[00:00] <penguin42> Nitsuga: I'm confused because it was the !multiverse - I know of 'multiverse' but not '!multiverse'
[00:00] <rww> penguin42: the ! just means there's a factoid about it
[00:00] <penguin42> oh got you
[00:00] <sebsebseb> !multiverse
[00:00] <rww> alright. I'll research it and then poke at the existing factoid sometime this week, I think.
[00:01] <sebsebseb> rww: right, but it can't really be changed, untill Lucid has been released
[00:01] <sebsebseb> rww: unless the change is only for this channel
[00:02] <penguin42> it's not in multiverse
[00:02] <rww> penguin42: Sun Java doesn't exist in Lucid. It /used to/ be in multiverse.
[00:03] <penguin42> that's going to screw a lot of people up
[00:04] <sebsebseb> penguin42: things change also Sun no longer exist, well I guess they do,  but part of Oracale
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky-vm> especially since this is LTS (long term release)
[00:04] <rww> I guess it's a real-world lesson in not relying on closed-source silliness.
[00:04] <penguin42> sebsebseb: That's just a name though - why remove the package completely?
[00:05] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Java is essential in most businesses for one thing or another and icedtea just doesn't work
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky-vm> penguin42: rww probably to fix thee open version once for good
[00:05] <penguin42> MaximLevitsky-vm: Doing that on an LTS is somewhere between brave and foolhardy
[00:05] <sebsebseb> penguin42: foolhardy???
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky-vm> penguin42: and it doesn't work because not all of java was open sourced
[00:06] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Dumb
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky-vm> penguin42: they replaced these parts with new free implemenations
[00:06] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I know what a fool is, but foolhardy that's new to me
[00:06] <sebsebseb> for me
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky-vm> penguin42: but these parts aren't bug to bug compatable
[00:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: 'Unwisely bold or venturesome; rash. See synonyms at reckless'
[00:07] <sebsebseb> MaximLevitsky-vm: bug to bug hrm,  yeah like Internet Explorer
[00:07] <sebsebseb> business intranet apps
[00:07] <sebsebseb> that rely on bugs in Internet Explorer
[00:07] <MaximLevitsky-vm> sebsebseb: exactly....
[00:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, a lot work fine with Sun java; and things like a lot of SANs and the like need Java to manage them
[00:07] <sebsebseb> that's  probably the reason why loads of business's  still use Internet Explorer 6
[00:07] <sebsebseb> however it's daft
[00:08] <sebsebseb> they could have another browser for the actsual  web as well, for example Firefox
[00:08] <sebsebseb> penguin42: SANs ?
[00:08] <sebsebseb> I thought hardly anyone used Java anymore, since Flash
[00:08] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Storage Area Networks - people use Flash for Fun stuff, they still use Java for management consoles and the like
[00:09] <sebsebseb> I thought Java was mainly still used today for Java applets?
[00:09] <rww> sebsebseb: that.. would make sense ;P
[00:09] <jpapertowel> how well would a 3d mmorph run in flash compared to java o.O
[00:09] <jpapertowel> mmorpg*
[00:09] <sebsebseb> rww: it seems you were just sarcastic.  also I don't really follow Java and where it's used and what not
[00:09] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/420426/comments/35
[00:09] <rww> so maybe it'll end up in the partner repo. who knows.
[00:10] <rww> sebsebseb: Saying that Java is used to run Java applets is somewhat tautological...
[00:10] <sebsebseb> rww: tautological not sure what that means, but  I assume your using that word instead of obvious
[00:11] <sebsebseb> anyway wow  business's using Java instead of Microsoft junk
[00:12] <sebsebseb> penguin42:   MaximLevitsky-vm  who uses Ubuntu mainly?  Home users that's who
[00:13] <sebsebseb> penguin42:  MaximLevitsky-vm   How many of these home users want Java?  Not many at all,  so I guess that issue won't be much of a big deal
[00:13] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Many business guys use it
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky-vm> sebsebseb: I do, and I have too
[00:13] <penguin42> sebsebseb: I bet there are home banking systems that use it (I don't know any but I'd bet there are some)
[00:13] <jpapertowel> does lucid's lilo work with software raid1?
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky-vm> sebsebseb: my uni math assigments are in java applet...
[00:13] <sebsebseb> penguin42: many business's use Ubuntu since when?   as far as I know it's still Windows with most of that market,  and then for servers it's Debian and Redhat and I guess CentOS, not Ubuntu
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky-vm> sebsebseb: and yes open java doesn't work well
[00:14] <penguin42> sebsebseb: A lot of those admins who maintain the Debian/Redhat systems like to have Ubuntu on their own machine!
[00:14] <jpapertowel> debian can be a beautiful desktop system too >.>
[00:15] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu is probably a pretty good server distro, but  Debian, Redhat, and CentOS are much more likely to be used as a server
[00:15] <sebsebseb> jpapertowel: yes Debain can be a good desktop distro as well
[00:16] <sebsebseb> MaximLevitsky-vm: Gnash and Swfdec won't work as good as  Flash either, but they are getting there
[00:16] <sebsebseb> MaximLevitsky-vm: Wine won't work as well as real Windows for loads of Windows apps, but it is getting there
[00:16] <sebsebseb> things take time,  also as time goes by certain software becomes obsolute
[00:16] <rww> that reminds me, I should install gnash in Lucid and see how it's going
[00:17] <rww> although I don't use Flash much any more anyway. I only used it for youtube, and youtube-dl + ffmpeg2ogg does that for me :)
[00:17] <penguin42> sebsebseb: icedtea seems to have a much lower success score for me
[00:18] <sebsebseb> penguin42: MaximLevitsky-vm  well I assume running Windows java in  Wine in a browser their,  will work quite well
[00:19] <penguin42> sebsebseb: You may as well run Windows if you are going to get that nutty
[00:19] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I would avoide doing stuff like that personalley, but these so called business's who want Java so badly, might do it
[00:19] <sebsebseb> penguin42: as for running real Windows, well virtual machines :D
[00:20] <penguin42> sebsebseb: If you put people in that position they just never transition to Linux
[00:20] <sebsebseb> penguin42: which position?
[00:20] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Of making it difficult to get their work done
[00:22] <sebsebseb> penguin42: running some apps in Wine isn't a big deal,  running a Windows vm, well got to wait for it to boot up
[00:22] <penguin42> sebsebseb: We should take this elsewhere, but I've been through these types of scenarious at work in a few companies
[00:23] <avi_> hey, does Alpha 3 come with the new Plymouth boot thing by default?
[00:23] <sebsebseb> penguin42:  Having to Wine or Windows virtual machine Java would be sucky though
[00:23] <penguin42> avi_: Yes
[00:23] <avi_> okay, and is it enabled by default? Also, can I ensure that my gfx card will be supported? I read somewhere it doesn't like ATI cards.
[00:23] <sebsebseb> penguin42: What I just put is a good ending,  so convo over I guess
[00:24] <penguin42> avi_: It likes my Radeon card
[00:24] <penguin42> avi_: Which one have you got?
[00:24] <jpapertowel> jesus, just installed alpha 3 from mini.iso with minimum possible installation - booted up, -/+ buffers/cache: 575 used
[00:25] <avi_> ATI Radeon HD 2600
[00:25] <avi_> Its in a 2008 iMac, if it matters.
[00:25] <penguin42> avi_: Do you know which chip that is?
[00:25] <avi_> hmm, chip?
[00:26] <penguin42> avi_: It seems to be an RV630 - I think the 6's just work (mine is a 7xx chip and that just went in)
[00:26] <avi_> ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro (just checked)
[00:26] <avi_> sounds great!
[00:26] <avi_> Any reason I shouldn't upgrade from 9.10?
[00:27] <avi_> As opposed to making an a3 install cd?
[00:27] <penguin42> avi_: Remember it's still Alpha, some things break; it might break really badly and you could lose data - have a good backup and no how to fix things!
[00:27] <penguin42> oh upgrade? Oh sure - upgrade seems fine for me - use the do-release-upgrade script
[00:28] <penguin42> (or update-manager)
[00:28] <avi_> That's fine, it's just sort of a ubuntu-for-the-hell-of-it thing.
[00:28] <avi_> I dualboot my stable OS X and ubuntu.
[00:28] <avi_> so even if ubuntu fails completely, I'm fine.
[00:28] <avi_> Furthermore my OS X install is regularly backed up, so even if it manages to mess with my OS X partition, I'm safe. :D
[00:29] <penguin42> avi_: Well it could take out MacOS on the same drive if it really goes screwy
[00:29] <avi_> That's a scenario that I'm able to combat :D
[00:29] <avi_> hopefully won't have to, but never the less.
[00:31] <Kai_> I tried "update-manager -d" in lucid alpha 2 but I don't see a new release.
[00:32] <BUGabundo> Kai_: there is NO new release
[00:32] <BUGabundo> lucid is already the most recent one
[00:32] <avi_> Alpha 3 is out.
[00:32] <avi_> That is what he is referring to.
[00:32] <Kai_> how do you update to alpha 3 from alpha 2, then?
[00:32] <avi_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3
[00:32] <BUGabundo> avi_: milestones are NOT releases
[00:33] <BUGabundo> Kai_: as always: updating
[00:33] <avi_> He misspoke then.
[00:33] <BUGabundo> I do updates 4 times a day
[00:33] <Kai_> I misspoke, BUGabundo, as avi_ said.
[00:33] <Kai_> I didn't see any kind of update.
[00:33] <BUGabundo> Kai_: I do $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[00:33] <Kai_> Okay, I will once Synaptic is done
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Kai_: do you run update manager daily or any other apt frontend?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> done what?
[00:34] <Kai_> I run synaptic and the update manager very often
[00:34] <penguin42> hmm note the special in there for upgrading from lucid 2
[00:34] <Kai_> BUGabundo: I tried installing gtk2 rgba, but I do not want it
[00:34] <Kai_> I think it messed up Firefox and Chrome.
[00:34] <BUGabundo> Kai_: if you already update, what else are you expecting ?
[00:34] <Kai_> Flash doesn't work in Chrome anymore and Firefox is dead except for root
[00:35] <Kai_> BUGabundo: ?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> all of that WFM
[00:35] <Kai_> actually, there was a distribution upgrade yesterday...
[00:35] <Kai_> and all the craziness with FF and Chrome happened after that. :O
[00:36] <Kai_> this is weird.
[00:37] <avi_> Wait -- no browser flash in Alpha 3?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> open a new Guest Session and test
[00:37] <Kai_> avi_: it works in Firefox when I run it as root.
[00:37] <Kai_> BUGabundo: okay, I will.
[00:37] <Kai_> Be right back.
[00:37] <BUGabundo> flash 64 bits .so from adobe working fine here
[00:37] <BUGabundo> Kai_: NEVER run anything as ROOT , please
[00:37] <avi_> Yeah, seems like a bad idea.
[00:37] <BUGabundo> its not officially supported either
[00:37] <Kai_> BUGabundo: It was just for testing once.
[00:37] <BUGabundo> don't really care
[00:37] <BUGabundo> avoid doing it
[00:38] <BUGabundo> no real reason to
[00:38] <Kai_> I can't get to a Guest Session... it just does the same thing as when you lock the screen
[00:39] <BUGabundo> purge plymouth
[00:39] <Kai_> BUGabundo: actually, those commands you gave me want to remove the packages from the distribution upgrade yesterday! :D
[00:39] <Kai_> okay, I will once this is done
[00:39] <BUGabundo> safe-upgrade *should* be fine
[00:39] <Kai_> Oh, by the way, what does the {u} after a package name mean?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> uninstall I think
[00:40] <BUGabundo> [a] for adding
[00:41] <avi_> does plymouth require grub 2?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> see you tomorrow!
[00:41] <BUGabundo> avi_: probably
[00:42] <Kai_> I just noticed something...
[00:42] <Kai_> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[00:42] <Kai_> That happened in Firefox and Banshee.
[00:42] <Kai_> The exact same thing.
[00:43] <rww> {a} is automatically installed, iirc
[00:43] <Kai_> I'm guessing it's a problem with gdk (Gdk-ERROR **:)
[00:43] <Kai_> okay, what the toast. My filesystem is read-only now.
[00:44] <avi_> eeek.
[00:44] <penguin42> Kai_: dmesg
[00:44] <penguin42> Kai_: Should tell you why it went read only
[00:45] <Kai_> Okay
[00:45] <Kai_> sho[ 5317.569155] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 203974939
[00:45] <Kai_> s/sho//
[00:45] <penguin42> not a good error depending what is either side
[00:46] <Kai_> http://pastebin.com/VyUZFVNk  <-- some recent output from dmesg
[00:46] <DebianUT> Anyone tried Lucid alpha3 in vmware?
[00:46] <avi_> DebainUT: I'm going to in.. 1 hour.
[00:46] <arand> Kai_: time to fsck..
[00:47] <penguin42> Kai: It sounds like 1) your machine is too hot (see temperatuer throttle) and then something bad happened on the ATA link - I don't know the sata errors well but I'd say that was at the link level on the drive rather than a particular bad sector
[00:47] <Kai_> arand: this is happened before, I had to fsck
[00:47] <penguin42> Kai: Check your fans/cooling first, then use smartctl -a to see if the drive is OK
[00:47] <Kai_> penguin42: Oops. I'm using a laptop, must have blocked the air vent.
[00:47] <Kai_> /fan
[00:47] <Kai_> penguin42: not installed :(
[00:48] <Kai_> I'm going to reboot into my old 9.04 install and fsck from there, be back in a bit
[00:48] <penguin42> Ahh!
[00:48] <penguin42> arand: fsck is the WRONG thing to do!
[00:49] <penguin42> arand: If you have IO errors the first thing to do is to figure out what is wrong with the hardware, fsck can't do that and can make it a LOT worse if the hardware is dodgy
[00:49] <DebianUT> avi_: I just did, and x crashes constantly
[00:50] <DebianUT> avi_: gonna try with virtual box
[00:50] <arand> penguin42: Ok.. well I tend to simply reboot as quickly as possible when I get the ro remount..
[00:50] <avi_> DebianUT: Wow, I misread. I plan on using Vbox.
[00:50] <penguin42> arand: If you get a ro remount it's probably failing hardware and you should fix it - it really shouldn't happen; very very occasionally you hit bugs that cause it
[00:50] <avi_> DebainUT: You're on a mac too I presume?
[00:52] <DebianUT> avi_: WIndows 7
[00:53] <avi_> How can you be using VMWare?
[00:53] <avi_> Oh, its not mac only.
[00:55] <DebianUT> avi_: Is not mac only
[00:56] <penguin42> VMWare was on other platforms many years before mac
[00:59] <DebianUT> OO, it doesn't crash in VBox.
[01:01] <Kai_> okay, my filesystem is now unfscked.
[01:03] <arand> Kai_: penguin42 seems to have a few things to say about how one shouldn't rush for an fsck the first thing..
[01:03] <arand> Kai_: So I might've been wrong on that..
[01:03] <Kai_> fsck fixed it
[01:03] <Kai_> it seems
[01:03] <Kai_> :D
[01:04] <arand> Yes, but it indicates hardware errors which should be looked over first.. or something like that..
[01:04] <Kai_> the fan isn't blocked anymore :p
[01:05] <Kai_> stupid blanket
[01:05] <arand> Well, if the problem is that obvious I guess, just make sure there's no lasting damage (palimpsest/smartctl)
[01:06] <penguin42> Kai_: Yeh I was just saying, always check the hardware/sort stuff out before doing fsck - fsck running on bad hardware can make things worse
[01:07] <Kai_> My hardware is fine physically I think
[01:08] <penguin42> anyway, time for bed
[01:09] <Kai_> bai
[01:14] <avi_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCVrtgxVcI&feature=related
[01:16] <arand> avi_: in our dreams.. (also: old!)
[01:18] <Kai_> Wow, Chrome works again.
[01:18] <Kai_> :DD
[01:18] <Kai_> BUGabundo is awesomeness.
[01:18] <Kai_> Firefox works! :D
[01:20] <shaggy_> How can i have an LV on my lvm  that has a 1 GB FS and fill it with 2.3 GB of data? its /tmp and i used dd ??? Is something wierd here?
[01:26] <void^> you made a sparse file
[01:28] <RAOF> shaggy_: Since it's /tmp, it's also possible that it's mounted on a tmpfs (ie: ramdisk).
[01:29] <shaggy_> so tmp also ram disk to expand?
[01:29] <shaggy_> allows*
[01:30] <RAOF> It'll use up to 1/2 your RAM; IIRC.
[01:30] <Nitsuga> shaggy_, in my ubutnu /tmp isn't a tmpfs...
[01:30] <rww> It is in some versions, isn't in others. check using "mount"
[01:32] <RAOF> In fact, it'll depend on how much space is free on /
[01:33] <shaggy_> tmp isnt listed with the mount command ? is that because its lvm?
[01:33] <shaggy_> lvscan shows it there
[01:34] <void^> what dd command did you use?
[01:34] <shaggy_> dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/outfile
[01:35] <void^> that would simply fill the filesystem entirely, maybe lvm automatically expands the volume
[01:36] <shaggy_> void^ thats what i wanted to check if it would fill and stop...
[01:36] <shaggy_> it nevers stops..
[02:32] <vlad003> Why is this channel named ubuntu+1? I've seen someone refer to a version of Lucid by lucid+1. What does that mean?
[02:33] <Nitsuga> vlad003, here is discussion about lucid
[02:33] <Nitsuga> and when lucid is releases, here we will discuse about mad monkey (unofficial joke name :P)
[02:34] <Kai_> Mischievous Man? :o
[02:36] <vlad003> So it's just the future version of Ubuntu
[02:36] <vlad003> but what would the person who said "Lucid+1" mean?
[02:37] <vlad003> he said something like: "I'll test it in lucid+1"
[02:40] <Nitsuga> Kai_, it would be a shame if 10.10 is something about man. That would be another excuse to keep the "Human" theme!!!
[02:42] <virtuald> i actually like the human gingerbread theme
[03:28] <neezer> If I have 9.10 on my laptop, and I install 10.04 on a separate partition that is already there?
[03:28] <maco2> neezer: is there a "then" to go with that "if"?
[03:29] <neezer> then will it cause pronblems?
[03:29] <neezer> *problems
[03:31] <maco2> do you intend to share /home ?
[03:31] <neezer> I don't think so.
[03:32] <neezer> I'd like to see what it is like fresh install.
[03:32] <maco2> should be fine then
[03:34] <neezer> I have a separate /home partition right now anyways, will that move over to the new one? I would rather it doesn't. That way I know that I won't screw up my install that I have.
[03:34] <maco2> when you install, just choose not to use that extra /home.  the standard "put everything in a new partition" option should work fine
[03:35] <neezer> great! thanks
[03:38] <fausto> How do I report bugs for an ubuntu+1 release? There are any special options I need to set in launchpand when creatin the bug report?
[03:38] <rww> fausto: Type `ubuntu-bug packagenamegoeshere` in the terminal
[03:39] <rww> that's how you do it for released versions too now. It automatically sends Ubuntu and package version info (amongst other things that you can browse before sending) to Launchpad.
[03:40] <fausto> rww: but I'm not on Lucid at the moment, my wifi isn't working on lucid, so I'm back on my other system (karmic)
[03:40] <twb> fausto: ubuntu-bug should be able to generate a file which you can manually copy via sneakernet, then upload using that other machine
[03:40] <rww> fausto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20when%20off-line
[03:40] <maco2> fausto: the assumption on any bug report is that it is against the current development version. "fix released" always means "in the current development version."  getting a bug fixed in an already-released version actually requires setting an additional flag on the report
[03:41] <neezer> I just did a check, and my spare partition is only 12.8 GB, is that enough to install and use 10.04? or would you recommend more
[03:41] <maco2> neezer: thats fine
[03:41] <maco2> neezer: just dont try to torrent 15GB of music ;)
[03:42] <neezer> maco2, I don't think I'll be doing much of that at all...just want to check things out. Any idea if skype will work with it? I have been having lots of problems with skype and 9.10.
[03:43] <maco2> i havent tried
[03:43] <neezer> well then I guess it will be an adventure!
[03:43] <crimsun> skype works fine with /current/ 10.04
[03:44] <crimsun> I uploaded the last bits to fix the PA side prior to Alpha 3, and if you update you'll get the capture-side mute fixes
[03:45] <neezer> hmmm, thanks crimsun.
[03:47] <fausto> how do I report a bug if I'm not sure which package contains the problem? E.G. gstreamer-properties (Multimidia Systems Selector) is missing an important option of video device in Lucid, but I believe the bug is somewhere in the graphics stack and not in gstreamer-properties, so how should I report it?
[03:48] <maco2> if you think its in X, use the "xorg" package and someone who knows X will triage it into the right sub-package
[03:49] <crimsun> fausto: or, ubuntu-bug -f
[03:49] <crimsun> then choose Display
[03:52] <rww> ooo, shiny. I didn't know about that.
[03:53] <RAOF> fausto: What is the problem?  It's possible that it's easily solvable.
[03:58] <fausto> RAOF: the problem is that gstreamer-properties doesn't list "ATI Radeon Video Overlay" as an option anymore and with the only remaining option "Radeon Textured Video" I can't play fullscreen videos
[04:00] <RAOF> Off the top of my head, I'd guess that the problem is that the video overlay is not implemented with KMS.  And there's a subsidiary problem there - you can't play fullscreen video with the textured video adapter?
[04:01] <RAOF> That should be faster/higher quality/better/involve more gold bars than the overlay, IIUC.
[04:02] <fausto> RAOF: my card is not fast enough to play fullscreen with textured video, it runs slow and with a lot of tearing
[04:03] <fausto> I guess I'll try to disable KMS  to see if it resolves the problem
[04:04] <RAOF> You might lose 3D if you do that.  Graphics drivers suck. :)
[04:06] <fausto> by lose you mean even worse than I have now? my card is of the radeon r3xx family and I've been sufering without proper 3d since the ati droped support for it on the proprietary driver
[04:08] <RAOF> I think you might have to define “proper” more thoroughly.  My understanding was that r300s should get perfectly adequate 3D out of the free driver.
[04:08] <RAOF> Of course, installing fglrx will *break* 3D for any other driver, so if you've got remnants of that installed it might be your problem.
[04:10] <fausto> the free driver doesn't support opengl2.0 and is one order of magnitude slower than the proprietary (I had to stop playing computer games :-(
[04:10] <fausto> and I don't have any fglrx installed I did a clean lucid install from the live cd
[04:12] <fausto> but lets forget about 3d, I gave up hopes on 3D a long time ago and I know I'll never be able to use it again untill I change my hardware. My problem now is that in karmic I can play videos fullscreen without tearing using video overlay, but this is not an option anymore in lucid, so: How can I disable KMS?
[04:13] <RAOF> Add radeon.modeset=0 to your kernel command line, I think.
[04:14] <fausto> thanks, I'll try it. I'll be back in 30min
[04:32] <git__> what's the current kernel version for lucid?
[04:33] <Damascene> hello, does any one have this problem when you login you see black screen with the mouse only and you need to switch to tty then to X by f7 for it to work
[04:35] <Damascene> can some on test the battery icon on clear-look theme
[04:42] <ell> Ello... Have a small problem with lucid
[04:43] <Damascene> hi ell
[04:43] <Damascene> what is the problem
[04:44] <ell> after ~5minutes of idle  cpu is going to the sl33p mode. And when i'm trying to unlock it - all gdm keyholder is stucking and making 100% cpu usage
[04:44] <ell> =)
[04:46] <ell> have waited for 20 minutes - still stucked... then i've killed it, stopped gdm, and started it again. only that helps.
[04:47] <ell> and that helps only once. At the next time there is no chance to start gdm after it has been stopped
[04:47] <ell> that's happening every time :P
[04:48] <ell> any ideas what could I do?
[04:50] <ell> could -> should
[04:50] <ell> :P
[04:51] <Damascene> ell, disable the lock screen feature for now, it's know bug
[04:51] <ell> where to do that>
[04:51] <ell> ?
[04:51] <Damascene> bug 524860
[04:52] <ell> thx for halp
[04:56] <Guest30244> ell, did you see the bug 524860
[05:04] <mjs7231> Hey guys, I just updated to Aplha3, and now I can't get Ubuntu out of Low Graphics Mode
[05:05] <mjs7231> Im running NVIDIA and even installed the latest drivers: nvidia-glx-195
[05:06] <RAOF> mjs7231: How did you install those drivers?
[05:08] <mjs7231> I used the PPA: http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/nvidia/ubuntu
[05:08] <RAOF> :(
[05:08] <mjs7231> My /etc/X11/xorg.conf is shown here: http://nvidia.pastebin.com/eFQ4R5kB
[05:09] <mjs7231> and the XORG error I get is something like "Screens found, but none usable"
[05:10] <RAOF> There's been a big change in the way the nvidia drivers are installed in Lucid; I don't think any of the PPAs have got this right.
[05:10] <RAOF> Thus, I think all of the nvidia PPAs are currently broken.
[05:10] <mjs7231> ok, thats good to know. :)
[05:11] <mjs7231> I also tried the recomended driver in the Hardware Drivers menu item.. but same thing..
[05:11] <RAOF> That would have been debuggable :)
[05:12] <mjs7231> From what you're saying, it sounds like I might just need to wait a few days for things to hash out a bit?
[05:12] <RAOF> I'm not even sure if you'll be able to cleanly remove the PPA packages.  Failing anything else, try removing them, removing the PPA from your sources, and then reinstalling all the relevant packages: “sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa ~nlibgl1 ~nxorg ~nxserver ~nnvidia”
[05:12] <mjs7231> ok
[05:12] <RAOF> Oh, the drivers installed through Hardware Drivers should work (and should have been working for a while.
[05:14] <mjs7231> remove nvidia-195-kernel-source nvidia-195-libvdpau-dev nvidia-96-modaliases nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-glx-195 nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-settings :)
[05:15] <mjs7231> whats that tilda mean in the install command?
[05:15] <mjs7231> RAOF, Just FYI.. I was running fine until todays update on Lucid.
[05:15] <RAOF> Match by.  And the 'n' means “name”
[05:15] <mjs7231> thanks
[05:16] <RAOF> So that's “reinstall all the packages whose names contain mesa, libgl1, xorg, xserver, or nvidia”
[05:16] <mjs7231> OMG!!
[05:16] <mjs7231> I still ahd that PPA in there..
[05:16] <mjs7231> its going to install all the nvidia drivers! :-P
[05:17] <mjs7231> ohh god, what did I do.. :)
[05:17] <mjs7231> lol.. this is great.
[05:18] <mjs7231> im afraid to ctrl+c this in the middle of installing..
[05:19] <mjs7231> ok..
[05:19] <mjs7231> im going to reboot and see if this thing even boots now. :)
[05:22] <damascene> does any one have a laptop here?
[05:23] <mjs7231> Hey RAOF, Its working now! :)
[05:23] <mjs7231> Thanks alot.
[05:24] <mjs7231> ok, time for bed. :)
[05:24] <mjs7231> gnight
[05:24] <mjs7231> and thanks again! :)
[05:32]  * Anzenketh is liking the way lucid is looking now
[05:32] <wzssyqa> which kernel will lucid use?2.5.33?
[05:32] <Anzenketh> I just shut down lucid hold on I will let you know
[05:33] <hifi> some bastard upgraded thunderbird to 3 ;)
[05:33] <hifi> must be the best ubuntu release ever
[05:33] <git__> it's LTS
[05:33] <Anzenketh> It has to be good
[05:33] <Anzenketh> It is a LTS version
[05:33] <git__> I hope so ... b/c 9.10 freezes sporadically on me
[05:34] <git__> i had to upgrade to 2.6.32.x to stop all the freezes
[05:34] <Anzenketh> git__: your enviroment would be excelent to run a test in
[05:34] <Anzenketh> Have you thought about testing alpha in a Live enviroment
[05:34] <git__> tomorrow, i'll d/l lucid alpha 3
[05:34] <git__> live as in production? ... not quite there yet :P
[05:35] <Anzenketh> No live as in live cd
[05:35] <Anzenketh> I am running mine in a vm
[05:35] <Anzenketh> Lucid uses 2.6.32.14 currently
[05:36] <Anzenketh> I would not want to run alpha as my main system ewww
[05:36] <Anzenketh> However it is quite stable maby.
[05:36] <wzssyqa> now,google earth and gnote suck
[05:40] <SomeoneE1se> I'm running openbox and nm-applet can no longer get my wpa key from the keyring daemon, any help in trouble shooting this one?  Where do I look first?
[05:41] <Anzenketh> let me dig out a bug report
[05:42] <Anzenketh> SomeoneE1se: what version are you running?
[05:42] <Anzenketh> Guess he did not want the answer
[05:43] <SomeoneE1se> sorry my keyboard froze, what version of what ubuntu? The karmic alpha, I just apt-get update/dist-upgrade not an hour ago
[05:45] <SomeoneE1se> I missed anything post that question... also I was going to file a bug report but I hate submitting bugs with, "it doesn't work, I don't know why, sorry!"
[05:48] <SomeoneE1se> awww all my support went away :( sad
[05:48] <Anzenketh> Nope
[05:48] <Anzenketh> Yes what version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:48] <SomeoneE1se> karmic alpha
[05:48] <git__> karmic alpha?
[05:48] <SomeoneE1se> the install it about 2 weeks old however apt-get dist-upgrade is <1h old
[05:49] <git__> what's that?
[05:49] <SomeoneE1se> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5
[05:49] <SomeoneE1se> this one
[05:49] <git__> debugging with syskey
[05:50] <git__> even if your filesystem freezes on you, you can still get keyboard input
[05:50] <Anzenketh> Ahh ok
[05:51] <SomeoneE1se> I'm sorry I really fucked it up
[05:51] <Anzenketh> There is a bug report open on this issue
[05:51] <SomeoneE1se> I'm on the 10.4 alpha
[05:51] <Anzenketh> Is this your production system?
[05:51] <Anzenketh> Ahh
[05:51] <SomeoneE1se> yes and no
[05:51] <SomeoneE1se> I have another system but yes this is the main system I use right now
[05:51] <Anzenketh> Ok so you are helping by testing
[05:52] <SomeoneE1se> sure we can go with that
[05:52] <SomeoneE1se> trying to at least
[05:52] <Anzenketh> Let me look up a bug report I was working on
[05:53] <Anzenketh> SomeoneE1se: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527313
[05:54] <Anzenketh> See if the details are the same for you if so mark yourself as having a issue
[05:54] <Anzenketh> And post a comment so I can mark as confirmed.
[05:55] <SomeoneE1se> no I can still connect, the problem is that it doesn't talk with the keyring daemon
[05:55] <SomeoneE1se> so it prompts me for a wpa key everytime is connects to a network
[05:56] <Anzenketh> Oh that issue
[05:56] <rww> I like being on this channel. It finds bugs for me before I bother reporting them.
[05:57] <Anzenketh> I remember seeing something in regards to that too SomeoneE1se
[05:58] <Anzenketh> SomeoneE1se: Does this issue sound more like your's
[05:58] <Anzenketh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/305067
[05:58] <Anzenketh> Na that not it
[06:01] <Anzenketh> SomeoneE1se: Check out bug Bug #150934  see if that is your issue
[06:01] <Anzenketh> You can also search https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager?field.searchtext=WPA&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field
[06:01] <Anzenketh> .has_patch=&field.has_no_package= to see if you can find something simular to your issue
[06:01] <Anzenketh> Or the same
[06:04] <SomeoneE1se> thanks Anzenketh searching now
[06:15] <jfox> hey everyone, I recently upgraded to 10.04 from 9.10 and my wireless usb mouse stopped working
[06:15] <jfox> I'm guessing this is due to the removal of hal
[06:19] <jfox> I've configured xorg.conf by hand in the past on gentoo systems if that is the case, but I was wondering if it could be caused by the removal of some other package
[06:19] <jfox> or if ubuntu has a tool I can run to auto configure my system
[06:20] <jfox> also, since the upgrade my LCD is not at its full brightness nor can I adjust it
[06:22] <SomeoneE1se> how do I clear a dns cache for firefox?
[06:52] <AlanBell> hi all
[06:53] <AlanBell> what is the current story around Java for Lucid?
[06:54] <EruditeHermit> hey is radeon broken in lucid?
[06:55] <EruditeHermit> it is defaulting to VESA for me
[06:57] <arand> AlanBell: afaik, icedtea is the recommended default for lucid, other than that I don't know..
[07:01] <AlanBell> don't think that will run a tomcat container with Alfresco in it
[07:04] <EruditeHermit> I am getting Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0) when I try to use the ati or radeon drivers for X. Any one else having this issue?
[07:06] <crdlb> EruditeHermit: have you verified the packages are installed?
[07:06] <EruditeHermit> crdlb, yeah they are. The radeon kernel module is even loaded
[07:07] <crdlb> xserver-xorg-video-ati and -radeon?
[07:07] <EruditeHermit> yep
[07:08] <EruditeHermit> oh wait
[07:08] <EruditeHermit> they aren't
[07:08] <EruditeHermit> wtf
[07:08] <EruditeHermit> must have removed them on upgrade
[07:08] <EruditeHermit> thanks that will do it
[07:09] <EruditeHermit> crdlb, seems to be that firmware-linux was obsoleted, do you know what replaced it?
[07:09] <EruditeHermit> ah linux-firmware possibly
[07:14] <gotsanity> Anyone know why I am locking up when i login but only on the newest kernel installed? If i login from the older kernel it works fine.
[07:19] <patcito> hi
[07:19] <om26er> !hi | patcito
[07:19] <patcito> hi
[07:19] <patcito> I get "error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when trying to start firefox
[07:19] <patcito> anyone else gets that too?
[07:20] <om26er> gotsanity, I think its another bug (reported already) its a gnome-keyring issue
[07:20] <gotsanity> k, i'll see what i can find
[07:20] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: are you using the mozilla ppa?
[07:20] <patcito> ActionParsnip, no
[07:20] <patcito> regular ff
[07:21] <patcito> weird thing is, I tried downloading the tarball from mozilla ftps, and I get the same error
[07:21] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: if you search your fs is the file there? Is there a bug logged for this?
[07:22] <EruditeHermit> hmm, touchpad edge scrolling not working
[07:22] <patcito> ActionParsnip, locate finds it
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Pacito: is it in the right place?
[07:23] <patcito> ActionParsnip, although, it's called /usr/lib/libxul.so.0d, is that normal?
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: looks like you need a symlink
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: does /usr/lib/libxul.so exist?
[07:25] <patcito> no
[07:25] <patcito> ActionParsnip, but how about the tarball? it comes with libxul
[07:25] <patcito> but, let me try the symlink
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libxul.so.0d /usr/lib/libxul.so
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> Patcito: if it works, log a bug with the fix
[07:26] <edakiri> ∃ A3 DVD?
[07:28] <patcito> ActionParsnip, still not working, I'll fill a bug tomorrow after an update if it's still happening, thanks
[07:30] <jfox> anyone alive?
[07:30] <arand> barely..
[07:32] <jfox> ah my night is just beginning lol
[07:33] <gotsanity> yeah, mine is ending... work in 6 hours >.<
[07:33] <gotsanity> goodnight
[07:38] <jfox> hrmm... since I updated to lucid, my usb mouse isn't showing up in lsusb
[07:40] <edakiri> jfox: mine continues to work.
[07:45] <zniavre> good morning
[07:57] <Bash23> Is the alpha 3 stable enough to use day to day or will it constantly crash on me?
[07:57] <jfox> i havent had any problems
[07:57] <jfox> well no crashing
[07:58] <Bash23> What probs have you ahd?
[07:58] <Bash23> had*
[07:58] <jfox> trouble getting my usb wireless mouse working and my lcd screen is dim and i can't adjust brightness
[07:58] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to regain the scrolling settings tab in System --> Preferences --> Mouse in Lucid?
[07:58] <kikbguy> The nouveau driver (installed by default on 10.04 alpha 3 and Fedora) causes my screen to go blue when I try to boot up ubuntu.  Anyone know how to fix it?
[07:59] <jfox> i think its due to the removal of HAL
[07:59] <Bash23> I guess I'll risk it and update.
[07:59] <EruditeHermit> jfox, was that at me?
[07:59] <jfox> no at Bash23
[07:59] <kikbguy> Is there a fix?
[07:59] <Bash23> jfox, Do you think the update was worth it overall?
[08:00] <jfox> yeah
[08:00] <jfox> but mainly because I have a radeonhd mobile
[08:00] <Bash23> I have a nvida card but I should be able to use the nvidia drivers so it wont be a prob for me.
[08:00] <jfox> the 2.6.32 kernel has new drivers for it and that was the main reason i updated
[08:01] <Bash23> so I should*
[08:01] <Bash23> o...
[08:01] <kklimonda> nvidia drivers are broken right now ;)
[08:01] <jfox> other than that, it seems faster
[08:01] <Bash23> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[08:01] <Bash23> :(
[08:01] <Bash23> kklimonda, Are you serious?
[08:01] <Bash23> No compiz? :(
[08:01] <jfox> ouch, I feel for you Bash23
[08:02] <kikbguy> It doesn't give me the option of using nvidia driver, it just goes right to the blue screen after booting ubuntu from the live cd and clicking "try ubuntu without installing"
[08:02] <Bash23> I'll see what happens. I have a windows installed so I'll have something as backup.
[08:02] <kklimonda> Bash23: there are problems with the boot process - it does work but every time you boot system gdm dies the first time you press enter and only after it starts again you can login
[08:02] <jfox> could you add a kernel option before booting from the live cd?
[08:02] <kikbguy> Any idea what the problem could be?
[08:03] <jfox> maybe use a vesa driver by default?
[08:03] <kklimonda> kikbguy: you can try to boot with lbm-nouveau.modeset=0 kernel parameter
[08:03] <kikbguy> How do you add a kernel option before booting from the live cd?
[08:04] <Bash23> I guess I'll reinstall ubuntu 9.10 if its that bad...
[08:04] <Bash23> To late to abort though, It's getting the new packages right know.
[08:04] <kikbguy> kklimonda, any way a noob like myself might find instructions on doing that?
[08:05] <Bash23> kklimonda, Have you gotten Compiz working?
[08:05] <kklimonda> Bash23: yes, it works
[08:05] <Bash23> Well, I guess that's a plus.
[08:06] <zniavre> bug 528263
[08:06] <kklimonda> kikbguy: no idea - you have to play around the boot screen :/
[08:07] <kklimonda> kikbguy: by pressing one of function keys you can get an Expert something.. ;)
[08:08] <kikbguy> alright, thx, I'll just report it as a bug and play around with it
[08:08] <Bash23> Just out of curiosity does anyone know if you can import you /home partation without screwing up /user?
[08:10] <jfox> do you mean during the update?
[08:10] <jfox> The update won't touch your home directories unless you're formatting/doing a fresh install
[08:11] <Bash23> When you make a fresh install
[08:11] <Bash23> because I might need to reinstall 9.10
[08:11] <Bash23> unless there is a way to downgrade
[08:11] <jfox> as long as its on a separate partition
[08:12] <jfox> and you don't use the entire disk overwriting it during the install, you can have the installer reinstall the base files to the root partition then link /home to the home partition
[08:12] <jfox> i'll be back shortly
[08:13] <Bash23> k
[08:13] <Smoochict> Should i test ubuntu 10.04?
[08:13] <Bash23> apperently it has nvidia driver probs
[08:13] <Bash23> I guess I'll find out...
[08:13] <Smoochict> :O  nivdia driver problems?
 Bash23: there are problems with the boot process - it does work but every time you boot system gdm dies the first time you press enter and only after it starts again you can login
[08:15] <Bash23> I'll post late on when it upgrades
[08:15] <Bash23> later*
[08:21] <Bash23> kklimonda, Are you on Alpha 2 or 3?
[08:22] <kklimonda> Bash23: a2 updated to a3
[08:24] <Omar87> What's the latest version of 10.4 now?
[08:24] <Bash23> alpha 3
[08:24] <Omar87> Bash23, thanks.
[08:24] <Bash23> Omar87, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3#Improved%20support%20for%20nVidia%20proprietary%20graphics%20drivers
[08:25] <Bash23> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3
[08:27] <arand> There isn't really versions when it comes to ubuntu dev version, it's just quick rolling release, with a few pauses to create liveCDs which are more safe to install from (a.k.a. alpha/beta)...
[08:29] <Bash23> aren't their like 6 alphas then beat and release?
[08:29] <Bash23> beta*
[08:35] <ubuntujenkins> Bash23 for lts there is only 3 alphas and there is two betas
[08:39] <AlanBell> when building packages for Lucid will it be possible to build-depend on stuff in the partner repository? i.e. Sun Java if it gets there.
[08:39] <AlanBell> I tried a little experiment in a Karmic PPA and you can't build-depend on acroread which is a partner repo package
[08:41] <kklimonda> AlanBell: no, you can't
[08:42] <AlanBell> :-(
[08:55] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[09:02] <arand> BUGabundo_work: 'ello
[09:04] <BUGabundo_work> hey
[09:04] <Bash23> hey
[09:04] <BUGabundo_work> am i the only one facing probs with DCHP
[09:05] <BUGabundo_work> for the last two days???
[09:05] <Bash23> dchp?
[09:05] <BUGabundo_work> yep Bash23
[09:05] <BUGabundo_work> dhclient to be more precise
[09:05] <Bash23> o...
[09:05] <Bash23> I'm not sure...
[09:06] <Bash23> I'm upgrading ATM
[09:16] <Omar87> Bash23, to alpha 3?
[09:16] <Bash23> Yes from 9.10
[09:16] <Omar87> Bash23, cool!. I'm currently downloading the iso.
[09:16] <BUGabundo_work> Omar87: ppl dont upgrade to milestones
[09:16] <BUGabundo_work> they upgrade to what ever its in the archive
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> at a certain moment
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> speaking of upgrades
[09:17] <Omar87> BUGabundo_work, I know. I just want to test drive it on my other machine.
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> oh right... cant connect home. darn dhcp breakage
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> Omar87: $ upgrade-manager -d
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> enjoy
[09:18] <Omar87> BUGabundo_work, yeah, thanks. However, my other machine is hollow atm. :) (meaning:  there's almost no OS in there)
[09:19] <BUGabundo_work> ahh
[09:19] <BUGabundo_work> ok bko or netboot.me
[09:19] <BUGabundo_work> and start it up
[09:19] <BUGabundo_work> u will have to hand edit the repo to get lucid from daily servers
[09:20] <arand> BUGabundo_work: Omar87: official way is "do-release-upgrade -d" ...
[09:21] <BUGabundo_work> arand: for cli version, yes
[09:22] <arand> For both, afaik..
[09:22] <Omar87> arand, BUGabundo_work, thanks guys. I really know all that, but I have no Ubuntu on my other machine altogether.
[09:24] <Bash23> When I upgrade all y servers will stay intact right?
[09:24] <Bash23> my&
[09:24] <Bash23> *
[09:24] <BUGabundo_work> arand: NO. GUI oficial version *is* UM
[09:24] <Bash23> or will I have to set them up again?
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> Bash23: upgrades shouldnt leave you without your setings
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> but as usual MAKE BACKUPs
[09:25] <arand> BUGabundo_work: but not for getting to a devel release?
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> and remember its ALPHA software with NO KIND of garantee support
[09:25] <Bash23> I to late for backups.
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> arand: ???
[09:26] <Bash23> It's *
[09:26] <BUGabundo_work> Bash23: then PREY :D
[09:26] <BUGabundo_work> Bash23: i already replied to you a few lines above, on how to get a no OS machine with ubuntu , via network
[09:26] <BUGabundo_work> or u can use a cd or pendrive with a daily image
[09:27] <Bash23> Meh, it can't be that hard to reset up the server.
[09:29] <BUGabundo_work> i really dont get what you want to do Bash23  :(
[09:29] <Bash23> I was wondering if my server will get erased after upgrade.
[09:29] <Bash23> file and print server
[09:30] <BUGabundo_work> what is it running right now?
[09:31] <Bash23> Yes.
[09:31] <BUGabundo_work> what is it running right now?
[09:31] <Bash23> What do you mean?
[09:31] <BUGabundo_work> what os/version/arch
[09:32] <Bash23> Ubuntu 9.10
[09:33] <Bash23> Forget it, I'll find out when this is done installing in 45 min
[09:33] <Bash23> upgrading*
[09:45] <nacho_> hey guys
[09:46] <nacho_> after a few months without splash screen I found out that I had to install the plymouth package, though after installing it now no cool theme appears
[09:46] <nacho_> I've installed plymouth and the theme, do I have to configure something?
[09:46] <nacho_> do I need also the -x11 package?
[09:47] <BUGabundo_work> nacho_: behare of a bug that makes your login crash when u press enter, with plymouth installed
[09:48] <nacho_> BUGabundo_work, yeah, I realized that when I press enter with the gnome-keyring the session is restarted and the gdm appears to login again
[10:04] <Bash23> Should I keep my local version of grub-pc?
[10:04] <Bash23> or should I install maintainers version?
[10:10] <benje> hello
[10:11] <zniavre> hello / bonjour benje
[10:12] <benje> salut zniavre :)
[10:12] <benje> i have error about driver ice1712, i use two same card ewx24/96 ( not same rev )
[10:12] <benje> how are you zniavre it's been long time
[10:13] <benje> the error in dmesg is about cs8427 ( spdif ) signature
[10:13] <zniavre> great thank you
[10:13] <zniavre> do not know for your worrie
[10:13] <benje> sometime drivers don't see any card somtimes one and rarelly the both
[10:13] <zniavre> but there is planty of good and helpfull ppl here
[10:14] <zniavre> plenty*
[10:14] <benje> zniavre: i am trying to made an audio station
[10:14] <zniavre> wow
[10:14] <benje> for the jm2l 2010 but maybe for later
[10:15] <benje> au regard of problems
[10:16] <BUGabundo_work> benje: please file a bug ($ ubuntu-bug audio), join #ubuntu-audio-help and ping crimsun  to it
[10:16] <benje> ok BUGabundo_work
[10:44] <benje> BUGabundo_work: it seems that crimsun is not here
[10:45] <BUGabundo_work> the nick is. and he will read backlong when he gets a change
[10:45] <benje> BUGabundo_work: i give the dmesg, lspci -vvvvv and alsa-base.conf
[10:45] <BUGabundo_work> *chance
[10:45] <benje> does he need somthings else ?
[10:46] <BUGabundo_work> ubuntu-bug alsa-base should be enough
[10:46] <Damascene> can any one test the clear-look battery icon please
[10:47] <benje> BUGabundo_work: do you think it's because i don't put sdif cable between both card ( it's something i am thinking now
[10:47] <BUGabundo_work> no idea
[10:48] <benje> s/sdif/spdif
[11:05] <Bash23> GAAAAAAAA!
[11:05] <Bash23> I can't boot into ubuntu
[11:06] <Bash23> It says waiting for /Windows [sm] and its stuck on that screen
[11:08] <Bash23> anyone know how to fix this?
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> never saw that
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> and u still havent replied to my inicial question
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> so i cant provide a good reply
[11:09] <BUGabundo_work> [09:31] <BUGabundo_work> what os/version/arch
[11:10] <Bash23> I just upgraded from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04
[11:12] <phaidros> hi, anyone any solution for the very slow X with ati cards?
[11:29] <penguin42> hmm that was an odd boot failure
[11:40] <penguin42> was left with what looked like a text console with a few normalish type of boot messages, but with the mouse cursor; keyboard was in raw mode and what I typed was coming out with junk; sshing in showed X was running, looked like it got stuck on KMS
[11:41] <Damascene> penguin42, are you there?
[11:41]  * penguin42 might be
[11:41] <Damascene> how did you get out?
[11:42] <penguin42> Damascene: sshed in, rebooted it
[11:42] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/523788
[11:42] <Damascene> you might kill the gnome-screensaver
[11:42] <rww> yup, plymouth bug. I've given up trying to figure it out, removed the package.
[11:43] <penguin42> Damascene: Ah yes sounds like that one, hadn't seen those symptoms before
[11:44] <kklimonda> you can fix the cursor on vt by using sysrq+k to restart X server
[11:44] <Damascene> in this bug report they call this text console a VT but if you can't type in it what is it really?
[11:44] <rww> it's a horrible mess caused by the quest for shiny boot graphics :(
[11:46] <penguin42> Damascene: I think it is one of the virtual consoles but I suspect it's actually vc7 which is the one used by X anyway and so there is no getty running to take your commands and X/plymouth has already switched the keyboard to the mode that it  uses
[11:47] <Damascene> so it's a vt that aren't rely a vt because it X special place ... or something
[11:47] <Damascene> *really
[11:47]  * Damascene sorry for his poor english
[11:51] <penguin42> Damascene: Just because X uses it, it doesn't change the fact it is still a virtual console
[11:55] <knittl> hi. linux 2.6.33 was released yesterday … any chances it will make it into lucid?
[11:56] <sebsebseb> knittl: no I think it will use 2.6.32 since it will be supported two years upstream
[11:56] <knittl> hmm, ok. thanks sebsebseb
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> knittl: NO
[11:57] <knittl> ok
[11:59] <sebsebseb> knittl: and then they got to support it themselves I guess, if what I put is correct
[12:00] <knittl> alright
[12:00] <penguin42> sebsebseb: but hopefully after 2 years most of the nasties are gone, it's just down to backporting security fixes and the occasional driver backport
[12:01] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ok
[12:04] <sebsebseb> penguin42: knittl  It might get supported more than two years upstream, I think.
[12:06] <Bash23> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5006/dsc00288c.jpg
[12:06] <Bash23> After spaming ctlr-alt-f2 a bunch of times along with other keys I eventually got a shell.
[12:06] <Bash23> http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4070/dsc00291j.jpg
[12:06] <Bash23> Anyone know how I can fix it?
[12:07] <penguin42> Bash23: What is /windows?  A partition on the same disc?
[12:08] <Bash23> Same HDD
[12:08] <penguin42> is this an upgrade? How did you tell it about /windows?
[12:08] <Bash23> After upgrade
[12:08] <Bash23> From 9.10
[12:08] <penguin42> Bash23: Did you manually add /windows to /etc/fstab ?
[12:08] <Bash23> no...
[12:09] <Bash23> Should I go into gparted and see if I can remove that tag?
[12:09] <Damascene> you tried startx right?
[12:09] <penguin42> I'd check if it's actually in /etc/fstab and see whether it's specified by uuid/or device (if it's there at all)
[12:10] <Bash23> startx?
[12:11] <Bash23> I tried running gdm
[12:11] <Bash23> but I got that error
[12:11] <Damascene> yes if you are at console and you can't see your gui you should try startx
[12:11] <Damascene> that might help you back
[12:12] <Bash23> but what about that eroor
[12:12] <Bash23> error*
[12:12] <penguin42> Damascene: I don't think Bash23 has got that far
[12:12] <Bash23> http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4070/dsc00291j.jpg
[12:12] <Bash23> That has got to do with something
[12:12]  * om26er just had a quick visit to #fedora and its silenced even more that #ubuntu+1
[12:12] <Damascene> should he use the init 3?
[12:13] <om26er> hey Damascene
[12:13] <Damascene> what channel did you visit? was it #fedora-qa
[12:13] <Damascene> hey om26er
[12:13] <penguin42> Bash23: If the /windows in the /etc/fstab then I would comment it out and see if you can boot OK, if you've just forcibly killed plymouth I'm not sure it's in a sane state to be able to do much
[12:14]  * om26er uses empathy for IRC
[12:14] <Bash23> brb
[12:14] <Bash23> I'll boot into live cd
[12:15] <om26er> anybody using empathy renkoo? (that will be dafult in lucid) I am getting very small fonts
[12:16] <Damascene> what is renkoo?
[12:16] <om26er> Damascene: adium theme for empathy
[12:17] <phaidros> anyone experience very slow X in lucid with ati?
[12:17] <Damascene> I only have classic, blue, clean and simple themes for empathy
[12:18] <Damascene> not using ati sorry
[12:19] <rww> phaidros: I have an RV620 using xserver-xorg-video-radeon, and haven't had any problems.
[12:19] <phaidros> rww: with dri running?
[12:20] <rww> phaidros: I'd have to boot it up and check. If Compiz requires DRI, then yes.
[12:20] <phaidros> it feels like even 2d acceleration is not working here on firegl t2
[12:20] <phaidros> ok, then yes
[12:24] <ccooke> ws
[12:24] <ccooke> 12:12 < penguin42> Damascene: I don't think Bash23 has got that far
[12:24] <ccooke> 12:12 < penguin42> Damascene: I don't think Bash23 has got that far
[12:24] <ccooke> 12:12 < penguin42> Damascene: I don't think Bash23 has got that far
[12:24] <ccooke> argh
[12:24]  * penguin42 confiscates ccooke's middle mouse button
[12:24] <Damascene> ccooke, what?
[12:24] <ccooke> note to self: Clean laptop when it's not in use
[12:24]  * ccooke goes away to do that better
[12:28] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes/+bug/528407
[12:30] <om26er> Damascene: its a duplicate
[12:30] <Damascene> to which bug?
[12:31] <Bash> THAT WORKED!
[12:31] <Bash> Your a genius
[12:31] <penguin42> it did?
[12:31] <Damascene> Bash, what?
[12:31] <Bash> ya
[12:31] <Bash> Now I need to figure out how to get compiz working
[12:31] <Bash> compiz (core) - Warn: SmcOpenConnection failed: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
[12:31] <Bash> compiz (core) - Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual
[12:31] <Bash> compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0
[12:31] <Bash> compiz (core) - Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual
[12:31] <Bash> compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 1
[12:32] <Bash> compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0
[12:32] <Bash> :|
[12:32] <rww> ubottu: pastebin | Bash
[12:32] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | Bash
[12:32] <om26er> Damascene: or not
[12:32]  * gnomefreak late :(
[12:32] <om26er> Damascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/525295
[12:32] <om26er> but thats for indicator sound
[12:32] <Bash> So does anyone know how to get compiz working?
[12:32] <om26er> Damascene: the one you reported should be moved to power manager
[12:32] <penguin42> Bash: It sounds like you need to get 3d to work first
[12:33] <Damascene> om26er, it works with other themes
[12:34] <om26er> Damascene: try dark room and its the same
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Barridus: does this say yes or no glxinfo | grep render
[12:35] <gnomefreak> opps
[12:35] <Bash> How do I do that?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Bash: does this say yes or no glxinfo | grep render
[12:35] <Bash> drivers seem to be installed.
[12:35] <Bash> bash@bash-desktop:~$  glxinfo | grep render
[12:35] <Bash> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[12:35] <Bash> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Bash: that is why you dont have 3D running (ati?)
[12:36] <Bash> Nvidia.
[12:36] <Damascene> om26er, the same
[12:36] <Bash> I'll reinstall the drivers
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Bash: use jocky
[12:36] <gnomefreak> jockey even
[12:36] <Bash> Whats wrong with hardware drivers?
[12:37] <om26er> Damascene: change the effected package to gnome-power-manager
[12:37] <phaidros> hm, glxgears segfaults here, anyone else dri problems with ati?
[12:37] <om26er> Damascene: should I ?
[12:37] <gnomefreak> Bash: it is the same if you mean by the system menu
[12:37] <gnomefreak> phaidros: ati has a problem or 3
[12:38] <phaidros> gnomefreak: could you specify?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> phaidros: one minute
[12:38] <phaidros> k
[12:39] <gnomefreak> phaidros: here is one bug 506656
[12:39] <gnomefreak> that the one you are seeing :)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> im sure there are alot more if you look in launchpad for yours
[12:41] <gnomefreak> s/*/is that
[12:41] <Bash> Why wont i work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:41] <Bash> it*
[12:42] <Bash> I installed the drivers in hardware drivers
[12:42] <gnomefreak> Barridus: did you read the bug i gave you?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> damnit
[12:42] <Bash> no.
[12:42] <gnomefreak> Bash: bug 506656
[12:42] <gnomefreak> Bash: is that yours?
[12:43] <phaidros> gnomefreak: not mine for sure, as I try to stick with xorg radeon
[12:43] <gnomefreak> here are some other known issues for a few packages http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3#Known%20issues
[12:43] <Bash> no.
[12:43] <phaidros> how does one set KMS ?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> phaidros: look in Launchpad for yours
[12:44] <Bash> I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers to work
[12:44] <Bash> It says its installed
[12:44] <spawn57> is there a channel for dvb tv cards?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> Bash: look for yours in launchpad or just file a bug on the package using ubuntu-bug packagename
[12:45] <gnomefreak> Bash: sorry pleae look at the link i gave you to see if it is there
[12:45] <phaidros> Bash: make sure, that your xorg.conf uses "nvidia" as driver and not "nv"
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Bash: if not run ubuntu-bug nvidia-current
[12:46] <phaidros> latest kernels (-13 & -14) do not trigger the password request for encrypted harddrive, any hints on that?
[12:49] <Bash> it is set to nvidia
[12:50] <Bash> http://pastie.org/844025
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Bash: Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work.
[12:50] <Bash> I didn't use that.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Bash: jockey does
[12:50] <Bash> I used the drivers in hardware drivers
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Bash: hardware drivers is jockey
[12:51] <Bash> Well it's not working...
[12:52] <gnomefreak> Bash: hint: wait until its fixed/ file a bug on nvidia-current if you have it installed
[12:53] <gnomefreak> if not find teh nvidia drivers you have installed and report it against that package
[12:53] <gnomefreak> s/teh/the
[12:53] <Bash> What drivers are you using?
[12:53] <phaidros> how does one determine if 2d acceleration is enabled?
[12:53] <gnomefreak> nvidia-current
[12:54] <gnomefreak> phaidros: glxinfo | grep render
[12:54] <gnomefreak> if its no than you are using 2D
[12:54] <zniavre> gnomefreak,  this is only for 190.xx nvidia drivers (they do not work)?
[12:55] <gnomefreak> test for 3D you can also try to enable compiz if it fails that you are usin 2D
[12:55] <phaidros> gnomefreak: glxinfo sez direct rendering is enabled, but still getting segfault with e.g. glxgears
[12:55] <gnomefreak> zniavre: it doesnt say
[12:55] <gnomefreak> phaidros: you are on 3D. file a bug on glxgears
[12:56] <gnomefreak> phaidros: sorry report it against the package you have enabled
[12:56] <phaidros> gnomefreak: that was not my question ;) how, does one test if 2d acceleration works at all? (coy some apps are quite slow in rendering)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> glxgears is from a package but not sure what one.
[12:57] <Damascene> om26er, I meant it's not the same
[12:57] <gnomefreak> phaidros: 2D is normal so if you are running a GUI you have 2D working
[12:57] <Damascene> the only theme I checked that have this problem is clearlooks
[12:58] <phaidros> gnomefreak: yeah, but I wonder about 2d acceleration, isnt that something different than plain 2d ?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> and you were helped in #ubuntu-bugs
[12:58] <gnomefreak> phaidros: no IIRC
[12:58] <phaidros> ok
[12:59] <Bash> I'm running nvidia current also
[12:59] <Bash> not working for me :/
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Bash: gnomefreak@Development:~$ glxinfo | grep render
[12:59] <gnomefreak> direct rendering: Yes
[12:59] <gnomefreak> let me make sure im using -current
[13:00] <gnomefreak> Bash: what nvidia card?
[13:00] <Bash> hError: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[13:01] <Bash> 8600gt
[13:01] <gnomefreak> yep im using *-current
[13:01] <gnomefreak> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6200/PCI/SSE2
[13:01] <gnomefreak> Bash: it maybe your card+drivers not working
[13:02] <gnomefreak> if i were you i would file a bug using ubuntu-bug nvidia-current  or test the other drivers that fits you from jockey
[13:02] <gnomefreak> be back in a few coffee+smoke ;)
[13:08] <Machtin> /dev/sdb3       /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1 <- the installer generated this.. why wouldn't it use the uuid? :o
[13:08] <Bash> I'll try version 173
[13:10] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, pastebinit is broken
[13:10] <cwillu_at_work> pastebin.com updated stuff :p
[13:10] <Bash> pastie.orgh
[13:10] <Bash> pastie.org FTW
[13:11] <Bash> god dam it.
[13:11] <Bash> SystemError: installArchives() failed
[13:11] <Bash> >:(
[13:12] <BUGabundo_work> cwillu_at_work: it is?
[13:12] <bjsnider> Bash, what driver were you using before nvidia-current?
[13:13] <BUGabundo_work> ahh i use paste.u.c
[13:13] <Bash> nothing.
[13:13] <zniavre> does memenu entrybox working well with gtk themes with dark menus ?
[13:13] <Bash> It was the free one that came with it
[13:13] <Bash> then I switched to current
[13:13] <Bash> and now to 173
[13:13] <Bash> brb
[13:13] <bjsnider> you clean installed lucid?
[13:13] <Bash> na
[13:14] <Bash> upgrade
[13:14] <bjsnider> what were you using in karmic?
[13:14] <Bash> idk...
[13:14] <Bash> Whatever what the latest one
[13:14] <Bash> 180 something
[13:15] <bjsnider> i don't believe him
[13:15] <bjsnider> it works fine if you were using the 185 in karmic
[13:15] <bjsnider> he was probably using the nvidia installer version
[13:17]  * BUGabundo_work wonders if he is using nvidia .run driver
[13:18] <phaidros> gnomefreak: xorg-edgers works wwith ati/glx
[13:18] <gnomefreak> phaidros: than it will be fixed soonish maybe a day or 3
[13:18] <phaidros> kewl
[13:19] <gnomefreak> depends when it was fixed in xorg-edgers
[13:19] <phaidros> but, though, glxgears yields alot cpu load, is that normal?
[13:20] <Italian_Plumber> Yay!  Alpha 3 is out!
[13:23] <Italian_Plumber> The iso for lucid desktop 386, alpha 3, is the same filename as the iso for lucid desktop 386, alpha 2.  If I get the files mixed up, how can I tell which is which?
[13:24] <phaidros> Italian_Plumber: boot them, or re-download with proper namens ;)
[13:25] <Italian_Plumber> Well yes I was thinking hash check them again... that's a good idea, though.
[13:25] <platius> Italian_Plumber,  right click on file, select properties from popup menu, check date modified
[13:25] <Italian_Plumber> I was just wondering if there was a way of telling after I booted it up
[13:25] <Italian_Plumber> heh... :) okay I'm officially bonking myself on my forehead.
[13:26] <Damascene> the sound icon is not showing. how to get it back
[13:26] <Italian_Plumber> I
[13:27] <phaidros> you
[13:27] <Italian_Plumber> I'm excited because now I get to see if the drivers for the Broadcom wireless in my Dell laptop have been fixed.
[13:28] <phaidros> Italian_Plumber: b43? lets see how stable they are, at freifunk we need them too, testing from time to time, latest version are somewhat stable
[13:28] <robin0800> Damascene: its in the indicater applet
[13:29] <Damascene> I'm using netbook launcher and I couldn't find any way to add applet
[13:29] <Italian_Plumber> Not sure if it's b43.  Do you have a Dell, too?   My Latitude E5500
[13:29] <Bash> I'm looking at the driver screen and it says "The drivers are activated but not currently in use" :/
[13:29] <phaidros> Italian_Plumber: with my dell I have luckily a intel wifi card
[13:30] <Italian_Plumber> I mainly (only) use Ubuntu Desktop as the live CD, and I use the Jaunty CD.
[13:30] <robin0800> Damascene: can you not right click on the panel?
[13:30] <Italian_Plumber> When I started using the Karmic, I had to manually load the drivers every time I booted up.  I don't have to do that under Jaunty, so I went back.
[13:30] <Damascene> yes but there is only choice to remove
[13:31] <Damascene> like there is no free space on the panel
[13:31] <gnomefreak> Bash: reboot?
[13:32] <robin0800> Damascene: the icon may be there do you have the envelope icon
[13:32] <Damascene> yes
[13:32] <phaidros> Damascene: usually you can start an applett from the terminal if you know the name
[13:32] <Machtin> hm.
[13:32] <Damascene> ok, what is the name of the sound applet, please?
[13:33] <phaidros> if I would know that ..
[13:33] <Machtin> since i edited my crypttab to load the device and fstab to mount it, i can't boot anymore.. it results in a black screen.
[13:33] <phaidros> what it could be named? I am scolling through my ps
[13:33] <robin0800> Damascene: well its next to that but many icon sets don't show it as a speaker
[13:33] <Machtin> any ideas what i could do about it?
[13:33] <phaidros> Damascene: gnome-volume-control-applet maybe?
[13:34] <Damascene> nothing with that name
[13:34] <Bash> I did.
[13:34] <Bash> gnomefreak, I did.
[13:34] <Bash> It's saying that after reboot
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Bash: use the xorg-edgers PPA see if it is fixed there
[13:34] <phaidros> Damascene: hm, that one I have here on non-netbook install
[13:34] <Damascene> robin0800, to the right of the envelope there is the date and to the left there is the power icon
[13:35] <gnomefreak> Bash: or just file a bug. noone in here is going to fix the package. that is why we have an Xorg development team
[13:37] <robin0800> Damascene: perhaps as they changed it for this release its not made it to the netbook perhaps a bug
[13:37] <phaidros> Damascene: hm, maybe you can meanwhile circumvent by loading the pulse audio manage applet
[13:38] <Damascene> any one using netbook launcher beside me
[13:39] <Damascene> I can control form system >> sound but I wonder if it's only my problem or if there is others
[13:39] <robin0800> Damascene: Sound is also in the preferences but won't help with the icon
[13:40] <Damascene> yes it's in the preference section of the system tab. preferences and administration are on the same page in netbook view
[13:41] <Italian_Plumber> phaidros: do you know anyone with a dell that has the Broadcom wifi card?
[13:41] <platius> Damascene,  you can right click on  System>preferences>sound  and add to your panel
[13:42] <Damascene> not in the net-book launcher, there is only add to favorite after open
[13:42] <Damascene> *under
[13:42] <robin0800> Damascene: you could install pulse audio volume control but don't know if you can add it to your panel
[13:44] <Damascene> I think we are for testing. these is no problem to me. I just want some one else to check if he has the problem so we can report it
[13:44] <Damascene> *we are here for
[13:44] <robin0800> Damascene: have you changed icon sets?
[13:45] <Damascene> many times
[13:45] <gnomefreak> bazhang: hi
[13:45] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hi
[13:45] <Bash> I filed a bug
[13:45] <bazhang> Bash, for what
[13:45] <Bash> Guss I'll just have to wait for a fix
[13:46] <Bash> the nvidia drivers now working
[13:46] <bazhang> on lucid?
[13:46] <Bash> it says "This driver is activated but not currently in use"
[13:46] <gnomefreak> Bash: good. or try the xorg-edgers PPA
[13:46] <Bash> yes
[13:46] <bazhang> well it may be fixed by the time of release, nice to file bugs to help :)
[13:46] <Bash> xorg-edgers?
[13:46] <robin0800> Damascene: have you any icon you don't recognize ? many icon sets have not been updated
[13:47] <bjsnider> there are no bugs in nvidia-current at the present time
[13:47] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: yes there is :)
[13:47] <bjsnider> it is considered that the open bug reports are user-created issues
[13:47] <Damascene> robin0800, no
[13:47] <gnomefreak> nvidia in gernel is broken
[13:47] <gnomefreak> general
[13:48] <gnomefreak> jockey cant get the drivers (the upstream installer is broken
[13:48] <gnomefreak> )
[13:48] <robin0800> Damascene: well I suspect its a bug then thy forgot to include it
[13:48] <Damascene> I'll check
[13:49] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: did you see if you have any updates? i dont recall what the updates were
[13:49] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i'm not using lucid
[13:50] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: ah that would explain it
[13:50] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, i'm echoing the sentiments in the -x channel
[13:50] <gnomefreak> my nvidia works fine
[13:50] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: ah good idea
[13:50] <bjsnider> all remaining bugs are merely support requests
[13:51] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: i was just going on the alpha 3 known issues
[13:51] <bjsnider> we do have an issue with people who are using ppa drivers in karmic before upgrading. that's being worked on
[13:51] <bjsnider> and anyone who used the nvidia installer itself will have issues
[13:51] <gnomefreak> jockey is getting them?
[13:51] <bjsnider> since it is no longer compatible with lucid's xorg/mesa system
[13:52] <gnomefreak> xorg got updated today or last night
[13:52] <bjsnider> jockey is getting what?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: jocckey uses upstream package
[13:52] <gnomefreak> AFAIR
[13:52] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[13:53] <gnomefreak> x11-common xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all  most recent update for X
[13:53] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: hi
[13:53] <robin0800> bjsnider: actually the release notes say fglrx dosen't work with the new Xserver
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hey gnomefreak
[13:53] <gnomefreak> robin0800: current
[13:53] <bjsnider> nvidia-current is the packaging scripts that contain the nvidia driver itself. jockey does 2 things: updates xorg.conf, and activates the driver through the alternatives system
[13:54] <bjsnider> the upstream installer as you put it will not work anymore in lucid, by design. it is being blocked on purpose
[13:54] <bjsnider> because if someone were to use it they would hopelessly bork their system
[13:55]  * gnomefreak thought nvidia packages were gotten the same way as flash 
[13:55] <gnomefreak> script goes to upstream package nad downloads
[13:55] <bjsnider> not at all
[13:56] <bjsnider> they are already in the nvidia-current package
[13:57] <gnomefreak> since we are unable to rewrite the nvidia code i thought we had to get it from upstream (non-free package)
[13:58] <bjsnider> the upstream installer is included with the packaging scripts, but the installer itself is not used. the contents are unpacked, the kernel module is built, and hte shared libs are put in their proper places with links
[13:58] <bjsnider> and of course the kernel module is installed by dkms
[13:59] <gnomefreak> yeah i knew about the dkms
[13:59] <bjsnider> the contents of the upstream installer package can be unpacked with "--extract"
[13:59] <gnomefreak> that reminds me a little of envy (IIRC we merged or removed it)
[14:00] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: yeah
[14:00] <Machtin> hm. as soon as i enter the following line into my fstab, i can't boot: /dev/mapper/home / ext3 defaults 0 1 <- the screen turns black and the monitor goes to power safe.
[14:01] <Machtin> what's wrong with this?
[14:01] <gnomefreak> Machtin: are you using ext4?
[14:01] <zniavre>  /dev/mapper     /home / ext3 defaults 0 1  you forgot space no ?
[14:02] <Machtin> gnomefreak: yes, but only for my /
[14:02] <Machtin> and that line is wrong, sorry.
[14:02]  * gnomefreak be back in a few
[14:02] <Machtin> /dev/mapper/home /home ext3 defaults 0 1 <- that's it
[14:02] <zniavre> sorry ...
[14:05] <penguin42> Machtin: Are you using lvm for / as well?
[14:05] <Machtin> nope
[14:05] <Machtin> / is unencrypted
[14:05] <phaidros> latest kernel doesnt yield the passphrase request on boot for encrypted partition, how would on e fix that?
[14:07] <Machtin> penguin42: i find it interesting, that i'm not prompted for the passphrase.. i just booted without this line in my fstab, but with the entry in my crypttab.. so the partition doesn't get unlocked.. not only not mounted.
[14:08] <penguin42> Machtin: Odd; I have a partition I don't have automatically mounted that's crypted and has stopped showing up in the disk-mounter panel app
[14:09] <Machtin> strange.
[14:09] <Machtin> oh, as i read the topic: can i suspend to ram again?
[14:09] <phaidros> Machtin: just try :)
[14:10] <phaidros> Machtin: do you get the password request on boot? if so, which latest kernel do you use?
[14:10] <Machtin> no, i don't.
[14:10] <phaidros> hm, latest kernel which did that for me was 2.6.32-12-generic
[14:11] <phaidros> from -13 and now -14 dont ask for pw
[14:11] <Machtin> home    UUID=6408923b-e0d5-46dc-9d1e-990ac13d3320       none            luks <- that line's okay, isn't it?
[14:11] <phaidros> anyone knows, how to enable that pw request? some initrd thing?
[14:11] <Machtin> crypttab, of course
[14:12] <phaidros> Machtin: I have alike, except that i have /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[14:12] <phaidros> dunno if thats important
[14:13] <Machtin> hm, don't think it is.. it did work once like that
[14:13] <phaidros> try kernel -12
[14:14] <penguin42> it's odd it's a kernel thing, I'd have expected it to be initrd
[14:14] <Machtin> don't have that one.
[14:16] <phaidros> penguin42: hm, nothing regarding crrypt in /etc/initramfs, right?
[14:16] <penguin42> phaidros: hmm no, hohum
[14:17] <phaidros> strange..
[14:20] <Machtin> hmh
[14:21] <phaidros> anyone with crypted drive has aswell problems being prompted for passphrase at boot?
[14:21] <Machtin> phaidros: the attempt to suspend to ram was disappointing ;)
[14:21] <phaidros> Machtin: sometimes it works here, sometimes not ..
[14:22] <Machtin> yup, figured that
[14:22] <phaidros> but suspending is none of my concerns anymore, either it works or not, I ve spent to many hours in my life to fix that for my laptops ..
[14:22] <Machtin> wasn't that important anyway.. but it would have saved me some effort with the crypt-thing
[14:22] <phaidros> and with any release again ;)
[14:22] <Machtin> that's what crypt was like for me ;)
[14:23] <Machtin> well.. only with alphas actually.. and the other issue is sound.
[14:23] <phaidros> since I use that crypt, was always stable during dist upgrades (luckily)
[14:23] <Machtin> which actually works quite fine since i have that xonar :)
[14:24] <Machtin> i once took weeks to figure out that i have to use uuid.. not using it somehow shredded my header or so.
[14:25] <Machtin> it changed my disks, i guess.. so it considered home as swap
[14:25] <phaidros> penguin42: even more strange, nothing changed between kernel -12 and -13 except CONFIG_X86_CPU_DEBUG not being set on -13 anymore, but from that version crypt seems broken
[14:26] <penguin42> phaidros: I really doubt the problem is kernel related
[14:26] <phaidros> or, something with crypt changed in between ..
[14:26] <phaidros> something related to mkinitrd
[14:26] <phaidros> or any initrd related
[14:26] <phaidros> penguin42: yeah, kernel shouldn`t be suspected
[14:27] <phaidros> but, I have no clue for now. afk and bbl .. cu guys :)
[14:28] <Machtin> bye phaidros ::)
[14:29] <Machtin> penguin42: any thoughts on monitor going to power safe when i have that fstab-line?
[14:31] <penguin42> Machtin: I don't quite understand how the new ubuntu startup works, I wouldn't be surprised about some interaction of plymouth and mountall
[14:32] <Machtin> that might well be.
[14:33] <Machtin> i read about both in the last days.. mountall said it was terminated.. iirc when i did alt+print+k to get to a root-shell.
[14:33] <Machtin> (which doesn't work any longer)
[14:38] <soee> what do i have to do to upgrade kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 a3 via konsole ?
[14:38] <penguin42> soee: run do-release-upgrade -d
[14:38] <soee> penguin42: thank u
[14:41] <Drakeson> Could someone using amd64 please install xul-ext-greasemonkey and see whether firefox starts?  (it does not start here.  same is xul-ext-firegpg, xul-ext-mozgest, ...)
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> Drakeson: no firefox here dude, sorry
[14:42] <penguin42> Drakeson: Works here
[14:43] <Drakeson> penguin42: amd64? firefox3.6?
[14:43] <penguin42> Drakeson: Yes & Yes
[14:43] <Drakeson> oh!
[14:43] <Drakeson> thanks
[14:43] <Drakeson> penguin42: which xulrunner do you have?
[14:43] <soee> wow ~1100 mb to download while upgrading to 10.04 :p
[14:44] <penguin42> Drakeson: 1.9.1.8+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[14:45] <Drakeson> penguin42: thanks. something must be wrong here.
[14:45] <penguin42> Drakeson: Hang on a sec
[14:45] <Drakeson> penguin42: btw, close firefox once and run it again
[14:45] <Drakeson> it does not start *the second time* here
[14:45] <penguin42> Drakeson: Yeh, it won't run a second time!
[14:46] <penguin42> Drakeson: Agreed, have you filed it?
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Chromium forever :)
[14:47] <Drakeson> no, I have just complained in #ubuntu-mozilla or some such.
[14:47] <Drakeson> penguin42: I am trying to see what else is broken
[14:47] <penguin42> Drakeson: File a bug, tell me the number and I'll confirm it
[14:48] <Drakeson> several of my favorite addons where broken. first I assumed something is wrong with them. now that several of xul-ext-* packages are broken there seems to be something wrong
[14:48] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Firefox for the win!  Best browser to support at the moment, since good number 2 after IE,  Well   it has apparantly more market share than any version of IE on it's own now.   Plus it has code in that are part of the remains of Netscape,  which nearly died at the evil clutches of Internet Explorer being bundled into Windows.  Then later died properly when AOL stopped making it.  RIP Netscape
[14:49] <penguin42> Drakeson: Yeh I don't use any add ons
[14:49] <Drakeson> do you know which version of xulrunner firfox-3.6 uses internally?
[14:49] <Drakeson> I kind of suspect xulrunner to be incompatible
[14:50] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Chrome is part of the Google hype, and Chromium helps with the Google hype.
[14:50] <Drakeson> but I don't know how to confirm that
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: poor ram management in ff imho. Chromium loads faster too. The lubuntu guys tested each for load times and ram use and chromium was a clear winner. Mass use is moot
[14:50] <Drakeson> ActionParsnip: chromium is not mature yet.
[14:50] <penguin42> Drakeson: I'd report it against firefox-3.6 (given that it's multiple things that break it)
[14:50] <Drakeson> ActionParsnip: it has some nice ideas, though.
[14:51] <Drakeson> penguin42: I see. will do in a moment ...
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: if more users == better product then windows is better than ubuntu right?
[14:51] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: RAM management?  uhmm not sure about that, but Flash in Ubuntu in it's Firefox can make the computer slow.   Chromeium is more light waight than Firefox though sure I guess, since netbook remix will have it as default browser.
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> Drakeson: I made the switch and it makes ff look so slow plus moving tabs between browsers is sweet
[14:52] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Netscape
[14:52] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: RIP Netscape
[14:52] <sebsebseb> Firefox woudn't exist if  Netscape hadn't  nearly died
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: nutscrape is what we call it at work ;)
[14:52] <sebsebseb> Chrome and Chromeium probably woudn't of just come along a few years after Firefox either, if Firefox hadn't became the major number 2 browser after IE
[14:53] <sebsebseb> also Chrome like Safari uses  webkit which is a port of KHTML that Apple started and open sourced.  Surely Apple could of just improved KTHML instead?
[14:54] <Drakeson> ActionParsnip: yes, there are nice features, but it is not *mature*, yet.  I occasionally use it when I am not doing something serious and can afford the occasional bugs/crashes/...
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> Firefox most likely gained popularity due to holes in IE6 which are now resolved. People just fear different stuff. Then plugins got made and from what I've seen people got comfy and complacent
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> Drakeson: its not crashed here yet
[14:54] <Drakeson> good for you.
[14:54] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Well it's a rather good thing indeed that Ubuntu Desktop Edition still uses Firefox as the default browser :)
[14:55] <Drakeson> ActionParsnip: take a look at the list of bugs and you'll see.
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: it does. I use ulite or minimal to install. Less fluff
[14:56] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues with grub 2 booting onto a windows partition that i have any ideas what i need to do to rectify the situation. i hit the windows partition yet the screen goes black then just brings up grub and stays there
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> Drakeson: I just see what I experience when I use it and it runs fine. Run firefox for a few hours with adobe flash and java then check how much ram its using. I've seen users with more than 1024mb for just the firefox process
[14:57] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Google and Microsoft and so on aren't our friends,  so it doesn't really make proper sense surely if you think about it,  why  quite a lot of proggarmemrs are for example  proggramming chromium for free,  which Google will then use  code from in their  freeware  Chrome browser?
[14:57] <bazhang> !ot
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: microsoft make tools for a job. If their products fit what you need better than linux then linux is a bad choice. Its all situational
[14:58] <sebsebseb> eagles0513875: This might be helpful
[14:58] <sebsebseb> !grub2 | eagles0513875
[14:58] <Drakeson> sebsebseb: there are projects to "liberate" chromium. the stock chromium is not so good (e.g. on privacy).  for instance see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron
[14:59] <Italian_Plumber> using the lucid alpha 3 live CD now
[15:00] <Italian_Plumber> broadcom wireless card drivers seem to be working fine
[15:00] <Italian_Plumber> but they certainly are slow
[15:00] <ActionParsnip> Drakeson: not bothered about that. Id send them my cookies in an hourly tar if they wanted. I just don't care, not scared and nothing to hide
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> Italian_plumber: is there a bug logged for it?
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> Italian_plumber: does it improve if you update (can't see their being much but maybe)
[15:02] <Italian_Plumber> There is but I can't find it at the moment
[15:02] <Italian_Plumber> I have a launchpad account and I commented on it, but I don't see how I can find the bugs that I commented on
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> Italian_plumber: if you use iwconfig can you set the rate higher?
[15:03] <Italian_Plumber> not sure how to do that
[15:04] <eagles0513875> sebsebseb: the grub 2 link doesnt help me one big
[15:04] <eagles0513875> bit
[15:04] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having issues with grub 2 booting onto a windows partition that i have any ideas what i need to do to rectify the situation. i hit the windows partition yet the screen goes black then just brings up grub and stays there
[15:04] <Italian_Plumber> I commented on an issue similar to the one I *was* having, but am not now.  With alpha 2, the drivers were flaky for me.  With Alpha 3 they work fine, so far, but seem slow
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> Italian_plumber: maybe it will get better over time. Keep an eye on the bugs. Could try some bootoptions maybe.
[15:05] <Italian_Plumber> This is the bug I commented on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/502433
[15:06] <Italian_Plumber> as you can see in my comment, I had different problems on each reboot.  I should reboot several times to see if I get consistent behavior from alpha3.
[15:07] <sebsebseb> ActionParsnip: Just want to quickly go back to earlier, even though it's off topic,  of course Windows isn't better,  because it has most of the Desktop Market share.
[15:07] <eagles0513875> sebsebseb: i only use it cuz im a gamer
[15:07] <eagles0513875> if i wasnt i would be either on osx or linux
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> Sebsebseb: so because more folks use firefox doesn't make it better than chromium by the same token
[15:07]  * eagles0513875 thats my 2 sense
[15:08] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: any ideas as to my issue btw
[15:08] <bazhang> this is not the chat channel  ; please /join #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[15:08] <Italian_Plumber> back after a couple reboots
[15:08] <ikonia> eagles0513875: check your grub config for Windows - has this ever worked or not ?
[15:08] <eagles0513875> i just installed karmic on a 2ndary drive
[15:08] <ikonia> eagles0513875: also is this on lucid or karmic ?
[15:09] <eagles0513875> lucid
[15:09] <eagles0513875> upgraded from karmic
[15:09] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok - so has windows ever worked on either the current karmic/lucid grub configuration ?
[15:09] <eagles0513875> for starters though one issue i had was grub2 not listing my windows partition, but it was listed after running sudo update-grub to get it listed
[15:09] <eagles0513875> ikonia: not sure i booted windows for the first time after install and upgrade this morning
[15:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok - so check the windows grub configuration - make sure it at least "looks" sane
[15:10] <eagles0513875> ok will take a look at the fstab
[15:10] <ikonia> no
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> Eagles0513875: I don't multiboot so have no idea
[15:10] <ikonia> fstab is nothing to do with windows
[15:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: nor is fstab anything to do with grub
[15:11]  * eagles0513875 rules out the idea of mount point issue
[15:11] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why would a mount point effect grub or windows ?
[15:11] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_work: anything to fear from latest nouveau?
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ikonia: dunno how grub 2 besides over writing the ntbootldr functions after that
[15:12] <eagles0513875> i understand the basic concepts of it but not in depth
[15:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: grub 2 works the same as grub one in terms of boot process
[15:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: /etc/fstab is used by the linux operating system
[15:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[15:13]  * eagles0513875 goes back to pondering
[15:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875: check the windows/grub config - look if it at least "looks" sane
[15:13] <ikonia> thats the first point of call
[15:14] <ikonia> there maybe something obvious such as the stated partition being the wrong address, or something along those times
[15:14] <ikonia> "lines" even
[15:14] <eagles0513875> ikonia: im still not used to the grub2 are we talking about the conf in the default folder
[15:16] <Drakeson> penguin42: could you please confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/528498 ?
[15:16] <Drakeson> thanks
[15:16] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it's documented in the link sebsebseb gave you
[15:16] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[15:16] <penguin42> Drakeson: Done
[15:17] <ikonia> the one you said you read and was no use
[15:18] <ikonia> but it's certainly worth just checking out at a high level if everything looks ok in terms of the windows config
[15:18] <ikonia> eg: does it match to the right partition,
[15:21] <BUGabundo_work> alex_mayorga: using blob :(
[15:21] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_work: duh
[15:22] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_work: is there breakage I just updated and are afraid to restart :(
[15:22] <Italian_Plumber> works ok second reboot too
[15:24] <BUGabundo_work> alex_mayorga: LOL
[15:24] <BUGabundo_work> should be stabe
[15:33] <duffydack> whats the difference between plymouth and whatever bootsplash was used before?
[15:35] <gnomefreak> usplash was used before :) and not real sure
[16:03] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone has problem when try install alpha 3? after fiiled everything just crash and not installed
[16:06] <Oxymoron> I wonder, does somebody get mouse integration in Vbox work togehter with Lucid Lynx ALpha 3? :)
[16:11] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox-mouse-integration
[16:12] <ikt> Andre_Gondim: where does it crash?
[16:12] <Andre_Gondim> after click on install, nothing happens
[16:13] <Andre_Gondim> I am downloading again to check it
[16:14] <ikt> :s
[16:14] <ikt> I installed alpha 3 netbook edition just a few hours ago
[16:16] <Andre_Gondim> I'm  downloading, after I will check the iso's hash
[16:21] <icorbett> I have a test kubuntu system that i upgraded from karmic to lucid and the ps2 keyboard/touchpoint and usb mouse don't seem to be playing nice... confirmed it with the alpha3 live cd... any thoughts on chasing that one down?
[16:21] <icorbett> was just directed here from #ubuntu so sorry for the rapid fire join and paste.
[16:24] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Thanks :) I tried something similar before, but it didnt work, but I will try that one instead :)
[16:24] <icorbett> sbts: in regard to your question on #ubuntu, in lucid the keyboard is simply locking up when connected via ps2 (works fine on dual boot), if i disconnect and reconnect with a ps2-usb adapter it picks up the keyboard but shortly begins to repeat an individual character and never stops
[16:24] <icorbett> the usb mouse, on occasion locks up at the kdm login screen or during kde start
[16:25] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, it is the xorg inside the VM (i updated the link to note this as well)
[16:26] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Yeah, outside vbox seems unneccasary :P
[16:26] <sbts> icorbett: that is nasty, what happens if you have only the keyboard plugged into ps2, mouse not connected at all
[16:27] <vish> anyone[with 'un'mounted internal partitions] up for a test?   1> select the unmounted partition from the places menu 2> as soon as the nautilus window is opened , now select unmount button in the sidepane   , what happens?
[16:28] <vish> [select the unmount button without interacting with anything in the window]
[16:28] <icorbett> sbts: i did try that and it seemed to work briefly, but the mouse still locked up... let me see if another package upgrade (managed via ssh) resolves this and if not ill test that way again
[16:28] <icorbett> i may be operating under the false asumption that ps2 is "stable" while usb may be less so.
[16:30] <[LSUCS]Dezza> Hello, I wonder if anyone could help me? I'm trying to get xubuntu alpha3 running on my machine, but I appear to have some form of graphics problem during boot, and the screen just switches off
[16:31] <[LSUCS]Dezza> (this is from the cd)
[16:32] <Italian_Plumber> how many times have you tried?
[16:32] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: doesnt seem to work? :(
[16:32] <[LSUCS]Dezza> several times, any option I select from the boot menu (try, install, check for defects) just *appear* to hand
[16:33] <[LSUCS]Dezza> there is disk activity but no screen activity
[16:33] <[LSUCS]Dezza> I tried removing splash from the boot line, but still no difference
[16:33] <Italian_Plumber> you may have gotten a bad download, or a bad burn.
[16:33] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, sorry man, all I can say the the dreaded "w4m"
[16:34] <Italian_Plumber> the fact that you can't do a disk check makes that somewhat more problematic
[16:34] <Italian_Plumber> or it could be a bug with your hardware.
[16:34] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: w4m? :P
[16:34] <Italian_Plumber> Iv'e tried the live CD four times now and have had no problem.s
[16:34] <ZykoticK9> Oxymoron, sorry - works for me
[16:35] <[LSUCS]Dezza> Italian_Plumber: I'll try the disk in this machine actually, good point. Give me 5mins
[16:35] <icorbett> updates don't fix the ps2 keyboard/touchpoint + usb mouse combination
[16:35] <sbts> icorbett: in the past I have seen problems with ps2 and/or usb keyboards caused by kernel hertz settings being changed, issues with /dev/rtc and a number of other things, including rogue kernel modules that conflict with hardware. as I don't have a lucid system here to play with, I would suggest you check out the kernel docs for boot options. there should be options to disable the iopic, apm, acpi and a number of others that may have an effec
[16:35] <icorbett> removing usb mouse and trying again
[16:35] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: But I dont know if I did it correctly though. I started Kubuntu Lucid alpha 3, edited /X11/xorg.conf as it was there and rebooted?
[16:36] <sbts> icorbett: could you please start your replies with sbts for me, the highlighting helps me keep track and not miss what you say, especially in a busy channel :)
[16:36] <icorbett> sbts: ill give the iopic, apm and acpi kernel parms a shot... the only "rogue" module ive got is the dkms nvidia driver.
[16:37] <icorbett> sbts: sure, sorry for not doing so previously
[16:37] <sbts> icorbett: when you use the usb mouse, are you using a real usb mouse, or a ps2 mouse and adapter, same question for the keyboard?
[16:38] <sbts> icorbett: graphice modules could very well cause these sorts of problems.
[16:38] <Andre_Gondim> in this version is there any applications that needs mono??
[16:38] <icorbett> sbts: the ps2 keyboard/touchpoint are real ps2, the mouse is real usb, i have also tried the keyboard w/ and w/o the touchpoint connected via a ps2-usb adapter, and a separate usb only keyboard
[16:40] <Oxymoron> ZykoticK9: If I remember correctly you should install nvidia drives manually for alpha 2 right? Maybe thats the problem?
[16:40] <sbts> icorbett: so with USB only keyboard and USB only mouse you still have problems?
[16:40] <sbts> icorbett: that is without the touchpoint?
[16:41] <n8w> hey
[16:41] <n8w>  ive got a problem with setting up paths for python environment for ibm data servers....here is the "step by step" what i do: http://paste-it.net/public/sa09a59/
[16:41] <n8w> ive been told in #debian channel that the problem related to ubuntu/kubuntu distros
[16:42] <icorbett> sbts: yes, i have two usb keyboards, one with touchpoint and one without, both seem to have problems, i have not yet tested with usb keyboard without usb mouse or touchpoint
[16:44] <icorbett> sbts: it also seems to be related to boot... i just rebooted again and if i wait too long it hangs at the kdm login prompt
[16:44] <sbts> icorbett: that's fine. just thought I should check, can you remove (or blacklist) the nvidia driver, and try again, the system *should* boot using std vesa drivers. this will exclude issues with them. after that try the kernel options
[16:44] <icorbett> sbts: i should say, related to time from boot.
[16:45] <sbts> icorbett: I have seen similar symptoms before, iirc it was related to interrupt problems, 2 kernel modules trying to use the same one. It would also be possible for a memory issue or thermal issue to do something similar.
[16:46] <om26er> !ping
[16:46] <sbts> icorbett: wrt the boot/login screen lockup, could you still access the machine via ssh, and was it *responsive*, or was it sluggish?
[16:48] <icorbett> sbts: lsmod | grep nv shows that the nvidia driver is not presently loaded, though i have no problem adding "blacklist nvidia" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[16:49] <icorbett> sbts: i am doing all research on the machine via ssh now and it seems fine
[16:51] <icorbett> sbts: reviewing /var/log/Xorg.0.log confirms that it is using vesa currently
[16:51] <[LSUCS]Dezza> Hey there, I managed to get to a working desktop on this machine
[16:51] <[LSUCS]Dezza> and I've rebooted into the old installation on the machine I was testing on, and the md5sum of the .iso is good
[16:55] <[LSUCS]Dezza> interesting.. I may have something now
[16:56] <[LSUCS]Dezza> left the machine for a few mins and the screen has sprung back into life with a cursor on it
[16:57] <[LSUCS]Dezza> very worrying however having the screen go off with no input for 5mins or so while it's loading
[17:04] <icorbett> sbts: trying with noacpi made no difference, trying with that and apm=off now, i am not finding any reference to iopic kernel parms
[17:05] <sbts> icorbett: sorry distracted for a minute or 10. ok so it should not be a video driver, I would try setting a few kernel options, maybe all of the ones that look likely first, then if that helps, start dropping them 50% at a time
[17:06] <sbts> icorbett: once you have worked out which 50% use only half of them, follow the same reduction in numbers each time, this is quicker than testing one by one.
[17:06] <ikt> anybody having this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/528473
[17:07] <sbts> icorbett: it may have been ioapic, I will do a quick google
[17:08] <icorbett> sbts: i understand the theory there... and agree with it, just a matter of sorting out which parms might be effective...
[17:09] <icorbett> sbts: as for the distraction, ive got a bit of that myself so aboslutely no worries
[17:10] <eagles0513875> ikonia: :( its still not working even after following whats on the grub2 link
[17:10] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | eagles0513875
[17:10] <sbts> icorbett: something else that may be worth doing straight away, add a kernel option "single" this should get you either a simple menu at the console, or a bash prompt
[17:11] <sbts> icorbett: from there you can play around and see if the keyboard locks up, if you install gpm you will be also able to test the mouse.
[17:11] <Oxymoron> Uhm, when I upgraded nvidia alternative drivers kdm doesnt start on bootup? How to solve?
[17:11] <Oxymoron> It also uses tty2 and not tty7? :S
[17:11] <sbts> icorbett: remember though, if you install gpm. it is best to remove it BEFORE you start X up
[17:12] <ikonia> eagles0513875: please pate your grub config for the windows boot
[17:13] <sbts> icorbett: if every thing works fine from the console (when booted in single mode) then it is a very good bet that you have a problem related to either graphics drivers, or morelikely the X input system
[17:13] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i have one other thing to try there is a mention of a -no-floppy error which might be doign it not sure though
[17:13] <icorbett> sbts: right, the keyboard seems fine in "text mode"
[17:14] <icorbett> sbts: i would certainly believe it is the x input system, it almost seems like the mice are "competing" but thats something I can't quite put a finger on.
[17:14] <ikonia> doubtful
[17:15] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ok
[17:15] <ikonia> eagles0513875: pastebin your windows grub2 file
[17:15] <sbts> if that is the case, I would suggest perhaps finding an xorg support forum/channel I probably could have helped you track that down with the old X11 but I have never had a problem with Xorg, and I know that pretty much everything is different :(
[17:15] <icorbett> sbts: installation of gpm seems to confirm, as both mice work fine
[17:16] <sbts> icorbett: sorry the last one from me was for you, missed your nick :)
[17:16] <sbts> icorbett: I am not even sure which modules handle it in xorg
[17:17] <icorbett> sbts: heh, no problem... any thoughts on ubuntu specific xorg support channels or is ubuntu close enough to upstream that normal xorg channels should work?
[17:17] <sbts> icorbett: once you have worked it out would you mind doing a /msg sbts or /query sbts and let me know (basically pm me)
[17:18] <icorbett> sbts: of course i wouldn't mind... I am a big believer in closing the loop
[17:18] <sbts> icorbett: I would start with the upstream, and if they can't help, I hope they will be able to point you at the best place for resolution.
[17:19] <sbts> icorbett: thanks, it is always nice to findout what caused a problem, may save my ass from being bitten next time around the loop.
[17:20] <icorbett> sbts: I hear that.
[17:21] <sbts> icorbett: well it is 01:20 am here, I should be off to bed. will check in on #ubuntu then crash I think
[17:22] <benje> hi does lucid kernel will include modification of ratelimit fonction ?
[17:23] <benje> to include description of the function which call it
[17:25] <eagles0513875> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/DtF02cZF
[17:25] <icorbett> sbts: oh hey, this is interesting, after shutting down the "netroot" prompt from the recovery menu, and selecting resume, it takes me to a login prompt and promptly locks the keyboard
[17:26] <icorbett> sbts: of course not a problem... not worth staying up late to work on this... ill try to keep playing with the kernel parms, thanks for the help thus far!
[17:26] <ikonia> eagles0513875: looks at /dev/sda1 and root hd0,1 - is that right as it doesn't look right to me
[17:26] <eagles0513875> i have 2 hdds
[17:27] <eagles0513875> one is 500gb drive other is 2tb drive with a 500gb partition for kubuntu
[17:27] <ikonia> that is nothing to do with it
[17:27] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:27] <ikonia> I said check the partitions are right - it doesn't matter if you have 10 disks
[17:27] <ikonia> check they are right, /dev/sda1 doesn't normally match (hd0,1) - however it "could" be right
[17:28] <eagles0513875> ikonia: foudn the error
[17:28] <benje> on a bi P3 processor on asus tr-dls, i get message about slow clocksource. do you know if i can use acpi_pm_good ?
[17:28] <ikonia> eagles0513875: oh really ?
[17:28] <eagles0513875> dev sda1 is an efi partition created by windows itself
[17:29] <eagles0513875> dev/sda2 is the remaining space on that  drive
[17:29] <Oxymoron> How do I install nvidia alternative drivers correctly?
[17:29] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you told windows to create an efi partition ?
[17:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: at least you know the problem
[17:30] <eagles0513875> ikonia: it does it on its own it creates another small partition for some reason on its own
[17:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no it doesn't
[17:30] <eagles0513875> 100mb partition
[17:30] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the 100 system partition
[17:30] <ikonia> it doesn't create an efi partition on it's own
[17:30] <eagles0513875> sry im thinking mac and dual booting
[17:31] <eagles0513875> ikonia: what file do i need to edit to fix that error and point grub at sda2
[17:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: the windows config file in your grub config dir - it's named in the file
[17:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: fyi: /dev/sda2 would match better with (hd0,1) that makes more sense to me
[17:32] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, ping
[17:36] <alex_mayorga> anyone familiar with nouveau that can explain lbm-nouveau.nomodeset to me please
[17:38] <eagles0513875> ikonia: so i would need to edit the os prober file?
[17:40] <yofel_> grub1 or 2? grub1: sda2 == hd0,1 | grub2: sda2 == hd0,2
[17:42] <eagles0513875> yofel: grub 2 its looking at a small system partition of 100mb for my windows partition i need to change it to look at sda2 not 1
[17:42] <eagles0513875> yofel: confused as to what file exactly to edit
[17:48] <yofel> ok, just so understand this right, kubuntu loads fine but you can't boot win7?
[17:48] <yofel> eagles0513875: ^^^
[17:49] <eagles0513875> yofel: yes
[17:49] <yofel> *so I understand...
[17:49] <eagles0513875> i did an fdisk -l on /dev/sda and it has 2 partitions
[17:49] <eagles0513875> 100mb system partition and rest of the 500gb hdd is win install
[17:49] <eagles0513875> which is /dev/sda2
[17:49] <eagles0513875> yofel: http://pastebin.com/DtF02cZF
[17:50]  * eagles0513875 still hasnt gotten used to grub2 and the way things are done yet
[17:50] <yofel> hm yes, but the windows bootloader should be on sda1 and be loaded with 'chainloader +1'
[17:50] <yofel> lemme try here in a moment, I've got a similiar setup on one of my pcs
[17:50] <eagles0513875> yofel: when i installed windows which was before linux it put the 100mb first
[17:50] <eagles0513875> yofel: ill be back i need to go pick up me mother from university then ill be back
[17:51] <sbts> icorbett: yeah, that bug with the netroot prompt/menu is a pain, I havn't seen the lockup, but there has traditionally been strange behaviour of the menu when you go into single mode
[17:51] <eagles0513875> yofel: feel free to leave me a pm or ping me and ill see it when i return
[17:51] <yofel> I'll try it after I finish making myself an up-to-date lucid live disk just in case...
[17:51] <yofel> eagles0513875: will do
[17:51] <eagles0513875> yofel: ok :( dont want you to break ur system for me :(
[17:52] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, just pick them in jockey (hardware drivers manager)
[17:52] <yofel> eagles0513875: not quite, I've had issues with grub2 and booting windows myself and it's a good opportunity to debug it ;)
[17:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[17:52] <yofel> eagles0513875: but my grub.cfg looks the same here (the windows section)
[17:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: just cant afford to lose my music i have on windows drive :( specially since i dj
[17:53] <icorbett> sbts: the last option i "discovered" and tried adding was noapic and it seems to be working again... ill try removing all others and see if that stays the same
[17:53] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yeah if jockey even would recognize them as it doesnt in alpha yet ... and now my screen does not work at all. Tahnk god for vbox
[17:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: try boot for me i get a black screen then it says GRUB and thats it
[17:53]  * eagles0513875 will brb
[17:53] <yofel> eagles0513875: wait
[17:53] <yofel> does it boot at all after that?
[17:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: no
[17:53] <yofel> neither windows and linux or just windows not?
[17:54] <eagles0513875> windows doesnt yofel kubuntu is fine
[17:54]  * eagles0513875 away
[17:54] <yofel> ok
[17:54] <abe3k> hi
[17:55]  * BluesKaj returns from daily trek
[17:55] <icorbett> sbts: which i guess would mean i have a buggy apic which just showed up with the .32 series kernels?
[17:56] <abe3k> I have an eeepc 904hd and I think theres is a small problem with the black indication boxes, the black indication boxes show up too far away from the top of the monitor.
[17:56] <sbts> icorbett: that sounds likely, noapic is the option I was thinking of when I said ioapic! too much going on and not enough grey matter :)
[17:56] <abe3k> is this a problem ?
[17:56] <benje> how can we change apport preference ?
[17:57] <Oxymoron> Its seems like a problem with plymouth
[17:57] <yofel> benje: what do you want  to do?
[17:57] <icorbett> sbts: well i am thrilled that seems to have done the trick! Thanks so much for the time you spent!
[17:58] <benje> yofel reactive apport for jackd i tell not report more but bug repport failed
[17:58] <sbts> icorbett: I would recommend filing a bug agains the ubuntu kernel package, when you do provide full details of your machine (make, model, and if you are happy to the serial number) for the model, please make sure you give both the "common" model name and the full model/partnumber found on the bottom of the machine.
[17:59] <abe3k> any ideas ?
[17:59] <yofel> sbts, icorbett: if you file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' apport should do that for you
[17:59] <yofel> abe3k: like, 20% from the height away from the top?
[18:00] <benje> wishlist asking after good report :)
[18:00] <icorbett> sbts: ill do a bit of digging to make sure it is noapic that has done the trick
[18:01] <benje> i cannot found any doc about apport with google
[18:01] <icorbett> sbts: if i can confirm, ill file the report with anything and everything I can, hopefully prevent the pain for others!
[18:01] <sbts> icorbett: if you have time and the inclination, it would be good if you could grab the kernel config file from (I think) /proc/config or /proc/kernel/config, something like that, and a copy of the upstream kernel source. then compile a kernel using that config and the upstream source.  then test your custom kernel. if the bug can be reproduced there, update the ubuntu bug to say so, and file an upstream bug.
[18:05] <abe3k> yofel: like theres another invisible box ontop of the one showing up
[18:05] <abe3k> yofel: this mostly happens with the network connection indication
[18:07] <yofel> abe3k: ok, I have heard of that and I think that's intentionally but as I use KDE I haven't kept track of notify-osd for a while, you should wait for someone else to answer that
[18:07] <abe3k> yofel: the volume indication is almost perfect, but other indications have the problem I mentioned
[18:08] <abe3k> yofel: anyways I'll wait for someone whos working on gnome :>
[18:09] <yofel> abe3k: afaik stuff like sound/brightness etc. notifications should appear in the first line and it's reserved for them and normal notifications will appear below them and leave a space on top in that case iirc
[18:09] <abe3k> yofel: I see, that kinda makes sense now thanks :)
[18:09] <yofel> as I said I'm not sure
[18:10] <abe3k> yofel: overall experience on the eeepc 904hd is excellent
[18:13] <abe3k> only thing that bothers me is the bluetooth manager that comes with ubuntu it should be replaced with blueman, since it offers 3g connectivity over bluetooth
[18:13] <benje> nobody knows how to reactive repport for a program ?
[18:13] <abe3k> and many more cool features of bluetooth
[18:14] <sinurge> hello
[18:14] <abe3k> also blueman can let you connect to the internet on the mobile via your local internet connection
[18:15] <sinurge> lucid has a ability to use multiple nvidia drivers. but everytime i use hardware drivers it never finishes the setup
[18:15] <sinurge> says error stored in var/log/jockey.log
[18:15] <abe3k> you should use the beta drivers for lucid
[18:15] <abe3k> since xorg has been changed
[18:16] <sinurge> abe3k now how do i do that again
[18:18] <abe3k> sinurge :http://ubuntu10-04.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-fix-problems-with-xorg-and.html
[18:19] <benje> yofel: any idea ?
[18:20] <benje> nothing about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[18:20] <icorbett> sbts: i took notes of the requests including yofel's mention of using apport and will follow up with all of it, thanks again and have a good night!
[18:21] <high-rez> Now that nouveau is the default, what is the proper way to switch back to nvidia proprietary?
[18:21] <Unksi> abe3k: there is a package nvidia-current which has version 195.36.03, do you know if theres any difference to the one with that vdpau repo?
[18:21] <bjsnider> use jockey for that
[18:21] <yofel> benje: not sure, you could check if you have a crash file in /var/crash and see if deleting it helps, if not maybe the other bugsquad folks in #ubuntu-bugs can help you
[18:21] <benje> ok
[18:22] <bjsnider> Unksi, i don't have lucid drivers in the vdpau ppa
[18:22] <Unksi> ok
[18:22] <benje> ok thanks yofel
[18:23] <bjsnider> sinurge, did you upgrade from a previous distro to lucid?
[18:23] <sinurge> no
[18:23] <sinurge> its a fresh install
[18:23] <bjsnider> you clean installed lucid?
[18:23] <sinurge> yeah
[18:23] <bjsnider> what graphcs card do you have?
[18:24] <sinurge> nvidia 6600
[18:24] <bjsnider> what does jockey.log say?
[18:25] <sinurge> 2010-02-26 21:48:12,221 WARNING: cannot connect to cups; printer detection is not available
[18:25] <bjsnider> pastebin the whole thing
[18:25] <sbts> icorbett: your most welcom
[18:26] <sbts> icorbett: your most welcome!
[18:26] <penguin42> sinurge: Try doing an /etc/init.d/cups start
[18:26] <penguin42> (as root)
[18:27] <sinurge> whats the expected result
[18:27] <penguin42> hopefully then whatever it was that couldn't connect to cups will be able to
[18:27] <penguin42> oh, sorry, it wasn't actually a printer problem you had!
[18:28] <sinurge> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ysMRCWdt
[18:30] <eagles0513875> yofel: im back
[18:32] <yofel> eagles0513875: still trying to burn the live disk (2nd try, the disk verification for the first found errors -.-)
[18:32] <eagles0513875> yofel: ok
[18:32] <bjsnider> sinurge, run dkms status
[18:33] <eagles0513875> yofel: if you tell me what file to change i can test it as this is on a separate drive and i can afford to reformat it
[18:34] <yofel> eagles0513875: as your grub.cfg is the same as mine (for the windows part) and it worked here last time I booted windows (a few weeks ago) I'm not sure what could be the issue
[18:34] <sinurge> nvidia-current, 195.36.03, 2.6.32-10-generic, i686: installed
[18:34] <sinurge> nvidia-173, 173.14.22, 2.6.32-10-generic, i686: installed
[18:34] <yofel> other than grub2 broke in the meantime
[18:34] <eagles0513875> yofel: do you have a 100mb system partition?
[18:34] <eagles0513875> as the first partition on said drive
[18:34] <eagles0513875> then windows partition
[18:34] <yofel> eagles0513875: yep, win7 seems to need it (as it created it on installation)
[18:34] <eagles0513875> yofel: im wondering if the issue is having kubuntu possibly on a 2nd drive
[18:36] <yofel> eagles0513875: not sure, I have kubuntu on sda3 for that matter
[18:36] <bjsnider> sinurge, try activating the 173 from jockey
[18:36] <eagles0513875> yofel: mines on scd0
[18:36] <eagles0513875> yofel: sry sdb3 on mine
[18:37] <sinurge> bhsnider: thats what i have been asking how do i start jockey
[18:37] <yofel> hm, but I doubt that should prevent windows from booting... where did you install grub2 at? (sda MBR here)
[18:38] <sinurge> is it the same as hardware drivers
[18:43] <eagles0513875> yofel: mbr on the mbr of the drive that i have windows on
[18:43] <yofel> ok, so the same too
[18:43] <yofel> ok, rebooting
[18:44] <eagles0513875> yofel: ok
[18:45] <yofel> hm, windows boots fine
[18:46] <yofel> from sda1
[18:46] <eagles0513875> isnt sda1 the 100mb boot partition
[18:46] <yofel> it is
[18:46] <major_redhat> what about sda0
[18:46] <eagles0513875> yofel: what if you switch that to boot of the main partition which would be sda2 for me
[18:46] <yofel> lemme boot kubuntu again and pastebin my grub.cfg
[18:46] <eagles0513875> major_redhat: ?
[18:47] <major_redhat> drive assignment
[18:47] <major_redhat> sda0, sda1, sda2
[18:47] <eagles0513875> major_redhat: i have 2 drives
[18:47] <yofel> major_redhat: drive names begin at 1 not 0
[18:48] <eagles0513875> major_redhat: sda1 and 2 are on a 500gb drive that has 100mb partition for windows system files and rest is space which is sda2
[18:48] <major_redhat> o ok i misread something
[18:48] <eagles0513875> and then sdb 1 linux and 3 is swap with rest of space ntfs
[18:52] <yofel> ok, here my grub.cfg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/384571/
[18:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: mines exactly the same
[18:53] <yofel> and 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda' http://paste.ubuntu.com/384572/
[18:54] <eagles0513875> yofel: would it be having the linux partition on a different disk have something to do with this
[18:55] <eagles0513875> or the size of the 2ndary drive i put it on?
[18:55] <yofel> no idea really, it *should* not but I don't know enough about grub to help here
[18:56] <eagles0513875> is there an ubuntu-grub channel or something of the sort or would i need to go into ubuntu-kernel
[19:03] <eagles0513875> ikonia: any ideas cuz my configuration is the exact same as yofel's in regard to dual booting with win 7
[19:28] <eagles0513875> any grub experts in here
[19:28] <eagles0513875> im having a strange issue with grub 2 and windows 7 :(
[19:32] <high-rez> Wow, the nouveau integration is just a mess.  I switched back to the proprietary drivers using jockey and my machine just freezes on bootup now.  It appears to be loading the nouveau module regardless
[19:32] <eagles0513875> yofel: question for you are you running 32bit or 64 bit win 7
[19:34] <yofel> 64
[19:34] <eagles0513875> strange. im still puzzled as to what i have done wrong
[19:53] <cwillu_at_work> what's the script that make /etc/sudoers on a fresh install?
[19:53] <cwillu_at_work> dpkg-query -S doesn't show anything
[20:09] <Chipaca> is it a known issue in the lucid iso that it can't mount ext4 filesystems it just created?
[20:10] <Chipaca> I'm trying to install lucid using lucid-desktop-i386.iso (alpha3), inside kvm, and it failed, and mount of an ext4 fs fails, even right after a mkfs
[20:12] <high-rez> Are plymouth and nvidia-proprietary drivers mutually exclusive?  It seems you need KMS for Plymouth - but if you load the nouveau/drm module that gives you KMS that the nvidia proprietary drivers break, is that correct?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Chipaca: never had any issues with it here
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I ran about 30 installs for testing over two days, all worked
[20:19] <Chipaca> charlie-tca: I can't mount a thing, it complains about corruption (???)
[20:19] <jbicha> high-rez: I thought Plymouth worked with the proprietary Nvidia drivers but maybe I don't know what I'm looking at
[20:19] <charlie-tca> something went wrong there, I don't know what it is.
[20:24] <Chipaca> charlie-tca: these multiple installs were inside kvm?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> no. Hardware and VBox
[20:24] <charlie-tca> both
[20:25] <Chipaca> vbox as in VirtualBox?
[20:25] <Chipaca> I'll try that one
[20:25] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:26] <high-rez> jbicha: From what I've read plymouth requires KMS, and as I understand KMS is not available in nvidia-proprietary.  So its nouveau or nothing at this point.  And, frankly, nouveau is just too infant to be usable on a modern desktop.
[20:27] <jbicha> well you don't need Plymouth to boot
[20:27] <charlie-tca> Umm, nouveau is the default driver in lucid now
[20:27] <jbicha> in the sense that I can boot the nvidia proprietary driver just fine
[20:27] <bjsnider> plymouth would select a basic vesa type thing if it had no better kms driver
[20:28] <high-rez> jbicha: Yeah, totally understand - I was just trying to figure it out how to get my system back after the latest aptitude full-upgrade pushed me to nouveau :)
[20:29] <high-rez> charlie-tca: It is, but on two of my systems it hasn't proven to be very reliable.  Don't get me wrong, I really would like to see it take off and be wildly successful, but at this stage in its development it seems a little premature for inclusion in a product that'll be shipping pretty soon.
[20:30] <high-rez> bjsnider: Hmmf, its not running at all for me.  What I read said it required KMS, which I didn't think was available with vesafb..
[20:30]  * penguin42 plays with kubuntu+1 and wonders htf to disable the 'pop' whenever I click a button
[20:30] <jbicha> a terrible answer, but...you could try a live CD of a recent build & reinstall if that works, if the upgrade didn't quite work right it may be difficult to fix
[20:31] <high-rez> Yeah, no reinstall.  I'll roll with what i got.  :)  Everything seems mostly fixed after I just ripped nouveau out completely.
[20:36] <avi_> hey, can anyone verify if Plymouth works with Karmic?
[20:37] <avi_> As in, if I can use Plymouth 9.10?
[20:37] <Italian_Plumber> you might want to ask that in #ubuntu.  This is #ubuntu+1, which is lucid, not karmic
[20:38] <avi_> Yeah, But I've been unsucessful in that channel. I guessed that since Plymouth is in Lucid, people might know.
[20:38] <jbicha> avi_: no, Plymouth isn't available for 9.10
[20:38] <avi_> Thanks.
[20:39] <avi_> jbicha: oh, ok.
[20:39] <charlie-tca> OTOH, does plymouth work with lucid ;-)
[20:40] <penguin42> charlie-tca: On a good day....
[20:41] <avi_> charlie-tca: but, Alpha 3 doesn't have flash support, or so I'm told.
[20:41] <charlie-tca> I didn't test flash
[20:41] <penguin42> well it does on upgrade, not tried a fresh install
[20:42] <high-rez> I think the answer to that question is "it depends on your video card hardware and the driver you're using."
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Oh, ubuntu! Yes, I think it works there, but not in Xubuntu
[20:42] <charlie-tca> or it conflicts with my nvidia cards
[20:42] <avi_> is it possible to test plymouth running in VB?
[20:43] <charlie-tca> I don't know? but that is a really good question
[20:43] <avi_> Right. Well I actually config'd Alpha 3 with VB
[20:43] <avi_> testing it now
[20:45] <avi_> How can I 'enable' Plymouth?
[20:45] <avi_> In Alpha3, that is.
[20:45] <charlie-tca> It is already
[20:46] <avi_> really?
[20:46]  * charlie-tca thought it is already, anyway
[20:46] <avi_> if so, then it didn't work.
[20:46] <charlie-tca> They said that is the white/blue/blue lines across the bottom in xubuntu
[20:46] <avi_> oooh
[20:46] <avi_> i saw that!
[20:46] <avi_> wondering what that was.
[20:47] <avi_> too bad I'm using Ubuntu, not Xubuntu.
[20:47]  * charlie-tca is sorry :-(
[20:48] <avi_> hmm, I wonder if I need to specify *which* plymouth theme i need?
[20:48] <avi_> and that those odd lines are some boring default theme?
[20:53] <avi_> Okay, i think i set plymouth to Solar theme.
[20:53] <avi_> Hopefully that wil work.
[20:58] <zniavre> avi_,  do tou have an how-to to do that please?
[20:58] <zniavre> you*
[20:58] <avi_> Not an expert, but this is what I followed:
[20:59] <avi_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/504052/comments/12
[21:00] <avi_> plymouth is def. trying to run, but its def. not actually showing up at start
[21:02] <zniavre> did you rebooted yet to see it?
[21:03] <cellofellow> I heard that Lucid uses Plymouth? Does it just replace usplash, or xsplash too?
[21:04] <cwillu_at_work> no, xsplash is still ther
[21:04] <cellofellow> ok, nifty
[21:04] <cwillu_at_work> xsplash is used as soon as possible basically
[21:04] <avi_> zniavre: I rebooted, but Plymouth is not showing.
[21:04] <zniavre> ok
[21:05] <zniavre> at least i know now the pllymouth theme list
[21:05] <avi_> Yes.
[21:07] <avi_> does anyone know where I can check if my gfx card is supported by Plymouth?
[21:10] <avi_> About flash -- just checked, flash works prefectly fine in Lucid A3. (Firefox)
[21:33] <zniavre> does gdm2setup works on lucid?
[21:39] <Plagman_> Hey
[21:39] <Plagman_> evtouch doesn't seem to install on lucid alha 3
[21:39] <Plagman_> i.e.
[21:39] <Plagman_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:39] <Plagman_>   xserver-xorg-input-evtouch: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.2) but it is not going to be installed
[21:39] <Plagman_> how do I work around that?
[21:44] <robin0800> Plagman_: I think lucid xserver is 1.7,5 so you would have to downgrade it
[21:44] <Plagman_> so X 1.7.5 is too recent for evtouch?
[21:45] <Plagman_> how do I get my touchscreen to work? is evtouch deprecated?
[21:46] <penguin42> sounds like a packaging bug
[21:50] <robin0800> Plagman_: theres a 0.8.8-0ubuntu8 evtouch driver dated 09/02/2010 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-evtouch/0.8.8-0ubuntu8
[21:51] <Plagman_> what do I do with that?
[21:51] <Plagman_> it says it failed to build
[21:51] <Plagman_> does that mean it didn't try to build a deb or that it failed and so it won't build on my system either?
[21:52] <robin0800> Plagman_: There should be a read me or install info included
[21:54] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:54] <melter> i installed lucid alpha 3 server, and the cursor just blinks in the upper left corner
[21:55] <kklimonda> have you reaf release notes?
[21:55] <kklimonda> read*
[21:59] <robin0800> Plagman_: just looked at the driver instructions would say you would have to be an advanced user if not to make but calibrate is another matter
[22:01] <melter> kklimonda: looks like a known issue, easy workaround
[22:10] <avi_> does member:anyone know if I can test Plymouth from the livecd?
[22:10] <avi_> does anyone know if I can test Plymouth from the livecd?
[22:13] <Anzenketh> I don't see why not.
[22:13] <kikbguy> anyone know where to find the log file of a 10.04 alpha 3 livecd boot that displays "no signal" on my monitor every time I click "try ubuntu without installing" (I can't access the crashed livecd filesystem from the livecd because it crashes, so I need to access the livecd log file from my currently installed version of ubuntu 9.10)
[22:14] <kikbguy> Anzenketh, I actually just got your email about this (tulaneadam21@gmail.com)
[22:15] <Anzenketh> What was your bug number?
[22:16] <Anzenketh> I belive I asked if it was just slow to come up or if it did not come up at all it took a good 5-10 minutes for me to have it come up.
[22:16] <kikbguy> Ansenketh, it was bug 528277
[22:17] <stapel> I upgraded from UNR karmic to lucid just now, and when I restarted, it booted into the classic desktop. How do I revert back to the UNR desktop?
[22:18] <Anzenketh> kikbguy: Ya was it just slow to start or did it not start at all.
[22:18] <kikbguy> Oh, I didn't realize it could take 5-10 minutes, I'll try that if you think it might work, but my monitor displays "no signal" immediately after I click "try ubuntu without installing"
[22:19] <kikbguy> It seemed to not start at all, it wasn't like a loading screen or anything, it literally was a blue screen that said "no signal" for 5 minutes
[22:20] <penguin42> 5 minutes?! I'd be pretty surprised if it took 5mins
[22:20] <kikbguy> then I just powered off and started my installed 9.10 version that's installed already
[22:23] <kikbguy> And I'd love to provide a log of the incident, I'm just not sure where to find it (even after reading the ubiquity debug link) in the installed ubuntu 9.10 filesystem for a failed 10.04 alpha 3 boot
[22:23] <charlie-tca> kikbguy: to debug the live cd before the desktop comes up - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCasper
[22:23] <kikbguy> I'll check it out and be right back, thanks charlie-tca
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I get the same monitor turned off bootint the live cd. It takes my system 7-8 minutes to get to gdm and turn the monitor back on
[22:24] <stapel>  I upgraded from UNR karmic to lucid just now, and when I restarted, it booted into the classic desktop. How do I revert back to the UNR desktop?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Take a look at bug 527832
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Sorry, stapel not you
[22:26] <stapel> np
[22:26] <kikbguy> will do brb
[22:28] <kikbguy> yeah, that's the precise error I have with my nvidia card, I'll try waiting 10 minutes and see if I can get in, but it definetly seems to veer from the avg ubuntu boot experience
[22:29] <stapel> Is anyone here on UNR Lucid?
[22:29] <kikbguy> Thanks for the suggestions, I'll be back in about 10 minutes
[22:36] <stapel> tea anyone?
[22:37] <Lord-Readman> hellp
[22:37] <Lord-Readman> hello*
[22:38] <Lord-Readman> is anyone here, I am trying to update a package on launchpad for lucid
[22:42] <mazda01> using devede in lucid, the iso created doesn't contain an AUDIO_TS folder, shouldn't it to have a proper dvd structure iso?
[22:50] <Andre_Gondim> I saw one problem in Alpha 3 live CD when I tried install in pt_BR
[22:53] <kikbguy> Okay, just tried to wait 10-15 minutes and it still didn't load ubuntu after displaying "no signal" on my monitor after clicking "try ubuntu without installing" on the lucid alpha 3 live cd
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Well, that sucks
[22:54] <charlie-tca> At least mine will turn back on
[22:54] <kikbguy> ,n idea how to submit the log file?
[22:55] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why I got to the tty2 xserver slot when I boot Lucid alpha 3? :S
[22:55] <charlie-tca> That debug page gives explanation to submit it using a usb drive
[22:55] <kikbguy> (meant to say) word, any idea how to submit the log file
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Oh, you can't see the screen to save it, huh
[22:56] <kikbguy> I don't have a usb drive, I guess I'm out of luck
[22:56] <BUGabundo> YAY
[22:56] <BUGabundo> mono breakage
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Did you try adding debug to the menu line?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> and removing splash and quiet?
[22:56] <melodie_> hi here !
[22:56] <kikbguy> charlie-tca, not sure how I would do that
[22:57] <kikbguy> I'm basically a noob with linux/ubuntu
[22:57] <charlie-tca> hit f6 at the menu, backspace to remove quiet and splash, then type in debug=
[22:57] <melodie_> I may have a bug to report, about alpha3, this one must have shown ? (in vbox) http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/378579
[22:57] <charlie-tca> and hit enter
[22:58] <melodie_> "The problem cannot be reported:
[22:58] <melodie_> You have some obsolete package versions installed."
[22:58] <melodie_> ...
[22:58] <melodie_> :)
[22:58] <charlie-tca> melodie_: yup
[22:58] <kikbguy> charlie, thanks, will try that
[22:58] <Oxymoron> I guess I have to wait for the Beta 1 then ...
[22:58] <kikbguy> brb
[22:58] <melodie_> charlie-tca, thanks
[22:58] <charlie-tca> melodie_: If you update and still have that, you can report it using manual reporting, but it is harder
[22:58] <melodie_> good night, see you ! o/
[22:59] <melodie_> charlie-tca, all right, I'll see that next time (maybe tomorrow)
[22:59] <charlie-tca> good luck
[22:59] <melodie_> bye ! :)
[22:59] <melodie_> thanks ! ^^
[23:06] <DebianUT> with Alpha3 Totem doesn't ask me if I want to downlod the codecs if I open a .mp3, RithmBox does
[23:08] <kikbguy> charlie, that F6, backspace, debug= method didn't work either.  It's weird that ubuntu worked well before lucid alpha 3 and now it doesn't work at all on my computer
[23:09] <kikbguy> thanks for the help though
[23:09] <charlie-tca> sorry. Maybe a daily will work soon, though.
[23:12] <binarylooks> ho do I get ubuntuone in kubuntu lucid? I installed ubuntuone-client-gnome, but there is no executable for that on the terminal?
[23:12] <binarylooks> ubuntuone-preferences does nothing
[23:13] <jpds> binarylooks: Tried https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client-kde ?
[23:13] <binarylooks> jpds: is that official now?
[23:13] <jpds> binarylooks: No.
[23:14] <binarylooks> i remember an apachelogger magic thing
[23:14] <jpds> binarylooks: That is it.
[23:14] <jpds> binarylooks: However, U1 runs as /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon here.
[23:14] <binarylooks> hmmmm. do ubuntu one support for kubuntu in lucid?
[23:14] <binarylooks> jpds: kde?
[23:14] <jpds> No. Plain Ubuntu.
[23:15] <binarylooks> it worked in karmic under kde. not good
[23:20] <kikbguy> alright, thanks again charlie, later guys
[23:28] <BUGabundo> one of 3 is the correct
[23:28] <BUGabundo> either my new pioneer TV sucks as lcd monitor
[23:28] <BUGabundo> my GPU sucks outputing VGA to a large screen
[23:28] <BUGabundo> or nvidia BLOB is lame as hell :(
[23:29] <high-rez> Probably #1
[23:29] <high-rez> In my experience LCD TVs return broken EDID info all the time.
[23:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What is the native res of the TV ?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> LOLOL nice nick high-rez
[23:29] <BUGabundo> the image is SUPER flacky
[23:29] <BUGabundo> always shacking
[23:29] <BUGabundo> off center too
[23:30] <BUGabundo> like 20 px to the right
[23:30] <penguin42> yeuch
[23:30] <BUGabundo> 195.36.03
[23:31] <high-rez> I'd look at Xorg.0.log or whatever its called - and see if its detecting EDID info correctly.
[23:31] <penguin42> hmm quite a lot of updates today
[23:32] <BUGabundo> worse part is: tv says : 1358x760, and nvidia settings allows up to 1360x768
[23:32] <penguin42> '1358' ?!!!!
[23:32] <BUGabundo> meaning I get the left part cut off if I use anything above 1024
[23:32] <penguin42> what type of weirdo res is that
[23:33] <BUGabundo> sorry
[23:33] <BUGabundo> 1360
[23:34] <high-rez> I'd try to force resolutions in xorg.conf and try different modelines.
[23:35] <high-rez> My Toshiba provided horribly broken information.
[23:35] <BUGabundo> $ xrandr --verbose | pastebinit
[23:35] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384746/
[23:36] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/384748/
[23:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: You could add a resolution using xrandr --admode
[23:53] <Bookman> I just did an update a few moments ago and now Ubuntu One will not start.  I get: Failed to execute child process "ubuntuone-client-applet" (No such file or directory)
[23:53] <abe3k> ok, so my eeepc 904, went to sleep by itself, I tried to wake it up, but after entering the password it showed me checking... and didn't do anything after that, so I decided to ctrl+alt+backspace it and logged in, later on the fans of the netbook went crazy so I looked in htop and found out that gnome-keyring-daemon was using 89% cpu so I killed it, what went wrong there guys ?
[23:56] <Oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why I got to the tty2 xserver slot when I boot Lucid alpha 3? :S
[23:57] <abe3k> echo echo echo ...
[23:57] <high-rez> (pong pong pong)
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Which slot would you like?
[23:57] <Oxymoron> charlie-tca: tty7 I guess as it usually uses?
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Oh, that's that server bug, isn't it. Boots to a blinking cursor only?
[23:57] <setuid> Anyone notice that PM/acpi/suspend is broken since last night's updates?
[23:58] <abe3k> setuid : I think I did
[23:58] <setuid> It was working fine, and then I updated last night to current and now it's not even an option
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Oxymoron: then you have to switch tty's to login?
[23:58] <Oxymoron> charlie-tca: No not really, I can login to a temrinal :)
[23:58] <abe3k> setuid : it asks for the password when I come back, but it keeps loading forever
[23:58] <Oxymoron> charlie-tca: Well I use vbox, I cant do ctrl+alt+f* unfortunatly :(
[23:58] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is using TTY1 for log files?
[23:58] <setuid> abe3k, what asks?
[23:59] <setuid> abe3k, It's not even an available option anymore, suspend is _gone_ in the current packages
[23:59] <setuid> If I do a ctrl-alt-del, the menu that shows up is shutdown/restart, no longer shows hibernate or suspend
[23:59] <Oxymoron> charlie-tca: Well here I use stable Karmic, but would be nice with Lucid in vbox agiain. It worked before todays update and when trying to install nvidia-current xD
[23:59] <abe3k> setuid: my eeepc went to sleep
[23:59] <abe3k> setuid: I have them here
[23:59] <charlie-tca> heh - it might work again then