[00:43] okay everyone, what's our next biggest event coming up for the manual? [00:44] When is writing freeze again? [00:44] march 18 :) [00:45] ok so about 3 weeks... [00:45] indeed [00:45] i think we'll be okay [00:45] yeah i think so [00:45] do you know how we are going for content now? [00:45] yep [00:45] i think we've got 90% of it [00:45] ah good that's a relief [00:45] that reminds me i have to finish my partitioning stuff [00:45] this bryan person sounds keen [00:46] and he's experienced too [00:46] yeah it's good to have someone with experience in the area [00:46] hopefully he has sorted out the ground control stuff ok [00:46] yup [00:48] okay i take that back about the 90% thing [00:48] we're still missing most of chapter 6, 7 and 4 [00:49] Yeah i'm working on chapter 7 now and adding to it as i go [00:49] hopefully the pace will pick up soon though [00:49] okay cool [00:49] Ryan has done a good job but i think some things need expanding [00:49] The chapter on default applications appears to be getting quite lengthy? [00:51] it is getting very lengthy [00:51] blame Ilya :P [00:51] mind you it's a large chapter [00:51] hehe [00:51] and probably quite important [00:51] yes true [00:51] our manual is going to be off the hook once we get screenshots in [00:51] and when we have translations too, it's going to be super impressive [00:51] i know mark shuttleworth himself is already impressed [00:51] :D [00:52] wow that's great [00:52] so we just need to keep up the momentum and work [00:52] and we'll be right [00:52] i'll set aside an entire day, maybe sunday, and just spend all day editing and writing [00:52] Yeah good idea. I'm doing that today as i'm off work [00:52] godbyk: ping [00:53] i just had an idea to motivate people [00:53] if we could get latex to output a word count [00:54] and then off that, we set a word count that we think would be close to the completed number [00:54] and then on the planet or the wiki, we have some sort of small .GIF or image thing that basically gives a percentage of completion [00:54] ah yes that would be cool [00:54] and then when people push significant changes, how cool would it be to see the percentage increase by 1% or 2%? [00:55] and we can have it on blogs and things, as a live progress report [00:55] i know joey at omgubuntu.co.uk would definitely have it on the sidebar of his site [00:56] and we could have a word count meter too [00:56] so you could refresh the page and see live progress! awesome! [00:57] yep i like it - if word count can be exported it shouldn't be that hard to put together [00:59] yeah totally [00:59] maybe something for dutchie to do [00:59] he likes that sort of stuff :P [00:59] i just asked joey and he said he'd definitely put it on the sidebar at omgubuntu [01:55] Do we have different LaTeX commands for terminal usage? ie text to be inputted by a user vs text that will be outputted following a command? [01:57] Ah it's ok worked it out [04:03] humphreybc: pong [04:03] hi! [04:03] hey. [04:03] underneath where i pinged you, have a read [04:03] ah, the word-count thing? [04:04] yea [04:04] I think there are some scripts that attempt to do a word-count in LaTeX, but it's always fuzzy. [04:04] latex can't just output it? [04:04] 'cause the scripts won't know, for instance, that \chaplink{ch:blah} produces "chapter X: blah" or how many words that contains. [04:04] A better measure would probably be to have people report the 'doneness' of each of the sections they're writing. [04:05] btw, if someone wants to register a domain name, I'm happy to host the ubuntu manual site. [04:06] hmm [04:06] yeah i'm going to register www.ubuntumanual.com soon [04:07] .org is taken unfortunately [04:07] looks like that one's taken. [04:07] ubuntumanual.net is open and ubuntu-manual.com/org/net is open. [04:07] ah okay [04:07] gettingstartedwithubuntu.com/net/org are all free, too. [04:07] do you really think the commands matter? because when people write more, they'll also write more commands [04:08] that's a bit long [04:08] true [04:08] ubuntu-manual.info is the cheapest [04:08] the others are like $10US [04:09] I can try this script and see how it goes: http://folk.uio.no/einarro/Services/texcount.html [04:09] seems that anything with "ubuntu" in it is fairly costly [04:09] yeah, but .info is lame. I'd go with .org, personally. [04:09] $15 a year? [04:10] ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntumanual.org? [04:10] I think it's $10/year for me. [04:10] ubuntumanual.org is already taken, you'll have to use the hyphen. [04:10] what provider are you looking at? [04:10] yeah it is [04:11] that's just what dreamhost gets them for. [04:11] the hyphen is okay though because we have that in our branch on lp and stuff [04:11] there are cheaper registrars, too. [04:11] ah okay neat [04:11] hold on [04:11] how does one send money overseas? if we got every single contributor to pitch in like 20c we could easily afford it haha [04:11] i don't mind paying for it though [04:11] but if we can get it the cheapest possible through your dreamhost thing and somehow i'll pay you back [04:12] then we need to find some web designers. hmm. [04:12] humphreybc: http://www.aplus.net/domains/ [04:13] as for the percentage thing, i was thinking just a script that takes the word count divided by what we estimate the final word count will be, and then multiplies by 100 to get a percentage. then we just have it auto-generate a .gif image that we host somewhere to embed on sites [04:13] similar to the ubuntu countdown image if you've ever seen that around [04:14] i'll grab that domain tonight [04:15] I've seen that, yeah. [04:15] i'll contact my teacher at my old school who takes web design classes, he might have a bright student who needs a project [04:15] unless anyone in our project feels like creating a site [04:15] it doesn't have to be particularly fancy [04:15] i could make it myself but i probably won't have time [04:16] I'm not good at web design, so I'll leave that to someone else. [04:16] and it wouldn't look as good as if someone else made it [04:16] yeah [04:16] Once you get the domain name, let me know and I'll set up the hosting for it, though. [04:16] groovy [04:17] my idea is just to have the front page with three (or more or less) [04:17] with drop down boxes [04:17] the questions are like [04:17] what language would you like [04:17] are you going to be printing the manual? [04:17] We can autodetect the language from the browser. [04:17] oO [04:17] awesome! [04:18] and could we have the magical build server actually build them a manual? or should we just host a heap of them somewhere [04:18] I was pondering that. [04:18] because then we could have something that says "compiling your manual..." [04:18] I think we may have to host them, and I'll just try to keep the latest versions built and uploaded automatically. [04:18] and a little flash icon that animates like ground control [04:18] okay [04:18] (I don't think my hosting provider would like me to build PDFs all day long on their servers. :-)) [04:18] hehe [04:19] well we could have a build server that just re-builds all of them whenever any new editions are released [04:19] right [04:19] in theory we should get it all right for lucid so we never have any new "editions" [04:19] it doesn't take me too long to build them here. [04:19] okay cool [04:19] true. [04:19] but there will always be a typo that gets by. :) [04:19] yeah totally [04:19] or maybe something changes with a software update. [04:20] it would be pretty cool if it was all automated with launchpad/bzr > build server > website > reader [04:20] that's what I'd prefer, yeah. [04:20] but at the point, we'd want to lock the branch down a bit, so we don't have people being evil. :-) [04:20] so yeah, basically our website is all slick and is very simple [04:20] yeah totally [04:21] they have the download link on a big fat button right in front of them [04:21] are there any new branding guildelines? (I haven't checked my feeds yet) [04:21] and to the left is side bar with information about the project, contact details, key members, links to launchpad and some stuff about how someone can help [04:21] nope [04:22] if we make it good enough, canonical might let us use manual.ubuntu.com [04:23] which would be badass [04:23] i'll discuss that sort of stuff at UDS [04:23] also in the future, we'll need a question that asks what variant they'd like, Kubuntu Manual, Xubuntu, or the Ubuntu Developers Manual etc [04:24] i can totally picture it now [04:24] people go to http://manual.ubuntu.com [04:24] choose what they want, auto-detects language [04:24] bam, they get a 200 page manual in their native language complete with screenshots and everything [04:24] we could even integrate the UI and website into an application for the software center, sort of like a "manual installer" [04:25] so many ideas! [04:25] so many possibilities! haha [04:25] :) [04:25] exciting times ahead [04:25] We have to get it all written, edited, and translated first. :) [04:26] indeed [04:26] we're getting there [04:26] slowly but surely [04:26] i'm going to put aside my entire sunday to just write and edit [04:27] because i'm going to be pretty busy next week when all this starts: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966q [04:27] http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1121293&l=5bd1a5210c&id=1171655966 * [04:28] fun [04:29] indeed.... [04:29] my calendar is practically empty. [04:29] fun! [04:29] though I'm supposed to be working on my dissertation. :-P [04:29] how are you surviving? [04:29] like food? power? [04:29] rent? [04:29] student loans. :) [04:29] haha okay [04:29] what are you studying though? [04:30] human-computer interaction (HCI) [04:30] ooh [04:30] right i have to shoot off and grab some dinner before work [04:30] np. [04:30] see ya later. [04:30] i'll be back on tonight but not for long because i'm knackered [04:30] catchya [04:30] k [04:31] if anyone needs me, just email me - it goes to my cell (love android!) [04:31] k [09:15] godbyk, godbyk-android: new inkscape latex export feature: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=EEEAA170F9750D449D15AEF17CE7ED6D02401D15%40ewiex11.dynamic.ewi.utwente.nl&forum_name=inkscape-user [09:45] thorwil: Snazzy! [10:48] everyone, this video is really important and relevant to our interests in the team: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM [10:48] you all need to watch it! [11:05] * thorwil wonders why there's always some lady gaga in related videos [11:07] haha [11:14] alright i desperately need sleep [11:14] night! === Yorvyk is now known as Jorvik === Jorvik is now known as Yorvyk === Yorvyk is now known as Yorvik === Yorvik is now known as Jorvik === Jorvik is now known as Yorvyk [19:00] .me thinks python is very confusing and wishes TommyBrunn was around [21:35] * ubuntujenkins_ thinks using glade at 800x600 resolution is not a good idea :-) [22:58] jaminday: do "bzr whoami"