[00:13] <JontheEchidna> tada: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice
[00:13] <neversfelde> nice :)
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> getting bug 528015 taken care of will allow us to close the remaining 3 in the koffice2 source package entry
[00:19] <Riddell> is that a hint?
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe :)
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> oh, I have a few more archive-adminly things that need gettin' done if you're up to it
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> I'll give you a chance to run for the hills now, though. ;-)
[00:20] <Riddell> what are they?
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> bug 528023, bug 524955 and bug 524957
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> we can also demote kde3 kdelibs to universe after koffice-l10n bites the dust :)
[00:23] <Riddell> 524955 has a question on it
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> oh, I thought I had posted a reply to that
[00:23] <neversfelde> Riddell: I renamed kdebluetooth now, do we need a feature freeze exception for this change?
[00:24] <Riddell> neversfelde: no
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: dantti didn't really have a change, dholbach just read the change to debian/copyright as a change on our end
[00:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, I will attach it to the bug report tomorrow.
[00:25] <Riddell> there are koffice-l10n tars for 2.1.1
[00:25] <Riddell> but separate for each language
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> dang
[00:26] <Riddell> not sure what the best way to package those is
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> where're they hiding them?
[00:26] <Riddell> on ktown
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> hrm, would be nice if they gave a link on their website
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> we could make a hulking monolith like debian does with kde-l10n
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> maybe since koffice is smaller it wouldn't be so bad?
[00:28] <Riddell> I'm included to keep them all separate
[00:28] <Riddell> separate binaries too
[00:28] <Riddell> and have language-support-xx recommend them
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'd never have a monolithic binary package for that
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> what would have to be done to set things up so that they could be handled with our current l10n packaging scripts (or tweaked variants of our scripts)?
[00:33] <Riddell> what scripts?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> the ones used to update the kde l10n packages each release
[00:35] <Riddell> rumours of such scripts are much exaggerated
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> ouch :(
[00:37] <Riddell> there's not much that needs to be scripted, it's just a case of running dch for each package using a bash for loop
[00:38] <Riddell> doing the debuild -S (and debuild if you're doing it properly which takes hours) and uploading is the time sync
[00:42] <Riddell> that's those three bugs done anyway
[00:43]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> nini
[01:30] <yuriy> oh alpha 3 is already out? I guess i'll install that instead of "testing" an image
[02:15] <DWonderly> *grumbles*
[02:15] <DWonderly> I hate getting bad images
[02:33] <yuriy> damn, installer on alpha 3 is crashing on manual partitioning
[02:40] <yuriy> bug 528171
[03:53] <maco2> hmm these .sip files for kdebindings are hard to read
[03:58] <nixternal> they didn't seem hard for me to read, but they hard as hell for me to create...then I found out about the script sime uses to create them...grrr, I wasted a few hours on that one night
[03:59] <maco2> heh
[03:59] <maco2> well im looking at it going "it SAYS namespace Phonon.... so why's the resulting thing have the wrong string for .__class__.__name__ ???"
[04:00] <nixternal> oh, you really want to dive into python
[04:00] <nixternal> what is it giving you?
[04:00] <maco2> PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource instead of PyKDE4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource
[04:01] <maco2> im looking at kdebindings/python/pykde4/sip/phonon/mediasource.sip
[04:02]  * nixternal tries to think of the word to use to describe why...
[04:02] <nixternal> ummm...shoot, what is the word I am looking for
[04:02] <nixternal> because...ummm
[04:02] <nixternal> lol
[04:02] <maco2> "because it's broken"?
[04:02] <nixternal> no no
[04:02] <maco2> PyQt4.phonon.Phonon.MediaSource does it right
[04:05] <nixternal> how are you importing phonon?
[04:05] <nixternal> I can't reproduce it with bpython
[04:05] <nixternal> from PyKDE4.phonon import *
[04:05] <maco2> thats what i'm using
[04:05] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> from PyKDE4.phonon import *
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> foo = Phonon.MediaSource()
[04:05] <nixternal> >>> foo.__class__.__name__
[04:05] <nixternal> 'MediaSource'
[04:06] <maco2> which is wrong
[04:06] <maco2> it should say Phonon.MediaSource
[04:06] <nixternal> MediaSource is the class name though
[04:06] <maco2> but if you try to use a VideoPlayer with .play(foo) it'll tell you it expected a Phonon.MediaSource and instead received a MediaSource
[04:07] <nixternal> >>> foo.__class__
[04:07] <nixternal> <class 'PyKDE4.phonon.MediaSource'>
[04:07] <maco2> see?
[04:07] <nixternal> I see what you are saying
[04:07] <maco2> it's missing a capital-P Phonon
[04:10] <maco2> ooh or...
[04:11] <maco2> this could be a qt designer v. python issue
[04:11] <maco2> qt designer might be putting in the PyQt4 version of phonon not the pykde4 one...
[04:12] <nixternal> ahh, that might explain some funkiness here
[04:12] <maco2> hmm so .ui doesnt specify whether to use the pyqt4 or pykde4 versions of stuff
[04:12] <maco2> so in there it just says Phonon::VideoPlayer
[04:13] <nixternal> right, and that is the Qt Phonon stuff, not the KDE Phonon stuff
[04:13] <maco2> the .py generated by pykdeuic4 imports PyQt4 but of PyKDE4 it ony imports kdeui and kdecore
[04:14] <maco2> so maybe its actually that pykdeuic4 ought to pick PyKDE4.phonon if it encounters phonon stuff?
[04:15]  * maco2 boggles
[04:15] <maco2> the .py generated includes 2 import statements *at the end*
[04:15] <maco2> why would it do that?
[04:16] <nixternal> no idea, I don't use any of the *uic* tools
[04:17] <nixternal> with linuxtoday, reddit, and digg....I have served over 1,000,000 unique hits in less than a week...pretty good, and my server never tanked, and I made a whopping...wait for it...wait for it...$16 from adsense!
[04:17] <nixternal> click damnit click!
[04:18] <maco2> hehe
[04:19] <maco2> ok i see whats happening
[04:19] <maco2> if i play with the generated .py
[04:19] <maco2> i have to remove "from PyQt4 import phonon" from the end of the file and add "from PyKDE4 import phonon" to the beginning of the file
[04:22] <nixternal> or the more correct way, 'from PyKDE4.phonon import *'
[04:22] <nixternal> gotta follow PEP8
[04:24] <maco2> ok or that
[04:29] <nixternal> i just finished watching a thing on tv about software patents...it is ridiculous what is patented...now I can't remember the channel I watched it on, nor the link of really crazy software patents
[04:29] <nixternal> and facebook today patented some news feed stuff...it is just getting out of hand
[04:30] <nixternal> according to this show, Microsoft is sued on average, 5 times a day for patent infringement...and the other big one was...damn, I can't remember now
[04:30] <nixternal> that's what I get for messing with python while trying to watch that :p
[04:30]  * nixternal blames maco2 
[04:31] <ScottK> Apple just won a big Patent suit in Texas.
[04:31] <ScottK> I read about it on Groklaw earlier in the week.
[04:31] <nixternal> does apple have a lot of software patents for their stuff? they didn't say a thing about apple on this show
[04:32] <ScottK> They were getting sued for violating someone else's patent.
[04:32] <nixternal> texas is where everyone sues for patents, easiest place to win
[04:32] <ScottK> Yep
[04:32] <nixternal> my dad was sued back in the 80s for his patents...he told the court in texas to kiss his ass
[04:32] <ScottK> I gather Apple has a pretty strict policy of not settling out of court except in a few rare cases where they agree they goofed.
[04:33] <nixternal> he still isn't out of prison :p just kidding...but he never had to go to court, and ended up winning because he was backed by panasonic who ended up purchasing some of his patents
[04:34] <nixternal> then recently, he was contacted by someone about someone supposedly violating his patents, so my dad called him...told the guy, hey that has been patented by me for almost 30 years...the guy on the other end got nervous and asked what he should do, and my dad said, well I think you at least owe me a beer :)
[04:35] <nixternal> he has like 30 patents, and I couldn't tell you what any of them even do...that deep electronics stuff makes absolutely no sense to me
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[04:40] <DarkwingDuck> Remind me again why I handed out all of my Kubuntu CDs at SCALE?
[04:41] <ScottK> Because you want Lucid, not Karmic and you didn't have any Lucid CDs.
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> I want something stabler to start with on my X41
[04:43] <nixternal> lucid is pretty good right now actually
[04:43] <nixternal> one week without a single hiccup
[04:44] <nixternal> I am probably going to reformat/reinstall with lucid this weekend on this laptop
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> even netbook?
[04:44] <nixternal> ScottK: is knr dirt slow on your dell mini?
[04:45] <nixternal> myself and another guy who was running opensuse with plasma-netbook the other night, both commented on how slow the netbook stuff was on our netbooks
[04:45] <nixternal> wondering if my netbook has a fault somewhere, or is it really that darn slow
[04:45] <nixternal> anyways, bbiaf, gonna go enjoy some ice cream...i fried the roof of my mouth on pizza
[04:47] <DarkwingDuck> KNR will runnin a full 1024x768
[04:47] <DarkwingDuck> right?
[04:48] <DarkwingDuck> this way I can test the wacom interface with it being a tablet
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have the Lucid KNR daily (Or a couple days ago) on a fater server? I'm only able to pull 60kbps down off the server.
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> *faster
[05:03] <daskreech> Is the Lucid ISOs burnable/bootable
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> Daily builds have been for me since pre-alpha
[05:05] <daskreech> Kool
[05:06] <shadeslayer> hnmmm the release page is missing in the announcement
[05:06] <shadeslayer> meh
[05:06] <shadeslayer> the release page is missing screenshots
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> god I hate bogged servers
[05:47] <ScottK> nixternal: How much RAM?
[05:47] <ScottK> It seems to be right on the edge of digging itself into swap with 1GB.
[05:47] <ScottK> I've got an SSD, so I don't notice so much.
[05:48] <ScottK> nixternal: For your OpportunistiK session, you might show how to develop something quick and easy on Kubuntu with PyKDE and then show how to deploy it on Windows, Mac, and Linux.
[06:06] <nixternal> 1GB
[06:06] <ScottK> SSD or hard drive?
[06:06] <nixternal> ScottK: I don't even know where to begin on deploying shit on Mac let alone Windows anymore
[06:06] <nixternal> 160gb hd
[06:07] <ScottK> SSD makes a huge difference in Netbook performance.
[06:07] <ScottK> OK, it was a thought.
[06:07] <nixternal> a good thought though...one that I just might look into to be honest
[06:08] <nixternal> right now, the only feedback I got was create a simple podcatcher with the rss plasma engine and phonon
[06:08] <nixternal> i was thinking get rid of the plasma part, and do a simple podcatcher...very simple podcatcher that someone could expand on
[06:08] <nixternal> ScottK: damn, that windows mac linux thing is about as opportunistic as one can get
[06:09] <nixternal> f'n bingo dude
[06:09] <ScottK> I think one of the keys to catching real opportunistic programmers is to show it's easy to solve real problems they've got at work, quickly and easily.
[06:09] <ScottK> Not being just for Linux is a big part of that.
[06:09] <nixternal> right...i didn't look our that far...that is a really awesome idea
[06:10] <ScottK> Don't think in terms of stuff we'd want in the distro, think in terms of getting your idiot boss to stop screaming at you.
[06:10] <nixternal> i wonder how you would deploy with python and pykde4 on windows and mac...
[06:10] <ScottK> Dunno.
[06:10] <nixternal> i know people who will though, Python Chicago here I come! :)
[06:10] <ScottK> I'd suggest focus on Windows and just mention it's for Mac too.
[06:10] <nixternal> yeah, especially since I don't have a way to test on a mac
[06:22] <markey> apachelogger: someone, you have a very confusing way of writing blogs ;)
[06:22] <markey> I don't really understand what you are saying there
[06:22] <markey> it's full of mythical allusions and inside jokes, I guess
[06:22] <markey> "Opportunistic opportunity"
[06:22] <markey> what is that? :)
[06:22] <markey> s/someone/somehow
[06:23] <nixternal> ScottK: ahh, PyKDE !work with Windows (yet?)
[06:23] <markey> I read it twice, but I still don't get it :p
[06:23] <ScottK> Ah, crap.
[06:24] <markey> The idea is that opportunistic programmers ares doing normal application development like most people think of it.  It's small, one off, scripts or small apps to solve local needs.""
[06:24] <markey> lolwut
[06:25] <nixternal> hehe
[06:25] <markey> can't you just write: "I have idea A. It works like this: B. Thank you for reading."
[06:25] <markey> that would make it easier to parse
[06:25] <nixternal> "Isn't this obvious. A quickly template for Pyside?" WTF? That is the only comment for my opportunistiK call....tom are you in here?
[06:27] <daskreech> nixternal: Ruby Chicago?
[06:28] <hanthana> i would like to localize kubuntu, i have done kde essentials for my language and also continuing the rest of localizing the apps
[06:30] <nixternal> Ruby is as opportunistic as a bullet hole in the head
[06:30] <nixternal> I have been to a few of the Chicago Ruby mixes...cool getting to hang out with the big wigs in the Ruby and Rails communities
[06:31] <daskreech> That's an oppurtunity for bullet and casket makers
[06:35] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.02.25/opportunistik-needs-help/comment-page-1/#comment-5647
[06:35] <nixternal> and that's my answer, or that's my story and I'm stickin' with it
[06:36] <daskreech> nixternal: want to point hanthana to docs? :)
[06:36] <valorie> hi folks, synaptic reports that kdelibs-dbg is broken
[06:36] <valorie> it wants to put in qt-x11-free-dbg instead
[06:36] <valorie> does that sound right?
[06:36] <valorie> the Amarok devs didn't know
[06:37] <nixternal> hanthana: in the next couple of weeks, the docs for kubuntu will be made available on launchpad for localizing
[06:37] <valorie> and that's why I installed kdelibs-dbg in the first place
[06:37] <valorie> to help debug amarok
[06:37] <hanthana> nixternal: daskreech: dude, we are ready to support. but there is no one supporting
[06:37] <nixternal> I think that might already be known as I saw someone talking about that either earlier or yesterday valorie
[06:38] <daskreech> Support the Support of the support!
[06:38] <valorie> should I allow synaptic to do it?
[06:38] <nixternal> what do you mean hanthana that there is no one supporting?
[06:38] <hanthana> i meant giving required info to contributors
[06:38] <nixternal> it doesn't sound right to me
[06:39] <valorie> synaptic reports a broken package
[06:39] <hanthana> 4hrs searching but still no luck
[06:39] <nixternal> hanthana: string freeze is March 25th I believe...until we have a package with the new kubuntu-docs uploaded, there is nothing to translate
[06:39] <valorie> perhaps I should try adept or something and see what It says
[06:39] <nixternal> we are reworking the docs....that's why there is nothing yet...we did a complete rewrite
[06:39] <hanthana> nixternal: where is the po file for kubuntu installer
[06:40] <hanthana> and what are the essential desktop apps for kubuntu
[06:40] <markey> nixternal: really, I'd rethink the naming. it's your call, but "OpportunistiK" is far out.. ;)
[06:40] <markey> it sounds both weird and strange, in a weird way
[06:40] <markey> that makes no sense at all
[06:40] <nixternal> hehe, I had to have a bit of fun so apachelogger couldn't grep planet.ubuntu.com for opportunistic and raise his numbers
[06:41] <markey> that blog, I guess only Kubuntu insiders would understand it
[06:42] <nixternal> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity  <- hanthana, there is the ubiquity installer if that is what you were referring to
[06:43] <nixternal> the essential desktop apps for kubuntu are translated upstream, unless of course that changed, as I do not closely follow translation stuff... dpm would know more about translation stuff than I would for sure
[06:43] <hanthana> nixternal: i am a fedora user not familiar with Ubuntu packages, but i have localized the Debian installer
[06:43] <nixternal> groovy
[06:43] <hanthana> just contributing for the community
[06:43]  * hanthana hate launch pad!
[06:44] <dpm> hanthana, you can also ask translations questions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact#UbuntuTranslators (both for Ubuntu and Kubuntu)
[06:44] <hanthana> nothing going back to upstream
[06:44] <nixternal> markey: what doesn't make sense about my blog post? and I agree with you on harald's post :D
[06:44] <hanthana> dpm: ok
[06:44] <nixternal> damn, I don't think dpm sleeps
[06:44] <dpm> hey nixternal :)
[06:44] <hanthana> anyway, pls update the site with 'how to join' etc
[06:44] <dpm> gout up a bit earlier today to finish off some stuff
[06:45] <dpm> got up
[06:45] <nixternal> dpm: oh yeah, I will email you with a list of the templates to remove...I forgot...need to go through and see what can stay and what can go
[06:45] <nixternal> oh wow, just realized it is 00:45 here..didn't realize it was that late
[06:45] <daskreech> Hmm I just grabbed the Daily Live CD and the md5sums listed on the site aren't the same as the ICO
[06:45] <dpm> nixternal, heh, see who's not sleeping now ;)
[06:45] <hanthana> 12.15 here :)
[06:45] <daskreech> ISO
[06:45] <daskreech> How often is that wrong?
[06:46] <DWonderly> Okay, I forget... whats the command to update my 9.10 to 10.04 Alpha-Current?
[06:46] <daskreech> DWonderly: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't update :)
[06:46] <nixternal> DWonderly: update iso or your computer?
[06:47] <DWonderly> nixternal: computer
[06:47] <markey> nixternal: haven't read yours yet, I meant Harald's ;)
[06:47] <markey> nixternal: sec, gonna read yours
[06:47]  * daskreech ponders burning his last blank with an ISO that doesn't have a correct md5sum
[06:47] <DWonderly> I was going to just DL the ISO but, be quicker this way... maybe
[06:47] <nixternal> update-notifier-kde -u  <- DWonderly
[06:47] <DWonderly> daskreech: I know what I'm doing... just slips my mind.
[06:48] <DWonderly> nixternal: thanks
[06:48] <dpm> nixternal, great, thanks for the update on kubuntu-docs. I'll wait for the e-mail then.
[06:48] <nixternal> I think that will work
[06:48] <nixternal> oh, I was gonna say, mine had to make sense, I poked fun at Harald and asked what kind of app I should write for my presentation :)
[06:48] <DWonderly> I'll say this... KNE looks good on tablets
[06:48] <markey> nixternal: yeah, yours is easier to understand ;)
[06:48] <nixternal> I just saw your buzz
[06:48] <markey> got it now
[06:48] <nixternal> stupid buzz
[06:49] <markey> nixternal: yeah I saw your blog on Buzz, not on Planet KDE. got all confused
[06:49] <markey> this cross-aggregating is becoming weird
[06:49] <markey> you can't tell anymore what the actual source of something is ;)
[06:49] <nixternal> "I help you double your income, doing what you love. And, I ride a 5' tall unicycle!!"  ...shit, sign me up!
[06:50] <nixternal> yeah, it was for planet.ubuntu.com...I don't post all of my stuff to kde anymore, as there are to many distro-x fanboys who do nothing more than waste bandwidth
[06:50] <nixternal> if I say Kubuntu in a post on planetkde.org, I will be tarred and feathered
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, this is better
[06:51] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: you in Mississippi yet?
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> No. 20th
[06:51] <nixternal> how in the hell did you pull that for a duty station being a brown shoe?
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> of March
[06:51] <nixternal> you had to get in trouble :p
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> I'm an Aviation...
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I got hurt :/
[06:51] <nixternal> ouch, that sucks
[06:52] <valorie> ugh, after researching, I decided to let synaptic do what it wanted, which was to reinstall and ADD the qt--x11-free-dbg
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... Oh well
[06:52] <hanthana> this is very funny.. jumping to channel by channel :D
[06:52] <valorie> now it errors out: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/qt-x11-free-dbg_3%3a3.3.8-b-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qvfb', which is also in package libqt4-dbg 4
[06:52] <ScottK> Good night all.
[06:52] <markey> nite ScottK
[06:52] <valorie> oops
[06:53] <valorie> so any suggestions?
[06:53] <markey> valorie: what did you actually try to do there? :)
[06:53] <DarkwingDuck> But nixternal, I finally have a laptop again
[06:53] <valorie> reinstall kdelibs-dbg
[06:53] <markey> hm
[06:53] <markey> but why :)
[06:54] <valorie> because it is reported as broken
[06:54] <hanthana> seems #ubuntu-translators are sleeping :(
[06:55] <valorie> I have a bunch of updates to do, but cannot while there is a broken package
[06:55] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: woohoo!
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[06:55] <DarkwingDuck> ThinkPad X41 Tablet
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> and it's -d rather then -u
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> -u is latest release and -d the latest Devel
[06:56] <nixternal> better than my old dell laptop or compaq laptop that I use religiously still
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[06:56] <nixternal> what are you going to be doing at good ol' McCain Air Field?
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> arresting gear and field support
[06:57] <nixternal> damn, you should have tried for Pax River instead
[06:57] <dpm> hanthana, please, be patient, people are not there 24/7. It's 07:54 am in Europe, for example, and most people are just starting the day. Furthermore, you haven't posted a question there, only what you are doing. What is the actual question? How can we help you?
[06:57] <nixternal> they have all the bad ass squadrons there
[06:57] <DarkwingDuck> oh yeah... VT-3 and VT-5
[06:57] <dpm> hanthana, if there are no answers on IRC, you cal always use the mailing list
[06:57] <daskreech> nixternal: who has the good ass?
[06:57] <DarkwingDuck> also, we are the backup home of the Blue Angels
[06:57] <nixternal> I used to party hard with the VT wings
[06:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[06:57] <nixternal> they had the best beach parties at pax
[06:58] <DarkwingDuck> Im actually looking forward to it
[06:58] <nixternal> and it was a blast breaking into the marine corps barracks and stealing their ugly bull dog
[06:59] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[06:59] <DarkwingDuck> Sounds like the fun I had with the Army nerds at Goodfellow AFB
[07:00] <nixternal> http://www.navair.navy.mil/  <- DarkwingDuck that's where you want to be as a brown shoe....that's where pre-astronauts train for nasa...that was my last duty station, and it made me wish I was a brown shoe because of all the awesome toys and testing
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> I almost landed Key West but, they didn't want to spend the $$ to send me to south Florida
[07:00] <nixternal> I was there when they were crashing all of the ospreys
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[07:00] <DarkwingDuck> its a good spot
[07:01] <nixternal> i hated living in that area though, and that was probably due to my ex-wife..under different circumstances I think I could live there
[07:02] <DarkwingDuck> Meridian is about an hour and a half from the wifes family
[07:02] <DarkwingDuck> So, she is MORE then happy
[07:02] <nixternal> oh lord, don't say I didn't warn you...unless of course you get along with your inlaws
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> I actually do LOL
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> Kinda strange
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> My father in law is happy that he thinks he will have a hunting buddy LOL
[07:04] <nixternal> so, I went up to great mistakes this week...let me just say, after seeing the new uniforms, I am glad I am not in the navy anymore
[07:05] <DarkwingDuck> LOL They arn't actually THAT bad. Actually kinda comfy. I'm NOT happy about giving E-1 - E-6 kahki shirts though
[07:06] <nixternal> no, they are stupid looking
[07:06] <nixternal> yeah, that would piss me off...here I busted my ass to be a kahki, and now e-1 through e-6 have them...piss off :)
[07:07] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know
[07:07] <nixternal> ScottK: did you see the new navy uniforms?
[07:07] <nixternal> coast guard + army + smurfs == new navy uniforms
[07:08] <DarkwingDuck> Jungle Smurfs
[07:09] <nixternal> so when you fall in the water, the sharks won't see you, nor will your shipmates...whope you got a chem pack on that bad boy :)
[07:09] <DarkwingDuck> Oh well... on ships I wear bright yellow :P
[07:10] <nixternal> on ships, I wore either shorts all day or my dungarees...yeah baby, bell bottom jeans ftw!
[07:10] <DarkwingDuck> Hehehehe
[07:10] <DarkwingDuck> You make Chief before you sep?
[07:10] <nixternal> senior chief
[07:11] <nixternal> actually made master chief, but got out before being frocked
[07:11] <nixternal> didn't know I made it until after I was out, by like 3 days..it was the same week, I do know that
[07:12] <DarkwingDuck> lol GM right?
[07:13] <nixternal> NO!
[07:13] <nixternal> GMG!!!
[07:13] <nixternal> you silly ass youngsters trying to remove my guns
[07:13] <nixternal> :)
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> Ok ok... GMG
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> GMGCM
[07:14] <nixternal> GMGMC
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> Has a nice ring to it ;)
[07:14] <DarkwingDuck> CS and CM... at least it is now
[07:14] <nixternal> yeah, my master chief did the GMMC, and I told him I will never be just a GM, as I wasn't a generalist
[07:14] <nixternal> I didn't work on missiles, MK45 only
[07:14] <nixternal> and the occasional MK38
[07:15] <Riddell> nice, a topic specific Kubuntu book http://iaclub.ist.psu.edu/2010/basic-penetration-testing-kubuntu-style/
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> ahh how ya
[07:15] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell... your name kept popping up at SCALE
[07:16] <Riddell> err, really?
[07:16] <Riddell> from whom?
[07:16] <DarkwingDuck> A few here and there... Jono asked if I had met you.
[07:17] <DarkwingDuck> The KDE booth guys
[07:17] <nixternal> ahh, I wonder if that is the same griffith that was asking me questions the other day
[07:17] <Riddell> who was on the KDE booth?  (I should chase them up for a Dot News article)
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh. crap... I have names somewhere...
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> Couple locals... not the best booth this year... 3 laptops
[07:18] <DarkwingDuck> If it wasn't for me bringing over some Kubuntu CDs they wouldn't have had any handouts
[07:18] <Riddell> tsk
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> yeah I know.
[07:19] <nixternal> i would figure blauzal, but I saw a bunch of openSUSE stuff in the pics...maybe will was around?
[07:20] <DarkwingDuck> the Ubuntu Booth I was a part of handed out around 2500 CDs between Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Server
[07:21] <nixternal> if they got a conference pack, they got 1500 Ubuntu Desktop CDs, 500 Server CDs, and 500 Kubuntu CDs...and like I said earlier, for me Kubuntu goes at a faster rate here in Chicago
[07:21] <nixternal> actually, at every event I have been too...people are quick to do "ewww KDE" but they sure are just as quick to grab a Kubuntu CD
[07:22] <DarkwingDuck> Esp when you show them 4.3
[07:22] <nixternal> that or I act like a wise guy and plan on taking them out if they don't :)
[07:23] <nixternal> Use Kubuntu, or else this guy, http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/4314711628/ will come after you!
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[07:24] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[07:26] <daskreech> I was about to mention that Kubuntu CDs go faster at the conferences that nixternal is at ... because they are conferences that nixternal is at
[07:27] <nixternal> I think it is time to become metrosexual and less meat head/goodfellas character
[07:28] <nixternal> though, meat head is fun...how many nerds do you know can benchpress over 300 pounds?
[07:28] <nixternal> dunno many open source hackers who played college ball either...i know a couple at microsoft, but not here in our awesome world
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> heh. I'm going to have to make it up there to Chi-Town again some day
[07:32] <nixternal> good, you can buy me some beers then :)
[07:32] <daskreech> Lupe!
[07:33] <nixternal> as long as it isn't a nasty jamaican beer :p
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> Of course
[07:33] <nixternal> red stripe ftw!
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> Just like any good PO2 would do
[07:34] <nixternal> Goose Island Matilda, the best beer there is righ tnow
[07:34] <nixternal> there are a few IPAs out there that I absolutely love
[07:34] <nixternal> dogfish head has a great ipa
[07:35] <DarkwingDuck> Nice
[07:46] <daskreech> Yay!
[07:46] <daskreech> No Red stripe for nixternal
[07:46] <daskreech> more for the nasty Jamaicans :)
[07:50] <DarkwingDuck> Hehehe
[07:50] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, almost done with the upgrade
[07:51] <daskreech> meanwhile I downloaded the ISO twice and burnt it
[07:51] <daskreech> I could have installed it as well :)
[07:53] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[08:18] <agateau> apachelogger: hi!
[08:18] <agateau> apachelogger: just read your latest post, and laughed quite a bit :)
[08:19] <agateau> apachelogger: I am wondering if you did not mean to say KDE in this sentence "You do not like that GNOME is using a closed source toolkit"
[08:19] <agateau> apachelogger: or am I opportunisticly lost?
[08:27] <nixternal> agateau: right, I thought the same with that line
[08:29] <Riddell> is that post ment to make any sense?
[08:29] <nixternal> probably not, like markey said, booze and weed may have contributed :)
[08:30] <Riddell> surely not, this is harald, probably just too many sweeties
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> oh poppy...
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> wacom stopped working as soon as I updated to 10.04A
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> Now to figure out why I can'y use my tablet
[08:34] <nixternal> "I am trying to locate GMC(SW) Willie B. Tate. I know he was stationed on the IOWA, MONONGAHELA, IKE and in Pax River. He retired in Norfolk a couple of years ago. If anyone knows how to contact him, please let me know. BZ Goatlocker, great site! Thanks shipmates."  <- whoa, I was searching for old shipmates, and someone is looking for my old chief too...from 2001, so I don't think her email address will still be the same
[08:37] <nixternal> sent an email anyways
[08:49] <DarkwingDuck> Is there an X11 configuration for KDE?
[08:55] <Riddell> no
[08:56] <Sput> what is "X11 configuration"? things like dual monitors etc can be handled with krandrtray or the newish KCM
[08:56] <Sput> not sure what else is there to configure
[08:58] <DarkwingDuck> Tablet input
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> the wacom inputs for my tablet were working in 9.10
[09:00] <DarkwingDuck> But, while the drivers are all still there the tablet input stopped working on the update
[09:06] <DarkwingDuck> I'll dig tomorrow. *sigh*
[09:30] <shadeslayer> btw what line should i add to rules for the patch system?
[09:31] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[09:56] <Riddell> Lex79: I'll upload qt4 from kubuntu ninjas now
[10:07] <Riddell> Lex79: why did libphonon4.symbols get generated at build?
[10:40] <apachelogger> agateau: nope, that was theoretical, based on all the mono whining :P, but yeah, that sentence started off with KDE ;)
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell, nixternal: only caffeine and reading a couple of days worth of planet ubuntu was involved
[10:41] <agateau> apachelogger: I thought it was a reference to the creation of GNOME, being free-er than KDE which was built on non-free Qt
[10:42] <Mamarok> apachelogger: what did you smoke when you wrote that blog? It's utterly confusing...
[10:42] <apachelogger> agateau: yeah, but then again that would make those people that do not understand what opportunistic programming is claim that gnome is opportunistic software
[10:43] <apachelogger> just imagine the amount of blog posts I would have to read about that...
[10:43] <agateau> :)
[10:43] <apachelogger> opportunistic gnome here, opportunistic gnome there, <3 gnome...
[10:44] <apachelogger> Mamarok: it is just very insidish
[10:44] <Mamarok> well, then it should not be on planetkde.org, nobody understands it
[10:45] <Mamarok> it makes people think you are really confused :)
[10:45] <Mamarok> and you managed to confuse Jono :)
[10:46] <apachelogger> must write a disclaimr then
[10:47] <apachelogger> "madness due to ubuntu, must go to debian, ktxhbai"
[10:47] <apachelogger> that shoudl also be short enough so markey gets it ^^
[10:47] <apachelogger> though I must agree, I should get rss feeds of tags to the planets
[10:48] <Mamarok> yep, that might be a good diea :)
[10:48] <Mamarok> idea even
[10:50] <apachelogger> first I must explain that opportunistic blog post though, and confuse jono even more :/
[10:50] <allee-m> anyone working already on it: karmic 4.3 -> 4.4: a) existing use with nepomuk data:  akonadi does not start.   b) New user: akonadi starts buts warns: nepomuk could not be enabled.  Nepomuk errmsg:  There is no configuration file .ini
[10:52] <Riddell> nepomuk will need virtuosoconverter
[10:52] <Riddell> I haven't put that in main though
[10:54] <allee-m> Riddell: virtuosoconverter was installed and sucessful.   But a new created user should not need converter.  So deeper problem is:   the no .ini file I get for the freshly created user
[10:58] <apachelogger> "Everything we ship in Ubuntu is free software."
[10:59] <apachelogger> *cough* nvidia *cough* radeon
[11:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, one needs to invoke the converter manually, so I wonder about its use
[11:03] <Riddell> allee-m: do you have a .cache directory?
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: it should get run by nepomuk, we patched it to do so
[11:04] <apachelogger> oh
[11:04] <apachelogger> in that case I wonder why upstream does not do that
[11:04] <Riddell> well the patch came from upstream
[11:05] <allee-m> Riddell: new created user: no  I checked with find $HOME . -iname .cache
[11:05] <Riddell> allee-m: you're using the karmic 4.4 packages?
[11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is getting more and more confusing ^^
[11:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think trueg doesn't want to support virtuosoconverter officially because there was never a stable KDE release using virtuoso 5 and it's a bit hackey (contains a full copy of virtuoso5 sources)
[11:06] <allee-m> Riddell: yes, including yesterdays? 4.4.0 ... karmic1~ppa3
[11:07] <Riddell> soprano's kubuntu_01_config_path.diff patch needs updated in PPA then
[11:08] <allee-m> that virtuoso for an user that used 4.3 may fail, not good but with a 4.4 an a newly created user that's no good as it should affect many new users/installations
[11:11] <allee-m> Riddell: bzr path to kubuntu_01_config_path.diff ?
[11:12] <Riddell> allee-m: it's not in bzr, it's in the soprano package in lucid, I'll upload it to the PPA in a second
[11:13]  * allee-m checks lucid netbook
[11:15] <Riddell> uploaded
[11:17] <allee-m> thx   I'll check if this fixes the problem for new created user.   Then I'll try to find what goes wrong after virtusoconverter did run on existing nepomuk installations
[11:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[12:14] <Riddell> markey: ok if I add the kstatusnotifieritem patch to our package in lucid?  http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/merge_requests/130
[12:14] <markey> Riddell: sure, but could maybe wait until we have tested it?
[12:14] <markey> cause, we haven't tested it at all yet
[12:15] <markey> want to make sure it works properly...
[12:15] <markey> that said, I tend to trust Aurelien
[12:15] <markey> it's probably good :)
[12:16] <Riddell> markey: I'd rather do it now because UI freeze is next week
[12:17] <markey> Riddell: ah ok, then no problem, if it works OK for you :)
[12:17] <Riddell> yes assuming my testing works, still compiling here
[12:17] <shadeslayer> Weird bug : Plymouth doesnt launch via lucid alpha 3
[12:18] <shadeslayer> and i cant virtualize the iso via kvm either :)
[12:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does for me, maybe it doesn't like your graphics card
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably... i have a nvidia card
[12:18] <shadeslayer> but virtualization should work right?
[12:18] <Riddell> yes
[12:18] <shadeslayer> doesnt...
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Boot failed : could not read bootdisk :P
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/SV3xUt.html
[12:21] <Riddell> folks in #ubuntu-testing might know more, I rarely use virtualisation myself
[12:21] <shadeslayer> hmm.. ok
[12:21] <shadeslayer> well when i write the image to a USB it works
[12:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently i was missing -cdrom :P
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: gotta go, be back later
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh about the boot screen,should i report a bug?
[13:07] <markey> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-releases-Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-Alpha-3-941337.html
[13:07] <markey> :D
[13:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:11] <shadeslayer> markey: eh?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> markey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?
[13:12] <markey> me?
[13:12] <markey> no
[13:12] <markey> I'm not a kubuntu dev
[13:12] <markey> I just hang around here, talking bullshit
[13:13] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:13] <shadeslayer> anyone know how to do the above?
[13:22] <agateau> shadeslayer: I guess Riddell or ScottK would know ^
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i hope im not bothering :)
[13:23] <Riddell> I don't understand why ubuntu-dev-tools is needed
[13:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger taught me earlier that we had to authorize it to upload packages to PPA's
[13:37] <jussi01> nixternal: ping
[13:39] <shadeslayer> jussi01: any ideas about PPA's?
[13:40] <jussi01> shadeslayer: youve asked your question, just be patient, and dont ping everyone :)
[13:45] <shadeslayer> jussi01: okies :)
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what PPA do you want to upload to?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i found what i was looking for ;)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its : manage-credentials
[14:11] <shadeslayer> hit and trial :P
[14:16] <MidMark> Hi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which plugins I need to compile?
[14:16] <MidMark> Hi I have a quick question if anyone knows, to enable scim to be used with qt4, which qt plugins I need to compile?
[14:18] <Riddell> you need to install scim-bridge-client-qt4
[14:21] <MidMark> Riddell: ok, but if I'm compiling my own qt shall I include that one or something else?
[14:23] <MidMark> like libqtaccessiblewidgets.so is also needed?
[14:23] <Riddell> no that's for the accessiblity stuff not input methods
[14:27] <MidMark> so I just need qcncodecs qjpcodecs qkrcodecs qtwcodecs and that it? inputmethods is built automatically I guess
[14:28] <Riddell> yes
[14:29] <MidMark> cool thanks
[14:30] <MidMark> Riddell: and this scim-bridge-client-qt4 will work with my custom qt as well?
[14:30] <Riddell> it should do, might need a recompile
[14:30] <Riddell> certainly will need to be put in the plugin location for your qt build
[14:31] <MidMark> hmm I'm compiling statically
[14:31] <MidMark> I mean the whole binary is together with qt
[14:38] <Riddell> ScottK or anyone going to be around for the release meeting?  I'm going to be out
[14:38] <ScottK> Riddell: I should be around.
[14:38] <ScottK> What do I need to say?
[14:39] <Riddell> ScottK: see foot of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[14:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:39] <ScottK> I'll take care of it.
[14:39] <Riddell> super
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmm... kfi broken in karmic?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> i get : http://paste.ubuntu.com/384407/
[14:44]  * Riddell removes kdevelop from the archive and puts it into beta PPA
[14:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Is koffice 2 still in Universe or did it get promoted.
[14:48] <Riddell> ScottK: koffice is now koffice 2 and it is in universe (because upstream weren't too confident of its quality for main)
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: So we'll have no koffice in Main for this cycle?
[14:48] <Riddell> right
[14:48] <ScottK> ok
[14:49] <Riddell> koffice and kdevelop are the last two parts of KDE 4 transition pain
[14:50] <ScottK> What's the plan for kdevelop?
[14:50] <Riddell> see above, I just put it in kubuntu-ppa/beta
[14:51] <Riddell> final release isn't until May
[14:51] <ScottK> So it won't be in the archive at all this cycle?
[14:51] <Riddell> right
[14:51] <Riddell> for karmic we left in the beta release and they got all grumpy, it was removed shortly after release
[14:51] <ScottK> But we can put it in lucid-backports right after release....
[14:51] <Riddell> yep
[14:52] <agateau> heh, they don't want users to play with their beloved toys :)
[14:53] <Riddell> they don't want old beta versions hanging around for people to report bugs from long after they've been fixed
[14:53] <shadeslayer> agateau: hehe... well the users wont poke themselves in the eye with the sharp edges of their toys :P
[14:54] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[15:00] <Riddell> dpm: I'm packaging koffice-l10n-xx which will go in universe, what needs to be done to have those installed by users without hainvg to think?  presumably add to something in language-selector?
[15:04] <dpm> Riddell, I'm not sure, sorry. I know language-selector is involved, but Arne tends to take care of the packaging side, and he does not seem to be there today. You could perhaps look at the openoffice.org-l10n-* or thunderbird-locale-* packages to see how they're doing it
[15:07] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> neat: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-February/001140.html
[16:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yay
[16:15] <jetdrone> hey guys are there any junior development tasks to do for helping the kubuntu project? I'd like to participate but don't really know where to start and the wiki doesn't contain much info on that...
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey :)
[16:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was checking the status of libdbusmenu-qt build
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems that the build servers are still broken on that point
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have any info on that point ?
[16:21] <Nightrose> hey jetdrone - nice to hear - Riddell, JontheEchidna and apachelogger can probably give you a good task
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: libqjson is built for days now, and available...
[16:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, good question
[16:24] <Riddell> hi jetdrone, thanks for joining, do stay around
[16:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaics the packages seem to build and archives to be up to date... I don't know who to ping on that point
[16:26] <Riddell>  libqjson-dev being in universe won't help
[16:26] <jetdrone> Cool Nightrose, Riddell, just tell me some project that needs some help. I'll leave this computer for a while and login later
[16:29] <seele> was a decision made on what to do about the installer updates?
[16:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think qjson needs a MIR :(
[16:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum indeed...
[16:31] <Riddell> ooh bug 387392
[16:32] <Riddell> seele: no paticular resolution, I think a behaviour change would need evan convinced to do the code
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the question is, why is qjson in universe then ? :)
[16:33] <Riddell> probably got demoted when kopete-facebook disappeared
[16:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah
[16:34] <Riddell> promoted
[16:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice, I'll restart the builds when available
[16:35] <nixternal> jussi01: pong
[16:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please retry when it gets into main
[16:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb
[16:44] <ubuntu> Hello
[16:44] <ubuntu> hi Nightrose
[17:28] <Nightrose> hi ubuntu
[17:28] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:28] <Nightrose> whoever you are
[17:32] <ubuntu> The distro of mystery
[17:34]  * ubuntu saves the day and vanishes into the /dev/null
[17:44] <KDesk> Hi, could you remove the python2.5 dependency of the python-kde4 package?   python-kde4 already depends on python (>= 2.5) and python (< 2.7). This causes to have python 2.5 and 2.6 installed at the same time with the Kubuntu backports PPA repo.
[18:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I forgot what I wanted anyway :)
[18:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when did I say that ubuntu-dev-tools is necessary to upload to a PPA?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you didnt..
[18:10] <apachelogger> so why do you claim that I said such nonsense: P
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i meant that ubuntu-dev-tools needed authentication
[18:10] <apachelogger> no doubt I say a lot of nonesense, but usually it is not development related ;)
[18:10] <shadeslayer> i thought i was explicit on that?
[18:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sounds to me like I told you that you need it to uplaod to a PPA
[18:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: did you read that the kfritz md5 problem is fixed? :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i meant that
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but apparently it was taken in some other sense
[18:11] <apachelogger> neversfelde: yep, I would have reviewied it between studying for exam on taxes, but fortunately enough business economics always drives me into deep deep sleep
[18:11] <neversfelde> apachelogger: :)
[18:11]  * apachelogger just slept 5 hours :D
[18:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: anyhow, I also told you that the tools that require authentication will tell you how to obtain that
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and like i said i didnt sleep tight yesterday... woke up at 6 AM :D
[18:12] <apachelogger> which is manage-credentials, and when you lok at the manpage of that you will find the appropriate command to run
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did find it
[18:13] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:13] <apachelogger> oki ^^
[18:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from the logs : [13:12] <shadeslayer> markey: oh btw do you know how to authourize ubuntu-dev-tools to upload to a PPA?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> just clearing the air ;)
[18:17] <apachelogger> well, no matter what it sounds bogus :P
[18:17] <allee-m> Riddell:  the new soprano pkgs fixes nepomuk service for a fresh created user.  Thx.    Nevertheless I wonder why use a new-introduced dot dir ~/.cache  in the HOME instead of somewhere below $KDEHOME/share/apps/<whatever>
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bogus?
[18:17] <apachelogger> ubuntu-dev-tools doesn't have anything to do with uploads
[18:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: google dict bogus
[18:17] <kubotu> Results for dict bogus: 1. bogus - definition of bogus by the Free Online Dictionary ...: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bogus | 2. dict.cc Wörterbuch :: bogus :: Deutsch-Englisch-Übersetzung: http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/bogus.html | 3. ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin/ - FTP Browser: http://www.filewatcher.com/b/ftp/ftp.dict.org/bogus/TAR_FILES/usr.bin.0.0.html
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i know what it means ><
[18:17] <apachelogger> in that case :P
[18:17] <shadeslayer> ok well ill try to be more explicit next time
[18:18] <apachelogger> kk
[18:20]  * shadeslayer goes and continues playing with the debian/rules
[18:46] <Lex79> Riddell: libphonon symbols is generated at build like the others symbol files, no need to keep symbols.in file if you build with pkg-kde-tools > 0.6, it has new feauture to create symbols (dh --with pkgkde_symbolshelper addon)
[18:47] <Lex79> so if you keep pkgkde-symbolshelper symbolfile -p blablabla in rules, it will ftbs
[19:17] <jussi01> ok, this is curious I have 2 nvidia drivers "activated" and jockey-says neither of them in use? its rather weird me thinks. How do I actually get this machine to use the nvidia driver?
[20:48]  * Lure is a bit concerned that kdevelop4 schedule will cause similar problems as digikam/karmic did :-(
[20:48] <Lure> http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/KDevelop_4/4.0_Release_Schedule
[20:54] <ScottK> Lure: kdevelop is removed from Lucid for those reasons.
[20:54] <ScottK> It'll be available in lucid-backports once it's released.
[21:10] <Lure> ScottK: ok, better
[21:27] <Riddell> allee-k: soprano isn't part of KDE so can't use .kde
[21:27] <Riddell> ~ninjas 4.4.1 on ktown
[21:27] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, stdin, nixternal, Quintasan and vorian ... to the Batcave!
[21:28] <ScottK> Nice.  Saves me writing a patch to fix a netbook crash.
[22:00] <allee-k> Riddell: on an 'old' account I've also seen that other apps use ~/.cache too.  So it's not a bit deal.  (if it's not KDE, AFAIK .config or .local are FreeDesktop equivs to  .kde/share/{config,apps} respectively)
[22:01] <allee-k> s/bit/big/   but I assume that something to discuss with upstream.
[23:22] <binarylooks> is ubuntuone meant to work in lucid? I tried the gnome client but no success?
[23:44]  * ryanakca wonders from what era these KDE icons are from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/3d/Icons.html
[23:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: They weren't in official kde, were they?
[23:49] <apachelogger> Sure not KDE 2 or 3, they had very distincted icon styles.
[23:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: not sure... I just followed the link from http://hobbit.ict.griffith.edu.au/~anthony/icons/appl/desktop/Icons.html .
[23:50] <ryanakca> Probably weren't
[23:51] <apachelogger> 3rd party for sure :P
[23:51] <apachelogger> though from the quality I would put them in KDE 1
[23:53]  * ryanakca nods
[23:55] <binarylooks> (I almost don't dar to ask, but is there a ubuntuone plan for lucid? Right now it doesn't work with the gnome client)