| dpm | cjohnston, sorry for the late notice, but would you mind delaying the meeting in ~1h by 30 mins? | 15:09 |
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| cjohnston | dpm: to what time please? | 15:27 |
| dpm | cjohnston, 16:30 UTC (just 30 mins delayed) | 15:28 |
| cjohnston | I thought we already had delayed it to 1630 for newz2000 | 15:29 |
| dpm | cjohnston, ah, that's fine then, you already talked :) | 15:29 |
| cjohnston | yup | 15:29 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 15:29 |
| dpm | ok, yeah, that was it, then :) | 15:29 |
| cjohnston | okie.. see ya in an hour | 15:30 |
| dpm | yep | 15:30 |
| cjohnston | I'm here, whenever you two are ready.. :-) | 16:21 |
| cjohnston | No rush | 16:21 |
| newz2000 | hi, will be ready in 5 min or less | 16:25 |
| dpm | ok, I'm all set | 16:30 |
| dpm | cjohnston, newz2000: so, on the last meeting we were saying that cjohnston would be the driver for this project, and that we'd need a spec for understanding what's involved, discussion and coordinating the work | 16:31 |
| dpm | cjohnston, I see you've created a blueprint and added some actions at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+spec/website-localization/, thanks a lot for that. | 16:31 |
| newz2000 | ok, I'm ready | 16:31 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 16:32 |
| cjohnston | first time making a spec, so i hope its decient | 16:32 |
| dpm | sure, I hope you had fun with blueprints in LP :) | 16:33 |
| cjohnston | I've done another one now too.. And that project is going quite well..:-) | 16:33 |
| dpm | However, there is still one pending item we talked about: having a spec in the wiki linked to the blueprint, following (more or less) the template at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate | 16:33 |
| dpm | The same thing we do at UDSs when we flesh out the roadmaps for each team. | 16:34 |
| dpm | Here's an example: | 16:34 |
| dpm | Blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-community-testing-translations | 16:34 |
| dpm | Spec: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/TestingForTranslations | 16:34 |
| dpm | We could reuse the existing page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization/Roadmap, but it might need to be expanded a bit | 16:35 |
| cjohnston | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization/Spec | 16:35 |
| dpm | cjohnston, ah, I mixed up the pages... great, there is a spec in the wiki as well :) | 16:36 |
| * newz2000 had not seen that yet | 16:36 | |
| cjohnston | I added the spec to the blueprint | 16:36 |
| newz2000 | that looks like a fair summary | 16:36 |
| dpm | cjohnston, ah, you've just linked it now. I read the blueprint this morning and I coldn't see it. Great, that looks good | 16:37 |
| cjohnston | ty | 16:37 |
| cjohnston | Didn't know about linking it.. hehe | 16:37 |
| cjohnston | The spec I do believe was in the email though. :-) | 16:37 |
| dpm | yeah, I went straight to the blueprint, though | 16:38 |
| cjohnston | lol | 16:38 |
| cjohnston | All good | 16:38 |
| dpm | ok, that's what we need to get the ball rolling | 16:38 |
| newz2000 | dpm: you mentioned a concern about burdening some of the people who will be working on this | 16:39 |
| newz2000 | (during a normally busy period of time) | 16:39 |
| dpm | yeah, we're aproaching Lucid | 16:39 |
| dpm | and people is getting more and more busy | 16:39 |
| cjohnston | I have a question.. Do we want to put this on the M cycle then? | 16:40 |
| cjohnston | Use UDS as a launching point? I don't know if newz2000 is ok with this | 16:40 |
| newz2000 | I'm OK w/ it but: | 16:40 |
| newz2000 | a: I don't know that all people who will particpate will be at UDS, so we may use it as a milestone, not a locastion | 16:41 |
| newz2000 | b: I think we have untapped technical potential that is not tied up w/ Lucid launch | 16:41 |
| newz2000 | (so we may be able to start earlier on that side if we want) | 16:41 |
| newz2000 | (that's it) | 16:42 |
| cjohnston | I am up for whatever... | 16:42 |
| dpm | I think we can start with an announcement, and see how it goes, but simply not commit with Lucid from the start | 16:42 |
| newz2000 | yeah, I'm totally in favour of that | 16:42 |
| newz2000 | cjohnston: didn't you suggest targeting May? | 16:42 |
| dpm | newz2000, where do you think we can coordinate this? would the ubuntu-website mailing list be a good place? | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | I think that would be excellent | 16:43 |
| cjohnston | That was my thought, that way people can still focus on Lucid.. I don't know how much work this is going to be, and the possibility of taking away from Lucid | 16:43 |
| newz2000 | Does it make sense to deliver the technical implemetnation first and then do the tranlsations as step 2? | 16:44 |
| cjohnston | IMO, without the translations, there is no need for technical implementation | 16:44 |
| newz2000 | ok | 16:44 |
| cjohnston | but thats just my opinion | 16:45 |
| newz2000 | you're leading this. :-) | 16:45 |
| dpm | cjohnston, there is some work to do in setting up a project in LP and exposing the translations, but I think it should not be much of a problem | 16:46 |
| cjohnston | you two both have more experience though... So if you recommend something, its more than anything I have to go off of. | 16:46 |
| newz2000 | Let me ask you a question... | 16:46 |
| newz2000 | if we have only one or two languages but otherwise it's working, do you think it will be good enough to launch? | 16:47 |
| cjohnston | Yes. | 16:47 |
| newz2000 | (and add translations as they come on) | 16:47 |
| newz2000 | The implication is that it needs to work first and foremost, and have at least one or two translations | 16:47 |
| dpm | newz2000, yes, but I'm pretty certain that when the technical implementation is working, we'll get lots more of just two :) | 16:47 |
| dpm | lots more of just than 2 translations, I meant | 16:48 |
| cjohnston | Right.. I think we need some sort of translations as a start... Then implement it.. and get the word out.. | 16:48 |
| newz2000 | right, my point is that the technical part may be more critical | 16:48 |
| cjohnston | and then get more tanslations | 16:48 |
| cjohnston | I see what your saying | 16:48 |
| dpm | I agree with newz2000, the implementation is what's most important here | 16:48 |
| cjohnston | Okie then... | 16:49 |
| dpm | I can provide a couple of translations for testing, that wouldn't be a problem | 16:49 |
| cjohnston | Ok.. | 16:49 |
| newz2000 | ok, that's cool | 16:50 |
| dpm | and I'm sure other Ubuntu translators will as well | 16:50 |
| newz2000 | Even partial translations can be used for testing | 16:50 |
| cjohnston | Technically: This page is the X language can be used for testing | 16:50 |
| newz2000 | true | 16:50 |
| newz2000 | So before translations can start there needs to be a source to translate from | 16:51 |
| cjohnston | Plus that would allowe me to see it works right.. lol | 16:51 |
| cjohnston | Correct. | 16:51 |
| newz2000 | what was decided regarding ES where there are many loco teams and a variety of resources? | 16:51 |
| cjohnston | I don't remember there being any specific decisions.. | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | Do we create one ES page that lists all the resources? | 16:52 |
| cjohnston | I remember what you and I had talked about was trying to get as many as possible.... and then if there is none specific to what the user has default fall back on the default es | 16:52 |
| dpm | newz2000, we can put it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebsiteLocalization/Spec#Unresolved Issues, we'd need more input from LoCos for that | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | ok. | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | cjohnston: would you do that? | 16:52 |
| newz2000 | My question about it is: | 16:53 |
| cjohnston | yup | 16:53 |
| newz2000 | if we choose to have es-mx and mx has few resources, would it be better to show them all of es? | 16:53 |
| cjohnston | hmm | 16:54 |
| dpm | Some big teams have got a central | 16:54 |
| dpm | coordination forum or mailing list | 16:54 |
| dpm | so perhaps they could be directed to that | 16:54 |
| cjohnston | But then the other issue, es-mx and es-something else, the same word has two different meanings | 16:54 |
| newz2000 | right. How bad is this? Can it be avoided using careful wording? | 16:55 |
| cjohnston | I don't know.. | 16:55 |
| * newz2000 doesn't expect you to know, just a question | 16:55 | |
| cjohnston | I know I run into the issue with my line of work | 16:55 |
| cjohnston | and thats why I bring it up | 16:55 |
| dpm | newz2000, it can be avoided using the standard variant of the language | 16:55 |
| newz2000 | ok, that's good | 16:56 |
| newz2000 | So we need to identify what languages this could be problematic for | 16:56 |
| dpm | The Spanish translation team uses the same variant for all countries/regions. | 16:56 |
| newz2000 | I know Spanish and English both need to address it | 16:56 |
| dpm | -> another action for the spec | 16:56 |
| newz2000 | (and yes, i'm suggesting there be an EN translation too :-) ) | 16:56 |
| cjohnston | then that would probably be bestoh no | 16:56 |
| cjohnston | lol | 16:56 |
| dpm | yeah, en_GB | 16:57 |
| cjohnston | umm | 16:57 |
| cjohnston | dunno what I was saying | 16:57 |
| newz2000 | btw, my reasoning for there being an EN translation is so that this script can be used by the loco teams that don't speak English | 16:57 |
| dpm | ok | 16:57 |
| newz2000 | so what are the next action items? | 16:58 |
| dpm | I must go in a few minutes, shall we wrap up with a summary of what we've discussed? Otherwise, you two can continue after me, I'll read the logs | 16:58 |
| cjohnston | I'm adding the Unresolved Issue of how to handle languages with multiple LoCo teams... | 16:59 |
| newz2000 | also what languages need to deal w/ multiple locale dialects (or whatever the proper name for taht is) | 16:59 |
| cjohnston | Need to create an LP project. | 16:59 |
| newz2000 | we need to create a source document | 16:59 |
| cjohnston | Use the website ML for communication | 17:00 |
| newz2000 | I will submit a visual mock-up for what I see the end result looking like | 17:01 |
| cjohnston | Create a LP project | 17:01 |
| cjohnston | I think that's about it? | 17:01 |
| dpm | newz2000, I think that would be a great help | 17:01 |
| dpm | the visual mock-up | 17:01 |
| newz2000 | also decide on the final URL structure for translated docs | 17:02 |
| newz2000 | (that needs to be done) | 17:02 |
| cjohnston | Yup. | 17:02 |
| dpm | another item for unresolved issues (or pending discussion) | 17:03 |
| dpm | we can start with regular meetings as well, what do you think? | 17:03 |
| cjohnston | I'm fine with that. | 17:04 |
| newz2000 | when will the next meeting be? Same time (as originally scheduled)? | 17:04 |
| dpm | biweekly meetings would be fine for you guys? | 17:05 |
| cjohnston | In two weeks I will be on a beach with a beer in my hand | 17:05 |
| cjohnston | ;-) | 17:05 |
| cjohnston | And my wife would kill me if I got online for a meeting | 17:05 |
| dpm | no worries | 17:06 |
| cjohnston | Ooo.. I could talk to some poeple about es_MX tho | 17:06 |
| cjohnston | lol | 17:06 |
| newz2000 | :-) Lets meet next week to discuss the technical bits. dpm need not attend I think. | 17:06 |
| newz2000 | Actually, cjohnston: lets aim for Thursday | 17:07 |
| cjohnston | newz2000: I'm open.. Your call | 17:07 |
| newz2000 | cjohnston: ok. before lunch or after? | 17:07 |
| cjohnston | Doesn't matter | 17:07 |
| dpm | newz2000, sounds good to me. I can be there if I've got time, but I'm also fine with skipping if you don't need me on that one | 17:07 |
| cjohnston | dpm: we always need you.. ;-) | 17:08 |
| dpm | :) | 17:08 |
| cjohnston | lol | 17:08 |
| newz2000 | cjohnston: either 11:30 your time or 3:00 your time? | 17:08 |
| dpm | ok, I really need to go now. Is everyone clear with the plan before the next meeting, then? | 17:08 |
| cjohnston | Yup.. Thanks dpm ! | 17:08 |
| newz2000 | dpm: yep, thanks a bunch | 17:08 |
| cjohnston | 1130 newz2000 | 17:08 |
| newz2000 | ok, got it on my calendar | 17:09 |
| dpm | no worries | 17:09 |
| dpm | have a great weekend! | 17:09 |
| cjohnston | You too dpm !! | 17:09 |
| newz2000 | great. It sounds like we're a little close to action. | 17:10 |
| newz2000 | I'm working on a screenshot now | 17:10 |
| cjohnston | Cool.. | 17:10 |
| cjohnston | newz2000: so should I take and create a seperate LP project from the ubuntu-website project then? | 17:10 |
| * newz2000 ponders | 17:11 | |
| newz2000 | I'm not sure | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | Yeah, maybe | 17:11 |
| newz2000 | to avoid intermingling bugs | 17:11 |
| cjohnston | ok | 17:11 |
| cjohnston | website-localization too long? | 17:12 |
| newz2000 | cjohnston: no, I don't think so | 17:15 |
| cjohnston | ok | 17:16 |
| cjohnston | https://edge.launchpad.net/website-localization | 17:17 |
| newz2000 | cool. I'll upload my graphic to the wiki, but first I must catch the IS team before they leave for the day | 17:18 |
| cjohnston | yup | 17:19 |
| cjohnston | I'm about to take off.. We can catch up later if your still around | 17:19 |
| newz2000 | ok, sounds good | 17:20 |
| cjohnston | howdy | 22:02 |
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