[02:52] guys i have a problem with my monitor [13:24] morning all [14:51] Morning all [15:51] ogra: btw, quick note on something we discussed a while ago. iBus works correctly even for localapps. [15:51] ogra: it's clearly doing some magic somewhere but it's working very nicely here. [15:51] cool [15:52] ogra: I'll have someone come to our office this afternoon to confirm that Chinese is working properly (as I don't really understand it) :) [15:52] that's for one of my customer in China that'll be running laptop, desktops, thin clients and remote NX access on Karmic with Chinese input and interface [15:52] sweet ! [15:52] yep [15:54] stgraber, now that both you and ogra are here, can I just change that passthrough debconf method back to noninteractive, like debian has it? I think ogra says that it was never actually implemented, so we can just save ourselves from all the error messages. I tried with the debian plugin and it worked fine, and we still have time to check if that affects the alternate cd somehow. [15:54] nono, i didnt say that [15:55] i said it was used in ltsp-client-builder on the CD [15:55] just that ltsp-client-builder was never properly finished :) [15:55] ltsp-client-builder makes some use of passthrough, it will show a lot less progress if you use noninteractive there [15:56] Ah, sorry, misunderstood. But I did get the meaning right, right? I.e. that we can change it back to noninteractive... [15:56] But now it just shows 50 % and then 100%... [15:56] There's a bug filed for that [15:57] well, i would do it that way: [15:57] define a variable that can replace the debconf frontend in the code dynamically and default to noninteractive [15:58] if someone ever goes to fix the d-i module he will want to have passthrough available [15:58] so there you can then export that variable [15:58] well, if DEBCONF_FRONTEND is set, we keep it, else we default to noninteractive - does that sound ok? [15:58] no, because d-i might set soemthing completely different [15:59] dont use DEBCONF_FRONTEND [15:59] definae something else [15:59] DEBCONF_FRONTEND=${SOMETHINGELSE:-noninteractive} [15:59] that should be in the ltsp-build-client plugin [16:00] Won't ltsp-client-builder be "in charge" of setting that SOMETHINGELSE variable? Why would it be better than saving/restoring DEBCONF_FRONTEND? [16:00] ltsp-client-builder can then set SOMETHINGELSE to whatever it wants [16:00] I.e. DEBCONF_FRONTEND=passthrough ltsp-build-client [16:00] ...that'll save/restore the DEBCONF_FRONTEND value after the ltsp-build-client call... [16:01] well, try it [16:01] But how would I try it on the alternate cd? [16:02] I mean, shouldn't we change it, and test on a daily image if it works? [16:02] by changing it inside the CD :) [16:02] its very tricky [16:02] Hmmm casper allows read/write, but what about the alternate? [16:02] Ah, you mean to unzip/rezip the .iso? [16:02] it doesnt [16:02] yeah [16:03] fiddle with the iso [16:03] as i said, very tricky and very time consuming [16:03] Hmmm I'd still go for the daily image, to save me some hours :) [16:03] thats why i gave up on it ... i missed the time [16:03] (which I currently don't have :D) [16:03] We're still in alpha3, can't we just try it? [16:04] Just to let people know, I'm expiring from the irc ops [16:05] irc ops for edubuntu? why? [16:05] I have absolutely no desire to be an op for #edubuntu [16:05] But why? :) [16:06] What if someone comes here and starts misbehaving? Who're we going to turn to? [16:06] I'll let others handle that, I've got enough on my plate as it is :) [16:07] Oh com'on, it's not like it needs your attention every day... :) [16:07] It's nice to have a trusted person as an op, even if we never actually need him [16:09] sbalneav, well, it comes in handy if you have a troll [16:09] * ogra is usually not around after 9pm UTC [16:17] hi all [16:18] highvoltage, stgraber, sbalneav: around? [16:22] Yes for a moment or two [16:26] sbalneav: for Hardy I had a feature added to Add/Remove to "float" ubuntu-edu-* app bundles to the top of the Education category [16:26] no Software Center is replacing Add/Remove and they don't want to do the floating thing [16:26] instead they have a mechanism for adding our own top-level "Compartment" [16:27] they would like to know if that's OK or if we *really* need the "float to the top" thing [16:27] it's my bug but since I'm no longer in charge here I wanted to ask you guys what you wanted to do [16:33] Hmm, not sure [16:33] Would the "compartment" be at the top [16:34] basically [16:34] top-level anyway [16:34] at the time that I added the floating thing the app-bundles were really a primary way of installing the Edubuntu software [16:35] as the Add-on CD wasn't getting used a ton it didn't seem [16:35] now that the DVD is here I don't imagine that it will be used all that much [16:37] my personal feeling is that it should be fine to drop the "float" thing as mvo/slangasek weren't pleased that we did it in the first place [16:37] as we were the only group using it [16:37] I think it also slowed down the app as the sorting got more complicated [17:03] j #linux.de [17:03] sorry [18:47] LaserJock: BTW, did you see the responses to my comment? [18:52] yeah [18:52] I tend to think anything to do with empathy or telepathy is a dead end [18:53] I mean, it would be one thing to say "Yeah, try this, this, this.... Oh, still nothing? OK, might be upstream" [18:54] But it was *right out of the box* [18:54] And how the *&^#*% is a new end-user supposed to know where upstream is? [18:56] they're just drowning in bugs and so are trying to close as many as possible and shove everything upstream [18:57] but it does make one wonder what the point of having Launchpad is in that case [18:58] Well, that was my point. [18:59] I went to #telepathy to get help [18:59] not significantly better [19:00] but they did show me where there's a debug window in Empathy so I can watch to see if it's telepathy's fault or empathy's [19:00] ... but that just sort of gets me to which bug tracker I'm supposed to head to, I have no confidence that the bug will actually be fixed [19:05] Where's the debug window? [19:05] in Help [19:06] the problem is this is such a random/niche bug [19:06] but one I don't get in any other IM client === joerg__ is now known as joerg