JontheEchidnatada: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice00:13
neversfeldenice :)00:13
JontheEchidnagetting bug 528015 taken care of will allow us to close the remaining 3 in the koffice2 source package entry00:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528015 in koffice2 "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52801500:14
Riddellis that a hint?00:19
JontheEchidnamaybe :)00:19
JontheEchidnaoh, I have a few more archive-adminly things that need gettin' done if you're up to it00:20
JontheEchidnaI'll give you a chance to run for the hills now, though. ;-)00:20
Riddellwhat are they?00:20
JontheEchidnabug 528023, bug 524955 and bug 52495700:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528023 in koffice-l10n "Request for removal from archive (binary and source)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52802300:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524955 in polkit-qt "Fake sync polkit-qt 0.9.3-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52495500:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 524957 in polkit-qt-1 "Fake sync polkit-qt-1 0.95.1-1 (main) from Debian testing (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52495700:21
JontheEchidnawe can also demote kde3 kdelibs to universe after koffice-l10n bites the dust :)00:22
Riddell524955 has a question on it00:23
JontheEchidnaoh, I thought I had posted a reply to that00:23
neversfeldeRiddell: I renamed kdebluetooth now, do we need a feature freeze exception for this change?00:23
Riddellneversfelde: no00:24
JontheEchidnaRiddell: dantti didn't really have a change, dholbach just read the change to debian/copyright as a change on our end00:24
neversfeldeRiddell: k, I will attach it to the bug report tomorrow.00:24
Riddellthere are koffice-l10n tars for 2.1.100:25
Riddellbut separate for each language00:25
Riddellnot sure what the best way to package those is00:26
JontheEchidnawhere're they hiding them?00:26
Riddellon ktown00:26
JontheEchidnahrm, would be nice if they gave a link on their website00:26
JontheEchidnawe could make a hulking monolith like debian does with kde-l10n00:26
JontheEchidnamaybe since koffice is smaller it wouldn't be so bad?00:27
RiddellI'm included to keep them all separate00:28
Riddellseparate binaries too00:28
Riddelland have language-support-xx recommend them00:28
JontheEchidnayeah, I'd never have a monolithic binary package for that00:28
JontheEchidnawhat would have to be done to set things up so that they could be handled with our current l10n packaging scripts (or tweaked variants of our scripts)?00:30
Riddellwhat scripts?00:33
JontheEchidnathe ones used to update the kde l10n packages each release00:35
Riddellrumours of such scripts are much exaggerated00:35
JontheEchidnaouch :(00:36
Riddellthere's not much that needs to be scripted, it's just a case of running dch for each package using a bash for loop00:37
Riddelldoing the debuild -S (and debuild if you're doing it properly which takes hours) and uploading is the time sync00:38
Riddellthat's those three bugs done anyway00:42
* Riddell snoozes00:43
yuriyoh alpha 3 is already out? I guess i'll install that instead of "testing" an image01:30
DWonderlyI hate getting bad images02:15
yuriydamn, installer on alpha 3 is crashing on manual partitioning02:33
yuriybug 52817102:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528171 in ubiquity "Lucid Alpha 3 installer crashes on manual partitioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52817102:40
maco2hmm these .sip files for kdebindings are hard to read03:53
nixternalthey didn't seem hard for me to read, but they hard as hell for me to create...then I found out about the script sime uses to create them...grrr, I wasted a few hours on that one night03:58
maco2well im looking at it going "it SAYS namespace Phonon.... so why's the resulting thing have the wrong string for .__class__.__name__ ???"03:59
nixternaloh, you really want to dive into python04:00
nixternalwhat is it giving you?04:00
maco2PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource instead of PyKDE4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource04:00
maco2im looking at kdebindings/python/pykde4/sip/phonon/mediasource.sip04:01
* nixternal tries to think of the word to use to describe why...04:02
nixternalummm...shoot, what is the word I am looking for04:02
maco2"because it's broken"?04:02
nixternalno no04:02
maco2PyQt4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource does it right04:02
nixternalhow are you importing phonon?04:05
nixternalI can't reproduce it with bpython04:05
nixternalfrom PyKDE4.phonon import *04:05
maco2thats what i'm using04:05
nixternal>>> from PyKDE4.phonon import *04:05
nixternal>>> foo = Phonon.MediaSource()04:05
nixternal>>> foo.__class__.__name__04:05
maco2which is wrong04:06
maco2it should say Phonon.MediaSource04:06
nixternalMediaSource is the class name though04:06
maco2but if you try to use a VideoPlayer with .play(foo) it'll tell you it expected a Phonon.MediaSource and instead received a MediaSource04:06
nixternal>>> foo.__class__04:07
nixternal<class 'PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource'>04:07
nixternalI see what you are saying04:07
maco2it's missing a capital-P Phonon04:07
maco2ooh or...04:10
maco2this could be a qt designer v. python issue04:11
maco2qt designer might be putting in the PyQt4 version of phonon not the pykde4 one...04:11
nixternalahh, that might explain some funkiness here04:12
maco2hmm so .ui doesnt specify whether to use the pyqt4 or pykde4 versions of stuff04:12
maco2so in there it just says Phonon::VideoPlayer04:12
nixternalright, and that is the Qt Phonon stuff, not the KDE Phonon stuff04:13
maco2the .py generated by pykdeuic4 imports PyQt4 but of PyKDE4 it ony imports kdeui and kdecore04:13
maco2so maybe its actually that pykdeuic4 ought to pick PyKDE4.phonon if it encounters phonon stuff?04:14
* maco2 boggles04:15
maco2the .py generated includes 2 import statements *at the end*04:15
maco2why would it do that?04:15
nixternalno idea, I don't use any of the *uic* tools04:16
nixternalwith linuxtoday, reddit, and digg....I have served over 1,000,000 unique hits in less than a week...pretty good, and my server never tanked, and I made a whopping...wait for it...wait for it...$16 from adsense!04:17
nixternalclick damnit click!04:17
maco2ok i see whats happening04:19
maco2if i play with the generated .py04:19
maco2i have to remove "from PyQt4 import phonon" from the end of the file and add "from PyKDE4 import phonon" to the beginning of the file04:19
nixternalor the more correct way, 'from PyKDE4.phonon import *'04:22
nixternalgotta follow PEP804:22
maco2ok or that04:24
nixternali just finished watching a thing on tv about software patents...it is ridiculous what is patented...now I can't remember the channel I watched it on, nor the link of really crazy software patents04:29
nixternaland facebook today patented some news feed stuff...it is just getting out of hand04:29
nixternalaccording to this show, Microsoft is sued on average, 5 times a day for patent infringement...and the other big one was...damn, I can't remember now04:30
nixternalthat's what I get for messing with python while trying to watch that :p04:30
* nixternal blames maco2 04:30
ScottKApple just won a big Patent suit in Texas.04:31
ScottKI read about it on Groklaw earlier in the week.04:31
nixternaldoes apple have a lot of software patents for their stuff? they didn't say a thing about apple on this show04:31
ScottKThey were getting sued for violating someone else's patent.04:32
nixternaltexas is where everyone sues for patents, easiest place to win04:32
nixternalmy dad was sued back in the 80s for his patents...he told the court in texas to kiss his ass04:32
ScottKI gather Apple has a pretty strict policy of not settling out of court except in a few rare cases where they agree they goofed.04:32
nixternalhe still isn't out of prison :p just kidding...but he never had to go to court, and ended up winning because he was backed by panasonic who ended up purchasing some of his patents04:33
nixternalthen recently, he was contacted by someone about someone supposedly violating his patents, so my dad called him...told the guy, hey that has been patented by me for almost 30 years...the guy on the other end got nervous and asked what he should do, and my dad said, well I think you at least owe me a beer :)04:34
nixternalhe has like 30 patents, and I couldn't tell you what any of them even do...that deep electronics stuff makes absolutely no sense to me04:35
DarkwingDuckRemind me again why I handed out all of my Kubuntu CDs at SCALE?04:40
ScottKBecause you want Lucid, not Karmic and you didn't have any Lucid CDs.04:41
DarkwingDuckI want something stabler to start with on my X4104:43
nixternallucid is pretty good right now actually04:43
nixternalone week without a single hiccup04:43
nixternalI am probably going to reformat/reinstall with lucid this weekend on this laptop04:44
DarkwingDuckeven netbook?04:44
nixternalScottK: is knr dirt slow on your dell mini?04:44
nixternalmyself and another guy who was running opensuse with plasma-netbook the other night, both commented on how slow the netbook stuff was on our netbooks04:45
nixternalwondering if my netbook has a fault somewhere, or is it really that darn slow04:45
nixternalanyways, bbiaf, gonna go enjoy some ice cream...i fried the roof of my mouth on pizza04:45
DarkwingDuckKNR will runnin a full 1024x76804:47
DarkwingDuckthis way I can test the wacom interface with it being a tablet04:48
DarkwingDuckAnyone have the Lucid KNR daily (Or a couple days ago) on a fater server? I'm only able to pull 60kbps down off the server.04:50
daskreechIs the Lucid ISOs burnable/bootable05:03
DarkwingDuckDaily builds have been for me since pre-alpha05:04
shadeslayerhnmmm the release page is missing in the announcement05:06
shadeslayerthe release page is missing screenshots05:06
DarkwingDuckgod I hate bogged servers05:13
ScottKnixternal: How much RAM?05:47
ScottKIt seems to be right on the edge of digging itself into swap with 1GB.05:47
ScottKI've got an SSD, so I don't notice so much.05:47
ScottKnixternal: For your OpportunistiK session, you might show how to develop something quick and easy on Kubuntu with PyKDE and then show how to deploy it on Windows, Mac, and Linux.05:48
ScottKSSD or hard drive?06:06
nixternalScottK: I don't even know where to begin on deploying shit on Mac let alone Windows anymore06:06
nixternal160gb hd06:06
ScottKSSD makes a huge difference in Netbook performance.06:07
ScottKOK, it was a thought.06:07
nixternala good thought though...one that I just might look into to be honest06:07
nixternalright now, the only feedback I got was create a simple podcatcher with the rss plasma engine and phonon06:08
nixternali was thinking get rid of the plasma part, and do a simple podcatcher...very simple podcatcher that someone could expand on06:08
nixternalScottK: damn, that windows mac linux thing is about as opportunistic as one can get06:08
nixternalf'n bingo dude06:09
ScottKI think one of the keys to catching real opportunistic programmers is to show it's easy to solve real problems they've got at work, quickly and easily.06:09
ScottKNot being just for Linux is a big part of that.06:09
nixternalright...i didn't look our that far...that is a really awesome idea06:09
ScottKDon't think in terms of stuff we'd want in the distro, think in terms of getting your idiot boss to stop screaming at you.06:10
nixternali wonder how you would deploy with python and pykde4 on windows and mac...06:10
nixternali know people who will though, Python Chicago here I come! :)06:10
ScottKI'd suggest focus on Windows and just mention it's for Mac too.06:10
nixternalyeah, especially since I don't have a way to test on a mac06:10
markeyapachelogger: someone, you have a very confusing way of writing blogs ;)06:22
markeyI don't really understand what you are saying there06:22
markeyit's full of mythical allusions and inside jokes, I guess06:22
markey"Opportunistic opportunity"06:22
markeywhat is that? :)06:22
nixternalScottK: ahh, PyKDE !work with Windows (yet?)06:23
markeyI read it twice, but I still don't get it :p06:23
ScottKAh, crap.06:23
markeyThe idea is that opportunistic programmers ares doing normal application development like most people think of it.  It's small, one off, scripts or small apps to solve local needs.""06:24
markeycan't you just write: "I have idea A. It works like this: B. Thank you for reading."06:25
markeythat would make it easier to parse06:25
nixternal"Isn't this obvious. A quickly template for Pyside?" WTF? That is the only comment for my opportunistiK call....tom are you in here?06:25
daskreechnixternal: Ruby Chicago?06:27
hanthanai would like to localize kubuntu, i have done kde essentials for my language and also continuing the rest of localizing the apps06:28
nixternalRuby is as opportunistic as a bullet hole in the head06:30
nixternalI have been to a few of the Chicago Ruby mixes...cool getting to hang out with the big wigs in the Ruby and Rails communities06:30
daskreechThat's an oppurtunity for bullet and casket makers06:31
nixternaland that's my answer, or that's my story and I'm stickin' with it06:35
daskreechnixternal: want to point hanthana to docs? :)06:36
valoriehi folks, synaptic reports that kdelibs-dbg is broken06:36
valorieit wants to put in qt-x11-free-dbg instead06:36
valoriedoes that sound right?06:36
valoriethe Amarok devs didn't know06:36
nixternalhanthana: in the next couple of weeks, the docs for kubuntu will be made available on launchpad for localizing06:37
valorieand that's why I installed kdelibs-dbg in the first place06:37
valorieto help debug amarok06:37
hanthananixternal: daskreech: dude, we are ready to support. but there is no one supporting06:37
nixternalI think that might already be known as I saw someone talking about that either earlier or yesterday valorie06:37
daskreechSupport the Support of the support!06:38
valorieshould I allow synaptic to do it?06:38
nixternalwhat do you mean hanthana that there is no one supporting?06:38
hanthanai meant giving required info to contributors06:38
nixternalit doesn't sound right to me06:38
valoriesynaptic reports a broken package06:39
hanthana4hrs searching but still no luck06:39
nixternalhanthana: string freeze is March 25th I believe...until we have a package with the new kubuntu-docs uploaded, there is nothing to translate06:39
valorieperhaps I should try adept or something and see what It says06:39
nixternalwe are reworking the docs....that's why there is nothing yet...we did a complete rewrite06:39
hanthananixternal: where is the po file for kubuntu installer06:39
hanthanaand what are the essential desktop apps for kubuntu06:40
markeynixternal: really, I'd rethink the naming. it's your call, but "OpportunistiK" is far out.. ;)06:40
markeyit sounds both weird and strange, in a weird way06:40
markeythat makes no sense at all06:40
nixternalhehe, I had to have a bit of fun so apachelogger couldn't grep planet.ubuntu.com for opportunistic and raise his numbers06:40
markeythat blog, I guess only Kubuntu insiders would understand it06:41
nixternalhttps://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity  <- hanthana, there is the ubiquity installer if that is what you were referring to06:42
nixternalthe essential desktop apps for kubuntu are translated upstream, unless of course that changed, as I do not closely follow translation stuff... dpm would know more about translation stuff than I would for sure06:43
hanthananixternal: i am a fedora user not familiar with Ubuntu packages, but i have localized the Debian installer06:43
hanthanajust contributing for the community06:43
* hanthana hate launch pad!06:43
dpmhanthana, you can also ask translations questions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact#UbuntuTranslators (both for Ubuntu and Kubuntu)06:44
hanthananothing going back to upstream06:44
nixternalmarkey: what doesn't make sense about my blog post? and I agree with you on harald's post :D06:44
hanthanadpm: ok06:44
nixternaldamn, I don't think dpm sleeps06:44
dpmhey nixternal :)06:44
hanthanaanyway, pls update the site with 'how to join' etc06:44
dpmgout up a bit earlier today to finish off some stuff06:44
dpmgot up06:45
nixternaldpm: oh yeah, I will email you with a list of the templates to remove...I forgot...need to go through and see what can stay and what can go06:45
nixternaloh wow, just realized it is 00:45 here..didn't realize it was that late06:45
daskreechHmm I just grabbed the Daily Live CD and the md5sums listed on the site aren't the same as the ICO06:45
dpmnixternal, heh, see who's not sleeping now ;)06:45
hanthana12.15 here :)06:45
daskreechHow often is that wrong?06:45
DWonderlyOkay, I forget... whats the command to update my 9.10 to 10.04 Alpha-Current?06:46
daskreechDWonderly: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't update :)06:46
nixternalDWonderly: update iso or your computer?06:46
DWonderlynixternal: computer06:47
markeynixternal: haven't read yours yet, I meant Harald's ;)06:47
markeynixternal: sec, gonna read yours06:47
* daskreech ponders burning his last blank with an ISO that doesn't have a correct md5sum06:47
DWonderlyI was going to just DL the ISO but, be quicker this way... maybe06:47
nixternalupdate-notifier-kde -u  <- DWonderly06:47
DWonderlydaskreech: I know what I'm doing... just slips my mind.06:47
DWonderlynixternal: thanks06:48
dpmnixternal, great, thanks for the update on kubuntu-docs. I'll wait for the e-mail then.06:48
nixternalI think that will work06:48
nixternaloh, I was gonna say, mine had to make sense, I poked fun at Harald and asked what kind of app I should write for my presentation :)06:48
DWonderlyI'll say this... KNE looks good on tablets06:48
markeynixternal: yeah, yours is easier to understand ;)06:48
nixternalI just saw your buzz06:48
markeygot it now06:48
nixternalstupid buzz06:48
markeynixternal: yeah I saw your blog on Buzz, not on Planet KDE. got all confused06:49
markeythis cross-aggregating is becoming weird06:49
markeyyou can't tell anymore what the actual source of something is ;)06:49
nixternal"I help you double your income, doing what you love. And, I ride a 5' tall unicycle!!"  ...shit, sign me up!06:49
nixternalyeah, it was for planet.ubuntu.com...I don't post all of my stuff to kde anymore, as there are to many distro-x fanboys who do nothing more than waste bandwidth06:50
=== DWonderly is now known as DarkwingDuck
nixternalif I say Kubuntu in a post on planetkde.org, I will be tarred and feathered06:50
DarkwingDuckOkay, this is better06:51
nixternalDarkwingDuck: you in Mississippi yet?06:51
DarkwingDuckNo. 20th06:51
nixternalhow in the hell did you pull that for a duty station being a brown shoe?06:51
DarkwingDuckof March06:51
nixternalyou had to get in trouble :p06:51
DarkwingDuckI'm an Aviation...06:51
DarkwingDuckYeah, I got hurt :/06:51
nixternalouch, that sucks06:51
valorieugh, after researching, I decided to let synaptic do what it wanted, which was to reinstall and ADD the qt--x11-free-dbg06:52
DarkwingDuckYeah... Oh well06:52
hanthanathis is very funny.. jumping to channel by channel :D06:52
valorienow it errors out: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/qt-x11-free-dbg_3%3a3.3.8-b-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qvfb', which is also in package libqt4-dbg 406:52
ScottKGood night all.06:52
markeynite ScottK06:52
valorieso any suggestions?06:53
markeyvalorie: what did you actually try to do there? :)06:53
DarkwingDuckBut nixternal, I finally have a laptop again06:53
valoriereinstall kdelibs-dbg06:53
markeybut why :)06:53
valoriebecause it is reported as broken06:54
hanthanaseems #ubuntu-translators are sleeping :(06:54
valorieI have a bunch of updates to do, but cannot while there is a broken package06:55
nixternalDarkwingDuck: woohoo!06:55
DarkwingDuckThinkPad X41 Tablet06:55
DarkwingDuckand it's -d rather then -u06:56
DarkwingDuck-u is latest release and -d the latest Devel06:56
nixternalbetter than my old dell laptop or compaq laptop that I use religiously still06:56
nixternalwhat are you going to be doing at good ol' McCain Air Field?06:56
DarkwingDuckarresting gear and field support06:56
nixternaldamn, you should have tried for Pax River instead06:57
dpmhanthana, please, be patient, people are not there 24/7. It's 07:54 am in Europe, for example, and most people are just starting the day. Furthermore, you haven't posted a question there, only what you are doing. What is the actual question? How can we help you?06:57
nixternalthey have all the bad ass squadrons there06:57
DarkwingDuckoh yeah... VT-3 and VT-506:57
dpmhanthana, if there are no answers on IRC, you cal always use the mailing list06:57
daskreechnixternal: who has the good ass?06:57
DarkwingDuckalso, we are the backup home of the Blue Angels06:57
nixternalI used to party hard with the VT wings06:57
nixternalthey had the best beach parties at pax06:57
DarkwingDuckIm actually looking forward to it06:58
nixternaland it was a blast breaking into the marine corps barracks and stealing their ugly bull dog06:58
DarkwingDuckSounds like the fun I had with the Army nerds at Goodfellow AFB06:59
nixternalhttp://www.navair.navy.mil/  <- DarkwingDuck that's where you want to be as a brown shoe....that's where pre-astronauts train for nasa...that was my last duty station, and it made me wish I was a brown shoe because of all the awesome toys and testing07:00
DarkwingDuckI almost landed Key West but, they didn't want to spend the $$ to send me to south Florida07:00
nixternalI was there when they were crashing all of the ospreys07:00
DarkwingDuckits a good spot07:00
nixternali hated living in that area though, and that was probably due to my ex-wife..under different circumstances I think I could live there07:01
DarkwingDuckMeridian is about an hour and a half from the wifes family07:02
DarkwingDuckSo, she is MORE then happy07:02
nixternaloh lord, don't say I didn't warn you...unless of course you get along with your inlaws07:02
DarkwingDuckI actually do LOL07:03
DarkwingDuckKinda strange07:03
DarkwingDuckMy father in law is happy that he thinks he will have a hunting buddy LOL07:03
nixternalso, I went up to great mistakes this week...let me just say, after seeing the new uniforms, I am glad I am not in the navy anymore07:04
DarkwingDuckLOL They arn't actually THAT bad. Actually kinda comfy. I'm NOT happy about giving E-1 - E-6 kahki shirts though07:05
nixternalno, they are stupid looking07:06
nixternalyeah, that would piss me off...here I busted my ass to be a kahki, and now e-1 through e-6 have them...piss off :)07:06
DarkwingDuckOh I know07:07
nixternalScottK: did you see the new navy uniforms?07:07
nixternalcoast guard + army + smurfs == new navy uniforms07:07
DarkwingDuckJungle Smurfs07:08
nixternalso when you fall in the water, the sharks won't see you, nor will your shipmates...whope you got a chem pack on that bad boy :)07:09
DarkwingDuckOh well... on ships I wear bright yellow :P07:09
nixternalon ships, I wore either shorts all day or my dungarees...yeah baby, bell bottom jeans ftw!07:10
DarkwingDuckYou make Chief before you sep?07:10
nixternalsenior chief07:10
nixternalactually made master chief, but got out before being frocked07:11
nixternaldidn't know I made it until after I was out, by like 3 days..it was the same week, I do know that07:11
DarkwingDucklol GM right?07:12
nixternalyou silly ass youngsters trying to remove my guns07:13
DarkwingDuckOk ok... GMG07:14
DarkwingDuckHas a nice ring to it ;)07:14
DarkwingDuckCS and CM... at least it is now07:14
nixternalyeah, my master chief did the GMMC, and I told him I will never be just a GM, as I wasn't a generalist07:14
nixternalI didn't work on missiles, MK45 only07:14
nixternaland the occasional MK3807:14
Riddellnice, a topic specific Kubuntu book http://iaclub.ist.psu.edu/2010/basic-penetration-testing-kubuntu-style/07:15
DarkwingDuckahh how ya07:15
DarkwingDuckHey Riddell... your name kept popping up at SCALE07:15
Riddellerr, really?07:16
Riddellfrom whom?07:16
DarkwingDuckA few here and there... Jono asked if I had met you.07:16
DarkwingDuckThe KDE booth guys07:17
nixternalahh, I wonder if that is the same griffith that was asking me questions the other day07:17
Riddellwho was on the KDE booth?  (I should chase them up for a Dot News article)07:17
DarkwingDuckahhh. crap... I have names somewhere...07:18
DarkwingDuckCouple locals... not the best booth this year... 3 laptops07:18
DarkwingDuckIf it wasn't for me bringing over some Kubuntu CDs they wouldn't have had any handouts07:18
DarkwingDuckyeah I know.07:19
nixternali would figure blauzal, but I saw a bunch of openSUSE stuff in the pics...maybe will was around?07:19
DarkwingDuckthe Ubuntu Booth I was a part of handed out around 2500 CDs between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Server07:20
nixternalif they got a conference pack, they got 1500 Ubuntu Desktop CDs, 500 Server CDs, and 500 Kubuntu CDs...and like I said earlier, for me Kubuntu goes at a faster rate here in Chicago07:21
nixternalactually, at every event I have been too...people are quick to do "ewww KDE" but they sure are just as quick to grab a Kubuntu CD07:21
DarkwingDuckEsp when you show them 4.307:22
nixternalthat or I act like a wise guy and plan on taking them out if they don't :)07:22
nixternalUse Kubuntu, or else this guy, http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4314711628/ will come after you!07:23
daskreechI was about to mention that Kubuntu CDs go faster at the conferences that nixternal is at ... because they are conferences that nixternal is at07:26
nixternalI think it is time to become metrosexual and less meat head/goodfellas character07:27
nixternalthough, meat head is fun...how many nerds do you know can benchpress over 300 pounds?07:28
nixternaldunno many open source hackers who played college ball either...i know a couple at microsoft, but not here in our awesome world07:28
DarkwingDuckheh. I'm going to have to make it up there to Chi-Town again some day07:31
nixternalgood, you can buy me some beers then :)07:32
nixternalas long as it isn't a nasty jamaican beer :p07:33
DarkwingDuckOf course07:33
nixternalred stripe ftw!07:33
DarkwingDuckJust like any good PO2 would do07:34
nixternalGoose Island Matilda, the best beer there is righ tnow07:34
nixternalthere are a few IPAs out there that I absolutely love07:34
nixternaldogfish head has a great ipa07:34
daskreechNo Red stripe for nixternal07:46
daskreechmore for the nasty Jamaicans :)07:46
DarkwingDuckOk, almost done with the upgrade07:50
daskreechmeanwhile I downloaded the ISO twice and burnt it07:51
daskreechI could have installed it as well :)07:51
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agateauapachelogger: hi!08:18
agateauapachelogger: just read your latest post, and laughed quite a bit :)08:18
agateauapachelogger: I am wondering if you did not mean to say KDE in this sentence "You do not like that GNOME is using a closed source toolkit"08:19
agateauapachelogger: or am I opportunisticly lost?08:19
nixternalagateau: right, I thought the same with that line08:27
Riddellis that post ment to make any sense?08:29
nixternalprobably not, like markey said, booze and weed may have contributed :)08:29
Riddellsurely not, this is harald, probably just too many sweeties08:30
DarkwingDuckoh poppy...08:30
DarkwingDuckwacom stopped working as soon as I updated to 10.04A08:31
DarkwingDuckNow to figure out why I can'y use my tablet08:31
nixternal"I am trying to locate GMC(SW) Willie B. Tate. I know he was stationed on the IOWA, MONONGAHELA, IKE and in Pax River. He retired in Norfolk a couple of years ago. If anyone knows how to contact him, please let me know. BZ Goatlocker, great site! Thanks shipmates."  <- whoa, I was searching for old shipmates, and someone is looking for my old chief too...from 2001, so I don't think her email address will still be the same08:34
nixternalsent an email anyways08:37
DarkwingDuckIs there an X11 configuration for KDE?08:49
Sputwhat is "X11 configuration"? things like dual monitors etc can be handled with krandrtray or the newish KCM08:56
Sputnot sure what else is there to configure08:56
DarkwingDuckTablet input08:58
DarkwingDuckthe wacom inputs for my tablet were working in 9.1009:00
DarkwingDuckBut, while the drivers are all still there the tablet input stopped working on the update09:00
DarkwingDuckI'll dig tomorrow. *sigh*09:06
shadeslayerbtw what line should i add to rules for the patch system?09:30
shadeslayerah nvm09:31
RiddellLex79: I'll upload qt4 from kubuntu ninjas now09:56
RiddellLex79: why did libphonon4.symbols get generated at build?10:07
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apacheloggeragateau: nope, that was theoretical, based on all the mono whining :P, but yeah, that sentence started off with KDE ;)10:40
apacheloggerRiddell, nixternal: only caffeine and reading a couple of days worth of planet ubuntu was involved10:41
agateauapachelogger: I thought it was a reference to the creation of GNOME, being free-er than KDE which was built on non-free Qt10:41
Mamarokapachelogger: what did you smoke when you wrote that blog? It's utterly confusing...10:42
apacheloggeragateau: yeah, but then again that would make those people that do not understand what opportunistic programming is claim that gnome is opportunistic software10:42
apacheloggerjust imagine the amount of blog posts I would have to read about that...10:43
apacheloggeropportunistic gnome here, opportunistic gnome there, <3 gnome...10:43
apacheloggerMamarok: it is just very insidish10:44
Mamarokwell, then it should not be on planetkde.org, nobody understands it10:44
Mamarokit makes people think you are really confused :)10:45
Mamarokand you managed to confuse Jono :)10:45
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apacheloggermust write a disclaimr then10:46
apachelogger"madness due to ubuntu, must go to debian, ktxhbai"10:47
apacheloggerthat shoudl also be short enough so markey gets it ^^10:47
apacheloggerthough I must agree, I should get rss feeds of tags to the planets10:47
Mamarokyep, that might be a good diea :)10:48
Mamarokidea even10:48
apacheloggerfirst I must explain that opportunistic blog post though, and confuse jono even more :/10:50
allee-manyone working already on it: karmic 4.3 -> 4.4: a) existing use with nepomuk data:  akonadi does not start.   b) New user: akonadi starts buts warns: nepomuk could not be enabled.  Nepomuk errmsg:  There is no configuration file .ini10:50
Riddellnepomuk will need virtuosoconverter10:52
RiddellI haven't put that in main though10:52
allee-mRiddell: virtuosoconverter was installed and sucessful.   But a new created user should not need converter.  So deeper problem is:   the no .ini file I get for the freshly created user10:54
apachelogger"Everything we ship in Ubuntu is free software."10:58
apachelogger*cough* nvidia *cough* radeon10:59
apacheloggerRiddell: well, one needs to invoke the converter manually, so I wonder about its use11:01
Riddellallee-m: do you have a .cache directory?11:03
Riddellapachelogger: it should get run by nepomuk, we patched it to do so11:04
apacheloggerin that case I wonder why upstream does not do that11:04
Riddellwell the patch came from upstream11:04
allee-mRiddell: new created user: no  I checked with find $HOME . -iname .cache11:05
Riddellallee-m: you're using the karmic 4.4 packages?11:05
apacheloggerRiddell: that is getting more and more confusing ^^11:05
Riddellapachelogger: I think trueg doesn't want to support virtuosoconverter officially because there was never a stable KDE release using virtuoso 5 and it's a bit hackey (contains a full copy of virtuoso5 sources)11:06
allee-mRiddell: yes, including yesterdays? 4.4.0 ... karmic1~ppa311:06
Riddellsoprano's kubuntu_01_config_path.diff patch needs updated in PPA then11:07
allee-mthat virtuoso for an user that used 4.3 may fail, not good but with a 4.4 an a newly created user that's no good as it should affect many new users/installations11:08
allee-mRiddell: bzr path to kubuntu_01_config_path.diff ?11:11
Riddellallee-m: it's not in bzr, it's in the soprano package in lucid, I'll upload it to the PPA in a second11:12
* allee-m checks lucid netbook11:13
allee-mthx   I'll check if this fixes the problem for new created user.   Then I'll try to find what goes wrong after virtusoconverter did run on existing nepomuk installations11:17
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ping11:25
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Riddellmarkey: ok if I add the kstatusnotifieritem patch to our package in lucid?  http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/merge_requests/13012:14
markeyRiddell: sure, but could maybe wait until we have tested it?12:14
markeycause, we haven't tested it at all yet12:14
markeywant to make sure it works properly...12:15
markeythat said, I tend to trust Aurelien12:15
markeyit's probably good :)12:15
Riddellmarkey: I'd rather do it now because UI freeze is next week12:16
markeyRiddell: ah ok, then no problem, if it works OK for you :)12:17
Riddellyes assuming my testing works, still compiling here12:17
shadeslayerWeird bug : Plymouth doesnt launch via lucid alpha 312:17
shadeslayerand i cant virtualize the iso via kvm either :)12:18
Riddellshadeslayer: does for me, maybe it doesn't like your graphics card12:18
shadeslayerRiddell: probably... i have a nvidia card12:18
shadeslayerbut virtualization should work right?12:18
shadeslayerBoot failed : could not read bootdisk :P12:19
shadeslayerRiddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/SV3xUt.html12:20
Riddellfolks in #ubuntu-testing might know more, I rarely use virtualisation myself12:21
shadeslayerhmm.. ok12:21
shadeslayerwell when i write the image to a USB it works12:21
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: pong12:35
shadeslayerRiddell: apparently i was missing -cdrom :P12:40
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: gotta go, be back later12:45
shadeslayerRiddell: oh about the boot screen,should i report a bug?12:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: ping13:10
shadeslayermarkey: eh?13:11
shadeslayermarkey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?13:12
markeyI'm not a kubuntu dev13:12
markeyI just hang around here, talking bullshit13:12
shadeslayeranyone know how to do the above?13:13
agateaushadeslayer: I guess Riddell or ScottK would know ^13:22
shadeslayerRiddell: hehe13:22
shadeslayerRiddell: i hope im not bothering :)13:22
RiddellI don't understand why ubuntu-dev-tools is needed13:23
shadeslayerRiddell: apachelogger taught me earlier that we had to authorize it to upload packages to PPA's13:26
jussi01nixternal: ping13:37
shadeslayerjussi01: any ideas about PPA's?13:39
jussi01shadeslayer: youve asked your question, just be patient, and dont ping everyone :)13:40
shadeslayerjussi01: okies :)13:45
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=== fjlacoste is now known as flacoste
Riddellshadeslayer: what PPA do you want to upload to?14:10
shadeslayerRiddell: i found what i was looking for ;)14:11
shadeslayerRiddell: its : manage-credentials14:11
shadeslayerhit and trial :P14:11
MidMarkHi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which plugins I need to compile?14:16
MidMarkHi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which qt plugins I need to compile?14:16
Riddellyou need to install scim-bridge-client-qt414:18
MidMarkRiddell: ok, but if I'm compiling my own qt shall I include that one or something else?14:21
MidMarklike libqtaccessiblewidgets.so is also needed?14:23
Riddellno that's for the accessiblity stuff not input methods14:23
MidMarkso I just need qcncodecs qjpcodecs qkrcodecs qtwcodecs and that it? inputmethods is built automatically I guess14:27
MidMarkcool thanks14:29
MidMarkRiddell: and this scim-bridge-client-qt4 will work with my custom qt as well?14:30
Riddellit should do, might need a recompile14:30
Riddellcertainly will need to be put in the plugin location for your qt build14:30
MidMarkhmm I'm compiling statically14:31
MidMarkI mean the whole binary is together with qt14:31
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RiddellScottK or anyone going to be around for the release meeting?  I'm going to be out14:38
ScottKRiddell: I should be around.14:38
ScottKWhat do I need to say?14:38
RiddellScottK: see foot of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus14:39
ScottKI'll take care of it.14:39
shadeslayerhmm... kfi broken in karmic?14:41
shadeslayeri get : http://paste.ubuntu.com/384407/14:41
* Riddell removes kdevelop from the archive and puts it into beta PPA14:44
ScottKRiddell: Is koffice 2 still in Universe or did it get promoted.14:46
RiddellScottK: koffice is now koffice 2 and it is in universe (because upstream weren't too confident of its quality for main)14:48
ScottKRiddell: So we'll have no koffice in Main for this cycle?14:48
Riddellkoffice and kdevelop are the last two parts of KDE 4 transition pain14:49
ScottKWhat's the plan for kdevelop?14:50
Riddellsee above, I just put it in kubuntu-ppa/beta14:50
Riddellfinal release isn't until May14:51
ScottKSo it won't be in the archive at all this cycle?14:51
Riddellfor karmic we left in the beta release and they got all grumpy, it was removed shortly after release14:51
ScottKBut we can put it in lucid-backports right after release....14:51
agateauheh, they don't want users to play with their beloved toys :)14:52
Riddellthey don't want old beta versions hanging around for people to report bugs from long after they've been fixed14:53
shadeslayeragateau: hehe... well the users wont poke themselves in the eye with the sharp edges of their toys :P14:53
agateauRiddell: ok14:54
Riddelldpm: I'm packaging koffice-l10n-xx which will go in universe, what needs to be done to have those installed by users without hainvg to think?  presumably add to something in language-selector?15:00
dpmRiddell, I'm not sure, sorry. I know language-selector is involved, but Arne tends to take care of the packaging side, and he does not seem to be there today. You could perhaps look at the openoffice.org-l10n-* or thunderbird-locale-* packages to see how they're doing it15:04
_Groo_hi/2 all15:07
JontheEchidnaneat: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-February/001140.html15:47
RiddellJontheEchidna: yay16:02
jetdronehey guys are there any junior development tasks to do for helping the kubuntu project? I'd like to participate but don't really know where to start and the wiki doesn't contain much info on that...16:15
Tonio_Riddell: hey :)16:20
Tonio_Riddell: I was checking the status of libdbusmenu-qt build16:20
Tonio_Riddell: seems that the build servers are still broken on that point16:21
Tonio_Riddell: do you have any info on that point ?16:21
Nightrosehey jetdrone - nice to hear - Riddell, JontheEchidna and apachelogger can probably give you a good task16:21
Tonio_Riddell: libqjson is built for days now, and available...16:21
RiddellTonio_: hmm, good question16:24
Riddellhi jetdrone, thanks for joining, do stay around16:24
Tonio_Riddell: afaics the packages seem to build and archives to be up to date... I don't know who to ping on that point16:25
Riddell libqjson-dev being in universe won't help16:26
jetdroneCool Nightrose, Riddell, just tell me some project that needs some help. I'll leave this computer for a while and login later16:26
seelewas a decision made on what to do about the installer updates?16:29
RiddellTonio_: I think qjson needs a MIR :(16:30
Tonio_Riddell: hum indeed...16:31
Riddellooh bug 38739216:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 387392 in qjson "main inclusion report for qjson" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38739216:31
Riddellseele: no paticular resolution, I think a behaviour change would need evan convinced to do the code16:32
Tonio_Riddell: so the question is, why is qjson in universe then ? :)16:33
Riddellprobably got demoted when kopete-facebook disappeared16:33
Tonio_Riddell: yeah16:34
Tonio_Riddell: nice, I'll restart the builds when available16:35
nixternaljussi01: pong16:35
RiddellTonio_: yes please retry when it gets into main16:35
Tonio_Riddell: no pb16:36
ubuntuhi Nightrose16:44
Nightrosehi ubuntu17:28
Nightrosewhoever you are17:28
ubuntuThe distro of mystery17:32
* ubuntu saves the day and vanishes into the /dev/null17:34
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KDeskHi, could you remove the python2.5 dependency of the python-kde4 package?   python-kde4 already depends on python (>= 2.5) and python (< 2.7). This causes to have python 2.5 and 2.6 installed at the same time with the Kubuntu backports PPA repo.17:44
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apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I forgot what I wanted anyway :)18:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: when did I say that ubuntu-dev-tools is necessary to upload to a PPA?18:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: you didnt..18:10
apacheloggerso why do you claim that I said such nonsense: P18:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: i meant that ubuntu-dev-tools needed authentication18:10
apacheloggerno doubt I say a lot of nonesense, but usually it is not development related ;)18:10
shadeslayeri thought i was explicit on that?18:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: sounds to me like I told you that you need it to uplaod to a PPA18:10
neversfeldeapachelogger: did you read that the kfritz md5 problem is fixed? :)18:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah i meant that18:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: but apparently it was taken in some other sense18:11
apacheloggerneversfelde: yep, I would have reviewied it between studying for exam on taxes, but fortunately enough business economics always drives me into deep deep sleep18:11
neversfeldeapachelogger: :)18:11
* apachelogger just slept 5 hours :D18:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: anyhow, I also told you that the tools that require authentication will tell you how to obtain that18:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: and like i said i didnt sleep tight yesterday... woke up at 6 AM :D18:12
apacheloggerwhich is manage-credentials, and when you lok at the manpage of that you will find the appropriate command to run18:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: i did find it18:13
apacheloggeroki ^^18:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: from the logs : [13:12] <shadeslayer> markey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?18:14
shadeslayerjust clearing the air ;)18:14
apacheloggerwell, no matter what it sounds bogus :P18:17
allee-mRiddell:  the new soprano pkgs fixes nepomuk service for a fresh created user.  Thx.    Nevertheless I wonder why use a new-introduced dot dir ~/.cache  in the HOME instead of somewhere below $KDEHOME/share/apps/<whatever>18:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: bogus?18:17
apacheloggerubuntu-dev-tools doesn't have anything to do with uploads18:17
apacheloggerkubotu: google dict bogus18:17
kubotuResults for dict bogus: 1. bogus - definition of bogus by the Free Online Dictionary ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bogus | 2. dict.cc Wörterbuch :: bogus :: Deutsch-Englisch-Übersetzung: http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/bogus.html | 3. ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin/ - FTP Browser: http://www.filewatcher.com/b/ftp/ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin.0.0.html18:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: i know what it means ><18:17
apacheloggerin that case :P18:17
shadeslayerok well ill try to be more explicit next time18:17
* shadeslayer goes and continues playing with the debian/rules18:20
Lex79Riddell: libphonon symbols is generated at build like the others symbol files, no need to keep symbols.in file if you build with pkg-kde-tools > 0.6, it has new feauture to create symbols (dh --with pkgkde_symbolshelper addon)18:46
Lex79so if you keep pkgkde-symbolshelper symbolfile -p blablabla in rules, it will ftbs18:47
jussi01ok, this is curious I have 2 nvidia drivers "activated" and jockey-says neither of them in use? its rather weird me thinks. How do I actually get this machine to use the nvidia driver?19:17
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
* Lure is a bit concerned that kdevelop4 schedule will cause similar problems as digikam/karmic did :-(20:48
ScottKLure: kdevelop is removed from Lucid for those reasons.20:54
ScottKIt'll be available in lucid-backports once it's released.20:54
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LureScottK: ok, better21:10
Riddellallee-k: soprano isn't part of KDE so can't use .kde21:27
Riddell~ninjas 4.4.1 on ktown21:27
kubotuapachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave!21:27
ScottKNice.  Saves me writing a patch to fix a netbook crash.21:28
allee-kRiddell: on an 'old' account I've also seen that other apps use ~/.cache too.  So it's not a bit deal.  (if it's not KDE, AFAIK .config or .local are FreeDesktop equivs to  .kde/share/{config,apps} respectively)22:00
allee-ks/bit/big/   but I assume that something to discuss with upstream.22:01
binarylooksis ubuntuone meant to work in lucid? I tried the gnome client but no success?23:22
* ryanakca wonders from what era these KDE icons are from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/3d/Icons.html23:44
apacheloggerryanakca: They weren't in official kde, were they?23:48
apacheloggerSure not KDE 2 or 3, they had very distincted icon styles.23:49
ryanakcaapachelogger: not sure... I just followed the link from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/Icons.html .23:50
ryanakcaProbably weren't23:50
apachelogger3rd party for sure :P23:51
apacheloggerthough from the quality I would put them in KDE 123:51
* ryanakca nods23:53
binarylooks(I almost don't dar to ask, but is there a ubuntuone plan for lucid? Right now it doesn't work with the gnome client)23:55

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