[00:05] cjwatson: But doesn't this also apply to /etc/init/*.conf as well? Then you would have to define these as Conffiles as well; Or else they will get overwritten on upgrades.. And then you never will recieve new versions of initscripts from the package maintainers? [00:09] cjwatson: As I see it, there is a very good reason for separating configuration and functionality.. The existing (well, old) system of initscripts and /etc/default/ are written to allow for a certain degree of customization/configuration wich is maintainable over time. RH does the same with its /etc/sysconfig/ .. [00:10] baffle: but they are conffiles ... [00:10] yeah, the question is at what point the configuration becomes simple enough that it isn't worth the added complexity of separate files [00:11] upstart jobs are sort of on the edge of that [00:11] init scripts are clearly not [00:12] anyway, this isn't something I decided - if you want to debate it, better wait until Keybuk is around. :-) [00:13] cjwatson: I'm just trying to understand if it is intentional or not. :-) And if it is, trying to think if it is a good idea.. === vinny_the_CHIN is now known as mtx_init === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr|away [01:32] kees: bug 528155 [01:32] Launchpad bug 528155 in linux "needs a breaks: clause for lvm2 versions in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528155 [01:53] I wonder, how btrfs would go on /dev/fd0 [01:54] lifeless: is that even enough space to store the metadata? [01:54] isn't the first 1.0MiB of the ondisk format reserved for metadata explicitly? [01:55] no idea [02:05] lifeless: you still have a floppy drive? ;) [02:10] zul: on this server, yes. [02:20] TheMuso: oh; who's in this testing group? :) [02:21] slangasek, is there a way from a script on a user's system to determine if the system is running a development version or an official release? [02:21] baffle: /etc/default> note that if you have a file left around as an obsolete conffile, that's probably a bug in the owning package for not cleaning it up properly [02:22] bryceh: lsb_release -d? [02:22] aha! [03:33] Is there a way to get a unified change history of version migration into Lucid (particularly for the last fortnight)? [03:35] That is, something like the "news" section of http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mg.html, but for a distro rather than for a package. [03:41] twb: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Lucid-changes [03:41] like that? [03:41] * twb looks [03:41] its actually worth subscribing too...you will get a lot of emails, but you will see all of the work going on, and you will find new packages and stuff that you may not have known about before [03:42] FSVO subscribe = turn it on in my gmane feed :-P [03:43] It's also aggregated as an RSS feed, if you prefer (I do). [03:43] RAOF: bah, RSS is for people too young to have a .newsrc [03:46] I don't have .newsrc, but I have .newsbeuter/config, does that make me to young? [03:46] nixternal: You definitely aren't too young. [03:46] I'm unsure of the exact topic, but that's a safe bet. [03:46] younger than you! [03:48] Not in years of FOSS experience. [03:49] BTW, younger than me doesn't help at all if you're shooting for "not old". [03:49] You're young if you never got your sleeve caught in a disk drive :-) [03:50] * StevenK never managed to do that [03:50] You're young if you never had to sort a dropped deck of punch cards. [03:50] Yeah [03:53] pfft, disk drives, how about getting stitches from a magnetic disk on a Univac 90/60 or 90/70, can't remember, when I worked at Unisys in high school? [03:53] ScottK: good, I never had to sort the punch cards I dropped, so I am young according to your last statement...woohoo I win! [03:54] nixternal: If you're looking for excuses to call yourself young, you aren't. [03:54] ScottK: he drinks like a young'n [03:55] pfft, I put a young'n to shame! [03:55] fogeys all ya [03:55] Get off my lawn.... [03:55] dude, you are going bald, I can at least say I am not [03:55] hahahaha [03:55] * maco2 notes ScottK could be her dad [03:55] nixternal: who me? [03:55] yeah you [03:55] every event your hair is thinner and thinner [03:55] nixternal: he's been balding since high school, iirc [03:55] maco2: you realize that might be taken as a criticism of your mom [03:55] booyah! [03:55] nixternal: that statement only works on people who actually care about their baldness. :-) [03:55] hahah [03:56] nixternal: Maybe you aren't the only one experiencing denial. [03:56] twb: heh, i meant he was old enough [03:56] I shave my head now, so I don't care about baldness either [03:56] ScottK: no denial here, I am losing hair too :) [03:56] just not as fast as crimsun over there [03:56] and you can't blame it on the snow! [03:56] nixternal: calling crimsun old doesnt work. he responds "and in the culture of my ancestors, being old is a thing to be proud of, so HA!" [03:56] * RAOF has a glorious head of flowing hair. :P [03:56] nixternal: Hair isn't what you're in denial over. [03:56] crimsun: do you wax it, too, so the glare annoys passing motorists? [03:57] boom tish [03:57] ScottK: shush :D [03:57] crimsun: look! a local IP! [03:57] wow, today has been a quiet inbox day, only 81 emails thus far..and I am to lazy to sort them right now [03:58] nixternal: you know anything about .sip files? [03:59] funny you should ask, check kubuntu-devel :) [04:00] good timing, eh? [04:00] nixternal: what does KDE have to do with VOIP? [04:00] twb: .sip is the extension for c++-to-python bindings, afaict [04:00] twb: Different sip. [04:00] not that kind of sip :) [04:00] Silly qt [04:00] watch it now [04:01] you are surrounded by qt/kde devs right about now :) [04:01] Eh, I don't even run X, so I'm not worried. [04:01] well well, Richard Stallman is in the channel! [04:01] ;p [04:02] * maco2 is excited to have written something with pykde that actually runs [04:03] nixternal: nah, RMS runs off a Yeelong, not an Eee PC. [04:03] Running is good. [04:03] i wrote a BSOD with pykde :) [04:03] http://www.nixternal.com/files/bsod.png [04:03] ScottK: "if it compiles, it's great; if it boots, it's perfect" [04:04] If it runs, ship it. [04:04] ScottK: the trick was, i had to not use pykde4 for phonon and instead just use normal pyqt4 bindings for that. and so now i'm looking at these sip files trying to figure out how to fix them such that pykde is slightly less broken [04:05] from what crimsun and seele say, i have the impression i'll be needing to try to fix pykde4 a few more times === bladernr|away is now known as bladernr_ === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr|away === bladernr|away is now known as bladernr-away === edson is now known as ecanto === bladernr-away is now known as bladernr-afk === bladernr-afk is now known as bladernr-lunch === bladernr-lunch is now known as bladernr-away [05:50] ScottK: boost-defaults is settled at 1.40 for lucid, right? [05:50] slangasek: As far as I'm concerned, yes. [05:51] Debian may move to a later version due to freeze getting delayed, but that shouldn't change what we do for Lucid. [05:55] * slangasek nods [06:19] you know those drug fact sheets... read those before taking the meds [06:20] because sometimes the drugs mess with your brain and you don't read them clearly enough and then you have issues, heh [06:20] * ccheney will probably have to take off tomorrow and go back in to the doctor, the drug he was given is causing one of those immediately discontinue use side effects :-\ [06:44] ccheney: "Discontinue use if experiencing the urge to license software with the CDL" ? [06:44] that one? [06:54] lucent: no, bad CNS effects, etc [06:55] and my wife claims more agitation than usual, heh [06:55] which is a symptom listed [06:55] and muscle pain :-\ [06:56] feels like i really overdid it in the gym without barely walking around [06:56] the part i'm most worried about the CNS issues with my right wrist [06:57] Central Nervous System? [06:57] twb: yea [06:57] ccheney: and seriously, I hope you are feeling better soon. [06:57] apparently some of the symptoms can end up being permanent if you are unlucky [06:58] the drug is ciprofloxacin (antibiotic) [06:59] lucent: i'm sure i will be ok, but the info about the drug online seems a bit scary [07:02] yah [07:03] * ccheney heads off to bed, ttyl [07:03] do yourself and your CNS a favor, relax with some music and a book [07:03] yea typing in my present condition is probably not too good an idea, heh [07:19] ccheney:you should be okay with the cipro.... the only common "yikes help!!" side effect you should watch out for is swelling/tender tendons / painful joints.... [07:19] (not a doctor, but have been on cipro before and had the adverse reaction) [07:20] See, I'm "old school". [07:21] My view is broadly that if you get sick, you ought to bloody well be sick, not try to weasel out of it with drugs [07:23] unless they are illegal drugs [07:24] nixternal: that's just economics [07:24] hahahahaha [07:25] black market baby [07:25] Having said that, I do take a lot of capsaicin and caffeine. [07:25] But more for recreation than medical reasons. [07:26] I don't take anything, as there is enough smog here in chicago to give you a great buzz [07:28] Heh, like London in `52. [07:39] twb: yeah, I've got a degenerative connective tissue disorder, and I've seen the brink of death before and happily submit to my fancy schmancy genetically engineered medicine :) [07:40] I've been hospitalized with asthma a few times, but I doubt that really counts. [07:41] I don't feel one really gains anything from the "hmm let's wait and see" approach... [07:41] I don't know the statistics off the top of my head for how many people per year die from sepsis due to bacterial infection going into the bloodstream... but I have a feeling it's not a pretty number [07:41] but anyway, totally offtopic for this channel! [07:42] I bet it's smaller than the number killed in auto accidents [07:42] At least in the first world [07:42] granted, yes. [07:42] but preventable deaths are preventable deaths IMO [07:42] every one counts. [07:42] You could prevent auto accidents by removing all the autos :-P [07:43] now that's not as practical as a bit of levaquin love, is it? :) [07:43] (or at least a trip to the doc for a blood culture) [07:43] NFI, I'm not a materials scientist. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === xeros2 is now known as xeros [08:17] good morning [08:18] hey dholbach [08:18] hola mvo! [08:21] hmm, my system started to massively misbehave since the last upgrade [08:21] hi [08:23] while i have an 8.9second boot (http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/osiris-lucid-20100226-4.png) i seem to end up at the wrong console (X cursor sits on black screen) switching consoles gets me to a running desktop with a keyring question waiting for input ... [08:23] if i put in the PW i get dropped back to gdm [08:24] ogra: known lucid issue [08:25] (Re wrong tty by default) [08:25] ah, k [08:25] I don't have the ticket number handy, sorry [08:25] for the keyring i thought there was an upload though [08:25] I don't use GUIs, so I can't help you with the other part. You probably want to ask #ubuntu about it. [08:26] lol [08:26] surely not :) [08:27] but thanks for the hint :) [08:36] seb128, morning [08:36] hi ogra [08:37] seb128, did you expect all keyring issues to be fixed with your last upload ? (on i386 that is) [08:37] ogra: no [08:37] seems i have a keyring prompt that kills my X session after entering the PW (just upgraded) [08:37] ok [08:37] I don't expect any issue to be fixed out of the "don't ask to create a keyring" [08:38] you get x crashing on enter [08:38] ah, good, then i'll file a new bug after next reboot [08:38] seems rather this plymouth issue [08:38] yep [08:38] yeah, i also end up on the worng tty it seems [08:38] uninstall plymouth [08:39] will do (cant reboot atm to verify though) [08:39] at least i got an 8.9 sec boot now ;) [08:39] nice === leoquant is now known as soonerorlater [08:49] cjwatson, hi [08:49] cjwatson, I opened bug #528290 about the segfault [08:49] Launchpad bug 528290 in ubiquity "crashes after the installation summary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528290 [08:50] it doesn't have too much detail for the moment but I will try to get some later [08:50] seems I've been lucky yesterday to get my install done [08:50] it keeps crashing again since === soonerorlater is now known as leoquant === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [09:19] cjwatson: followup to #526405 it's still broken :/ [09:31] what's the proper conduct for reopening a bug? i opened one, there was a patch and it was marked as fixed, but a new bug appeared on the same topic. should i change from fix released to new? or just get out of Dodge [09:35] is it a new bug, or the same bug? [09:42] same bug, more or less [09:49] Ixan: if you're kriberg on Launchpad, then from your comment on that bug, it would be best to open a new one [09:49] * cjwatson prefers not to have a bug morph between crash causes === psurbhi is now known as csurbhi === Knightlust is now known as Igorots === TeTeT_ is now known as TeTeT === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:11] could I get another pair of eyes on http://paste.ubuntu.com/384362/ - does that look reasonable? [13:13] the motivation seems OK to me and your control fields do what you say on the tin^Wchangelog [13:14] cjwatson, ev: does running ubiquity from an install work correctly? [13:14] I'm think it will be easier to install debug packages, valgrind etc on an install [13:16] definitely not guaranteed [13:16] seb128: running ubiquity from an install wont work as you don't have /rofs (the aufs read-only mount of the squashfs) [13:16] the partitioner in particular is likely to have trouble, and it will feel entitled to modify bits of configuration in /etc [13:16] cjwatson: thanks [13:16] oh and that [13:16] you could try a live image on a usb stick with persistence? [13:17] "with persistence"? [13:19] usb-creator has a slider for how much space on the stick you want to allocate as persistent storage, in other words space for work done while in the live session that won't be discarded on reboot [13:21] oh ok, thanks [13:21] the key I'm using is a 8G one [13:21] so I can easily do that ;-) [13:27] doko, thank you very much for the oprofile upload [13:27] cjwatson, I don't know if that's luck but I didn't get the crash this time after moving the slideshow dir away [13:28] I was wondering if it might be related to the fact that the slideshow's currently broken [13:28] ev is fixing that by way of moving to po4a [13:28] still weird that it crashes [13:28] but I don't know how the slideshow thing is working [13:28] and it could mess up the ubiquity state by being broken [13:29] it uses python-webkit [13:30] so I can believe that that could crash [13:30] statik: still in binary NEW [13:30] would the slideshow crashing take ubiquity down with it? [13:31] it's in the same process, so yes [13:33] cjwatson, ok, it seems to be something with the slideshow, I get the crash every time and didn't get it 3 times in a row without slideshow [13:33] I put the slideshow back and it's crashing again [13:33] ok, excellent, so the fact that the slideshow is currently known to be broken is probably implicated [13:34] don't know if you noticed, but there's a slideshow parse error in the debug log [13:34] yes I did [13:34] that's what made me want to try without it [13:34] which is because slides/index.html got flattened into one line by po2html, complete with JavaScript single-line comments [13:34] which of course didn't work very well :) [13:34] is there somewhere where I can download a correct index? [13:35] just to see if replacing this one makes it not crash [13:35] you can edit it and search for //, and do the obvious thing to unfold the line breaks [13:35] ok, makes sense ;-) [13:35] * seb128 tries [13:35] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu_15_all.deb [13:36] ev: even easier ;-) [13:36] thanks [13:36] sure thing [13:36] I'll be uploading something similar to that momentarily [13:43] Hmm. Why is the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-mark-sync package not in lucid? [13:44] ion: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com/msg06320.html may be relevant to your interests [13:45] I guess i should just get it to Debian. [13:45] Thanks for the link [13:54] ion: what is the problem with apt/aptitude? they should share the same db, at least they did in the past === Igorots is now known as Knightlust === bladernr-away is now known as bladernr_ [14:05] mvo: They have switched to the same db since, but what i personally really want is to sync the debfoster db to the apt/aptitude one, since they don’t offer debfoster’s functionality. I’ve been thinking of perhaps implementing something like debfoster in aptitude, but so far it’s just an idea. [14:05] ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:33] ev, cjwatson: the new slideshow version doesn't fix the crash [14:34] bah [14:35] seb128: what happens when you run the following: /usr/lib/webkit-1.0-2/libexec/GtkLauncher "file:///usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow/slides/index.html" [14:36] seb128: or if you've selected a locale, /usr/lib/webkit-1.0-2/libexec/GtkLauncher "file:///usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow/slides/index.html#locale=fr" [14:36] errr [14:36] /usr/lib/webkit-1.0-2/libexec/GtkLauncher "file:///usr/share/ubiquity-slideshow/slides/index.html#?locale=fr" [14:36] ev: segfaulty [14:37] in the same function than ubiquity [14:37] same stacktrace [14:37] ev: so I guess iz webkit bog [14:37] not ubiquity [14:37] cjwatson, ^ [14:37] hooray (sort of) [14:37] that will make it much easier to debug, let me see if it crashes on my work machine too [14:38] in which case I can talk to the webkit guys [14:40] seb128: cool, thanks [14:41] $ /usr/lib/webkit-1.0-2/libexec/GtkLauncher [14:41] Erreur de segmentation (core dumped) [14:41] go webkit go [14:47] cjwatson, ev: ok, webkit guys have been useful [14:47] seems to be bug #413994 [14:47] Launchpad bug 413994 in enchant "enchant zemberek backend cause sylpheed crash" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413994 [14:47] or similar issue [14:48] I verify on ubiquity now [14:48] but that fixed /usr/lib/webkit-1.0-2/libexec/GtkLauncher crashing [14:48] that = moving zemberek.so away [14:52] ah === al-maisan_ is now known as al-maisan [14:56] cjwatson, ev: ok, seems to be that indeed, ubiquity stopped crashing too [14:56] cjwatson, ev: I will fix enchant [14:56] hooray! [14:56] seb128: thanks for tracking that down [14:56] where "fix" there seems to be "stop using zemberek which is known to be broken" [14:57] ev: np [14:57] I recall seeing bugs about zemberek brokenness in the past [14:58] the one I just pointed is there for a while [14:58] seb128: I think I hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/526796 -- do you need input on it or is it a well-known issue ? [14:58] Launchpad bug 526796 in gnome-panel "No sound applet on the gnome panel" [Low,Incomplete] [14:58] ttx, do you have an indicator applet on your gnome-panel? [14:58] seb128: yes [14:58] ie the one with the messaging icon [14:59] ttx, are you sure? [14:59] * ogra wonders if that happens to people that dont use update-manager [14:59] seb128: I can screenshot it if you want to check :) [14:59] ttx, you have the messaging menu which lists empathy, gwibber, etc [14:59] ttx, yes please ;-) [14:59] seb128: lists empathy, evolution [14:59] ttx, is indicator-sound installed? [15:00] seb128: no [15:00] ttx, ok then that's your issue [15:01] ogra: it's a recommend so it should not [15:01] ogra: if you don't turn recommends off... [15:01] seb128: it's a lucid alpha2 install, fwiw [15:01] ttx, did you upgrade using update-manager? [15:01] seb128: no, installed lucid alpha2 then apt-get dist-upgrade every 2-3 days [15:02] I blame apt then, check with mvo [15:02] seb128: ok :) [15:02] indicator-applet recommends indicator-sound [15:02] ttx: how/when did you upgrade? [15:02] and we install recommends by default [15:02] mvo, will upgrading a package pulls in new recommends? [15:03] mvo: installed from alpha2 ISO, then apt-get dist-upgrade every 2-3 days [15:03] mvo, like indicator-applet got a recommends on indicator-sound [15:05] fwiw "sudo apt-get install --reinstall indicator-applet" doesn't get me indicator-sound, I have to install it manually. [15:06] * ttx restarts session to check fix [15:07] seb128: ok, it's back, thanks. Will comment on the bug [15:11] ttx: if you can attach your terminal log and your apt history, that would be nice (both in /var/log/apt/) [15:14] mvo: done [15:16] ttx: what is the bugnumber? [15:16] mvo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/526796 [15:16] Launchpad bug 526796 in gnome-panel "No sound applet on the gnome panel" [Low,Incomplete] [15:19] thanks [15:28] salut sabdfl [15:28] hi emgent [15:30] seb128: in the same vein, my rhythmbox status icon also disappeared recently (when I run RB, I have no icon up there anymore) -- is it expected ? [15:36] ttx, do you have rhythmbox-plugins installed ? [15:36] ogra: apparently not. Purging/Installing rhythmbox pulls it in, though. [15:37] :) [15:37] you server guys ... [15:37] use update-manager :) it saves the world ! [15:37] ogra: I'll consider it :) [15:38] ttx: there is also sudo apt-get install --fix-policy [15:38] ttx: that should give you missind recommends [15:38] mvo: ah thanks, that's the one I couldn't remember :) [15:38] its not exactly obvious ... [15:38] sounds like something for computer-janitor [15:39] * ttx realizes he is missing 23 packages [15:43] mvo, are new recommends meant to be auto pulled in? [15:43] yes [15:43] ok, I was not sure [15:43] not sure it doesn't work for rhythmbox and indicator-applet then [15:44] seb128: the trouble is if they are not installable it will forget about them, i.e. if you have pkg A with new recommends B and at the point you install A B is not installable it will forget about B [15:44] that's not the first user to tell me indicator-sound or rhythmbox-plugins don't get installed [15:44] mvo, ah I see [15:44] that might explain it [15:44] might be an issue rather for unstable users then [15:44] otherwise I'm happy to debug [15:44] yeah [15:45] mvo, we just need to make sure those get installed in test upgrades [15:45] mvo, do you have a checklist somewhere? [15:45] or a diff between upgraded system and new install? [15:46] seb128: no, but I think I could generate one, if the pkglist of a new instlal is available somewhere, that would make it massively easier [15:46] mvo, will you take care of reassigning that bug where it should be? [15:49] seb128: I can do that, but I'm not sure at this point where it belongs to [15:49] mvo, apt or NOTABUG? [15:50] yeah [15:50] seb128: hm, lp does not let me login, can you re-assign to apt please (for now) [15:51] mvo, ok [15:51] jdong: yep having those [15:52] jdong: even 12hr+ after last dose my muscles are still hurting :( [15:58] bryceh: Hello, I just finished testing a laptop with a Core i5 M520 that uses the integrated CPU graphics and it works perfectly. Even the acceleration. Thanks! === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:32] mvo, hi, I pushed a workaround for bug 282995 . commited to my branch r1713 [16:32] Launchpad bug 282995 in synaptic "[quicksearch] New 'quick search' is unable to search for dashes '-'" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282995 [16:32] jibel: thanks, I check it out [16:33] mvo, I talked with the xapian's guys this morning about it and searching for a term with an hyphen using a prefix is not possible with xapian :( [16:35] mvo, so searching for a part of package name e.g pkg:xserver-xo is a bit problematic. [16:36] jibel: oh :( sad to hear - are there plans from them to fix that? [16:38] mvo, see comment#16 in the report. We need to talk to ojwb to get his opinion. [16:39] who should i subscribe to a bug to poke a retry build button for a package lying in main? [16:39] u-m-s or u-a? [16:40] or could someone here with super cow powers please poke it? [16:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/0.6.1.5-2/+build/1465680 [16:45] hyperair: poked [16:45] sistpoty|work: thanks =) [16:45] hyperair: only ia64? [16:45] yqw [16:45] -q [16:45] sistpoty|work: yes. [16:47] Is UNR dead? === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [16:49] magcius, yes, it was renamed [16:49] ogra, to what? [16:49] its the UN Edition now [16:49] Alright... [16:49] (UNE) [16:49] I was going to say "no, it was renamed" :-) [16:49] heh [16:49] It looks like there are two forks of the Launcher [16:50] One uses EFL. What does the other use? [16:50] there are two launchers, right [16:50] clutter and efl [16:50] Alright, Clutter. [16:51] Is there a reason that Canonical developed their own Netbook distribution instead of contributing to development of Moblin and such> [16:52] Also, why not help build a non-OpenGL backend for Clutter? === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [16:56] mvo, would you mind if i picked your brain a little bit? I'm seeing this happen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/384146/ on a 'dpkg -G -i blah.deb' call. Here's the postinst: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dell-team/dell-recovery/trunk/annotate/172/debian/postinst . Interestingly enough, the grub.cfg is fully populated even though the stdout from the dpkg call doesn't agree so. AFAIK, nothing is sending SIGTERM to the dpkg call. So could you se [16:56] e any other scenario causing that to happen? [17:01] seb128: I gather appindicator has something to do with why my volume control no longer stays put on my panel across logins? [17:02] ccheney: oh ouch, man, hope that clears up soon for you :-/. Yeah, cipro/levaquin are good antibiotics except when THAT happens. I feel your pain -- get better soon. [17:02] slangasek, most likely yes [17:03] seb128: so... is there an ETA on having whatever the "right" mixer is landing, so I don't have to keep readding the old one by hand? [17:03] slangasek, ok maybe I didn't parse you right [17:03] slangasek, the right mixer should be there [17:03] slangasek, is indicator-sound installed? [17:03] seb128: yes [17:04] slangasek, you have the indicator applet on your config? [17:04] slangasek, the one which does the message indicator thing [17:04] slangasek, all indicator go in that container [17:04] indicator*s* [17:05] seb128: I have the message indicator and session indicator, yes [17:05] superm1: hm, is this reproducable? [17:05] superm1: or just happend once? [17:06] mvo, it is happening on 4.2% of factory shipped systems (that dpkg command runs as a late command) [17:06] * Keybuk wants a department-of-homeland-security-alert-level-indicator [17:06] seb128: running /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service by hand, it aborts immediately; thanks, that gives me enough info to file a bug [17:06] mvo, so when it's happening it's a bit hard to investigate or speculate [17:06] slangasek, np [17:08] superm1: i see, hm [17:09] superm1: I guess you can not run update-grub or the postinst with sh -x ? [17:10] mvo, if i was able to reproduce it at my desk, that was the first inkling I had, but it's only being reproduced at the factories. [17:11] i've tried interrupting the late_command to just rerun update-grub and the reload for dbus 10k times hoping to hit it, but alas still nothing [17:12] so i'm starting to wonder what would happen if one of the children in the postinst got a SIGTERM, does it flow up to dpkg too? or just cause dpkg to exit with a non-zero return code? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|capoeira [17:12] superm1: signals aren't STDs [17:12] haha [17:12] there's no guarantee that the "Terminated" you're seeing there is from dpkg [17:12] they're only sent to one process [17:13]