[06:52] <AlanBell> nice cloak Pendulum!
[08:17] <dholbach> good morning
[10:45] <Pendulum> AlanBell: thanks :)
[10:51] <AlanBell> there are now 558 Ubuntu Members
[10:51] <czajkowski> nice
[10:53] <AlanBell> 25 of which are women
[10:53] <AlanBell> although I did think we were up to 26 now, so I will have to check that
[10:53] <czajkowski> is that all :(
[10:54] <AlanBell> the overall percentage hasn't changed much since UDS-M
[10:55] <czajkowski> well it won't really I guess as many more men go for membership then women
[10:56] <rww> AlanBell: I assume you mean UDS-L?
[10:56] <Pendulum> yeah :-/
[10:57] <nigelb> rww: congrats :)
[10:57] <rww> thanks :)
[10:57]  * nigelb is preparing wiki
[10:58] <nigelb> I realized I've done quite a bit which hasn't gone into the wiki
[10:58] <Pendulum> nigelb: I started my wiki early so that when I decided to go for membership it wouldn't need any work (this also made things like my wiki page for UW leader easier) and pretty much just listed out everything I'd done
[10:58] <Pendulum> then thought about things and listed out some more
[10:58] <czajkowski> that and me nagging
[10:58] <czajkowski> :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> works wonders
[10:59] <nigelb> Pendulum: its just that after user days I really didn't update my wiki
[10:59] <Pendulum> also, feel free to pick up the wiki formatting of someone who has already gone for membership (successfully)
[10:59] <Pendulum> I picked up czajkowski's
[11:00] <nigelb> I picked up joeb's wiki ;)
[11:00] <czajkowski> having the wiki laid out well is half the battle as far as I can see
[11:00] <AlanBell> rww yes, UDS-L
[11:00] <nigelb> yeah, I've seen popey give out -1 before end of introduction because wiki is badly formatted
[11:01] <popey> thats not true
[11:01] <popey> its not bad formatting
[11:01] <popey> its lack of content
[11:01] <nigelb> yeah, that too ;)
[11:01] <nigelb> most of the time they go hand in hand
[11:01] <popey> even I'm not _that_ bad
[11:01] <nigelb> lol
[11:01] <nigelb> btw, is there any problem if I ask for memership with another regional membership board?
[11:01] <Pendulum> nope
[11:01] <nigelb> I dont think I'll be able to make the time of the my membership board
[11:02] <Pendulum> I went with Americas because I knew I was most likely to be able to make an Americas board meeting
[11:02] <Daviey> If you got rejected by one board, jumping straight to the next regional board might be a problem :)
[11:02] <nigelb> lol, no.  I dont intend to do that ;)
[11:02] <Pendulum> I considered going with EMEA, though, because at the time Americas didn't have a scheduled meeting
[11:02] <nigelb> pleia2: ^ lol
[11:03] <nigelb> bah, she i'll still be sleeping
[11:03] <rww> Yeah, the Californians are all /theoretically/ asleep right now >.>
[11:03] <Pendulum> I'm sure she's sleeping
[11:05] <nigelb> rww: except for you?
[11:05] <rww> nigelb: indeed
[11:05] <nigelb> hehe :)
[11:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: I could use some testimonial love :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu
[11:27] <nigelb> and lemme know if I should be changing anything
[11:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: you'll get some when I am more awake :)
[11:27] <nigelb> hehe
[11:29] <nigelb> czajkowski, popey, AlanBell: could take some time to leave a testimonial? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NigelBabu
[11:29] <nigelb> (and do point out mistakes, changes)
[11:32] <popey> I'm sorry, I think it's best I dont. I have stopped putting testimonials on peoples pages. it can be akward, what with me being one of the regional message boards, so I generally only leave testimonials for people I know _really_ well or worked very closely with. sorry
[11:32] <nigelb> popey: np
[11:32] <nigelb> popey: anything I should correct though?
[11:33] <nigelb> ugh! all the people I work with are in bed now ;)
[11:33] <AlanBell> I will have a look later nigelb
[11:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: thanks :)
[11:34] <popey> nigelb: i would put a more direct link to the course you wrote
[11:34] <popey> it's hard to rummage around in bzr during a meeting
[11:34] <popey> preferably if you have a pdf or something, that would be better
[11:34] <nigelb> the course is in bzr
[11:34] <popey> yes
[11:34] <nigelb> its not yet in pdf
[11:34] <popey> "it's hard to rummage around in bzr during a meeting"
[11:35] <popey> can you not generate a pdf?
[11:35] <nigelb> hm, I'll generate a pdf and attach
[11:41] <wintellect> \o
[11:58] <nigelb> popey: looks like the music store is going to give me plenty of work.. its going to use rhythmbox which I triage :)
[11:58] <nigelb> I just got around to closing some of the very old ones, looks like its going to be 'all hands on deck' :p
[12:07] <AlanBell> ick, those bugs will be full of cross people
[12:08] <AlanBell> "I paid for song foo and it didn't turn up, Ubuntu steals songs and kills kittens"
[12:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: lol, I get that already
[12:20] <wintellect> Will the UbuntuOneStore be accessible from a browser - or will you *need* Rhythmbox to get to the music?
[12:21] <rww> wintellect: I believe it's browser-accessible
[12:21] <wintellect> cool
[12:21] <czajkowski> rww: congrats on your membership, I didn't realise you were up last night also
[12:22] <rww> czajkowski: thanks :). Yep, it was quite the party. Three other people I know/am acquainted with were on the agenda.
[12:22] <czajkowski> heh good stuff
[12:23] <Pendulum> I think I knew 2 others
[12:23] <Pendulum> it was a nice group
[12:23] <Pendulum> I like meetings where everyone is on their stuff and gets approved :)
[12:24] <rww> I know h00k from #ubuntu-offtopic, and Yasumoto (who they didn't get to) is an awesome member of the California LoCo
[12:25] <rww> Pendulum: yeah, things were a lot smoother than the other times I've looked in on membership meetings
[12:25] <Pendulum> I've looked in on a lot of meetings some of which went smoothly and some of which were just painful
[12:26] <Pendulum> (I've only missed one EMEA or Americas board meeting since I think UDS)
[12:26] <popey> 12:21:02 < rww> wintellect: I believe it's browser-accessible
[12:26] <popey> it isnt
[12:26] <nigelb> Pendulum: thats the first meeting I saw where everyone was accepted.
[12:26] <popey> well, it's accessible, but you can't downloads songs from it
[12:27] <nigelb> Pendulum: I've seen a couple where no one was
[12:27] <AlanBell> http://spreadsheets.google.com/oimg?key=0Ankl5FhsdSiZdGVNalVUX0E5OVBTSmtQay1IMnJNd0E&oid=1&v=1259878034620
[12:27] <nigelb> popey: so you need banshee or rhythmbox... right?
[12:27] <popey> rhythmbox
[12:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: so have I and I can't remember if I've ever seen a meeting before where everyone was accepted
[12:27] <popey> AlanBell / nigelb those bugs about the store should be directed to rhythmbox-ubuntuone-musicstore package, not rhythmbox
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: target was 0?
[12:27] <AlanBell> no targets have been set
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell: high time we did ;)
[12:28] <nigelb> popey: ah, lucky then :)
[12:28] <rww> popey, wintellect: Ah, indeed. It appears I misread a FAQ entry talking about the Ubuntu One (syncing) website.
[12:28] <popey> nigelb: other media players can implement it if they want to
[12:28] <nigelb> popey: I was reading specs a few days back, and thought I saw banshee
[12:29] <popey> banshee has been approved, so developers can start writing the plugin
[12:29] <popey> amarok too
[12:29] <AlanBell> popey: so when you buy a song it gets delivered to the U1 server and then down to your computers? not down to the computer then back up to U1?
[12:29] <popey> yes
[12:30] <AlanBell> nigelb: high time indeed, I am not going to disagree with you on that point.
[12:30] <nigelb> AlanBell: I think 1 per month to a total of 6 per cycle is a not too bad target for now
[12:35] <AlanBell> I would be happy with any specific and realistic target agreed upon by the group
[12:36] <AlanBell> it wasn't a blueprint item from the last UDS, so isn't really on the agenda for this cycle I guess
[12:41] <nigelb> we should probably remind someone to think about it next time
[12:42] <nigelb> its easier to measure progress when we have quantifiable goals to achieve
[12:42] <Pendulum> stick it on a meeting agenda
[12:42] <nigelb> I never make it to UW meetings, its always when I'm at work :p
[12:45] <nigelb> wow, I got a german visitor on my blog and he/she's left a comment in german
[12:46] <wintellect> have you translated the comment to ensure it's not spam? (no offence intended)
[12:47] <nigelb> yep
[12:47] <nigelb> which is why I'm surprised
[12:47] <nigelb> I thought it was spam initially
[12:47] <nigelb> bah, it is spam :p
[12:47] <wintellect> :(
[12:48] <nigelb> well the comment wasn't, but his website is something to do with porn...
[12:48] <popey> happens all the time, which is why i use akismet
[12:48] <nigelb> I do use askimet, but somehow it missed this one
[12:50] <nigelb> popey: I like your new intro page
[12:50] <popey> thanks
[12:50] <popey> was made for me by a friend
[12:51] <nigelb> I generally read via feedreader, recently saw that page
[13:03] <AlanBell> [15:57:11] <pleia2> [ACTION] Percentage goal decision to be discussed further
[13:03] <AlanBell> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-women.log.20100107_1501.html
[13:05] <AlanBell> so I guess it is an action arising from a previous meeting still
[13:09] <nigelb> AlanBell: we probably just need to remind pleia2 :)
[13:10] <nigelb> I think numbers would be better though
[13:10] <AlanBell> I think we just have
[13:10] <nigelb> hehe
[13:10] <AlanBell> I added it to the agenda
[13:10] <nigelb> I wanna make it to the next meeting at least
[13:10] <AlanBell> I will provide an update on the current status at the next meeting
[13:11] <nigelb> AlanBell: issyl0 is going for membership next month, so might be on the way to 1 per month ;)
[13:12] <AlanBell> topic
[13:12] <AlanBell> bah
[13:12] <nigelb> huh?
[13:12] <AlanBell> ooh tight schedule!
[13:13] <AlanBell> emea board meets at 20:00 on the 2nd, U-W meeting is at 21:00 on the 2nd
[13:14] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kinouchou
[13:14] <nigelb> hehe, thats really tight
[13:14] <AlanBell> that will be a visible blip in the chart (if all goes to plan)
[13:15] <nigelb> I still think we need to take the percentages
[13:15] <nigelb> out
[13:16] <nigelb> bah, lemme format it right.  I think we need to take the percentages out and work with solid numbers
[13:20] <AlanBell> I translated a few percentages into solid numbers in the "What would we have to do to change it in the next cycle?" bit
[13:21] <nigelb> where?
[13:21] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers
[13:23] <nigelb> wow
[13:23] <nigelb> thts a statistics class right there
[13:25] <nigelb> AlanBell: the profiles page could use an "Is Ubuntu Member" field
[13:27] <popey> not sure I like "how long does it take"
[13:27] <popey> makes it sound like a target
[13:27] <nigelb> me neither
[13:28] <popey> like people should look to get their membership quickly
[13:28] <popey> it's less "how long does it take" more "how long between registration and becoming a member"
[13:28] <popey> which I know is a long handed way of saying it, but "how long does it take" just doesnt sit right
[13:28] <nigelb> +1
[13:29] <AlanBell> yeah, it wasn't a target, just an interesting graph that dropped out of the data
[13:30] <AlanBell> too nice a curve to leave out
[14:14] <czajkowski> issyl0: is going for hers next month
[14:18] <nigelb> czajkowski: I did mention that somewhere
[14:28] <akgraner> hey AlanBell will you be around in a couple hours like after 6pm your time?
[14:33] <AlanBell> akgraner: sure
[14:33] <AlanBell> bit later would probably be better
[14:35] <akgraner> AlanBell, yep for me to - I have 2 articles I have to have turned in today so I will be swamped for the next few hours - but in a good way...
[16:12] <issyl0> Hello there.
[16:13] <issyl0> Ooh, thanks for letting people know czajkowski.
[16:13] <issyl0> Congratulations to Pendulum, above all though, w000!
[16:13] <czajkowski> issyl0: no bother
[16:14]  * issyl0 goes and hopes her scrollback gets far enough back through #ubuntu-meeting :)
[16:14] <czajkowski> issyl0: logged chanel
[16:14] <czajkowski> you can just get them from log list
[16:15] <czajkowski> then you'll get an idea of the meeting format, though I note USA board uses mootbot, EMEA doesn't but you get the idea
[16:16] <issyl0> No worries I found it :)
[16:16] <issyl0> Ah right, OK.
[16:16]  * issyl0 goes looking for the logs then.
[16:17] <czajkowski> issyl0: so if you want to see an EMEA one, find the date and look at the logs of that meeting
[16:22] <issyl0> czajkowski: Ok, and erm where are the logs? :)
[16:22]  * issyl0 should search more thoroughly.
[16:23] <nigelb> issyl0: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[16:24] <issyl0> Hmm, thanks!
[16:24] <czajkowski> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[16:24] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:25] <issyl0> irclogs.ubuntu.com doesn't give much away as to the dates and where the meeting logs are, even in #ubuntu-meeting section.
[16:25] <nigelb> you got to get the calender and look for dates of first tuesdays or whenever your board meets
[16:25] <nigelb> and then check logs
[16:25] <czajkowski> I use http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/
[16:26] <issyl0> Aaah... I did just read it properly, thanks nigelb, czajkowski!
[16:26] <nigelb> czajkowski: does it have all channels ?
[16:26]  * issyl0 works out when the first Tuesday of January was.
[16:27] <nigelb> issyl0: click on the time in top right, should open a calender
[16:27] <issyl0> Huh?  Oh, yeah :P
[16:27]  * issyl0 is dense this afternoon, it's not good!
[16:27]  * nigelb thought issyl0 was impatient :p
[16:28] <issyl0> nigelb: I've got better with that... but yes I am still ;)
[16:28] <nigelb> issyl0: 1, 29, 2 for dec, jan, and feb ;)
[16:29]  * nigelb goes to get ready for work
[16:31] <popey> czajkowski: logs.ubuntu-eu.org is for loco channels, irclogs.ubuntu.com is for project channels
[16:31] <popey> in theory
[16:33] <issyl0> What I read of the logs was pretty interesting.
[17:20]  * pleia2 isn't the one who needs to be reminded re: percentages :)
[17:20] <pleia2> I was just the meeting chair!
[17:21] <Pendulum> and you were a good chair :)
[17:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:26] <jussi01> so who was the meeting table? :D
[18:18] <AlanBell> the word "table" in relation to meetings is one of the irritating words that means the exact opposite in British and American English
[18:19] <maco2> hmmm?
[18:19] <maco2> going by what jussi01 said im guessing in british, table means chair?
[18:26] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(verb)
[18:33] <maco2> AlanBell: but jussi used it like a noun :-/
[18:45] <AlanBell> this is true, and it was a most agreeable pun
[18:46] <AlanBell> anyhow, I guess it was an action on everyone to discuss percentages then?
[18:47] <maco2> i dont know what youre talking about though
[18:47] <maco2> what meeting?
[18:48] <AlanBell> oh, in the meeting http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-women.log.20100107_1501.html there was an action [ACTION] Percentage goal decision to be discussed further
[18:49] <AlanBell> which came up earlier as I updated the graph on this page http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers
[18:49] <AlanBell> and someone ( nigelnb I think) noticed that the targets were all zero
[18:51] <Pendulum> maco2: I think jussi01 was making a joke
[18:51] <maco2> oh
[18:52] <Pendulum> as pleia2 had said she'd "chaired" the meeting so he was joking about "who tabled it?"
[18:52] <maco2> ah ok
[18:52] <Pendulum> so making a joke about tables and chairs
[18:52] <maco2> i joined in the middle
[18:54] <Pendulum> ah
[18:54] <jussi01> bwahahah... the joke has everyone confuzzled :D
[18:54] <AlanBell> yeah the words meeting and table together triggered the triviabot in my head
[18:54] <jussi01> but yes, maco2is correct
[20:42] <AlanBell> ]
[20:42] <AlanBell> akgraner: ready whenever
[20:43] <akgraner> AlanBell, ok cool :-)
[21:17] <AlanBell> it was suggested earlier to highlight the people on the profiles page who are Ubuntu Members
[21:18] <AlanBell> I have done this, probably missing some, on the basis that it is a wiki and can be reverted if this does not turn out to be a good idea
[21:18] <AlanBell> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Profiles
[21:18] <AlanBell> just easier to talk about it if you can see what it might look like. I just stuck the favicon of the wiki next to names I recognised as having launchpad profiles on my list
[21:29] <akgraner> What if instead of concentrating on Ubuntu Women Members next cycle we look at how to bring more women into the project without the pressure of sustained contribution
[21:29] <akgraner> ubuntu membership I mean
[21:30] <akgraner> though if women are already contributing and want to become a member we certainly encourage those project team members
[21:31] <valorie> I see a danger if there is too much emphasis on Ubuntu Membership
[21:32] <valorie> because we do want to serve the general public, bring them into F/OSS
[21:32] <valorie> and K/Ubuntu
[21:32] <valorie> not just membership
[21:32] <valorie> we don't want to be known as a membership conduit only.....
[21:32] <valorie> IMO
[21:32] <akgraner> valorie, yep that was my point I guess
[21:35] <AlanBell> not just a membership conduit, certainly not
[21:36] <valorie> it's exciting to help someone achieve their goals
[21:36] <valorie> I don't want to depreciate that
[21:37] <valorie> but we gotta have balance
[21:37] <AlanBell> at the moment there is not an emphasis on Ubuntu membership, and no targets for what this team is achieving as a whole (it is achieving stuff)
[21:37] <AlanBell> it is a measureable and well defined metric
[21:38] <akgraner> AlanBell, we need to 1) get some other ground work in place 2) encourage people to join the LP UW team as well 3) show where contribution can take place 4) offer mentoring for that contribution if it is needed
[21:39] <AlanBell> yes, I agree with all of that
[21:40] <akgraner> while it is measurable - I am not sure that is the area of concentration we need to focus on to show growth while it is one are I don't necessarily think it is the most important area
[21:40] <AlanBell> those are absolutely the sorts of things that will need to be done to achieve the aims of the project
[21:42] <akgraner> however, I could be completely off base -
[21:42] <AlanBell> or I could be :-)
[21:42] <AlanBell> that is much more likely tbh
[21:43] <akgraner> I know we aren't a "LoCo" team as it is defined but LoCo teams and other projects don't base success on the number of Ubuntu Members they have...  I think the information you have is very important in terms of the Ubuntu Project as a whole, and I absolutely believe it should be tracked in the way you are tracking it
[21:44] <akgraner> and I believe we as a team should keep our eye on those numbers
[21:44] <AlanBell> do you thing women are under-represented in Ubuntu?
[21:45] <akgraner> oh of course
[21:45] <AlanBell> s/thing/think
[21:45] <akgraner> but I am bot sure it is something we can say hey join the ubuntu women project today and in 6 months you can be an ubuntu member
[21:46] <akgraner> s/bot/not
[21:46] <AlanBell> the UK loco is not aiming to fix a curious lack of British people in the community
[21:46] <akgraner> I would think we could take the LP team list and the dates people join and then overlay it with your info on ubuntu membership
[21:47] <akgraner> and I would like to see more people join the team on LP as that has been decided to be the Offical team list
[21:49] <valorie> is that mentioned in all our basic pages, Amber?
[21:49] <valorie> that people should list themselves on Launchpad?
[21:50] <akgraner> while one of the goals is to bring more women into the ubuntu project, I am not sure saying join the team and let's work toward your ubuntu membership is the right way - however for those women who are in the community, and contributing b/c they are excited and motivated to help the Ubuntu Project and don't know that what they are doing with their contribution is sustained and meets all the requirements then we should encourage th
[21:50] <akgraner> em to seek membership
[21:50] <valorie> because Ubuntu is the only distro with a system like that
[21:50] <valorie> I think
[21:52] <akgraner> valorie, I am going over all that this weekend to see what still needs to be sent to the list...  I know I sent the logs and minutes to the list back in January when it was decided but it may need to be added to wikis
[21:52] <valorie> and a sticky topic on the Forum
[21:52] <valorie> ;-)
[21:52] <akgraner> yep
[21:54] <AlanBell> I am not suggesting press gangs rounding up new users and forcing them down the member pipeline :-)
[21:55] <AlanBell> or any high pressure activity
[21:55] <AlanBell> just getting more people involved with Ubuntu
[21:56] <AlanBell> so that the community is more like it is in the rest of the computing industry, closer to mainstream
[21:57] <AlanBell> more professional and more mainstream is where I want the community to go as a whole
[21:57] <akgraner> AlanBell, I didn't mean to imply you were - I am just as excited about UWP team members becoming Ubuntu Members but don't want to lose focus on the other goals..  and yes we need to figure out how to make the roadmap, and other goals measurable
[21:58] <akgraner> AlanBell, but part of the charm of the community is that it is relaxed in some ways and not "professional" in all it does :-)  and in that way it is easy for people to get involved
[22:00] <AlanBell> relaxed is not the opposite of professional
[22:00] <AlanBell> and sexist is a subset of unprofessional
[22:02] <akgraner> I can agree that sexist is definitely unprofessional but I don't want to be so professional that it ceases to be relaxed and inviting
[22:03] <akgraner> anywho back to measurable goals
[22:03] <AlanBell> indeed, back to measurable goals
[22:04] <AlanBell> I was just trying to explain my motivation a bit
[22:05] <AlanBell> I am a very relaxed person btw
[22:06] <AlanBell> explain how you want to overlay the launchpad group with the other statistics
[22:06] <akgraner> AlanBell, I know :-)  and I don't want to discourage that motivation in anyway
[22:08] <akgraner> AlanBell, that was where I was thinking out loud...  I would like to see when people joined the LP group in relation to when/if they became members
[22:08] <AlanBell> czajkowski is going to be all cross with me for being too businesslike when she sees this
[22:08] <akgraner> :-)  yeah she tells me I am too business like as well some times  - so I think I am in good company...
[22:09] <AlanBell> ok, so 202 people in the team
[22:09] <AlanBell> I would guess the proportions are the same as we see on IRC so about 100 women in the LP group
[22:09] <akgraner> AlanBell, that is where I was hoping your ability to crunch all the info would come in handy
[22:11] <AlanBell> that gives everyone 3 key dates, when they created their launchpad profile, when they joined the U-W team and if/when they joined the members team
[22:11] <AlanBell> I would expect there to be a big gender gap in this
[22:11] <akgraner> I would too
[22:11] <AlanBell> blokes new to launchpad won't join the u-w team
[22:12] <AlanBell> women would be much more likely to join it quickly
[22:12] <akgraner> This is why I want to encourage and tell more women specifically about the team
[22:13] <AlanBell> what I find odd about launchpad is that joining a team doesn't really do very much
[22:13] <akgraner> no and that is what I would like to see change - LP can be used for team management a little better
[22:13] <AlanBell> I happen to be a member of the team, but if I wasn't it wouldn't affect me in the least
[22:14] <akgraner> when it comes to voting it would
[22:14] <akgraner> we need a place to have people join and have an official team list somewhere and this will take time
[22:14] <akgraner> it is another place to measure things as well
[22:16] <akgraner> However if LP doesn't work from the team management approach there are other systems out there
[22:17] <AlanBell> the mailing list is separate from the launchpad team isn't it
[22:18] <akgraner> I am just saying that the more organized and goal oriented we as a team become, and the more we want to measure and show progress we are going to need ways to achieve this
[22:18] <akgraner> yes it is - which is why back in January I asked the mailing list folks to join LP
[22:18] <akgraner> and I asked the forums folks to join as well
[22:18] <AlanBell> yes, I am just looking for incentives to add
[22:18] <AlanBell> at the moment I can be on IRC, the forums, the mailing list, edit the wiki and not be in the launchpad group
[22:19] <akgraner> yep - that needs to be looked at
[22:19] <AlanBell> I can probably even file a bug against the group without being in it :-)
[22:19] <akgraner> why being in the LP group doesn't need you to do anything except join
[22:19] <valorie> well, you have to sign the CoC first
[22:19] <akgraner> people don't need to be in every group
[22:20] <valorie> and to do that you have to have a GPG thingie
[22:20] <AlanBell> valorie: to join the group?
[22:20] <valorie> so there is a bit of biz to joining on Launchpad
[22:20] <valorie> I believe so, yes
[22:20] <valorie> you can't have an account without signing the CoC
[22:20] <valorie> and you can't sign without a key
[22:20] <valorie> so it is a bit techie
[22:21]  * valorie managed it anyway
[22:21] <valorie> this is UBUNTU Women
[22:21] <valorie> so I'm fine with that
[22:21] <valorie> but we should offer hand-holding to those who haven't ever done anything like this
[22:22] <issyl0> Hello again, I'm back.
[22:22] <AlanBell> I don't think you need to sign the CoC to create a launchpad account and join groups
[22:22] <valorie> are at least recognition that there IS a barrier there
[22:22] <maco2> valorie: you can have an account, you just cant become a member without signing, i think
[22:22] <AlanBell> you do to be a member or have a PPA
[22:22] <maco2> and by member i mean ubuntu member, not u-w member
[22:22] <AlanBell> hi issyl0
[22:23] <valorie> maco2: that wasn't my experience
[22:23] <maco2> valorie: just signing up to launchpad you had to sign the CoC? thats a huge change then
[22:23] <akgraner> valorie, yep - but unless we maintain a separate list of members and their email address somewhere which I am not opposed to...  we knew that is was not a perfect way
[22:23] <valorie> we should find someone who doesn't have an account, and wants to sign up
[22:23] <AlanBell> valorie: I signed it pretty soon after joining because it looked all interesting
[22:23] <maco2> because you can join LP to start your own project
[22:23] <valorie> as a test
[22:23] <maco2> just having an LP account should not require signing the *Ubuntu* CoC when LP is not exclusively for Ubuntu
[22:23] <AlanBell> there are plenty of non-ubuntu projects hosted on launchpad
[22:24] <valorie> this is just my memory I'm going on
[22:24] <valorie> Ubuntu-Women is an official project of Ubuntu, though
[22:24] <hypa7ia> i had an lp account for years before signing the coc
[22:24] <akgraner> maco2, can you check into the LP thing
[22:24] <issyl0> Wow, I didn't have to sign the Ubuntu CoC straight when I joined Lp, it was after I'd established myself a bit I decided to of my own accord.
[22:24] <maco2> hypa7ia: i had my account for 3 months (or was it 1 year, 3 months?) before i signed it
[22:24] <issyl0> Which was about mid-late 2009.
[22:25] <akgraner> I need to take my daughter to a friends house  - be back in just a few.. I'll read the scroll back :-)
[22:26] <AlanBell> ok, so what proportion of the 202 group members have signed I wonder . . .
[22:26] <valorie> perhaps it was before joining U-W
[22:26] <valorie> or even my LoCo
[22:37] <Pendulum> I think I joined UW prior to signing the CoC
[22:37] <Pendulum> I certainly joined launchpad prior to signing it
[22:39] <maco2> well you cant upload a signed copy to launchpad before joining launchpad :P
[22:49] <valorie> Pendulum: was it an official Ubuntu group when you joined?
[22:50] <valorie> I'm a rather recent member
[22:55] <issyl0> Pendulum: yeah
[23:02] <Pendulum> valorie: it was november, so yes
[23:03] <valorie> ok, perhaps my memory is flawed
[23:18] <AlanBell> akgraner: can you remove Ubuntu Media Relations from the group please, it is making python-launchpadlib fall over in an ungraceful heap of fail
[23:19] <AlanBell> it appears to be a group that doesn't exist, so it returns a 404 error
[23:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, just walked back in the door  :-)  me looks now
[23:33] <akgraner> AlanBell, am working on removing the Media Relations - looks like other teams had trouble with that as well
[23:50] <akgraner> ahhh this is terrible - I don't have the remove button for media relations  grrrrr
[23:52] <issyl0> Yay my CV is looking better, LaTeX ftw.
[23:52] <akgraner> issyl0, yay!
[23:53] <issyl0> Oh how the heck can it be nearly midnight already?  No wonder I'm tired!
[23:54] <issyl0> :)
[23:59] <akgraner> svaksha, ping