[00:00] Nitsuga: I'm confused because it was the !multiverse - I know of 'multiverse' but not '!multiverse' [00:00] penguin42: the ! just means there's a factoid about it [00:00] oh got you [00:00] !multiverse [00:00] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [00:00] alright. I'll research it and then poke at the existing factoid sometime this week, I think. [00:01] rww: right, but it can't really be changed, untill Lucid has been released [00:01] rww: unless the change is only for this channel [00:02] it's not in multiverse [00:02] penguin42: Sun Java doesn't exist in Lucid. It /used to/ be in multiverse. [00:03] that's going to screw a lot of people up [00:04] penguin42: things change also Sun no longer exist, well I guess they do, but part of Oracale [00:04] especially since this is LTS (long term release) [00:04] I guess it's a real-world lesson in not relying on closed-source silliness. [00:04] sebsebseb: That's just a name though - why remove the package completely? [00:05] sebsebseb: Java is essential in most businesses for one thing or another and icedtea just doesn't work [00:05] penguin42: rww probably to fix thee open version once for good [00:05] MaximLevitsky-vm: Doing that on an LTS is somewhere between brave and foolhardy [00:05] penguin42: foolhardy??? [00:05] penguin42: and it doesn't work because not all of java was open sourced [00:06] sebsebseb: Dumb [00:06] penguin42: they replaced these parts with new free implemenations [00:06] penguin42: I know what a fool is, but foolhardy that's new to me [00:06] for me [00:06] penguin42: but these parts aren't bug to bug compatable [00:07] sebsebseb: 'Unwisely bold or venturesome; rash. See synonyms at reckless' [00:07] MaximLevitsky-vm: bug to bug hrm, yeah like Internet Explorer [00:07] business intranet apps [00:07] that rely on bugs in Internet Explorer [00:07] sebsebseb: exactly.... [00:07] sebsebseb: No, a lot work fine with Sun java; and things like a lot of SANs and the like need Java to manage them [00:07] that's probably the reason why loads of business's still use Internet Explorer 6 [00:07] however it's daft [00:08] they could have another browser for the actsual web as well, for example Firefox [00:08] penguin42: SANs ? [00:08] I thought hardly anyone used Java anymore, since Flash [00:08] sebsebseb: Storage Area Networks - people use Flash for Fun stuff, they still use Java for management consoles and the like [00:09] I thought Java was mainly still used today for Java applets? [00:09] sebsebseb: that.. would make sense ;P [00:09] how well would a 3d mmorph run in flash compared to java o.O [00:09] mmorpg* [00:09] rww: it seems you were just sarcastic. also I don't really follow Java and where it's used and what not [00:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/420426/comments/35 [00:09] Launchpad bug 420426 in sun-java6 "sun-java6 6b16 update for karmic, hardy and jaunty" [Undecided,Fix released] [00:09] so maybe it'll end up in the partner repo. who knows. [00:10] sebsebseb: Saying that Java is used to run Java applets is somewhat tautological... [00:10] rww: tautological not sure what that means, but I assume your using that word instead of obvious [00:11] anyway wow business's using Java instead of Microsoft junk [00:12] penguin42: MaximLevitsky-vm who uses Ubuntu mainly? Home users that's who [00:13] penguin42: MaximLevitsky-vm How many of these home users want Java? Not many at all, so I guess that issue won't be much of a big deal [00:13] sebsebseb: Many business guys use it [00:13] sebsebseb: I do, and I have too [00:13] sebsebseb: I bet there are home banking systems that use it (I don't know any but I'd bet there are some) [00:13] does lucid's lilo work with software raid1? [00:13] sebsebseb: my uni math assigments are in java applet... [00:13] penguin42: many business's use Ubuntu since when? as far as I know it's still Windows with most of that market, and then for servers it's Debian and Redhat and I guess CentOS, not Ubuntu [00:14] sebsebseb: and yes open java doesn't work well [00:14] sebsebseb: A lot of those admins who maintain the Debian/Redhat systems like to have Ubuntu on their own machine! [00:14] debian can be a beautiful desktop system too >.> [00:15] Ubuntu is probably a pretty good server distro, but Debian, Redhat, and CentOS are much more likely to be used as a server [00:15] jpapertowel: yes Debain can be a good desktop distro as well [00:16] MaximLevitsky-vm: Gnash and Swfdec won't work as good as Flash either, but they are getting there [00:16] MaximLevitsky-vm: Wine won't work as well as real Windows for loads of Windows apps, but it is getting there [00:16] things take time, also as time goes by certain software becomes obsolute [00:16] that reminds me, I should install gnash in Lucid and see how it's going [00:17] although I don't use Flash much any more anyway. I only used it for youtube, and youtube-dl + ffmpeg2ogg does that for me :) [00:17] sebsebseb: icedtea seems to have a much lower success score for me [00:18] penguin42: MaximLevitsky-vm well I assume running Windows java in Wine in a browser their, will work quite well [00:19] sebsebseb: You may as well run Windows if you are going to get that nutty [00:19] penguin42: I would avoide doing stuff like that personalley, but these so called business's who want Java so badly, might do it [00:19] penguin42: as for running real Windows, well virtual machines :D [00:20] sebsebseb: If you put people in that position they just never transition to Linux [00:20] penguin42: which position? [00:20] sebsebseb: Of making it difficult to get their work done [00:22] penguin42: running some apps in Wine isn't a big deal, running a Windows vm, well got to wait for it to boot up [00:22] sebsebseb: We should take this elsewhere, but I've been through these types of scenarious at work in a few companies [00:23] hey, does Alpha 3 come with the new Plymouth boot thing by default? [00:23] penguin42: Having to Wine or Windows virtual machine Java would be sucky though [00:23] avi_: Yes [00:23] okay, and is it enabled by default? Also, can I ensure that my gfx card will be supported? I read somewhere it doesn't like ATI cards. [00:23] penguin42: What I just put is a good ending, so convo over I guess [00:24] avi_: It likes my Radeon card [00:24] avi_: Which one have you got? [00:24] jesus, just installed alpha 3 from mini.iso with minimum possible installation - booted up, -/+ buffers/cache: 575 used [00:25] ATI Radeon HD 2600 [00:25] Its in a 2008 iMac, if it matters. [00:25] avi_: Do you know which chip that is? [00:25] hmm, chip? [00:26] avi_: It seems to be an RV630 - I think the 6's just work (mine is a 7xx chip and that just went in) [00:26] ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro (just checked) [00:26] sounds great! [00:26] Any reason I shouldn't upgrade from 9.10? [00:27] As opposed to making an a3 install cd? [00:27] avi_: Remember it's still Alpha, some things break; it might break really badly and you could lose data - have a good backup and no how to fix things! [00:27] oh upgrade? Oh sure - upgrade seems fine for me - use the do-release-upgrade script [00:28] (or update-manager) [00:28] That's fine, it's just sort of a ubuntu-for-the-hell-of-it thing. [00:28] I dualboot my stable OS X and ubuntu. [00:28] so even if ubuntu fails completely, I'm fine. [00:28] Furthermore my OS X install is regularly backed up, so even if it manages to mess with my OS X partition, I'm safe. :D [00:29] avi_: Well it could take out MacOS on the same drive if it really goes screwy [00:29] That's a scenario that I'm able to combat :D [00:29] hopefully won't have to, but never the less. [00:31] I tried "update-manager -d" in lucid alpha 2 but I don't see a new release. [00:32] Kai_: there is NO new release [00:32] lucid is already the most recent one [00:32] Alpha 3 is out. [00:32] That is what he is referring to. [00:32] how do you update to alpha 3 from alpha 2, then? [00:32] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha3 [00:32] avi_: milestones are NOT releases [00:33] Kai_: as always: updating [00:33] He misspoke then. [00:33] I do updates 4 times a day [00:33] I misspoke, BUGabundo, as avi_ said. [00:33] I didn't see any kind of update. [00:33] Kai_: I do $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [00:33] Okay, I will once Synaptic is done [00:34] Kai_: do you run update manager daily or any other apt frontend? [00:34] done what? [00:34] I run synaptic and the update manager very often [00:34] hmm note the special in there for upgrading from lucid 2 [00:34] BUGabundo: I tried installing gtk2 rgba, but I do not want it [00:34] I think it messed up Firefox and Chrome. [00:34] Kai_: if you already update, what else are you expecting ? [00:34] Flash doesn't work in Chrome anymore and Firefox is dead except for root [00:35] BUGabundo: ? [00:35] all of that WFM [00:35] actually, there was a distribution upgrade yesterday... [00:35] and all the craziness with FF and Chrome happened after that. :O [00:36] this is weird. [00:37] Wait -- no browser flash in Alpha 3? [00:37] open a new Guest Session and test [00:37] avi_: it works in Firefox when I run it as root. [00:37] BUGabundo: okay, I will. [00:37] Be right back. [00:37] flash 64 bits .so from adobe working fine here [00:37] Kai_: NEVER run anything as ROOT , please [00:37] Yeah, seems like a bad idea. [00:37] its not officially supported either [00:37] BUGabundo: It was just for testing once. [00:37] don't really care [00:37] avoid doing it [00:38] no real reason to [00:38] I can't get to a Guest Session... it just does the same thing as when you lock the screen [00:39] purge plymouth [00:39] BUGabundo: actually, those commands you gave me want to remove the packages from the distribution upgrade yesterday! :D [00:39] okay, I will once this is done [00:39] safe-upgrade *should* be fine [00:39] Oh, by the way, what does the {u} after a package name mean? [00:40] uninstall I think [00:40] [a] for adding [00:41] does plymouth require grub 2? [00:41] see you tomorrow! [00:41] avi_: probably [00:42] I just noticed something... [00:42] The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'. [00:42] That happened in Firefox and Banshee. [00:42] The exact same thing. [00:43] {a} is automatically installed, iirc [00:43] I'm guessing it's a problem with gdk (Gdk-ERROR **:) [00:43] okay, what the toast. My filesystem is read-only now. [00:44] eeek. [00:44] Kai_: dmesg [00:44] Kai_: Should tell you why it went read only [00:45] Okay [00:45] sho[ 5317.569155] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 203974939 [00:45] s/sho// [00:45] not a good error depending what is either side [00:46] http://pastebin.com/VyUZFVNk <-- some recent output from dmesg [00:46] Anyone tried Lucid alpha3 in vmware? [00:46] DebainUT: I'm going to in.. 1 hour. [00:46] Kai_: time to fsck.. [00:47] Kai: It sounds like 1) your machine is too hot (see temperatuer throttle) and then something bad happened on the ATA link - I don't know the sata errors well but I'd say that was at the link level on the drive rather than a particular bad sector [00:47] arand: this is happened before, I had to fsck [00:47] Kai: Check your fans/cooling first, then use smartctl -a to see if the drive is OK [00:47] penguin42: Oops. I'm using a laptop, must have blocked the air vent. [00:47] /fan [00:47] penguin42: not installed :( [00:48] I'm going to reboot into my old 9.04 install and fsck from there, be back in a bit [00:48] Ahh! [00:48] arand: fsck is the WRONG thing to do! [00:49] arand: If you have IO errors the first thing to do is to figure out what is wrong with the hardware, fsck can't do that and can make it a LOT worse if the hardware is dodgy [00:49] avi_: I just did, and x crashes constantly [00:50] avi_: gonna try with virtual box [00:50] penguin42: Ok.. well I tend to simply reboot as quickly as possible when I get the ro remount.. [00:50] DebianUT: Wow, I misread. I plan on using Vbox. [00:50] arand: If you get a ro remount it's probably failing hardware and you should fix it - it really shouldn't happen; very very occasionally you hit bugs that cause it [00:50] DebainUT: You're on a mac too I presume? [00:52] avi_: WIndows 7 [00:53] How can you be using VMWare? [00:53] Oh, its not mac only. [00:55] avi_: Is not mac only [00:56] VMWare was on other platforms many years before mac [00:59] OO, it doesn't crash in VBox. [01:01] okay, my filesystem is now unfscked. [01:03] Kai_: penguin42 seems to have a few things to say about how one shouldn't rush for an fsck the first thing.. [01:03] Kai_: So I might've been wrong on that.. [01:03] fsck fixed it [01:03] it seems [01:03] :D [01:04] Yes, but it indicates hardware errors which should be looked over first.. or something like that.. [01:04] the fan isn't blocked anymore :p [01:05] stupid blanket [01:05] Well, if the problem is that obvious I guess, just make sure there's no lasting damage (palimpsest/smartctl) [01:06] Kai_: Yeh I was just saying, always check the hardware/sort stuff out before doing fsck - fsck running on bad hardware can make things worse [01:07] My hardware is fine physically I think [01:08] anyway, time for bed [01:09] bai [01:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlCVrtgxVcI&feature=related [01:16] avi_: in our dreams.. (also: old!) [01:18] Wow, Chrome works again. [01:18] :DD [01:18] BUGabundo is awesomeness. [01:18] Firefox works! :D [01:20] How can i have an LV on my lvm that has a 1 GB FS and fill it with 2.3 GB of data? its /tmp and i used dd ??? Is something wierd here? [01:26] you made a sparse file [01:28] shaggy_: Since it's /tmp, it's also possible that it's mounted on a tmpfs (ie: ramdisk). [01:29] so tmp also ram disk to expand? [01:29] allows* [01:30] It'll use up to 1/2 your RAM; IIRC. [01:30] shaggy_, in my ubutnu /tmp isn't a tmpfs... [01:30] It is in some versions, isn't in others. check using "mount" [01:32] In fact, it'll depend on how much space is free on / [01:33] tmp isnt listed with the mount command ? is that because its lvm? [01:33] lvscan shows it there [01:34] what dd command did you use? [01:34] dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/outfile [01:35] that would simply fill the filesystem entirely, maybe lvm automatically expands the volume [01:36] void^ thats what i wanted to check if it would fill and stop... [01:36] it nevers stops.. [02:32] Why is this channel named ubuntu+1? I've seen someone refer to a version of Lucid by lucid+1. What does that mean? [02:33] vlad003, here is discussion about lucid [02:33] and when lucid is releases, here we will discuse about mad monkey (unofficial joke name :P) [02:34] Mischievous Man? :o [02:36] So it's just the future version of Ubuntu [02:36] but what would the person who said "Lucid+1" mean? [02:37] he said something like: "I'll test it in lucid+1" [02:40] Kai_, it would be a shame if 10.10 is something about man. That would be another excuse to keep the "Human" theme!!! [02:42] i actually like the human gingerbread theme [03:28] If I have 9.10 on my laptop, and I install 10.04 on a separate partition that is already there? [03:28] neezer: is there a "then" to go with that "if"? [03:29] then will it cause pronblems? [03:29] *problems [03:31] do you intend to share /home ? [03:31] I don't think so. [03:32] I'd like to see what it is like fresh install. [03:32] should be fine then [03:34] I have a separate /home partition right now anyways, will that move over to the new one? I would rather it doesn't. That way I know that I won't screw up my install that I have. [03:34] when you install, just choose not to use that extra /home. the standard "put everything in a new partition" option should work fine [03:35] great! thanks [03:38] How do I report bugs for an ubuntu+1 release? There are any special options I need to set in launchpand when creatin the bug report? [03:38] fausto: Type `ubuntu-bug packagenamegoeshere` in the terminal [03:39] that's how you do it for released versions too now. It automatically sends Ubuntu and package version info (amongst other things that you can browse before sending) to Launchpad. [03:40] rww: but I'm not on Lucid at the moment, my wifi isn't working on lucid, so I'm back on my other system (karmic) [03:40] fausto: ubuntu-bug should be able to generate a file which you can manually copy via sneakernet, then upload using that other machine [03:40] fausto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20when%20off-line [03:40] fausto: the assumption on any bug report is that it is against the current development version. "fix released" always means "in the current development version." getting a bug fixed in an already-released version actually requires setting an additional flag on the report [03:41] I just did a check, and my spare partition is only 12.8 GB, is that enough to install and use 10.04? or would you recommend more [03:41] neezer: thats fine [03:41] neezer: just dont try to torrent 15GB of music ;) [03:42] maco2, I don't think I'll be doing much of that at all...just want to check things out. Any idea if skype will work with it? I have been having lots of problems with skype and 9.10. [03:43] i havent tried [03:43] well then I guess it will be an adventure! [03:43] skype works fine with /current/ 10.04 [03:44] I uploaded the last bits to fix the PA side prior to Alpha 3, and if you update you'll get the capture-side mute fixes [03:45] hmmm, thanks crimsun. [03:47] how do I report a bug if I'm not sure which package contains the problem? E.G. gstreamer-properties (Multimidia Systems Selector) is missing an important option of video device in Lucid, but I believe the bug is somewhere in the graphics stack and not in gstreamer-properties, so how should I report it? [03:48] if you think its in X, use the "xorg" package and someone who knows X will triage it into the right sub-package [03:49] fausto: or, ubuntu-bug -f [03:49] then choose Display [03:52] ooo, shiny. I didn't know about that. [03:53] fausto: What is the problem? It's possible that it's easily solvable. [03:58] RAOF: the problem is that gstreamer-properties doesn't list "ATI Radeon Video Overlay" as an option anymore and with the only remaining option "Radeon Textured Video" I can't play fullscreen videos [04:00] Off the top of my head, I'd guess that the problem is that the video overlay is not implemented with KMS. And there's a subsidiary problem there - you can't play fullscreen video with the textured video adapter? [04:01] That should be faster/higher quality/better/involve more gold bars than the overlay, IIUC. [04:02] RAOF: my card is not fast enough to play fullscreen with textured video, it runs slow and with a lot of tearing [04:03] I guess I'll try to disable KMS to see if it resolves the problem [04:04] You might lose 3D if you do that. Graphics drivers suck. :) [04:06] by lose you mean even worse than I have now? my card is of the radeon r3xx family and I've been sufering without proper 3d since the ati droped support for it on the proprietary driver [04:08] I think you might have to define “proper” more thoroughly. My understanding was that r300s should get perfectly adequate 3D out of the free driver. [04:08] Of course, installing fglrx will *break* 3D for any other driver, so if you've got remnants of that installed it might be your problem. [04:10] the free driver doesn't support opengl2.0 and is one order of magnitude slower than the proprietary (I had to stop playing computer games :-( [04:10] and I don't have any fglrx installed I did a clean lucid install from the live cd [04:12] but lets forget about 3d, I gave up hopes on 3D a long time ago and I know I'll never be able to use it again untill I change my hardware. My problem now is that in karmic I can play videos fullscreen without tearing using video overlay, but this is not an option anymore in lucid, so: How can I disable KMS? [04:13] Add radeon.modeset=0 to your kernel command line, I think. [04:14] thanks, I'll try it. I'll be back in 30min [04:32] what's the current kernel version for lucid? [04:33] hello, does any one have this problem when you login you see black screen with the mouse only and you need to switch to tty then to X by f7 for it to work [04:35] can some on test the battery icon on clear-look theme [04:42] Ello... Have a small problem with lucid [04:43] hi ell [04:43] what is the problem [04:44] after ~5minutes of idle cpu is going to the sl33p mode. And when i'm trying to unlock it - all gdm keyholder is stucking and making 100% cpu usage [04:44] =) [04:46] have waited for 20 minutes - still stucked... then i've killed it, stopped gdm, and started it again. only that helps. [04:47] and that helps only once. At the next time there is no chance to start gdm after it has been stopped [04:47] that's happening every time :P [04:48] any ideas what could I do? [04:50] could -> should [04:50] :P [04:51] ell, disable the lock screen feature for now, it's know bug [04:51] where to do that> [04:51] ? [04:51] bug 524860 [04:51] Launchpad bug 524860 in gnome-keyring "starts eating cpu when trying to unlock screen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524860 [04:52] thx for halp === tester01_ is now known as uaa === uaa is now known as Guest30244 [04:56] ell, did you see the bug 524860 [04:56] Launchpad bug 524860 in gnome-keyring "starts eating cpu when trying to unlock screen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524860 === Guest30244 is now known as damascene [05:04] Hey guys, I just updated to Aplha3, and now I can't get Ubuntu out of Low Graphics Mode [05:05] Im running NVIDIA and even installed the latest drivers: nvidia-glx-195 [05:06] mjs7231: How did you install those drivers? [05:08] I used the PPA: http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/nvidia/ubuntu [05:08] :( [05:08] My /etc/X11/xorg.conf is shown here: http://nvidia.pastebin.com/eFQ4R5kB [05:09] and the XORG error I get is something like "Screens found, but none usable" [05:10] There's been a big change in the way the nvidia drivers are installed in Lucid; I don't think any of the PPAs have got this right. [05:10] Thus, I think all of the nvidia PPAs are currently broken. [05:10] ok, thats good to know. :) [05:11] I also tried the recomended driver in the Hardware Drivers menu item.. but same thing.. [05:11] That would have been debuggable :) [05:12] From what you're saying, it sounds like I might just need to wait a few days for things to hash out a bit? [05:12] I'm not even sure if you'll be able to cleanly remove the PPA packages. Failing anything else, try removing them, removing the PPA from your sources, and then reinstalling all the relevant packages: “sudo aptitude reinstall ~nmesa ~nlibgl1 ~nxorg ~nxserver ~nnvidia” [05:12] ok [05:12] Oh, the drivers installed through Hardware Drivers should work (and should have been working for a while. [05:14] remove nvidia-195-kernel-source nvidia-195-libvdpau-dev nvidia-96-modaliases nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-glx-195 nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-settings :) [05:15] whats that tilda mean in the install command? [05:15] RAOF, Just FYI.. I was running fine until todays update on Lucid. [05:15] Match by. And the 'n' means “name” [05:15] thanks [05:16] So that's “reinstall all the packages whose names contain mesa, libgl1, xorg, xserver, or nvidia” [05:16] OMG!! [05:16] I still ahd that PPA in there.. [05:16] its going to install all the nvidia drivers! :-P [05:17] ohh god, what did I do.. :) [05:17] lol.. this is great. [05:18] im afraid to ctrl+c this in the middle of installing.. [05:19] ok.. [05:19] im going to reboot and see if this thing even boots now. :) [05:22] does any one have a laptop here? [05:23] Hey RAOF, Its working now! :) [05:23] Thanks alot. [05:24] ok, time for bed. :) [05:24] gnight [05:24] and thanks again! :) [05:32] * Anzenketh is liking the way lucid is looking now [05:32] which kernel will lucid use?2.5.33? [05:32] I just shut down lucid hold on I will let you know [05:33] some bastard upgraded thunderbird to 3 ;) [05:33] must be the best ubuntu release ever [05:33] it's LTS [05:33] It has to be good [05:33] It is a LTS version [05:33] I hope so ... b/c 9.10 freezes sporadically on me [05:34] i had to upgrade to 2.6.32.x to stop all the freezes [05:34] git__: your enviroment would be excelent to run a test in [05:34] Have you thought about testing alpha in a Live enviroment [05:34] tomorrow, i'll d/l lucid alpha 3 [05:34] live as in production? ... not quite there yet :P [05:35] No live as in live cd [05:35] I am running mine in a vm [05:35] Lucid uses 2.6.32.14 currently [05:36] I would not want to run alpha as my main system ewww [05:36] However it is quite stable maby. [05:36] now,google earth and gnote suck [05:40] I'm running openbox and nm-applet can no longer get my wpa key from the keyring daemon, any help in trouble shooting this one? Where do I look first? [05:41] let me dig out a bug report [05:42] SomeoneE1se: what version are you running? [05:42] Guess he did not want the answer [05:43] sorry my keyboard froze, what version of what ubuntu? The karmic alpha, I just apt-get update/dist-upgrade not an hour ago [05:45] I missed anything post that question... also I was going to file a bug report but I hate submitting bugs with, "it doesn't work, I don't know why, sorry!" [05:48] awww all my support went away :( sad [05:48] Nope [05:48] Yes what version of ubuntu are you using? [05:48] karmic alpha [05:48] karmic alpha? [05:48] the install it about 2 weeks old however apt-get dist-upgrade is <1h old [05:49] what's that? [05:49] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha5 [05:49] this one [05:49] debugging with syskey [05:50] even if your filesystem freezes on you, you can still get keyboard input [05:50] Ahh ok [05:51] I'm sorry I really fucked it up [05:51] There is a bug report open on this issue [05:51] I'm on the 10.4 alpha [05:51] Is this your production system? [05:51] Ahh [05:51] yes and no [05:51] I have another system but yes this is the main system I use right now [05:51] Ok so you are helping by testing [05:52] sure we can go with that [05:52] trying to at least [05:52] Let me look up a bug report I was working on [05:53] SomeoneE1se: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527313 [05:53] Launchpad bug 527313 in network-manager "after last update the network manager does not connect to wireless network" [Undecided,Incomplete] [05:54] See if the details are the same for you if so mark yourself as having a issue [05:54] And post a comment so I can mark as confirmed. [05:55] no I can still connect, the problem is that it doesn't talk with the keyring daemon [05:55] so it prompts me for a wpa key everytime is connects to a network [05:56] Oh that issue [05:56]