[00:43] <humphreybc> okay everyone, what's our next biggest event coming up for the manual?
[00:44] <jaminday> When is writing freeze again?
[00:44] <humphreybc> march 18 :)
[00:45] <jaminday> ok so about 3 weeks...
[00:45] <humphreybc> indeed
[00:45] <humphreybc> i think we'll be okay
[00:45] <jaminday> yeah i think so
[00:45] <jaminday> do you know how we are going for content now?
[00:45] <humphreybc> yep
[00:45] <humphreybc> i think we've got 90% of it
[00:45] <jaminday> ah good that's a relief
[00:45] <humphreybc> that reminds me i have to finish my partitioning stuff
[00:45] <humphreybc> this bryan person sounds keen
[00:46] <humphreybc> and he's experienced too
[00:46] <jaminday> yeah it's good to have someone with experience in the area
[00:46] <jaminday> hopefully he has sorted out the ground control stuff ok
[00:46] <humphreybc> yup
[00:48] <humphreybc> okay i take that back about the 90% thing
[00:48] <humphreybc> we're still missing most of chapter 6, 7 and 4
[00:49] <jaminday> Yeah i'm working on chapter 7 now and adding to it as i go
[00:49] <humphreybc> hopefully the pace will pick up soon though
[00:49] <humphreybc> okay cool
[00:49] <jaminday> Ryan has done a good job but i think some things need expanding
[00:49] <jaminday> The chapter on default applications appears to be getting quite lengthy?
[00:51] <humphreybc> it is getting very lengthy
[00:51] <humphreybc> blame Ilya :P
[00:51] <humphreybc> mind you it's a large chapter
[00:51] <jaminday> hehe
[00:51] <humphreybc> and probably quite important
[00:51] <jaminday> yes true
[00:51] <humphreybc> our manual is going to be off the hook once we get screenshots in
[00:51] <humphreybc> and when we have translations too, it's going to be super impressive
[00:51] <humphreybc> i know mark shuttleworth himself is already impressed
[00:51] <humphreybc> :D
[00:52] <jaminday> wow that's great
[00:52] <humphreybc> so we just need to keep up the momentum and work
[00:52] <humphreybc> and we'll be right
[00:52] <humphreybc> i'll set aside an entire day, maybe sunday, and just spend all day editing and writing
[00:52] <jaminday> Yeah good idea. I'm doing that today as i'm off work
[00:52] <humphreybc> godbyk: ping
[00:53] <humphreybc> i just had an idea to motivate people
[00:53] <humphreybc> if we could get latex to output a word count
[00:54] <humphreybc> and then off that, we set a word count that we think would be close to the completed number
[00:54] <humphreybc> and then on the planet or the wiki, we have some sort of small .GIF or image thing that basically gives a percentage of completion
[00:54] <jaminday> ah yes that would be cool
[00:54] <humphreybc> and then when people push significant changes, how cool would it be to see the percentage increase by 1% or 2%?
[00:55] <humphreybc> and we can have it on blogs and things, as a live progress report
[00:55] <humphreybc> i know joey at omgubuntu.co.uk would definitely have it on the sidebar of his site
[00:56] <humphreybc> and we could have a word count meter too
[00:56] <humphreybc> so you could refresh the page and see live progress! awesome!
[00:57] <jaminday> yep i like it - if word count can be exported it shouldn't be that hard to put together
[00:59] <humphreybc> yeah totally
[00:59] <humphreybc> maybe something for dutchie to do
[00:59] <humphreybc> he likes that sort of stuff :P
[00:59] <humphreybc> i just asked joey and he said he'd definitely put it on the sidebar at omgubuntu
[01:55] <jaminday> Do we have different LaTeX commands for terminal usage? ie text to be inputted by a user vs text that will be outputted following a command?
[01:57] <jaminday> Ah it's ok worked it out
[04:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: pong
[04:03] <humphreybc> hi!
[04:03] <godbyk> hey.
[04:03] <humphreybc> underneath where i pinged you, have a read
[04:03] <godbyk> ah, the word-count thing?
[04:04] <humphreybc> yea
[04:04] <godbyk> I think there are some scripts that attempt to do a word-count in LaTeX, but it's always fuzzy.
[04:04] <humphreybc> latex can't just output it?
[04:04] <godbyk> 'cause the scripts won't know, for instance, that \chaplink{ch:blah} produces "chapter X: blah" or how many words that contains.
[04:04] <godbyk> A better measure would probably be to have people report the 'doneness' of each of the sections they're writing.
[04:05] <godbyk> btw, if someone wants to register a domain name, I'm happy to host the ubuntu manual site.
[04:06] <humphreybc> hmm
[04:06] <humphreybc> yeah i'm going to register www.ubuntumanual.com soon
[04:07] <humphreybc> .org is taken unfortunately
[04:07] <godbyk> looks like that one's taken.
[04:07] <godbyk> ubuntumanual.net is open and ubuntu-manual.com/org/net is open.
[04:07] <humphreybc> ah okay
[04:07] <godbyk> gettingstartedwithubuntu.com/net/org are all free, too.
[04:07] <humphreybc> do you really think the commands matter? because when people write more, they'll also write more commands
[04:08] <humphreybc> that's a bit long
[04:08] <godbyk> true
[04:08] <humphreybc> ubuntu-manual.info is the cheapest
[04:08] <humphreybc> the others are like $10US
[04:09] <godbyk> I can try this script and see how it goes: http://folk.uio.no/einarro/Services/texcount.html
[04:09] <humphreybc> seems that anything with "ubuntu" in it is fairly costly
[04:09] <godbyk> yeah, but .info is lame. I'd go with .org, personally.
[04:09] <humphreybc> $15 a year?
[04:10] <humphreybc> ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntumanual.org?
[04:10] <godbyk> I think it's $10/year for me.
[04:10] <godbyk> ubuntumanual.org is already taken, you'll have to use the hyphen.
[04:10] <humphreybc> what provider are you looking at?
[04:10] <humphreybc> yeah it is
[04:11] <godbyk> that's just what dreamhost gets them for.
[04:11] <humphreybc> the hyphen is okay though because we have that in our branch on lp and stuff
[04:11] <godbyk> there are cheaper registrars, too.
[04:11] <humphreybc> ah okay neat
[04:11] <godbyk> hold on
[04:11] <humphreybc> how does one send money overseas? if we got every single contributor to pitch in like 20c we could easily afford it haha
[04:11] <humphreybc> i don't mind paying for it though
[04:11] <humphreybc> but if we can get it the cheapest possible through your dreamhost thing and somehow i'll pay you back
[04:12] <humphreybc> then we need to find some web designers. hmm.
[04:12] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://www.aplus.net/domains/
[04:13] <humphreybc> as for the percentage thing, i was thinking just a script that takes the word count divided by what we estimate the final word count will be, and then multiplies by 100 to get a percentage. then we just have it auto-generate a .gif image that we host somewhere to embed on sites
[04:13] <humphreybc> similar to the ubuntu countdown image if you've ever seen that around
[04:14] <humphreybc> i'll grab that domain tonight
[04:15] <godbyk> I've seen that, yeah.
[04:15] <humphreybc> i'll contact my teacher at my old school who takes web design classes, he might have a bright student who needs a project
[04:15] <humphreybc> unless anyone in our project feels like creating a site
[04:15] <humphreybc> it doesn't have to be particularly fancy
[04:15] <humphreybc> i could make it myself but i probably won't have time
[04:16] <godbyk> I'm not good at web design, so I'll leave that to someone else.
[04:16] <humphreybc> and it wouldn't look as good as if someone else made it
[04:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:16] <godbyk> Once you get the domain name, let me know and I'll set up the hosting for it, though.
[04:16] <humphreybc> groovy
[04:17] <humphreybc> my idea is just to have the front page with three (or more or less)
[04:17] <humphreybc> with drop down boxes
[04:17] <humphreybc> the questions are like
[04:17] <humphreybc> what language would you like
[04:17] <humphreybc> are you going to be printing the manual?
[04:17] <godbyk> We can autodetect the language from the browser.
[04:17] <humphreybc> oO
[04:17] <humphreybc> awesome!
[04:18] <humphreybc> and could we have the magical build server actually build them a manual? or should we just host a heap of them somewhere
[04:18] <godbyk> I was pondering that.
[04:18] <humphreybc> because then we could have something that says "compiling your manual..."
[04:18] <godbyk> I think we may have to host them, and I'll just try to keep the latest versions built and uploaded automatically.
[04:18] <humphreybc> and a little flash icon that animates like ground control
[04:18] <humphreybc> okay
[04:18] <godbyk> (I don't think my hosting provider would like me to build PDFs all day long on their servers. :-))
[04:18] <humphreybc> hehe
[04:19] <humphreybc> well we could have a build server that just re-builds all of them whenever any new editions are released
[04:19] <godbyk> right
[04:19] <humphreybc> in theory we should get it all right for lucid so we never have any new "editions"
[04:19] <godbyk> it doesn't take me too long to build them here.
[04:19] <humphreybc> okay cool
[04:19] <godbyk> true.
[04:19] <godbyk> but there will always be a typo that gets by. :)
[04:19] <humphreybc> yeah totally
[04:19] <godbyk> or maybe something changes with a software update.
[04:20] <humphreybc> it would be pretty cool if it was all automated with launchpad/bzr > build server > website > reader
[04:20] <godbyk> that's what I'd prefer, yeah.
[04:20] <godbyk> but at the point, we'd want to lock the branch down a bit, so we don't have people being evil. :-)
[04:20] <humphreybc> so yeah, basically our website is all slick and is very simple
[04:20] <humphreybc> yeah totally
[04:21] <humphreybc> they have the download link on a big fat button right in front of them
[04:21] <godbyk> are there any new branding guildelines?  (I haven't checked my feeds yet)
[04:21] <humphreybc> and to the left is side bar with information about the project, contact details, key members, links to launchpad and some stuff about how someone can help
[04:21] <humphreybc> nope
[04:22] <humphreybc> if we make it good enough, canonical might let us use manual.ubuntu.com
[04:23] <humphreybc> which would be badass
[04:23] <humphreybc> i'll discuss that sort of stuff at UDS
[04:23] <humphreybc> also in the future, we'll need a question that asks what variant they'd like, Kubuntu Manual, Xubuntu, or the Ubuntu Developers Manual etc
[04:24] <humphreybc> i can totally picture it now
[04:24] <humphreybc> people go to http://manual.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <humphreybc> choose what they want, auto-detects language
[04:24] <humphreybc> bam, they get a 200 page manual in their native language complete with screenshots and everything
[04:24] <humphreybc> we could even integrate the UI and website into an application for the software center, sort of like a "manual installer"
[04:25] <humphreybc> so many ideas!
[04:25] <humphreybc> so many possibilities! haha
[04:25] <godbyk> :)
[04:25] <humphreybc> exciting times ahead
[04:25] <godbyk> We have to get it all written, edited, and translated first. :)
[04:26] <humphreybc> indeed
[04:26] <humphreybc> we're getting there
[04:26] <humphreybc> slowly but surely
[04:26] <humphreybc> i'm going to put aside my entire sunday to just write and edit
[04:27] <humphreybc> because i'm going to be pretty busy next week when all this starts: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966q
[04:27] <humphreybc> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966 *
[04:28] <godbyk> fun
[04:29] <humphreybc> indeed....
[04:29] <godbyk> my calendar is practically empty.
[04:29] <humphreybc> fun!
[04:29] <godbyk> though I'm supposed to be working on my dissertation. :-P
[04:29] <humphreybc> how are you surviving?
[04:29] <humphreybc> like food? power?
[04:29] <humphreybc> rent?
[04:29] <godbyk> student loans. :)
[04:29] <humphreybc> haha okay
[04:29] <humphreybc> what are you studying though?
[04:30] <godbyk> human-computer interaction (HCI)
[04:30] <humphreybc> ooh
[04:30] <humphreybc> right i have to shoot off and grab some dinner before work
[04:30] <godbyk> np.
[04:30] <godbyk> see ya later.
[04:30] <humphreybc> i'll be back on tonight but not for long because i'm knackered
[04:30] <humphreybc> catchya
[04:30] <godbyk> k
[04:31] <humphreybc> if anyone needs me, just email me - it goes to my cell (love android!)
[04:31] <godbyk> k
[09:15] <thorwil> godbyk, godbyk-android: new inkscape latex export feature: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=EEEAA170F9750D449D15AEF17CE7ED6D02401D15%40ewiex11.dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl&forum_name=inkscape-user
[09:45] <godbyk> thorwil: Snazzy!
[10:48] <humphreybc> everyone, this video is really important and relevant to our interests in the team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM
[10:48] <humphreybc> you all need to watch it!
[11:05]  * thorwil wonders why there's always some lady gaga in related videos
[11:07] <humphreybc> haha
[11:14] <humphreybc> alright i desperately need sleep
[11:14] <humphreybc> night!
[19:00] <ubuntujenkins> .me thinks python is very confusing and wishes TommyBrunn was around
[21:35]  * ubuntujenkins_ thinks using glade at 800x600 resolution is not a good idea :-)
[22:58] <dutchie> jaminday: do "bzr whoami"