| humphreybc | okay everyone, what's our next biggest event coming up for the manual? | 00:43 |
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| jaminday | When is writing freeze again? | 00:44 |
| humphreybc | march 18 :) | 00:44 |
| jaminday | ok so about 3 weeks... | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | indeed | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | i think we'll be okay | 00:45 |
| jaminday | yeah i think so | 00:45 |
| jaminday | do you know how we are going for content now? | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | yep | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | i think we've got 90% of it | 00:45 |
| jaminday | ah good that's a relief | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | that reminds me i have to finish my partitioning stuff | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | this bryan person sounds keen | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | and he's experienced too | 00:46 |
| jaminday | yeah it's good to have someone with experience in the area | 00:46 |
| jaminday | hopefully he has sorted out the ground control stuff ok | 00:46 |
| humphreybc | yup | 00:46 |
| humphreybc | okay i take that back about the 90% thing | 00:48 |
| humphreybc | we're still missing most of chapter 6, 7 and 4 | 00:48 |
| jaminday | Yeah i'm working on chapter 7 now and adding to it as i go | 00:49 |
| humphreybc | hopefully the pace will pick up soon though | 00:49 |
| humphreybc | okay cool | 00:49 |
| jaminday | Ryan has done a good job but i think some things need expanding | 00:49 |
| jaminday | The chapter on default applications appears to be getting quite lengthy? | 00:49 |
| humphreybc | it is getting very lengthy | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | blame Ilya :P | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | mind you it's a large chapter | 00:51 |
| jaminday | hehe | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | and probably quite important | 00:51 |
| jaminday | yes true | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | our manual is going to be off the hook once we get screenshots in | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | and when we have translations too, it's going to be super impressive | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | i know mark shuttleworth himself is already impressed | 00:51 |
| humphreybc | :D | 00:51 |
| jaminday | wow that's great | 00:52 |
| humphreybc | so we just need to keep up the momentum and work | 00:52 |
| humphreybc | and we'll be right | 00:52 |
| humphreybc | i'll set aside an entire day, maybe sunday, and just spend all day editing and writing | 00:52 |
| jaminday | Yeah good idea. I'm doing that today as i'm off work | 00:52 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: ping | 00:52 |
| humphreybc | i just had an idea to motivate people | 00:53 |
| humphreybc | if we could get latex to output a word count | 00:53 |
| humphreybc | and then off that, we set a word count that we think would be close to the completed number | 00:54 |
| humphreybc | and then on the planet or the wiki, we have some sort of small .GIF or image thing that basically gives a percentage of completion | 00:54 |
| jaminday | ah yes that would be cool | 00:54 |
| humphreybc | and then when people push significant changes, how cool would it be to see the percentage increase by 1% or 2%? | 00:54 |
| humphreybc | and we can have it on blogs and things, as a live progress report | 00:55 |
| humphreybc | i know joey at omgubuntu.co.uk would definitely have it on the sidebar of his site | 00:55 |
| humphreybc | and we could have a word count meter too | 00:56 |
| humphreybc | so you could refresh the page and see live progress! awesome! | 00:56 |
| jaminday | yep i like it - if word count can be exported it shouldn't be that hard to put together | 00:57 |
| humphreybc | yeah totally | 00:59 |
| humphreybc | maybe something for dutchie to do | 00:59 |
| humphreybc | he likes that sort of stuff :P | 00:59 |
| humphreybc | i just asked joey and he said he'd definitely put it on the sidebar at omgubuntu | 00:59 |
| jaminday | Do we have different LaTeX commands for terminal usage? ie text to be inputted by a user vs text that will be outputted following a command? | 01:55 |
| jaminday | Ah it's ok worked it out | 01:57 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: pong | 04:03 |
| humphreybc | hi! | 04:03 |
| godbyk | hey. | 04:03 |
| humphreybc | underneath where i pinged you, have a read | 04:03 |
| godbyk | ah, the word-count thing? | 04:03 |
| humphreybc | yea | 04:04 |
| godbyk | I think there are some scripts that attempt to do a word-count in LaTeX, but it's always fuzzy. | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | latex can't just output it? | 04:04 |
| godbyk | 'cause the scripts won't know, for instance, that \chaplink{ch:blah} produces "chapter X: blah" or how many words that contains. | 04:04 |
| godbyk | A better measure would probably be to have people report the 'doneness' of each of the sections they're writing. | 04:04 |
| godbyk | btw, if someone wants to register a domain name, I'm happy to host the ubuntu manual site. | 04:05 |
| humphreybc | hmm | 04:06 |
| humphreybc | yeah i'm going to register www.ubuntumanual.com soon | 04:06 |
| humphreybc | .org is taken unfortunately | 04:07 |
| godbyk | looks like that one's taken. | 04:07 |
| godbyk | ubuntumanual.net is open and ubuntu-manual.com/org/net is open. | 04:07 |
| humphreybc | ah okay | 04:07 |
| godbyk | gettingstartedwithubuntu.com/net/org are all free, too. | 04:07 |
| humphreybc | do you really think the commands matter? because when people write more, they'll also write more commands | 04:07 |
| humphreybc | that's a bit long | 04:08 |
| godbyk | true | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | ubuntu-manual.info is the cheapest | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | the others are like $10US | 04:08 |
| godbyk | I can try this script and see how it goes: http://folk.uio.no/einarro/Services/texcount.html | 04:09 |
| humphreybc | seems that anything with "ubuntu" in it is fairly costly | 04:09 |
| godbyk | yeah, but .info is lame. I'd go with .org, personally. | 04:09 |
| humphreybc | $15 a year? | 04:09 |
| humphreybc | ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntumanual.org? | 04:10 |
| godbyk | I think it's $10/year for me. | 04:10 |
| godbyk | ubuntumanual.org is already taken, you'll have to use the hyphen. | 04:10 |
| humphreybc | what provider are you looking at? | 04:10 |
| humphreybc | yeah it is | 04:10 |
| godbyk | that's just what dreamhost gets them for. | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | the hyphen is okay though because we have that in our branch on lp and stuff | 04:11 |
| godbyk | there are cheaper registrars, too. | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | ah okay neat | 04:11 |
| godbyk | hold on | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | how does one send money overseas? if we got every single contributor to pitch in like 20c we could easily afford it haha | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | i don't mind paying for it though | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | but if we can get it the cheapest possible through your dreamhost thing and somehow i'll pay you back | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | then we need to find some web designers. hmm. | 04:12 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: http://www.aplus.net/domains/ | 04:12 |
| humphreybc | as for the percentage thing, i was thinking just a script that takes the word count divided by what we estimate the final word count will be, and then multiplies by 100 to get a percentage. then we just have it auto-generate a .gif image that we host somewhere to embed on sites | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | similar to the ubuntu countdown image if you've ever seen that around | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | i'll grab that domain tonight | 04:14 |
| godbyk | I've seen that, yeah. | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | i'll contact my teacher at my old school who takes web design classes, he might have a bright student who needs a project | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | unless anyone in our project feels like creating a site | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | it doesn't have to be particularly fancy | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | i could make it myself but i probably won't have time | 04:15 |
| godbyk | I'm not good at web design, so I'll leave that to someone else. | 04:16 |
| humphreybc | and it wouldn't look as good as if someone else made it | 04:16 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 04:16 |
| godbyk | Once you get the domain name, let me know and I'll set up the hosting for it, though. | 04:16 |
| humphreybc | groovy | 04:16 |
| humphreybc | my idea is just to have the front page with three (or more or less) | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | with drop down boxes | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | the questions are like | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | what language would you like | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | are you going to be printing the manual? | 04:17 |
| godbyk | We can autodetect the language from the browser. | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | oO | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | awesome! | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | and could we have the magical build server actually build them a manual? or should we just host a heap of them somewhere | 04:18 |
| godbyk | I was pondering that. | 04:18 |
| humphreybc | because then we could have something that says "compiling your manual..." | 04:18 |
| godbyk | I think we may have to host them, and I'll just try to keep the latest versions built and uploaded automatically. | 04:18 |
| humphreybc | and a little flash icon that animates like ground control | 04:18 |
| humphreybc | okay | 04:18 |
| godbyk | (I don't think my hosting provider would like me to build PDFs all day long on their servers. :-)) | 04:18 |
| humphreybc | hehe | 04:18 |
| humphreybc | well we could have a build server that just re-builds all of them whenever any new editions are released | 04:19 |
| godbyk | right | 04:19 |
| humphreybc | in theory we should get it all right for lucid so we never have any new "editions" | 04:19 |
| godbyk | it doesn't take me too long to build them here. | 04:19 |
| humphreybc | okay cool | 04:19 |
| godbyk | true. | 04:19 |
| godbyk | but there will always be a typo that gets by. :) | 04:19 |
| humphreybc | yeah totally | 04:19 |
| godbyk | or maybe something changes with a software update. | 04:19 |
| humphreybc | it would be pretty cool if it was all automated with launchpad/bzr > build server > website > reader | 04:20 |
| godbyk | that's what I'd prefer, yeah. | 04:20 |
| godbyk | but at the point, we'd want to lock the branch down a bit, so we don't have people being evil. :-) | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | so yeah, basically our website is all slick and is very simple | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | yeah totally | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | they have the download link on a big fat button right in front of them | 04:21 |
| godbyk | are there any new branding guildelines? (I haven't checked my feeds yet) | 04:21 |
| humphreybc | and to the left is side bar with information about the project, contact details, key members, links to launchpad and some stuff about how someone can help | 04:21 |
| humphreybc | nope | 04:21 |
| humphreybc | if we make it good enough, canonical might let us use manual.ubuntu.com | 04:22 |
| humphreybc | which would be badass | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | i'll discuss that sort of stuff at UDS | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | also in the future, we'll need a question that asks what variant they'd like, Kubuntu Manual, Xubuntu, or the Ubuntu Developers Manual etc | 04:23 |
| humphreybc | i can totally picture it now | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | people go to http://manual.ubuntu.com | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | choose what they want, auto-detects language | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | bam, they get a 200 page manual in their native language complete with screenshots and everything | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | we could even integrate the UI and website into an application for the software center, sort of like a "manual installer" | 04:24 |
| humphreybc | so many ideas! | 04:25 |
| humphreybc | so many possibilities! haha | 04:25 |
| godbyk | :) | 04:25 |
| humphreybc | exciting times ahead | 04:25 |
| godbyk | We have to get it all written, edited, and translated first. :) | 04:25 |
| humphreybc | indeed | 04:26 |
| humphreybc | we're getting there | 04:26 |
| humphreybc | slowly but surely | 04:26 |
| humphreybc | i'm going to put aside my entire sunday to just write and edit | 04:26 |
| humphreybc | because i'm going to be pretty busy next week when all this starts: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966q | 04:27 |
| humphreybc | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966 * | 04:27 |
| godbyk | fun | 04:28 |
| humphreybc | indeed.... | 04:29 |
| godbyk | my calendar is practically empty. | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | fun! | 04:29 |
| godbyk | though I'm supposed to be working on my dissertation. :-P | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | how are you surviving? | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | like food? power? | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | rent? | 04:29 |
| godbyk | student loans. :) | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | haha okay | 04:29 |
| humphreybc | what are you studying though? | 04:29 |
| godbyk | human-computer interaction (HCI) | 04:30 |
| humphreybc | ooh | 04:30 |
| humphreybc | right i have to shoot off and grab some dinner before work | 04:30 |
| godbyk | np. | 04:30 |
| godbyk | see ya later. | 04:30 |
| humphreybc | i'll be back on tonight but not for long because i'm knackered | 04:30 |
| humphreybc | catchya | 04:30 |
| godbyk | k | 04:30 |
| humphreybc | if anyone needs me, just email me - it goes to my cell (love android!) | 04:31 |
| godbyk | k | 04:31 |
| thorwil | godbyk, godbyk-android: new inkscape latex export feature: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=EEEAA170F9750D449D15AEF17CE7ED6D02401D15%40ewiex11.dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl&forum_name=inkscape-user | 09:15 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Snazzy! | 09:45 |
| humphreybc | everyone, this video is really important and relevant to our interests in the team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | you all need to watch it! | 10:48 |
| * thorwil wonders why there's always some lady gaga in related videos | 11:05 | |
| humphreybc | haha | 11:07 |
| humphreybc | alright i desperately need sleep | 11:14 |
| humphreybc | night! | 11:14 |
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| ubuntujenkins | .me thinks python is very confusing and wishes TommyBrunn was around | 19:00 |
| * ubuntujenkins_ thinks using glade at 800x600 resolution is not a good idea :-) | 21:35 | |
| dutchie | jaminday: do "bzr whoami" | 22:58 |
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