[00:15] <rww> Hola. The IRSeekBot that was banforwarded from #ubuntu to the "fix your connection" channel the other day is now joining and flooding out under a different, uncloaked nick by the look of it.
[00:16] <rww> 16:14:26 -!- IRSeekBot10 [~IRSeekLog@ip-72-167-47-23.ip.secureserver.net] has quit [Excess Flood]
[00:20] <persia> Thanks for the notification.  Unfortunately, the timezones covering the current standard time are unfortunately poorly staffed.  It may be a bit before this can be sorted.
[05:58] <Myrtti> handled
[06:43] <mneptok> Myrtti: are you awake early, or late?
[06:44] <Myrtti> early
[06:44] <Myrtti> deadlines and doctors today
[06:44] <mneptok> :/
[06:45] <mneptok> i think i have successfully reset my internal clock. we'll see after today's meetings.
[07:19] <Flannel> Odd...
[07:20] <Myrtti> what is
[07:20] <Flannel> the string of ip-only joins in #u for a minute there
[07:26] <jussi01> \o/
[07:26] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[07:27] <jussi01> Exam went well yesterday, methinks I may pass :D
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:45] <ikonia> the ircseek bot appears to be having a hard time
[10:46] <Myrtti> not anymore since I removed it from #ubuntu
[10:50] <ikonia> #launchpad it's still having a bender on
[13:25] <Myrtti> watch out for hopper.cs.bilgi.edu.tr
[13:44] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling Bash is going to keep beating a dead horse
[13:44] <gnomefreak> in +1
[14:06] <bazhang> Cann0n, hello
[14:07] <Cann0n> i'm reggistered
[15:33] <bazhang> h00k, hi
[15:33] <bazhang> congrats by the way :)
[15:34] <h00k> We're havin a problem with somebody in #ubuntu-offtopic, mahfouz, I'm not sure if anyone else is actively in the channel
[15:34] <h00k> bazhang: thank you :D
[15:34] <bazhang> h00k, yep he is being watched
[15:34] <h00k> alright, thanks, I just watned to make sure
[15:34] <h00k> s/watned/wanted
[15:35]  * ikonia watches
[15:35]  * gnomefreak watches too
[15:36] <gnomefreak> forggot who we were watching :(
[15:36] <bazhang> mahfouz
[15:36] <gnomefreak> bazhang: :) thanks
[15:37] <bazhang> gnomefreak, you're welcome :)
[15:38] <gnomefreak> he just joined #*-mozillateam so i get to watch him all over the place
[15:38] <knome> hehe
[16:09] <bazhang> darthanubis, hi
[16:09] <darthanubis> Is there a way to find out which channels I'm banned on?
[16:10] <ikonia> I just see you as banned in #ubuntu
[16:10] <bazhang> in #ubuntu as far as I can tell
[16:11] <darthanubis> For how long is this ban in place?
[16:12] <ikonia> you'd need to speak to tsimpson
[16:12] <ikonia> I'll see if I can see any details on it though
[16:12] <darthanubis> What could he possibly want to speak with me PERSONALLY about?
[16:13] <bazhang> the reason for your ban
[16:13] <darthanubis> And users can be banned at the descretion of one OP INDEFINATELY?
[16:13] <ikonia> darthanubis: give me a minute and I'll have a look if there are any notes
[16:13] <bazhang> the profanity directed at a user when telling them not to use profanity
[16:13] <darthanubis> Yeah, I did not say I did not know why I was banned.
[16:14] <darthanubis> But why this grudge about it?
[16:14] <bazhang> then the subsequent discussion here
[16:14] <darthanubis> Most bans are for a period of time.
[16:14] <bazhang> indeed they are.
[16:14] <ikonia> darthanubis: ok - the notes say you specfically need to speak to mneptok
[16:14] <darthanubis> The discussion here was one of inquiry into the terms of the punishment.
[16:14] <ikonia> darthanubis: he can go through the ban and the conditions of it's removal with you
[16:15] <darthanubis> So you all answer to him or something? Who is his superior?
[16:15] <bazhang> no
[16:15] <ikonia> no
[16:15] <darthanubis> So, I don't get it
[16:15] <bazhang> calling it a grudge is ingenuous
[16:15] <darthanubis> How long have I been banned already?
[16:15] <ikonia> darthanubis: I'll explain if I may
[16:16] <darthanubis> bazhang: excuse me if I don't agree
[16:16] <ikonia> darthanubis: first I'll explain the situation
[16:16] <darthanubis> ikonia: please not the situation again
[16:16] <ikonia> I've not mentioned the sitaution before
[16:16] <bazhang> ikonia, I'll leave this to you
[16:16] <ikonia> you just asked how it works, and I thought I'd explain it to make it clear to you
[16:16] <ikonia> if you don't want to know the process that's fine, but you asked
[16:17] <darthanubis> The ban process not having any rules
[16:17] <darthanubis> That is what I don't understanf
[16:17] <ikonia> there are rules
[16:17] <darthanubis> Having to answer to ONE PARTICULAR OP is the part I'm confused about
[16:17] <ikonia> you don't
[16:17] <darthanubis> really?
[16:17] <ikonia> if you'd allow me to explain, I'd be happy to do so
[16:18] <darthanubis> I keep being told to speak withtimmy
[16:18] <ikonia> if you - like I'll explain to you, yes/no ?
[16:18] <darthanubis> is this posted somewhere?
[16:18] <darthanubis> The explaination?
[16:18] <ikonia> no
[16:18] <darthanubis> Because i get the feeling this is all made up as you guys go.
[16:19] <ikonia> ok - then I see no point in discussing it with you
[16:19] <darthanubis> I just like to understand the rules for the future
[16:19] <ikonia> which is what I'm trying to tell you
[16:19] <darthanubis> and other ubuntu forums
[16:19] <ikonia> ok - ubuntu forums are a seperate issue - but I can explain the IRC process to you
[16:19] <darthanubis> you see no point because i want to see the rules posted somewhere?
[16:19] <ikonia> does that help ?
[16:19] <darthanubis> forum as in venues
[16:20] <ikonia> the rules are actually posted, but I'd like to explain how you got into this situation
[16:20] <ikonia> that way you can understand where you are in the process and your options
[16:20] <ikonia> does that help ?
[16:20] <darthanubis> starting to
[16:20] <darthanubis> proceed
[16:20] <darthanubis> please
[16:20] <ikonia> ok
[16:21] <ikonia> first - to be clear, this is just for the Ubuntu IRC channels, nothing else
[16:21] <darthanubis> understood
[16:21] <ikonia> darthanubis: an operator can place a ban on you for a percieved breaking of the rules/policy, normal practice is depending on the situation that ban will be removed after a period of time (eg: you're told to take 24 hours to cool off) - or until the operator in question can explain and get agreement to stop the problem behaviour
[16:22] <ikonia> clear so far ?
[16:22] <ikonia> (there is more)
[16:23] <darthanubis> please continue, there is nothing in that not unclear or not already covered....
[16:24] <ikonia> great
[16:25] <darthanubis> I had the guy on ignore. Seems I'm still banned because I ignored an OP, and refused to take him off ignore. He got pissed, and taught me a lesson, by banning me from #ubuntu for life, to show me how much power he has.
[16:25] <darthanubis> It is called ego-tripping. But due continue.
[16:25] <ikonia> in certain situations where a user has history of being an issue in the channel for either persistant behaviour/bans or not understanding the reason for the ban properly, an operator can put a note on the ban to request that he is allowed to speak to the user in question to help clarify the reason the user keeps getting banned - if the user is unconfortable with this (as you appear to be with mneptok) you can request another operator be present durin
[16:26] <Myrtti> you got cut off at during
[16:26] <darthanubis> First time banned
[16:26] <ikonia> Myrtti: thank you
[16:26] <ikonia> darthanubis: it's not your first time you're banned
[16:26] <darthanubis> sure it is
[16:26] <darthanubis> when was I banend from #ubuntu before?
[16:26] <ikonia> during the conversation
[16:26] <ikonia> that was the final comment (again thank you Myrtti )
[16:27] <darthanubis> I was previously banned when? I honestly remember no such event.
[16:27] <ikonia> darthanubis: june 02 / 2009 , #ubuntuforums a few times may 01 2009 may 28 2008
[16:28] <ikonia> so 4 times in #ubuntu and 2 times in #ubuntuforums from what I'm reading
[16:28] <ikonia> but that's not a big deal to remedy
[16:28] <darthanubis> There was no 4 times in #ubuntu
[16:28] <ikonia> darthanubis: our logs show you have been banned 4 times in #ubuntu
[16:28] <darthanubis> Once in #ubuntuforums and I tried to get OP help on that issue
[16:28] <ikonia> but it's not that big a deal, as I said we can work through this
[16:28] <darthanubis> and was told that that channel was no part of Ubuntu IRC proper
[16:28] <ikonia> if we talk to mneptok (another op can be present) and work through the problem
[16:29] <darthanubis> this is all starting to stink bad
[16:29] <ikonia> that's not important, I'm trying to help you resolve this
[16:29] <darthanubis> Accuracy would help in the resolving of this matter.
[16:29] <ikonia> eg: if you want another operator (plenty in here) can be present when you speak to mneptok and we can try to resolve it
[16:29] <ikonia> darthanubis: what part am I not being accurate on ?
[16:29] <darthanubis> Becaus looking at a record like that, I can see why I am perpetually banned.
[16:29] <ikonia> I'll try to clarify if you explain where I am not being accurate on
[16:30] <darthanubis> The record is not accurate!
[16:30] <ikonia> it is
[16:30] <knome> darthanubis, please calm down
[16:30] <darthanubis> What makes you so sure?
[16:30] <darthanubis> knome: One exclamation mark is hysteria?
[16:30] <ikonia> darthanubis: ahh, ok on two occasions you've been ban forwaded to #ubuntu-read-topic as a result of being open to an exploit
[16:30] <ikonia> darthanubis: so they are not "real" bans they are as result as your client was suseptable to an exploit
[16:31] <ikonia> (as I say, I'm reading your history as I type to you here)
[16:31] <darthanubis> ikonia: ok, I could not help that. That was about changing ports to 8000 or something
[16:31] <knome> darthanubis, i'm not saying you're hysteric, but i can see you're not totally calm.
[16:31] <ikonia> darthanubis: totally understand that
[16:31] <bazhang> knome, could I PM
[16:31] <knome> darthanubis, if i misjudged, then sorry. just making sure we keep calm here. i'm sure the thing can be solved
[16:31] <knome> bazhang, sure
[16:32] <darthanubis> knome: gotcha
[16:32] <ikonia> darthanubis: so to resolve this can I suggest you oand "A.N.Other" op meets with mneptok to take this foward ?
[16:33] <darthanubis> Resolve to mean means removing all the bans
[16:33] <ikonia> there is only 1 ban
[16:33] <darthanubis> I was told that #ubuntuforums was not apart of Ubuntu
[16:33] <darthanubis> I was misinformed
[16:33] <ikonia> and the resolution is to make sure you understand why you where banned, and remove the ban in #ubuntu to let you participate
[16:33] <ikonia> #ubuntuforums is just another ubuntu irc channel - but that's not really relevant to resolving your current issue/ban
[16:34] <darthanubis> Well why was it mentioned then?
[16:34] <ikonia> darthanubis: I was trying to explain the process to you
[16:34] <bazhang> ikonia, one was a mute by jack_sparrow by the looks of it
[16:34] <ikonia> bazhang: yes
[16:34] <darthanubis> Geez I get that, but if it has no part of this process then.....?
[16:34] <ikonia> I'll rephrease it then as there are also marks too.
[16:35] <ikonia> darthanubis: I should say instead of bans "comments about you being an issue in the channel or your behaviour, resulting in either a comment, a ban or a mute"
[16:35] <ikonia> that is now %100 factually correct
[16:35] <darthanubis> This is amazing
[16:35] <ikonia> so, I suggest we try to arrange a time with mneptok and another op to work your curent ban through
[16:36] <darthanubis> I won't be using this channels, but I don't like being restricted in my movement
[16:36] <darthanubis> this=these
[16:36] <ikonia> if you don't want to use a channel, then you don't have an issue
[16:36] <ikonia> however you're welcome to agree to meet with mneptok and (if you want) another op to resolve the issue
[16:37] <darthanubis> yeah fine
[16:38] <darthanubis> I just said I want to resolve my being resticted in movement
[16:38] <darthanubis> whether I use it or not
[16:38] <darthanubis> am I being understood?
[16:38] <ikonia> yes,
[16:38] <ikonia> and I'm explaining what you need to do to resolve that
[16:39] <ikonia> I don't actually care if you use the channels or not
[16:39] <darthanubis> there seems to be some kind of language barrier, I don't understnad
[16:39] <darthanubis> I appreciate you taking the time to do what nonoe else would
[16:39] <ikonia> darthanubis: to get the ban removed you need to speak to mneptok and another operator to resolve the issue
[16:39] <ikonia> is that clear enough ?
[16:39] <darthanubis> I got that for the 4th time
[16:40] <darthanubis> what is the problem?
[16:40] <ikonia> well, I was telling you as you said there was a language barrier
[16:40] <ikonia> I assumed you didn't understand
[16:40] <darthanubis> I don't seem to be understood....but yeah, setup the "meeting"
[16:41] <ikonia> you're understood clearly
[16:41] <ikonia> you want to get the ban removed as you don't like being banned from a channel
[16:41] <darthanubis> right
[16:41] <ikonia> mneptok: I assume you're not active now
[16:41] <mneptok> yesssss?
[16:41] <ikonia> ahhh perfect timing
[16:41] <darthanubis> lol
[16:41] <ikonia> mneptok: do you have a moment to talk to darthanubis about his ban ?
[16:42] <mneptok> darthanubis: do you know why you were banned?
[16:42] <darthanubis> yesssssssss
[16:42] <mneptok> and?
[16:42] <darthanubis> and?
[16:42] <darthanubis> what happens now?
[16:42] <mneptok> i'd like to hear your thoughts as to why
[16:43] <mneptok> thus far, you're explanation has been that it's some sort of personal vendetta, based on my problems with ego.
[16:43] <mneptok> *your
[16:43] <darthanubis> there are no "thoughts" only facts. I used profanity. Got permanently banned for it
[16:43] <mneptok> @login
[16:44] <darthanubis> The ban length are what those comments addressed.
[16:44] <darthanubis> Which I feel is seperate for the original offense
[16:44] <darthanubis> for=from
[16:45] <darthanubis> But then reading how I'm casted as problematic as a user in the channel, I can understand why I would have been banned longer than usual
[16:46] <mneptok> 23:46 < darthanubis> iflema: watch your fucking mouth
[16:46] <mneptok> 23:46 < darthanubis> !language
[16:47] <mneptok> so, you use profanity, and then immediately trigger the factoid telling people not to use profanity
[16:47] <mneptok> why would you do that?
[16:49] <darthanubis> because I'm mental
[16:49] <darthanubis> can't you tell, I have issues?
[16:49] <mneptok> then it's a good idea that you stay banned
[16:49] <darthanubis> it happens
[16:50] <darthanubis> I know I was wrong
[16:50] <darthanubis> it won't happen again
[16:50] <darthanubis> but discriminating against mentally different people si wrong as well
[16:50] <darthanubis> Is there someone else I can resolve this with
[16:51] <ikonia> I'm watching also - so don't worry
[16:51] <darthanubis> Because it seems I have to get along with you to have the ban removed, and I don't get along with you.
[16:51]  * gnomefreak watching as much as i can
[16:51] <ikonia> mneptok: may I interupt for a moment
[16:51] <mneptok> ikonia: apparently so ;)
[16:51] <darthanubis> Which is why I ignored you.
[16:52] <mneptok> if you were, indeed, "wrong" as you say, i was not discriminating against you
[16:52] <ikonia> darthanubis: no-one is discriminating against anyone, please don't feel that. However there are 1300+ users in the channel, that don't need to be told "shut your fucking mouth" - so is there anything you can explain to use that will give us confidence you can control yourself in the channels
[16:52] <darthanubis> [11:49] <mneptok> then it's a good idea that you stay banned
[16:53] <darthanubis> after telling you I have mental issues
[16:53] <darthanubis> that is the discrimintory part
[16:53] <ikonia> darthanubis: social issues, are hard to manage, I understand that, however that doesn't giv eyou the right to abuse other people in the channels
[16:53] <mneptok> darthanubis: quite right. you say you cannot control yourself, so we'll have to do it for you.
[16:53] <ikonia> darthanubis: other people don't need to be treated like that, so if there is anything you can say to give us confidence you can control your self in the #ubuntu channel ?
[16:54]  * ikonia returns to mneptok - apologies for buttig in 
[16:54] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T15:55:25 <darthanubis> For those of you that have no idea what you are doing. Do yourselves a favor and just install Linux Mint. It IS Ubuntu, but with all the easy stuff that we repeat in this channel ad nauseum already done for you. Less questions for this channel, less headache for you.
[16:54] <mneptok> there was also this outburst in the past that got you banned
[16:54] <darthanubis> ikonia: I understand that, and I was not in the best judgement of my mood right then. But I have people working with me, to get me to a calmer place. And as I shared with you. I just want the ban removed. I don't participate anymore until I have a grip.
[16:55] <mneptok> and this one:
[16:55] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T22:13:06 <darthanubis> HymnToLife, yeah dipshit it is plugged into a ham sandwich
[16:55] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T22:13:28 <darthanubis> keep it civil with me, and you get the same
[16:55] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T22:13:37 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o HymnToLife
[16:55] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T22:13:48 <darthanubis> abuse of power
[16:55] <mneptok> 2009-06-02T22:13:53 *** HymnToLife sets mode: +b *!*n=anubis@unaffiliated/darthanubi
[16:55] <darthanubis> Well he abused his power
[16:55] <ikonia> no - you where rude
[16:56] <darthanubis> what did I saw that warrented being called a dipshit
[16:56] <ikonia> that's not an abuse of power
[16:56] <ikonia> ugh, sorry - didn't mean to interupt
[16:56] <darthanubis> and I thought that unrelaed channel has no relevancy
[16:56] <darthanubis> ikonia: ther eit goes again
[16:56] <mneptok> darthanubis: you have a history of being profane, disruptive, unhelpful, disrespectful, and combative
[16:57] <darthanubis> I got banned for mentioning Mint, which I see mentioned ALL the time, yet no one gets BANNED for doing so, warned maybe
[16:57] <darthanubis> mneptok: that is a bunch of BS
[16:57] <mneptok> darthanubis: and nothing you have said here today gives me (or probably anyone else) any confidence that such behavior is likely to change
[16:57] <darthanubis> mneptok: you've answered none of my questions
[16:57] <darthanubis> mneptok: you've only flexed your muscle
[16:58] <darthanubis> ikonia: rude in what way
[16:58] <darthanubis> ikonia: can we just continue, because you are at least in an honest exchange with me?
[16:59] <ikonia> darthanubis: do you understand that calling someone a "dipshit" is rude and offensive ?
[17:00] <darthanubis> ikonia: The guy called me a name , I thought it was then open to reply
[17:00] <darthanubis> Why is that not pasted for all to read
[17:00] <ikonia> darthanubis: no - forget what other people do
[17:01] <ikonia> deal with your own behaviour only
[17:01] <darthanubis> Context, that is what I meant about keeping the record accurate earlier
[17:01] <ikonia> darthanubis: we have full logs
[17:01] <darthanubis> well use them
[17:01] <ikonia> I did
[17:01] <darthanubis> I'm trying to deal with the rules
[17:01] <darthanubis> and how they apply to some oand not others
[17:01] <ikonia> darthanubis: they apply to everyone
[17:01] <darthanubis> and when some with power feel like using or abusing them
[17:02] <ikonia> darthanubis: no-one has abused power - you swear/use offensive behaviour towards people - you have been removed
[17:02] <mneptok> darthanubis: do you feel i abused my ops when banning you?
[17:02] <ikonia> that is not an abuse of power
[17:02] <darthanubis> and for how long, and nothing is posted to be follwed.
[17:02] <ikonia> darthanubis: until people have confidence that you can be in a channel without being rude/offensive/swear at people
[17:03] <ikonia> darthanubis: eg: until you are no longer doing what got you banned
[17:03] <darthanubis> mneptok: No. I feeling keeping me banned over an overzealous specious reading of the history of my username out of context is abusive, and narrow minded.
[17:03] <ikonia> darthanubis: keeping you banned is because we have not agreed how you can not be abusive to people in the channel
[17:04] <mneptok> darthanubis: nothing you have said gives anyone any confidence you will not repeat the behavior. that's why you stay banned.
[17:04] <darthanubis> Now, I'm being told, nevermind others follwoing or not follwoing the rules we agree or not to enforce. Just do what we say. I get it, it's you guys playground.
[17:04] <darthanubis> mneptok: What is this"anyone"
[17:05] <darthanubis> I asked if you spoke for the group. I was told no
[17:05] <darthanubis> Yet here you speak for the collective.
[17:05] <bazhang> other operators present
[17:05] <Myrtti> ohai.
[17:05] <knome> hello Myrtti.
[17:05] <gnomefreak> hi Myrtti
[17:05] <bazhang> banforwards do not seem to register with the bansearch function
[17:05] <darthanubis> And what have I done in this exchange to prove I'm a menace to society?
[17:06] <bazhang> ie Cann0n
[17:06] <mneptok> anyone disagree with my perception that darthanubis cannot be trusted to not repeat the behaviors that have caused him problems?
[17:06] <mneptok> anyone? Bueller?
[17:07] <darthanubis> I should be judged bases on the offense. And the offense should have a specific punishment, and be adhereded to. Anything less, makes you guys seems unfair.
[17:07]  * gnomefreak doesnt
[17:07] <darthanubis> Hence my comments previosuly about the abuse of power.
[17:08] <darthanubis> I've been open and honest and civil with you all today.
[17:08] <darthanubis> It has not been easy being accused of being someone I'm not based on some random bans.
[17:09] <darthanubis> But the one ban that got me here, I;ve taken responsibilty for.
[17:09] <darthanubis> I showed remorese
[17:09] <darthanubis> remorse
[17:09] <darthanubis> The "justice" system does not require as muchas being asked here.
[17:10] <ikonia> darthanubis: if I can interupt for a second
[17:10] <knome> to be fair, i've seen darthanubis in #xubuntu and we've had no problems with him.
[17:10] <mneptok> "i was wrong, but i'm mental. this stuff happens."
[17:10] <ikonia> knome: valuable
[17:10] <darthanubis> There usually is mercy, or benevolence on the part of the judge(s)
[17:10] <knome> though i can't take a stand on the #ubuntu stuff, since i haven't been there.
[17:10] <darthanubis> I'm in #kubuntu, ,and help as muchas I can. As well as #ubuntu+1
[17:11] <mneptok> that's certainly remorse, but it does nothing to assuage fears that the same behavior will just be repeated
[17:11] <darthanubis> I file bugs, I'm a part of the community, not some fly-by troll
[17:11] <ikonia> darthanubis: you've said you have social issues, which I fully understand and want to work with you on, however, as you've openly said you don't want to use these channels may I suggest you use the other ubuntu channels to prove you can control your behaviour as knome has just suggested
[17:11] <ikonia> darthanubis: no-one is suggesting you are a troll
[17:11] <ikonia> darthanubis: however 1300+ in each channel don't need to see - nor is it fair to subject them to random outbursts
[17:11] <darthanubis> ikonia: I'm using #kubuntu
[17:11] <darthanubis> Have been since the ban
[17:12] <ikonia> darthanubis: you've said you don't want to use #ubuntu - so I suggest for the moment you don't use #ubuntu and work in the other channels to show your behaviour, then if you want, return here in say a months time and we'll look at removing the ban
[17:12] <ikonia> how does that sound ?
[17:12] <darthanubis> ikonia: one outburst, can't fairly be seen as random now can it
[17:12] <darthanubis> come on
[17:12] <ikonia> darthanubis: it's not one outburst
[17:12] <mneptok> it's not one outburst, as my previous pastes cearly show
[17:12] <ikonia> darthanubis: it's one outburst for this ban, there are other notes on you
[17:12] <mneptok> +l
[17:13] <darthanubis> mneptok: your paste are out of conteext
[17:13] <darthanubis> the profanity was ONE offense
[17:13] <ikonia> darthanubis: so work with #kubuntu and other ubuntu channels to show you can control yourself - knome seems happy with you in #xbuntu and lets review it in 1 month from today
[17:13] <darthanubis> a month
[17:13] <mneptok> darthanubis: the context is there for all to see, both in the bantracker and official logs
[17:13] <darthanubis> I've been banned a month already
[17:14] <ikonia> darthanubis: yes, that's a good time to show you can control yourself and you said yourseslf you don't care about the channel
[17:14] <ikonia> darthanubis: you've been banned 14 days
[17:14] <darthanubis> ikonia: what I said concerning using the channel should work for me in this instance not against
[17:14] <darthanubis> ikonia: your logic is twisted
[17:14] <ikonia> darthanubis: if you're not bothered about the channel -- lets use the month as a triel in the other channels and re-visit
[17:14] <darthanubis> I said I have social issues, I'm not retarded
[17:15] <ikonia> ok - then it should be easy to understand this concept
[17:15] <darthanubis> ikonia: Your use of the concept is flawed, is that easy enough to understand.
[17:15] <darthanubis> If I have been banned one month already, why another month
[17:15] <ikonia> darthanubis: your logic is flawed as you said you don't want to use the channel
[17:16] <ikonia> this should not be a problem
[17:16] <ikonia> you've been banned 14 days
[17:16] <ikonia> sorry 16
[17:16] <ikonia> miss-read
[17:16] <darthanubis> Not using the channel is self restraint whichis what I was asked to demonstrate
[17:16] <ikonia> no - you're banned - that's stops you using the channel
[17:16] <darthanubis> I offered to restrain myself from the channel
[17:17] <darthanubis> As the offending OP claimed I could not do
[17:17] <ikonia> however, as I said, I'm willing to put a note against you to say "if there are no problems in the month you can have the ban reviewed"
[17:17] <darthanubis> I'll take whatever positive note against the garbage that is in there
[17:17] <ikonia> darthanubis: thats the deal I'm suggesting - show you can control yourself as you do in #xubuntu (knome seems happy to vouch for you) and we'll review it in a month
[17:17] <darthanubis> knome: I appreciate that btw
[17:18] <knome> darthanubis, no problem. :)
[17:18] <darthanubis> "review"
[17:18] <ikonia> yes
[17:18] <ikonia> which is all is good - remove the ban
[17:18] <darthanubis> But I'm coming away witha BAD taste in my mouth in dealing with you guys.
[17:18] <ikonia> I'm noy enjoying dealing with you either, however I am trying to resolve the issue for you
[17:18] <darthanubis> But, I'm sure it is just me
[17:18] <ikonia> it is
[17:19] <darthanubis> Parting shot
[17:19] <ikonia> I'm trying to cut you a lot of slack here
[17:19] <darthanubis> Sure you are
[17:19] <ikonia> ok - your parting shot has just ended this for me
[17:19] <ikonia> darthanubis: I have no interest in dicussing your ban further - I'm trying to help you and I'm just getting attitude
[17:19] <darthanubis> You took a parting shot at me
[17:19] <ikonia> I'm not lifting the ban due to your attitude
[17:19] <darthanubis> We have been misunderingstanding each other all day
[17:19] <ikonia> no - I understand clearly
[17:20] <darthanubis> I say it probably is me, and you say "it is"
[17:20] <ikonia> yes - "it is just you"
[17:20] <darthanubis> But I have the bad attitude?
[17:20] <ikonia> yes
[17:20] <darthanubis> This is what I'm talkin gabout
[17:20] <ikonia> so I'm done
[17:20] <darthanubis> If I already take repsonsibilty what was theneed to throw it in my face?
[17:20] <knome> darthanubis, please do understand that waiting for one month for a new review is a quite good offer. really.
[17:21] <darthanubis> knome: I accepted
[17:21] <ikonia> with attitude
[17:21] <ikonia> telling us about bad tastes, abuse of power, etc etc
[17:21] <ikonia> when in reality - you have a social issue which at this time you cannot control
[17:21] <darthanubis> but because I repsonded to a percieved insult, then its done
[17:21] <darthanubis> you don't want to hear my opinion of my experiences
[17:22] <darthanubis> you want a one way street
[17:22] <ikonia> I've listened very carefully
[17:22] <ikonia> and as I said - tried to cut you a lot of slack
[17:22] <darthanubis> and because I don't lay down I'm problematic
[17:22] <ikonia> I don't want you to lay down
[17:22] <ikonia> I understand your issue whcih is why I was trying to work with you
[17:22] <ikonia> but I can only go so far -
[17:22] <darthanubis> again, all  I did was opine about my treat as I see it
[17:22] <darthanubis> you don't have to agree
[17:23] <darthanubis> but to label someone you know zero about, it absurd
[17:23] <ikonia> no-one has labled you
[17:23] <ikonia> just working on fact
[17:23] <darthanubis> opinion
[17:23] <ikonia> no - fact
[17:23] <darthanubis> but when you controll the medium you control what is your fact
[17:24] <ikonia> I don't control your behaviour - you control that -
[17:24] <darthanubis> we have a mutal disrespect of opinion
[17:24] <darthanubis> yeah, doc, it is my behavior
[17:24] <ikonia> I don't disrepsect you in any way - in fact I've tried very hard to not take offence at your attitude
[17:24] <darthanubis> totally
[17:25] <darthanubis> Who would not have an attitude about this exchange
[17:25] <ikonia> however, I've tried to resolve an issue for you, and broker a situation to get the ban removed but I'm tired of your attitude - so I'm going to leave it now
[17:25] <darthanubis> I take your offer, and you go on some tangent
[17:25] <darthanubis> I took the offer
[17:25] <darthanubis> can I leave the channel now
[17:25] <bazhang> yep
[17:25] <Myrtti> feel free
[17:25] <darthanubis> or are you still soapboxing me to death
[17:26] <knome> darthanubis, you are free to leave. see you in a month - with both sides having a bit better day maybe :)
[17:26] <bazhang> should file a bug to get the appropriate namespace for -es installs to join #ubuntu-es (for example) by default
[17:27] <darthanubis> knome: you seem to be a good person. But I realize after today, no ban will be removed. I'll have to change my IP and mask if I really want in. There is no more "help" forthcoming.
[17:27] <Myrtti> bazhang: most of those people are guadalinex users prolly
[17:27] <gnomefreak> oh that doesnt help you get unbanned
[17:28] <bazhang> Myrtti, good point
[17:28] <knome> well...
[17:28] <Myrtti> and there already is a bugreport
[17:28] <bazhang> thought the offer was rescinded
[17:28] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops darthanubis stimking attitude and threats to ban evade - do not unban without serious thought
[17:28] <gnomefreak> oh cool
[17:28] <knome> now he joined #xubuntu. maybe more to follow :)
[17:29] <bazhang> oh the drama
[17:29] <gnomefreak> he never left +1 AFAIK
[17:29] <ikonia> don't care what other channels he's in as long as he doesn't display that attitude
[17:29] <bazhang> nice try mneptok ikonia
[17:30] <jussi01> he isnt that bad, just goes off the deepend sometimes.
[17:30] <ikonia> I don't think he's bad to be honest, I've seen him behave fine
[17:31] <ikonia> that said his attitude towards people in here - and randomly in other #ubuntu instances stunk
[17:32] <Myrtti> charlie-tca: welcome to the madhouse
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Gee, thanks
[17:32]  * mneptok plays with his lower lip in the corner
[17:37] <jussi01> Just a reminder, if anyone sees an op of a core channel that isnt here, please remind them they are now expected to idle here - if they havent voice have them ping me or another ircc member and we will sort it.
[17:38] <knome> jussi01, where do we have the list of the core changs?
[17:38] <knome> *chans
[17:38] <knome> umm
[17:38] <knome> *core chan ops
[17:38] <knome> :P
[17:38] <jussi01> knome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope
[18:24] <Myrtti> I'll smack AlienDK soon
[18:25] <mneptok> Myrtti: race you.
[18:25] <Myrtti> I've been watching him for couple of days now and he's not doing too well
[18:26] <jpds> mneptok: Haha.
[18:49] <Myrtti> whoa
[18:49] <Myrtti> [20:48] < magicjoe> ok sorry. so i have ubuntu 5.1 installed on my ibook G4  PPC, OSX 10.4.11, through virtual PC 7. the screen  resolution is set to 640 x 800. Its so huge i have to  scroll over to see it all. any way to fix this?
[18:50] <Myrtti> 5.10? srsly?
[18:51] <knome> answer: install a newer version
[18:51] <knome> :P
[18:51] <Myrtti> !ppc