users, if they're up and working probably not critical stuff21:55
bjsniderno21:56
bjsniderbut whatever, a lot of them probably use the vdpau ppa21:56
tjaaltonbryceh: hey, shouldn't the apport hook links be named according to the source package?21:56
bjsniderwe don't have any stats or numbers of any kind do we?21:56
superm1i dont think so, but that would be awfully nice21:58
superm1it would help  to know which PPAs to give priority to keeping more stable21:58
bjsnideri know ppa usage stats were proposed at one point21:58
bjsnideri'd like to know how many people are using old distros, because i think it's a lot21:58
brycehtjaalton, for manual reporting, yes21:58
bjsnideri get emails from jaunty and even intrepid people all the time21:58
brycehtjaalton, for crash detection it needs to be against the binary package21:59
brycehtjaalton, did you spot an inconsistency?21:59
tjaaltonbryceh: yeah, there's no xf86-input-evtouch, -wacom..22:00
tjaaltonprobably others too22:00
brycehtjaalton, heh, I just happened to fix a whole bunch just yesterday22:01
brycehtjaalton, unreleased but check the xorg git tree22:02
tjaaltonyou removed xf86-input-evtouch and wacom-tools?22:02
brycehtjaalton, a second set of eyes to doublecheck that everything's correct would help22:02
tjaaltoner, evtouch was renamed22:02
brycehwell, replaced it with source_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.py22:03
tjaaltonbut the source package is xf86-input-wacom :)22:03
tjaaltonso maybe they both need to be there, for crashers and manual stuff22:03
tjaaltonwacom-tools is good to go, since lucid doesn't have it anymore22:04
bryceh$ apt-cache search wacom  22:04
brycehxserver-xorg-input-wacom - X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver22:04
brycehweird.22:04
brycehanyway yeah feel free to add whatever to the x11-common.links file22:05
tjaaltonthat's the binary package22:05
brycehI don't look at updating it as often as I probably should22:05
tjaaltonapt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-wacom |grep Source22:05
tjaaltonyeah I'll add those22:06
BUGabundoboas noutes22:21
tjaaltontoabctl: usb.ids is missing a bunch of wacoms, like all the intuos4's22:27
tjaaltonbut it has nothing to do with the funcionality of the driver22:28
tjaalton+t22:28
toabctltjaalton, but it's a first step, isn't it?22:28
tjaaltontoabctl: no, it's a "good to have for a nicer lsusb output", but that's it22:28
tjaaltonmy intuos4 works just fine without that22:29
toabctltjaalton, ah.ok22:29
toabctltjaalton, your intuos4 works with lucid?22:29
tjaaltonyes22:29
toabctlthen i know what to buy next :)22:29
toabctltjaalton, the newest kernel driver for wacom is available in the wacom-kernel git in drivers/input/tablet, right?22:31
tjaaltontoabctl: no, it's not updated yet. it's in the latest linuxwacom tarball22:31
toabctltjaalton, in which directory? the names ended with 2.6.2722:32
tjaaltonthere22:32
tjaaltondiff it against the ones in 2.6.33 and you see what has changed22:33
tjaaltonhmm, there's thel linuxwacom cvs too22:34
tjaalton-l22:34
toabctllol22:34
tjaaltonhttp://linuxwacom.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/linuxwacom/linuxwacom-dev/22:35
tjaaltonthe commits are really messy.. "Updated new Bamboo support and fix a tablet rotation issue22:38
tjaalton"22:38
toabctltjaalton, i installe the latest xorg driver now (xf86-input-wacom-0.10.4) and the kernel module from linuxwacom-0.8.5-10 and when i insert the tablet now, i got in /var/log/message:22:38
toabctlFeb 25 23:37:19 zitrone kernel: [ 8308.664191] usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 322:38
toabctlFeb 25 23:37:25 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.380103] usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 422:38
toabctlFeb 25 23:37:25 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.546334] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice22:38
toabctlFeb 25 23:37:26 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.553354] input: Wacom BambooFun 2FG 6x8 Pen2 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.0/input/input1822:38
toabctlFeb 25 23:37:26 zitrone kernel: [ 8315.568645] input: Wacom BambooFun 2FG 6x83 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb3/3-1/3-1:1.1/input/input1922:38
tjaaltonthat also includes support for intuos4 OLEDS22:38
tjaaltonok, that's better22:39
toabctland something happen when i move my finger over the tablet and when i press anywhere. but it's not usable..22:39
tjaaltonwhat does udevadm info --export-db show now?22:39
tjaaltonor the Xorg.0.log?22:39
tjaaltondoes the pen work?22:40
brycehtjaalton, btw do you know why it is that debian renames xf86 -> xserver-xorg ?22:40
tjaaltonbryceh: no..22:41
tjaaltontakes longer to type?-)22:41
brycehseems to me that for consistency sake, -evtouch and -wacom ought to be renamed to match22:41
toabctlthe pen works more or less (maybe it's me who don't know how to use)22:41
tjaaltonyes, but they are not maintained by xsf22:41
brycehotherwise I wonder why not just go with xf86- and become consistent with upstream22:41
brycehtjaalton, are they ubuntu-only packages?22:42
tjaaltonthey are going to be merged to the server anyway, so22:42
tjaaltonbryceh: no, -evtouch is maintained by malattia, -wacom by ron22:42
tjaaltontoabctl: ok, that's great then22:42
toabctltjaalton, here's the output of udevadm info22:43
tjaaltontoabctl: do you have the module somewhere? if it's i386 and built for the -14-generic kernel I might try it on mine22:43
toabctlhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/384000/22:43
toabctltjaalton, yes arch=i386 and the newest kernel from repository22:44
toabctland i updated the package of xf86-input-wacom with uupdate22:44
toabctli'll write it down in the bug report how to fix it.22:45
tjaaltontoabctl: hmm it loads synaptics and evdev too22:45
toabctldo you want to have the kernel module?22:45
tjaaltonso maybe the udev rules need an update22:45
tjaaltonyes please22:45
tjaaltonone more test before I pass out :)22:45
tjaaltontoabctl: well?22:49
toabctltjaalton, https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/+junk/bamboo22:49
toabctltjaalton, can i finetune the response of the tablet anyway?22:49
tjaaltontoabctl: it loads the wrong driver for it22:49
tjaaltonthe touch function that is. I see synaptics being loaded22:50
tjaaltoncould be that wacom doesn't support that yet22:50
toabctltjaalton, ah. so new udev rules should fix this?22:50
tjaaltonI don't know, check the wacom lists22:50
toabctltjaalton, the pen only work if i don't touch the tablet. i have to "fly" over the tablet with the pen22:51
tjaaltonthat's probably evdev then22:51
tjaaltonyes you could try to fix the udev rules22:51
toabctltjaalton, should i report a bug against the actual kernel? is it possible that the new driver from linuxwacom will be merged into the ubuntu lucid kernel?22:53
tjaaltonI get an error "invalid module format"22:53
toabctltjaalton, i build with generic-pae kernel22:53
tjaaltontoabctl: I added the linux task already22:53
tjaaltonok, I don't have pae here22:53
tjaaltonanyway, that's ok22:53
toabctltjaalton, i filled already a bugreport to debian that they should update xf86-input-wacom to 0.10.422:54
tjaaltonand I'm not sure if this will be added to lucid22:54
tjaaltonheh, good luck22:54
toabctltjaalton, why? because ron don't answer?22:54
tjaaltontoabctl: if he thought 0.10.4 was worth it, it would've been packaged already I think22:55
tjaaltonbut he's right most of the time too22:55
toabctlok22:56
tjaaltonthe current one is patched, since vanilla 0.10.3 didn't work properly22:56
toabctltjaalton, to get the pen working correct, what i have to do?22:59
tjaaltonnot load evdev for it22:59
toabctltjaalton, and how to do that?22:59
tjaaltonie. make it match in the wacom udev rules22:59
toabctlwith udev?22:59
toabctlok22:59
tjaaltonso it doesn't fall through the cracks so that the evdev rules catch it23:00
tjaaltonanyway, been up 20h already and can't sit straight anymore. night!23:00
toabctltjaalton, bye and thanks a lot!!!23:01
toabctltjaalton, you are my hero!:-)23:01
Sarvattbryceh: I was talking about the mesa dri drivers, sorry23:05

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