[00:01] <abe3k> damn copying 7 gig file over smb sure takes forever -.-
[00:05] <BluesKaj-Laptop> abe3k, check out ssh , I find it much faster
[00:05] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj-Laptop: and much CPU intensive
[00:05] <abe3k> BluesKaj-Laptop: and use scp ?
[00:06] <abe3k> BluesKaj-Laptop: why didn't I think of that xD
[00:06] <BUGabundo> I don't believe SSH is faster then samba
[00:06] <BUGabundo> abe3k: at what speed are you transferting stuff?
[00:06] <abe3k> I'm getting 1.7 MB transfer rate, I would love anything better than that
[00:06] <BUGabundo> are you network , IO, or cpu bound?
[00:07] <abe3k> Wireless with 58 Mbits
[00:07] <BUGabundo> that's very slow for 100mb lan
[00:07] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhh
[00:07] <BUGabundo> then you almost at MAX speed
[00:07] <BUGabundo> around 4MB/s
[00:07] <BluesKaj-Laptop> abe3k, exactly :)
[00:07] <abe3k> but 1.7 .....
[00:07] <BUGabundo> 2MB/s is a nice value
[00:07] <abe3k> I think it could be from the wpa-psk but I'm not sure
[00:08] <BUGabundo> right
[00:08] <BUGabundo> your AP has to process all that data
[00:08] <abe3k> yeap
[00:08] <BUGabundo> just hook a e-SATA caple
[00:08] <BUGabundo> *cable
[00:08] <BUGabundo> 50MB/s rocks
[00:08] <Bookman> Anyone else having problems with Ubuntu One after updating today?
[00:08] <abe3k> I know -.- but I'm too lazy tbh
[00:08] <BUGabundo> then you wait
[00:09] <abe3k> 2 hours!!
[00:09] <abe3k> now I have 16 minutes left so no worries :D
[00:14] <BUGabundo> it would take you 2 min to pick your arse up, and the e-sata cable
[00:14] <BUGabundo> 2 min to hook everything
[00:14] <BUGabundo> and
[00:14] <BUGabundo> and
[00:14] <BUGabundo> and less then 5 min to copy it
[00:15] <abe3k> <------- hides in the shadows
[00:15] <setuid> How DOES one configure suspend on the latest version?
[00:15] <setuid> or at least verify it?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> sudo pm-suspend?
[00:17] <tertitten> is the 10.04 alpha 3 running pretty stable on a desktop ? ... I'm not sure if I will dare to upgrade :)
[00:17] <abe3k> try sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force
[00:17] <abe3k> tertitten: its running great on a netbook too!
[00:18] <penguin42> tertitten: Still has a few touchy places
[00:19] <abe3k> I think theres something is wrong with the gnome-keyring-daemon
[00:19] <tertitten> ok, so it's a matter of how brawe I am then :)
[00:25] <setuid> gar, that didn't work
[00:27] <setuid> Looks like there's no suspend and hibernate in the latest Lucid :(
[00:27] <penguin42> setuid: Which graphics card?
[00:27] <setuid> /etc/acpi/sleep.sh suspends, but that's manual, not automatic when I shut the lid.
[00:27] <setuid> penguin42, NVidia... worked fine through every Ubuntu release, until last night's update
[00:27] <abe3k> what about the screensaver ?
[00:28] <penguin42> setuid: There was a note in the /topic a few days ago about it not working for nvidia users
[00:28] <setuid> Lucid has some other broken-ness with the upstream NVidia driver, where I have to jump to one of the vcs before I can jump back into X. Previous versions of Ubuntu, coming out of suspend worked flawlessly, returning me to gnome-screensaver's login window.
[00:29] <setuid> penguin42, I'm not using the Lucid nvidia driver (known to be broken), I'm using the upstream nvidia one (known to work fine)
[00:29] <setuid> Right now, it's not even an available option, so something took suspend/hibernate physically out of the loop
[00:29] <setuid> I wouldn't care if it suspended and broke, THAT I can work with, but there's literally no suspend/resume/hibernate support at all
[00:33] <bjsnider> setuid, and how are you managing to use the upstream nvidia driver, sir?
[00:33] <setuid> bjsnider, Compiling/installing it myself, using the NVidia installer
[00:33] <setuid> Been doing that for years now
[00:33] <bjsnider> great!
[00:34] <setuid> But something broke/removed acpi suspend support
[00:34] <setuid> Irrespective of the video driver being used
[00:34] <bjsnider> lol, yeah something did indeed
[00:42] <mangos> do lucid lynx packages work on hardy heron?
[00:44] <BluesKaj-Laptop> mangos, lucid pkges are meant only for lucid , they'll break your hardy setup
[00:46] <setuid> Well, it sort of works, if I echo to /sys/power/state
[00:46] <setuid> But not if I just close the lid
[00:47] <abe3k> did you try restarting ? :>
[00:47] <setuid> Yes, many times, with and without s3_bios enabled in my grub.conf
[00:47] <setuid> gnome-power-preferences doesn't even have a suspend or hibernate option anymore
[00:47] <setuid> So thre's no way to configure it
[00:48] <abe3k> setuid why don't you try reinstalling that package just to make sure nothing is missing ?
[00:49] <mangos> i currently have ubuntu 8.04 LTS, is it relatively safe to upgrade to 10.04 LTS?
[00:49] <setuid> mangos, Not unless you want to help debug broken issues
[00:50] <setuid> If 8.04 works, stick with it until 10.04 is officially released
[00:51] <setuid> veddy interestink
[00:51]  * setuid tests
[01:00] <setuid> Ok, well now suspend is back in the relevant apps/menus
[01:00] <setuid> I'll tinker with the options to get it working right with the NVidia driver
[01:02] <koolguy> hey, i need to know how to reset my wireless on dell inspiron 1501
[01:02] <koolguy> i dont even know how to install the thing too
[01:05] <koolguy> can anyone help me
[01:06] <BUGabundo> koolguy: probaly looking at its manual would help?
[01:06] <koolguy> its on a laptop
[01:07] <koolguy> and idk where the manual is
[01:07] <BUGabundo> define : reset wifi
[01:07] <setuid> The manual for your laptop?
[01:07] <setuid> We can't help you there
[01:07] <koolguy> lol ok
[01:08] <koolguy> all im trying to do is reset my wireless internet connection, because i forgot the unlock code which i entered after the WEP key
[01:08] <setuid> rmmod ath5k
[01:08] <setuid> then modprobe ath5k
[01:09] <BUGabundo> right click on NM, edit connections , wifi tab, edit
[01:09] <koolguy> ok
[01:09] <BUGabundo> setuid: CALM DOWN
[01:10] <setuid> BUGabundo, uhm, what now?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> you are going WAY to far to do this
[01:11] <setuid> He said reset, not reconfigure
[01:11] <BUGabundo> he means change wifi password
[01:12] <koolguy> so what were those commands again, i accidently clicked out
[01:13]  * BUGabundo headslap
[01:13] <BUGabundo> (2010-02-27 01:09:02) freenode: right click on NM, edit connections , wifi tab, edit
[01:13] <koolguy> what were those commands, i keep clickin out of the chat
[01:14] <BUGabundo> last time
[01:14] <koolguy> o ok
[01:14] <BUGabundo> next time LEARN not to close chat
[01:14] <koolguy> ok
[01:14] <BUGabundo> right click on NM, edit connections , wifi tab, edit
[01:14] <koolguy> alright
[01:15] <koolguy> alright then what
[01:17] <BUGabundo> that's it
[01:17] <koolguy> im in there, but idk what to do from there
[01:17] <BUGabundo> select your network
[01:17] <BUGabundo> edit
[01:17] <BUGabundo> and change pass
[01:17] <koolguy> ah ok
[01:18] <koolguy> thanks see yall later
[01:51] <Anzenketh> I desided to work on linking upstream bugs using QA report http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/unlinked-bugwatch.html
[01:52] <Anzenketh> If the bug is upstream but is not confirmed upstream or downstream what do we do with the bug triage it as normal?
[01:52] <rww> Anzenketh: was that supposed to go to #ubuntu-bugs :)?
[01:53] <Anzenketh> Silly me wrong chat
[01:53] <Anzenketh> Got so many open
[02:46] <waltercool> Hi there!... i have a question... is lucid with bugs?
[02:49] <Sensiva> waltercool may be, its not a final stable release, you shouldn't use it in a productive environment unless you are aware how to fix problems alone
[02:50] <waltercool> Sensiva, Im just a ex-gentoo user ;) I cant live with end user products ;)
[02:50] <Sensiva> :D
[02:50] <rww> Sensiva: when it breaks (and it /will/ break), you get to keep both pieces!
[02:51] <waltercool> Sensiva, But my last time with Lucid was horrble... i hate X errors...
[02:51] <Sensiva> rww sure
[02:55] <sdest> Hi, I updated to the newest alpha, and now Kile doesn't feel like running latex anymore, any ideas?
[02:55] <sdest> it does run straight from the terminal, it just seems like none of the programs pick up that its there for some reason
[02:58] <tertitten> this is wierd, after updating to 10.04 a3 i come to the login screen (after a reboot) and the enter login credentials, and click login, then I need to enter it once more... am I actually logging in twice or what's happening ?
[03:01] <DanaG>     + 0d1154 (rework how stream volumes affect sink volumes)
[03:01] <DanaG> hmm, that's a new change in pulseaudio... what's the upstream commit ID?
[03:01] <DanaG> I can't find it.... googling for 0d1154 gives only this exact changelog.
[03:21] <faileas> i'm thinking of setting up a test/personal server, and at some point i'll be using lynx, so i'd like to test out a few things on a VM first. One of the things i do now is start my ipv6 tunnel app from init.d - i want to do the same (and a little more) with upstart - start a specific programme (with arguements) and restart it if it does now. I can't quite seem to find a clear specific complete example on the second part. Anyone can gimme a h
[03:21] <faileas> and? http://superuser.com/questions/113779/upstart-scripts spells out what i use now, and my specific requirements.
[03:40] <SandGorgon> guys.. how is the general stability of alpha 3 ? I would want to try it out
[03:46] <sinurge> on my x64 lucid installation i cannot execute any of my downlaoded binaries
[03:47] <sinurge> ./binaryname always gives a file/directory not found error
[03:47] <sinurge> but i can see using a ls -l cmd
[03:47] <sinurge> same binaries on my other x64 mint helena works fine
[03:53] <hunt> Hi, I'm using lucid and I cant hibernate anymore, because there simply is no entry for it, I can shutdown, restart, logout and suspend but not hibernate.
[03:55] <DanaG> hmm, what opengl level is nouveau 3d supposed to offer on, say, a gf6150?
[03:55] <high-rez> Level 0 because opengl isn't officially supported by it yet? :)
[04:04] <Anzenketh> That would explain a bug I am working on.
[04:04] <Anzenketh> Maby.
[04:09] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, ping
[04:18] <DanaG> er, I mean, when it does "work", what level does it declare?
[04:24] <coz_> hey guys...on lucid...when editing the libanimation.so and animation.xml for  magic_lamp_max_waves from "3" to "0"  it seems to remove or disable the main Animatons plugin in ccsm/compiz  ..these files are before and after edition the xml since the error seems to be withing the xml file and the terminal readout  of that error     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/animation%20error.tar.gz
[04:25] <coz_> each time the same thing occurs
[04:26] <coz_> edition=editing
[04:40] <_DM_> I'm trying to connect to ubuntu from Win XP thru RealVNC.  I'm able to connect and I see a desktop... but I can't see any changes of clicks inside VNC client on windows, I only could see changes on Linux machine screen. There is no firewall and all settings allowed client do changes.
[04:40] <_DM_> Any suggestions what could it be?
[04:41] <Damascene> good morning,
[04:42] <_DM_> Morning...
[04:43] <Bookman> ok, I guess 3D games are out of the question for the new Ubuntu release.
[04:43] <Bookman> I've tried
[04:44] <Bookman> Back to command line prowess.
[04:51] <Bookman> Ok, does not work!
[04:53] <Damascene> is there any way to view lucid bugs only?
[04:56] <Bookman> So, no 3D goodness without Windows?
[04:59] <seanbrystone> bah, 3D eyecandy is for the weak minded! :P
[05:02] <Overand> Ubuntu-Server snapshot I grabbed about 5 hours ago - fresh install, apparently installed successfully, selected "openssh server" "samba server" and "vm host" - on attempting to boot, I promptly get my LCD popping into an unsupported mode
[05:02] <Overand> (H 53.7 kHz, V 85 Hz)
[05:03] <Overand> I've booted into a rescue console and commented out the apparent gfx-setting lines in the grub.conf, but I don't know much bout grub 2
[05:03] <Overand> and it didn't seem to change anything - though i noticed more grub debug messages, some comments about errors in the config it seemed
[05:22] <Overand> So - it's not GRUB with the issues with graphics - it's the ubuntu loader
[05:22] <faileas> i'm thinking of setting up a test/personal server, and at some point i'll be using lynx, so i'd like to test out a few things on a VM first. One of the things i do now is start my ipv6 tunnel app from init.d - i want to do the same (and a little more) with upstart - start a specific programme (with arguements) and restart it if it does now. I can't quite seem to find a clear specific complete example on the second part. Anyone can gimme a h
[05:22] <faileas> and? http://superuser.com/questions/113779/upstart-scripts spells out what i use now, and my specific requirements.
[05:22] <faileas> and... geeze, why is my question getting cut in two...
[05:22] <Overand> I *think* it's the initrd
[05:28] <DanaG> Overand: what GPU?
[05:30] <Overand> DanaG: Some onboard ATI thing on a phenom-era ASUS board
[05:30] <Overand> I can get more specific if need be.
[05:30] <Overand> I'd love to just have this thing boot to a text console.
[05:30] <DanaG> ah, then it's likely kernel-mode-setting setting it to a mode the LCD can't handle.
[05:30] <DanaG> try passing "radeon.modeset=0" on console.
[05:30] <Overand> Yeah, so ti seems.
[05:30] <Overand> Alright
[05:31] <DanaG> And if that works, then the bug is probably something about KMS detecting an incorrect mode.
[05:31] <DanaG> I install ssh servers on all my boxes, so I can remotely connect to diagnose those sorts of things.
[05:31] <Overand> Oo, I manged to get a grub error, hang on,
[05:31] <Overand> DanaG: I'm only seeing the beginning of the kernel loading - so I can't tell why I can't SSH in, heh.
[05:32] <DanaG> ah, then modeset=0 should help at least with that.
[05:32] <Overand> Success.
[05:33] <Overand> The "Rescue" boot mode should perhaps be doing that.
[05:33] <Overand> I should look for an existing bug on this - I've never really messed with launchpad
[05:34] <DanaG> grr, stupid "japa" -- refuses to work when it can't mmap the alsa device.
[05:38] <Overand> hmm - it appears that for 'success' (i.e. seeing why the system doesn't boot, heh) - I need to have both radeon.modeset=0 and modeset=0
[05:39] <Overand> Heh - well, I have a lot of starup scripts exiting with non-zero exit statuses - it looks like I may be having issues as a result of having set up something involving crypto, or *it* having done so anyway
[05:39] <DanaG> I have nothing particularly weird, and I get "ureadahead-other exited with status 4" a bunch of times.
[05:40] <DanaG> Stupid ureadahead.
[05:40] <Overand> I get a fatal error with modprobe loading something padlock something
[05:40] <Overand> plus a few others
[05:40] <Overand> looks like ti decided to use a crypted swap because i told it to use crypted home (but not crypted FS in general)
[05:42] <Overand> (or naybe that just happened because i told it to use LVM?)
[05:51] <phixxor> how do I find out what gfx driver I'm using?
[05:51] <phixxor> I had to boot in safe graphics mode
[05:56] <rww> phixxor: the Xorg log in /var/log/ should say. I use the radeon driver and have a tonne of lines starting with RADEON in there.
[05:57] <phixxor> gotcha
[06:00] <i_is_broke> anyone using an all-in-one motherboard for intel? and if so how are the drivers working for video and ethernet?
[06:03] <Overand> DanaG: is there a 'right' way to make those 'stick' ? grub 2 seems very very different
[06:03] <DanaG> Check /etc/default/grub
[06:03] <Overand> perfect, thanks
[06:06] <un214> well my old way of disabling fbcon no longer works (suggesting that the latest update finally supports my video card and chipset)
[06:06] <un214> now then, text is unreadably small on consoles, time to figure out how to make it larger
[06:06] <DanaG> ah, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[06:08] <un214> ok we'll see if that works
[06:08] <un214> I picked the largest (16)
[06:10] <un214> nope still many times too small
[06:11] <Jordan_U> un214, Use aalib to make ascii text made of smaller ascii text ;)
[06:11] <un214> oh come on
[06:13] <faileas> ;p
[06:15] <DanaG> you may be able to edit /etc/default/console-setup to make it manually even bigger.
[06:16] <un214> ugh vga=791 doesn't work either
[06:16] <Jordan_U> Anyone have the ip address for opendns?
[06:16] <DanaG> you may be able to edit /etc/default/console-setup to make it manually even bigger.
[06:16] <EruditeHermit> DanaG, I took the plunge and upgraded to lucid
[06:16] <Jordan_U> un214, That's ignored when using KMS
[06:18] <un214> ok let's see what that does
[06:18] <DanaG> stupid gnome... the big "turn on bluetooth" button DOES NOT WORK.
[06:18] <un214> Jordan_U: which I wasn't using until old console finally broke
[06:19] <DanaG> Stupid gnome bluetooth thingy also doesn't connect to pulseaudio!
[06:19] <un214> no effect--like it didn't even read the file
[06:20] <DanaG> did you do update-initramfs afterwards?
[06:20] <un214> no I didn't -- duh
[06:22] <un214> still no effect
[06:25] <DanaG> Grr, stupid apport.
[06:25] <DanaG> The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.
[06:26] <eagles0513875> DanaG: i could live with apport crashing but not flash being a resource hog
[06:26] <phixxor> how could I find out why I had to use safe-graphics mode to boot from the live cd?
[06:27] <un214> this is really really annoying
[06:28] <Overand> Is there a "proper way" to manage software raid in recent ubuntu revisions other than mdadm?
[06:31] <un214> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ignores whatever font I set anyway
[06:34] <DanaG> hmm, try just editing the file and running sudo setupcon
[06:34] <DanaG> or sudo setupcon --force
[06:34] <DanaG> oh, and I think console-terminus font may have other sizes?
[06:34] <un214> I already figured that out
[06:34] <un214> setupcon seems to do nothing
[06:35]  * eagles0513875 grabs npviewer and puts a bullet through its head
[06:35] <faileas> hmm. Anyone familiar with upstart? i need help with a startup script i want on a system i'm working on
[06:35] <un214> ok actually it did
[06:36] <un214> now I get to run it at every boot or something
[06:36] <DanaG> hmm, maybe check the init scripts for console-setup?
[06:36] <DanaG> if there even are any.
[06:37] <eagles0513875> anyone else in here hate the npviewer (flash) or is it just me
[06:37] <phixxor> what is this npviewer of which you speak?
[06:37] <eagles0513875> phixxor: flash
[06:38] <phixxor> isn't flash flash
[06:38] <eagles0513875> no
[06:38] <phixxor> why isn't it?
[06:38] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, That's nspluginwrapper
[06:38] <eagles0513875> not sure to be honest but it is a resource hog big time
[06:38] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: im not suprised if the nspluginwrapper and npviewer are the same program i could be wrong
[06:40] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: found a lp bug re nspluginwrapper and npviewer they are one in the same program
[06:41] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, That's what I was trying to tell you.
[06:41] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/141613
[06:42] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: but both of those are related to flash
[06:42] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, npviewer isn't flash itself, it's the wrapper around flash ( or any other 32 bit netscape plugin )
[06:43]  * eagles0513875 thinks i should install ia32-libs to ensure backwards compatibility since im on 64bit
[06:43] <Overand> DanaG: Thanks a ton for the help - I'm up and running more-or-less perfectly now.
[06:44] <un214> ok that's almost right
[06:44] <un214> now just to get it into the initramfs
[06:44] <un214> the settings are there but setupcon is not
[06:52] <Wutzan> Hey, I have a NVIDIA card (8600 gt) and I cannpt get a alpha 3 live cd to boot. After selecting Try or Install now, I get a black screen, and no matter how long I wait, it only hangs
[06:56] <Damascene> did you check the cd for defects?
[06:57] <Wutzan> Yes.
[06:57] <Damascene> I think there is an option for safe gui
[06:58] <Wutzan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/528277 Others are having this problem I just wanted to know if there is a way to work around, like a safe gui you mentioned. How can I do that?
[07:00] <pedrocr> is mono currently broken in lucid?
[07:00] <Jordan_U> Wutzan, You can install via the alternate CD then try to fix things from there.
[07:00] <Wutzan> Jordan_U: Is that the only way, my bandwidth is limited at the moment, I'd perfer not to redownload  a whole cd
[07:01] <Damascene> Wutzan,  press f4
[07:01] <Damascene> there you find the save graphices mode
[07:01] <Damascene> *graphics
[07:01] <pedrocr> I just upgraded from karmic and a bunch of mono packages are being held back for broken dependencies
[07:01] <pedrocr> is this a known problem?
[07:01] <Wutzan> At the selection screen? Because it doesn't appear.
[07:02] <Wutzan> It has other modes, but not safe graphics
[07:02] <rww> pedrocr: that happens every so often in devel versions, generally fixes itself
[07:02] <Damascene> can you see at the bottom of the screen there is choices like f1 to help and f2 to language
[07:03] <Wutzan> Yes
[07:03] <Wutzan> And f4 is for modes, but there is no mode for safe graphics
[07:03] <Damascene> and f4 modes?
[07:03] <pedrocr> rww, I know, I was just wondering if it was a known bug or if I should file a bugreport
[07:03] <Damascene> I don't know
[07:04] <pedrocr> rww, seems like there is a dependency on mono-gac (= 2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu1) that isn't in the archive
[07:04] <pedrocr> everything else seems to be 2.4.3+dfsg-1ubuntu2
[07:04] <Damascene> Wutzan, try reset then f4 again
[07:05] <rww> pedrocr: I don't usually bother filing unless the problem happens on the main mirror for several days
[07:05] <pedrocr> rww, ok
[07:05] <Wutzan> Same thing, I guess I'll pass on trying the alpha since clearly it's going to be a lot of work to fix
[07:07] <Damascene> Wutzan, that is alpha were you help discover problem before it gets into beta and stable
[07:21] <Jordan_U> I hope un214 comes back, I think I've found what he needs
[07:50] <eagles0513875> any grub experts in here or is everyone asleep
[07:52] <Sensiva> am not an expert or asleep
[07:53] <Sensiva> But I dealt with grub alot, What is it eagles0513875 ?
[07:53] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: for some reason i cant boot into my windows partition
[07:53] <eagles0513875> yofel: and i compared configs and for both of us it is exactly the same
[07:54] <eagles0513875> now
[07:54] <Sensiva> error msg?
[07:54] <eagles0513875> someone in grub channel pasted this http://pastebin.com/weMw7p0m where he added drive map line
[07:54] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: no error msg when booting it gives me black screen then says GRUB and that is it
[07:55] <Sensiva> Your windows partition is /dev/...??
[07:56] <Sensiva> nvm can you confirm the uuid number of your windows partition?
[08:02] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, I don't think that has anything to do with that menu entry. If all you are seeing is "GRUB" then grub probably never even got far enough to read the grub.cfg.
[08:02] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: i have 2 drives
[08:02] <eagles0513875> one 500gb one which has windows on it
[08:03] <eagles0513875> and 2tb drive which has nix on a 500gb partition and rest ntfs freespace
[08:03] <eagles0513875> 500gb drive is /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 sda1 being 100mb system partiton
[08:03] <eagles0513875> sdb1 500gb nix partition on 2tb hdd 1.4tb sdb2 ntfs freespace partition and sdb3 which is swap
[08:04] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: how can i confirm the uuid number
[08:04] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, sudo blkid
[08:04] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/x5yns5jA
[08:05] <Sensiva> fine, in winblows menu entry the uuid should be 3434817834813DBC not 4870319e70319422
[08:06] <Sensiva> I suggest backing up your current grub config file /boot/grub/grub.cfg then generating a new one using sudo update-grub
[08:06] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: yofel though has his set to use sda1 in my case and his boots just fine
[08:08] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 actually I don't know what is that "System Reserved" for, no matter how, you should direct grub to the partition where your Win7 bootloader is
[08:08] <eagles0513875> doesnt grub over write the ntbootldr
[08:08] <eagles0513875> or at least trick windows into  thinking its still using the ntbootldr but in turn it uses grub
[08:08] <Sensiva> if its sda1 then uuid 4CC87BBBC87BA23E should be used if sda2 then uuid 3434817834813DBC should be used
[08:09] <Sensiva> grub doesn't overwrite windows bootloaders
[08:09] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, No, grub chainloads BCD / ntldr
[08:09] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: at first grub didnt have my windows partition listed i ran sudo update-grub to get it to list my windows partition
[08:09] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[08:10] <Sensiva> fine, then sudo update-grub you go, but update your current file first please
[08:10] <Sensiva> backup* your current file first please
[08:10] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: you mean update the uuid
[08:10] <eagles0513875> and which grub file the one in /etc/default/ ?
[08:10] <eagles0513875> or in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:11] <Sensiva> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:11] <Machtin> ok.. why would my system boot if i don't have "/dev/mapper/home /home ext3 defaults 0 1" in my fstab, but fail booting, resulting in my monitor going to energy saving mode, if this line is in the fstab-file?
[08:12] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: its backedup
[08:12] <Sensiva> great, now sudo update-grub
[08:12] <Sensiva> after finishing don't reboot, make sure your windows entry is listed
[08:14] <Jordan_U> Machtin, Try booting without splash and see if there are any relevant looking error messages.
[08:15] <Machtin> Jordan_U: i did, couldn't see any
[08:15] <Machtin> which doesn't mean there are none.. the text scrolls pretty fast and then - without any delay the screen turns black and the monitor goes to energy safe.
[08:15] <Jordan_U> Machtin, What happens if you boot with it commented out, uncomment it, then "sudo mount /home" ?
[08:16] <Machtin> uhm.. i didn't try it with commenting it out, but i'm now on that system and mounted it manually
[08:17] <Jordan_U> Machtin, Try mounting it with "sudo mount /home" or "sudo mount -a" ( rather than /dev/mapper/home /home ) so that it uses the entry in the fstab.
[08:17] <Machtin> what i also find fascinating: the line in /etc/crypttab has no influence.. i'm not prompted for a password or any - i have to "cryptsetup luksopen /dev/bla home" manually.
[08:18] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: it found windows on /dev/sda1
[08:18] <Machtin> Jordan_U: with or without the device being open?
[08:18] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 now reboot
[08:18] <Jordan_U> Machtin, unmount it first if that's what you mean.
[08:19] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: i have a feeling the same issue :(
[08:19] <eagles0513875> brb
[08:19] <Sensiva> let's see then :D
[08:19] <Machtin> Jordan_U: no, i mean should it also be decrypted? because like i said, when i boot it's not decrypted, because i'm not even prompted for the password
[08:20] <Jordan_U> Machtin, No ( because we are trying to reproduce the problem at boot, where by your experience it will not be decrypted )
[08:21] <Machtin> ok, i'll just try after rebooting :) brb
[08:25] <Machtin> Jordan_U: i've got another clue.. :D
[08:25] <Machtin> but first: mount behaves like it should.. it states that there is no special device /dev/mapper/home and works after i luksOpened the device
[08:26] <Machtin> however, i noticed when i boot (with that line commented out), the monitor goes into energy saving mode, too.
[08:26] <Machtin> but is back after only a few seconds and shows kdm.
[08:27] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: still same problem
[08:27] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 do you even see the grub menu?
[08:28] <eagles0513875> ya i do
[08:28] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 direct grub to /dev/sda2 and check again
[08:28] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: what file do i need to edit to fix that
[08:29] <Sensiva> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:29] <eagles0513875> they say that file shouldnt be edited
[08:29] <eagles0513875> on the wiki
[08:29] <eagles0513875> !grub2 | Sensiva
[08:29] <Sensiva> I understand
[08:30] <eagles0513875> in this case if that cant be edited what should
[08:30] <Machtin> it can be edited.. it's just not supposed to be
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Machtin: well the wiki is a lil ambiguous
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: so i edit sda1 to sda2 and change the uuid
[08:31] <Sensiva> exactly
[08:31] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:32] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 before you do, can you describe what made your windows entry not to boot?
[08:33] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: this only started happening after installing linux
[08:33] <Sensiva> Did you resize? move? reinstalled?
[08:33] <eagles0513875> no
[08:33] <eagles0513875> windows is on a disk on its own and linux is on a 500gb partition on another 2tb hdd
[08:34] <Sensiva> and during install do you remember where the installer did install grub?
[08:35] <Sensiva> hd0 or hd1?
[08:35] <eagles0513875> mbr of hd0
[08:35] <Sensiva> ok, now edit grub.cfg
[08:35] <Sensiva> first sudo chmod -w /boot/grub/grub.cfg then start editing
[08:36] <vish> Sensiva: dont edit grub.cfg ;)
[08:36] <vish> !grub2
[08:36] <Sensiva> vish I know
[08:36] <eagles0513875> lol vish thats what i told him
[08:36] <Sensiva> humph
[08:36] <eagles0513875> whats the chmod command do i just did sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg to edit it
[08:37] <vish> hehe , i  caught only half of the conversation :)
[08:37] <Sensiva> grub.cfg is read only, chmod is to set its permission to read/write
[08:37] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: cant you just use sudo to have rw permissions
[08:37] <Sensiva> your editor won't save changes if its read only
[08:37] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: even if i use sudo
[08:38] <Sensiva> nope
[08:38] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Editors will still generally complain that it's read only ( requiring ! in vim for instance )
[08:38] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: i used sudo nano /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:38] <eagles0513875> doesnt sudo give me rw access as root
[08:39] <yofel> eagles0513875: even root doesn't have write permissions for grub.cfg by default
[08:39] <vish> nope
[08:39] <yofel> morning folks
[08:39] <eagles0513875> strange cuz i went back in there and the changes i made seem to be saved
[08:39] <vish> eagles0513875: you can edit , the file but it is set as read-only even for root
[08:39] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Yes, but the editor is trying to protect you from yourself by not letting you overwrite a file marked as read only
[08:40] <Machtin> Jordan_U: any new thoughts on the booting-thing?
[08:40] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 after doing update-grub it sets grub.cfg permissions to -r--r--r--
[08:40] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Why are you trying to edit the grub.cfg in the first place?
[08:40] <eagles0513875> i understand that but doesnt sudo defeat the purpose of that protection
[08:40] <yofel> Jordan_U: trying to modify the win7 boot entry
[08:40] <vish> eagles0513875: not really , its like a double barrier
[08:40] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: on request by Sensiva i know its not supposed to be edited im just wondering if that will fix my booting issue
[08:41] <Sensiva> ok FYI, update-grub isn't detecting the correct Windows partition, that's why he has to edit grub.cfg manually
[08:42] <Jordan_U> Sensiva, He should edit /etc/grub.d/40_custom then
[08:42] <vish> eagles0513875: what are the files you have here > /etc/grub.d/  ?
[08:42] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: what i find funny is yofel is dual booting and his is using sda1 like i had mine and it was booting just fine
[08:42] <Sensiva> There is no need to worry, you have a backedup copy anyway, you can restore it back in case of problems, and you will not change anything in your Ubuntu entries
[08:42] <vish> eagles0513875: do you have  /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober  ?
[08:43] <eagles0513875> vish: yes i do
[08:43] <Jordan_U> But if update-grub didn't find windows then Windows is likely not bootable currently.
[08:43] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: it was working prior to nix install
[08:43] <yofel> Jordan_U: it does, but win7 doesn't boot
[08:43] <vish> hmm , there was this problem during karmic
[08:43] <eagles0513875> after that grub didnt even list it so i ran sudo update-grub to get it listed
[08:44] <eagles0513875> should i go ahead and try reboot
[08:44] <vish> eagles0513875: pastebin your grub.cfg
[08:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:46] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/tsknAYNW
[08:47] <eagles0513875> vish: ignore all linux entries as they are fine
[08:48] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, What happens when you try the menu entry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda2)" from the grub menu?
[08:48] <Sensiva> yofel di you have that 100mb System Reserved partition?
[08:48] <vish> eagles0513875: if Win7 is on sda2 then probably your UUID is messed up ..
[08:48] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: yes he did its required by windows 7
[08:49] <eagles0513875> vish: i editied it just now the problem is yofel is booting of the 100mb system partition which is there because its required by win 7
[08:49] <Sensiva> vish right now its correct
[08:49] <vish> ah..
[08:49] <yofel> Sensiva: yes, I have pretty much the same setup, only that kubuntu is on sda3 is different from eagles0513875
[08:49] <rabbit1> hows the new lucid going?
[08:49] <Sensiva> his blkid output is here http://pastebin.com/x5yns5jA
[08:49] <eagles0513875> yofel: is it karmic or lucid that your dual booting
[08:50] <vish> rabbit1: lucid enough ;)
[08:50] <Sensiva> yofel would you please pastebin your grub.cfg?
[08:50] <yofel> eagles0513875: lucid
[08:50] <Sensiva> yofel I just need the windows entry
[08:50] <yofel> Sensiva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/384571/
[08:50] <eagles0513875> hey rabbit1 its going to be nice once released. just having some dual booting issues im trying to get resolved
[08:51] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Can you pastebin what your grub.cfg was before you edited it? ( You can just run "sudo grub-mkconfig --output=/tmp/grub.cfg" to get it again without overwriting your current custom one )
[08:51] <rww> Anyone running an rtl8187 wifi card? If so, is it working in lucid right now?
[08:51] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: i have a backup of it the way it was before
[08:51] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/s5g5hJyp
[08:52] <rabbit1> eagles0513875: thx guys, u guys put in lot of effort
[08:52] <rabbit1> i hope as a u user, i have some rights to thank u guys, hopefully some day i could contribute
[08:52] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, And what happend when you tried that entry ( the unmodified one )?
[08:52] <eagles0513875> no problemo rabbit1 if you want to give it a whirl setup a virtual machine and test it out
[08:53] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: black screen then nothing but GRUB pops up and that is it
[08:53] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Do you see the grub menu at all?
[08:53] <eagles0513875> prior to that yes
[08:53] <vish> eagles0513875: if the UUID has been corrected now , it should work.. have you rebooted?
[08:53] <Sensiva> yofel blkid /dev/sda* please?
[08:53] <eagles0513875> vish: i havent yet
[08:53] <vish> eagles0513875: give it a shot :)
[08:54] <eagles0513875> getting bombarded with 3 different things to do :P hehe
[08:54] <vish> ;p
[08:54] <Sensiva> :D
[08:54] <yofel> Sensiva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/384949/
[08:54] <eagles0513875> yofel: which os did u install first
[08:55] <Sensiva> The guy was asking for grub expert, and you were all asleep, once I said manually edit grub.cfg , it was like Ubuntu'ers Salvation
[08:55] <Sensiva> lol
[08:55] <Sensiva> yofel thank you
[08:55] <yofel> eagles0513875: err... karmic, then win7 then lucid... I think
[08:55] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:55] <eagles0513875> im wondering if i need to do the same
[08:55] <eagles0513875> let me reboot and see what gonna happen
[08:56] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 I guess it won't work
[08:56] <Sensiva> :\
[08:56] <eagles0513875> it wont
[08:56] <Sensiva> Your Windows bootloader is messed up I guess, that's why it won't boot
[08:56] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:56] <eagles0513875> well time to pop in the win cd and run the repair
[08:56] <Sensiva> Don't worry you won't have to reinstall
[08:57] <eagles0513875> i hope not
[08:57] <Sensiva> just try this shot and let's see what's next
[08:57] <eagles0513875> i have my music which i need since i am a dj
[08:57]  * eagles0513875 note to self keep a copy of all data on external hdd for back up
[08:57] <eagles0513875> brb rebooting again
[09:00] <eagles0513875> bah nothing :(
[09:00] <eagles0513875> anyway im going to run the repair utility off the windows dvd :( hopefully that will fix it but not fudge up my lucid install
[09:00] <eagles0513875> thanks for yalls help guys
[09:00] <Sensiva> It will overwrite grub
[09:00] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, It will definitely clobber grub ( but that can be fixed )
[09:01] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: fixed how
[09:01] <Sensiva> please read grub wiki before proceeding
[09:01]  * eagles0513875 goes and brings the mac laptop and hooks it up so i can have site up and possibly irc as well
[09:01] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, re-installing grub
[09:01] <eagles0513875> ahh
[09:01] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:01] <eagles0513875> brb
[09:02] <Sensiva> Systemintegrasjon has a tool that reinstalls Windows bootloaders in one command, but its under windows
[09:02] <Sensiva> I don't think it would work under wine
[09:03] <faileas> anyone familiar with upstart and can take a look at a script and make sure its correct before i test it?
[09:04] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: i can reinstall grub no problem
[09:04] <eagles0513875> sometimes i wish i wasnt a big time gamer
[09:04] <eagles0513875> i could live on osx and linux alone if i wasnt
[09:04] <faileas> lol
[09:04] <Jordan_U> Sensiva, I doubt that's for grub2 ( if it is though I'd be interested to possibly use it for super grub disk )
[09:04] <faileas> nothing wrong with using the right tool for the job
[09:04] <vish> eagles0513875: "now" is always a good time to quit ;)
[09:05] <eagles0513875> vish: not easy
[09:05]  * faileas games, and does audio recording in windows. everything else in linux
[09:05] <Sensiva> Jordan_U that tool will install any Windows bootloader without wasting time booting a cd and starting a repair
[09:06] <Jordan_U> Sensiva, What do you mean by "any windows bootloader"? Do you have a link for this program?
[09:06] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: i havecomputers coming out my back side lol i can let this one kill time not to mention it will allow me to focus on studying
[09:07] <Sensiva> Jordan_U scroll down to MBRFix http://www.sysint.no/products/Download/tabid/536/language/en-US/Default.aspx
[09:07] <yofel> faileas: not quite an expert but I know a bit about upstart so I wouldn't mind to look
[09:08] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: have you tested this program with wine on lucid?
[09:08] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 I understand, I am just bringing something into attention, there is a command line tool that does the job, but under windows only, we need it supported either under Linux or Wine
[09:08] <Jordan_U> Sensiva, grub-install works just fine :)
[09:08] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 nope, I tested it with WindowsXP and Windows7 only
[09:09] <ikonia> Sensiva: you don't need a solution on Linux - it's a windows tool/issue - use windows to fix it
[09:09] <Sensiva> Jordan_U You didn't get what I meant, perhaps my screwed English
[09:09]  * Sensiva rephrases
[09:09] <eagles0513875> so after i repair i need to reboot and reinstall grub again?
[09:10] <Sensiva> If Windows bootloader got messed up, I have to reinstall it, using a repair cd, then reinstall grub from a live cd.
[09:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: are you still not working on windows ?
[09:10] <ikonia> Sensiva: correct
[09:10] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ya its still not working some how my windows boot loader got screwed up somewhere
[09:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: common cause, is a non-chkdik'd windows partition before installing linux
[09:10] <Jordan_U> Sensiva, Ah, you mean for fixing the windows side of the problem.
[09:11] <Sensiva> If this tool supported to run under Linux by any mean, it will save rebooting two times, and helps the lack of Windows discs, and defected optical drives
[09:11] <Sensiva> Jordan_U exactly
[09:11] <eagles0513875> ikonia: might run check disk prior to running the repair after booting off the dvd
[09:11] <eagles0513875> brb
[09:12] <Viper1432> The problem there Sensiva  is pretty simple. windows is closed source and controlled by microsoft.  linux = open source.  To do what you want, would almost certainly require microsoft to initiate or allow it to occur, and that is probably like asking for icewater in hell.  But it would be nice.
[09:13] <eagles0513875> im back guys
[09:13] <eagles0513875> like this java web chat :)
[09:13] <Machtin> anyone else got any idea why i'm stuck in a state where my monitor is going to energy save mode if i have "/dev/mapper/home /home ext3 defaults 0 1" in my fstab? (without that line the energy save only lasts for 3 seconds or so)
[09:14] <Sensiva> Viper1432 there are software that does the same, and do those fancy stuff to Windows bootloaders, which means it can be done without providing extra info from MS
[09:14] <ikonia> Machtin: I'd get that logged as  bug - fstab should not dictate power managment
[09:14] <Machtin> ikonia: it doesn't..
[09:14] <ikonia> Machtin: what you've just said it does
[09:14] <eagles0513875> Sensiva lol your still going on about the win bootldr software
[09:15] <Sensiva> :D
[09:15] <kklimonda> heh, resume from hibernation takes ages
[09:15] <ikonia> Sensiva: it's not an Ubuntu/Linux issue - so it's not going to happen
[09:15] <Machtin> ikonia: hm.. i think something happens while the monitor is in that state. and if that line is in fstab, it's stuck with whatever it's supposed to do and therefore can't continue to exit the power save mode..
[09:15] <ikonia> Machtin: is that line valid ?
[09:16] <ikonia> Machtin: is /home mounted ?
[09:16] <Machtin> ikonia: it can't be - there was no prompt to enter my password
[09:16] <Sensiva> ah eagles0513875 btw, since you are dual booting, you must read grub2 guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 and installing grub4dos, and if you don't need any of the extra features that grub2 offers, go to grub legacy
[09:16] <Machtin> passphrase, actually.
[09:16] <eagles0513875> well repair did absolutly nothing
[09:16] <Sensiva> ikonia thanks for your support
[09:16] <ikonia> Machtin: so maybe that lines not valid
[09:17] <eagles0513875> repair did nothing from windows dvd
[09:17] <eagles0513875> found no errors
[09:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: do it manually
[09:17] <Machtin> ikonia: okay, how could i check?
[09:17] <Viper1432> !bugs vdpau
[09:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: read the info and do a recboot command with the right flags
[09:17] <eagles0513875> ikonia i did run chkdsk
[09:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: chkdsk won't fix anything
[09:17] <Machtin> ikonia: home    UUID=6408923b-e0d5-46dc-9d1e-990ac13d3320       none            luks <- this is the crypttab line, btw..
[09:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ahhh it's encyption
[09:18] <eagles0513875> ikonia ?
[09:18] <ikonia> Machtin: can you boot without that line - add the line back in when booted and do a mount -a ?
[09:18] <ikonia> eagles0513875: chkdisk won't fix your boot loader problems
[09:18] <Machtin> ikonia: yes
[09:18] <ikonia> Machtin: ah, so the line is valid then
[09:18] <Machtin> ok )
[09:18] <Machtin> :)
[09:18] <ikonia> Machtin: (when you do a mount -a, does it then mount home ?)
[09:19] <Machtin> well.. if i have that line in fstab, yes.
[09:19] <Viper1432> ! vdpau
[09:19] <Machtin> but i have to "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 home" first
[09:19] <Viper1432> ! libvdpau
[09:19] <Machtin> of course.. because like i said, i had no passphrase-prompt :/
[09:19] <eagles0513875> Viper1432 chill on the bot there is a delay
[09:19] <ikonia> Machtin: ok - so there is the problem, it's your encypriton setup
[09:20] <ikonia> Machtin: that's not happening at boot time
[09:20] <Viper1432> eagles0513875,  its replying to me in sep channel.  got what i needed.
[09:20] <Machtin> okay, i didn't get that.. what do you mean exactly with "not happening at boot time"?
[09:20] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, join ##windows for to get windows booting then come back here if whatever they suggest required clobbering grub.
[09:21] <ikonia> Machtin: /join ##windows
[09:21] <ikonia> oops
[09:21] <ikonia> sorry
[09:21] <Machtin> np :)
[09:21] <ikonia> that was meant for eagles0513875
[09:21] <eagles0513875> what was
[09:21] <ikonia> eagles0513875: don't worry
[09:21] <eagles0513875> sry was having issues being able to type :(
[09:21] <eagles0513875> damn java webchat
[09:21] <ikonia> Machtin: when you set it up manually - you have to do a cyrpt setup then it will mount
[09:21] <ikonia> Machtin: in the boot process that doesn't look like it's happening
[09:22] <Machtin> exactly, i don't even have any chance to type my passphrase anywhere.. that might be the problem
[09:22] <Machtin> but i have not the slightest clue how to solve that :/
[09:22] <Viper1432> oh and eagles0513875 , just in case you missed my reply to your "chill"....ubottu was responding just fine to me in a private chat.  I got what I needed.
[09:23] <Viper1432> lol
[09:24] <eagles0513875> Viper1432 ya i saw it i didnt see that you were piping the bot request to urself
[09:24] <ikonia> Machtin: what encyption guide do you do
[09:25] <Machtin> ikonia: puh.. that partition is quite old.. i set it up via cryptsetup
[09:25] <ikonia> Machtin: maybe worth checking out some current encryption guides
[09:25] <Machtin> is cryptsetup outdated?
[09:26] <Machtin> or: do have any suggestion for a guide?
[09:26] <vish> Viper1432: there should not be a space after !   >  use it as !factoid
[09:26] <vish> !libvdpau
[09:26] <vish> what  , it pmed me :/
[09:27] <vish> !grub2
[09:27] <vish> hmm..
[09:27] <Viper1432> vish,  I wanted several different things quick.  and exactly vish...all my requests went to a pm as well. which was fine as it wasn't overly spamming the channel with "i don't knows and such".  :D
[09:27] <vish> ;)
[09:28] <Viper1432> it also might only pm with stuff it has no clue about.  lol
[09:28] <Viper1432> !nvidia
[09:28] <vish> Viper1432: it is being shy to admit it publicly ;p
[09:28] <Viper1432> yep.  betting anything clueless its being all shy.  oh and lol to the similar thought pattern with you and I.  heh heh
[09:28] <Jordan_U> !msgthebot | Viper1432
[09:28] <ikonia> Machtin: don't think it's outdated, but auto mount at boot requires some tweaking
[09:29] <vish> ah , Viper1432 got it
[09:29] <vish> !info libvdpau
[09:29] <Machtin> ikonia: strange then... worked flawlessly in 9.10
[09:29] <ikonia> Machtin: oh wow, so it's still working quite currently
[09:30] <Viper1432> its all good guys.  there isnt' a libvdpau package....its libvdpau1 now.
[09:30] <eagles0513875> stupid java chat
[09:30] <eagles0513875> im back guys
[09:30] <kklimonda> seriously, rhythmbox stores passwords to last.fm and daap shares in the plaintext in gconf...
[09:30] <Viper1432> and its borked...or at least messed up with smplayer/mplayer at the moment.
[09:31] <Machtin> ikonia: i wonder why there is any energy save intervall at all.. wondered whether that might be the nouveau driver or anything else..
[09:31] <ikonia> Machtin: no idea
[09:31] <eagles0513875> ikonia: running check disk on the main windows partition seems to be busy fixing things
[09:31] <ikonia> eagles0513875: it won't fix your boot though - probablyh
[09:31] <Machtin> could have been, that i could see the problem, when the screen displays stuff instead of turning off
[09:32] <eagles0513875> ikonia: not linux related subject but with win and also on lin chkdsk and fsck respectivly have fixed some rather interesting issues for me
[09:32] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, You might try the javascript chat @ webchat.freenode.net
[09:32] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: im on my mac on kvirc
[09:32] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why are you telling me this ? I know exactly what fsck is capable of and what it can / cannot fix
[09:32] <aafuentes> im using a live cd to see why lucid is crashing, but i dont know where to find the logs... anybody can help me?
[09:33] <eagles0513875> aafuentes: the logs can be found /var/log there is also dmesg that might contain some useful information
[09:33] <aafuentes> i mean, where can i find the logs from the live cd?
[09:35] <aafuentes> do i have to mount the old file system?
[09:35] <aafuentes> or does the cdlive mount it somewhere
[09:36] <arand> aafuentes: if that is where the logs are yes,should be just a metter of clicking the disk in nautilus to mount it..
[09:37] <aafuentes> oh, i c it now. thanks arand
[09:40] <Machtin> hm. is there no longer a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:40] <eagles0513875> nope
[09:41] <Jordan_U> Machtin, It's been gone for a while :)
[09:41] <Machtin> possible, never needed it :D
[09:41] <Jordan_U> You can still create your own, it's just not needed by default
[09:41] <Ian_Corne> By default no, if you use the priopetary drivers, they will create one
[09:41] <Machtin> i see.. hm.
[09:42] <Machtin> iirc the propietary drivers resulted in "no screens found" :)
[09:42] <Ian_Corne> :p
[09:42] <Machtin> !nvidia
[09:43] <Jordan_U> Gotta love a context sensitive bot.
[09:44] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: bot needs some brains lol
[09:44] <Jordan_U> @lart eagles0513875
[09:44] <Jordan_U> Damn, doesn't work in #ubuntu+1
[09:45] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: whats lart
[09:45]  * eagles0513875 this chkdsk is gonna take a while :( only god knows how long it would if i had win installed on my 2tb hdd
[09:45] <ikonia> eagles0513875: we don't need a commentary please
[09:46] <eagles0513875> sry ill go comment to myself in offtopic lol
[09:46] <ikonia> cool, thanks
[09:53] <faileas> yofel: sorry for the delay : http://pastebin.com/uk6eGdpG
[09:54] <yofel> np, looking
[09:54] <glaucous> hello!  I'm trying to test lucid in karmic's virtualbox but it won't boot.  is there something I need to configure?
[09:54] <faileas> i'm currently getting an install to test. the command i'm execing works as an init.d script in karmic
[09:55] <glaucous> other oses (including win7) work, just not lucid
[09:55] <faileas> glaucous: won't install or won't boot?
[09:55] <glaucous> lubuntu alpha3 also has the same problem
[09:55] <faileas> glaucous: i had to use lilo on a previous install
[09:56] <faileas> if the current install works, i could prolly shove it on dropbox if it'll help, once i'm done
[09:56] <glaucous> faileas, I put the "cd" in and it shows me the menu but when I choose "try without installing" it hangs.  if I install it with the alternate "cd", first boot hangs
[09:56] <faileas> hmm
[09:56] <faileas> wierd.
[09:56] <faileas> glaucous: i'm currently trying a server install. i'll let you know how it went
[09:56] <glaucous> karmic isos work, but then when I upgrade that installation to lucid, it hangs on boot again
[09:57] <Machtin> ikonia: found out: if i use nvidia-current, i don't get to power save.. i have to alt+print+k to get to a root shell and can mount from there.. but i think that's not what it's meant to be..
[09:57] <glaucous> I'm thinking it's either a grub or a plymouth thing, but knowledge of those two subjects is almost nil
[09:57] <ikonia> Machtin: wow - that's an odd bug
[09:58] <Machtin> agreed
[09:58] <rww> glaucous: considering that plymouth has been hating me recently, I'd start with that.
[09:58] <arand> glaucous: turn off acpi in virtualbox, or install virtualbox.ose from my ppa (ppa:arand/virtaulbox) ;) or get the latest 3.1.4 beta from VBox homepage.
[09:58] <glaucous> arand, ok, brb
[09:58] <faileas> 3.14 isn't beta i think- my windows virtualbox install has been bugging me to install it ;p
[09:59] <arand> Ah, they released it then.
[09:59] <Machtin> ikonia: but again: without the line in fstab it works.. btw. i get prompted for the passphrase actually.. it actually hangs AFTER unlocking the key.. i probably just couldn't see the prompt without that current-driver
[09:59] <ikonia> that makes sense
[09:59] <arand> glaucous: relevant bug is:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/510571
[10:00] <faileas> ... eep
[10:00] <yofel> faileas: looks ok, but I'm not sure about the 'emit ...' line, the only script I know that uses emits is mountall.conf, maybe see how it's done there (or ask in #ubuntu-devel)
[10:00] <Machtin> ikonia: well, don't know.. i'd love to know why it's stuck after entering the phrase.. :)
[10:00] <faileas> yofel: emit just spits out a message
[10:01] <glaucous> after turning off vb's acpi, lubuntu is now happily booting.  I'll try the "real" lucid now
[10:01] <faileas> yofel: i used http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=74 as an example
[10:03] <yofel> faileas: and the script looks good in my opinion, I'm just not sure about the emit line, as upstart has 'emits ...' and 'echo ...' for messages
[10:04] <yofel> echo for messages
[10:04] <yofel> emits is for job control
[10:04] <faileas> yofel: oh well, that bit isn't important. i'll try it as soon as i have an install up
[10:04] <faileas> ahh
[10:04]  * faileas notes the docs were less than intuitve >_>
[10:04] <yofel> faileas: see mountall.conf for emtis and mountall-shell.conf for echo
[10:04] <yofel> faileas: indeed :(
[10:05] <faileas> oh
[10:05] <faileas> and what should the extention be?
[10:05] <glaucous> arand, thank you for your help and the reference to the bug.  I'm off to break lucid now :)
[10:05] <faileas> and do i need to do something to activate it, like i would for an init.d script?
[10:05] <faileas> (yes. i can't actually find a clear explaination of those two things. ><_
[10:06] <yofel> faileas: for the script? usually all scripts in /etc/init have a .conf extension, and no, upstart should read all scripts in the directory and start them according to the 'start on' statement
[10:06] <Damascene> does any one have the goldendict installed?
[10:06] <arand> glaucous: Break a lib! ;)
[10:07] <Damascene> Xlib:  extension "RECORD" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:07] <faileas> yofel: also, is the stop on part of the script essential? i don't actually need to stop the script on shutdown.
[10:08] <vish> has anyone noticed that if xchat is running for several hours , and when we close it it freezes?
[10:10] <yofel> faileas: I don't know really, I would leave it in
[10:11] <faileas> yofel: thanks. I think i got further along understanding it today, than the last few days of looking ;p
[10:23] <aafuentes> my lucid doesn't start after grub. (I just upgraded from karmic) --> syslog & xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/384988/
[10:24] <faileas> glaucous: other than an error message about plymouth, i got the server version to boot.
[10:26] <arand> aafuentes: is this in virtualbox?
[10:26] <aafuentes> ye arand
[10:27] <arand> aafuentes: turn off acpi in virtualbox, or install virtualbox.ose from my ppa (ppa:arand/virtaulbox) ;) or get the latest 3.1.4 beta from VBox homepage.
[10:27] <arand> aafuentes: relevant bug is:https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/510571
[10:27] <aafuentes> Ic arand... Thanks!!!! ;D
[10:27] <arand> aafuentes: 3.1.4 is not in beta anymore, btw
[10:32] <aafuentes> could you tell me where the acpi option is arand?
[10:32] <faileas> o0
[10:33] <arand> I'm not sure in lucid..
[10:33]  * faileas realised that he's running a VERY old version of vbox, and that's why i'm not having issues
[10:33] <faileas> acpi on the host/programme or the guest?
[10:33] <faileas> on the guest, add the line 'acpi=off' on the host it should be in machine settings
[10:33] <arand> aafuentes: otherwise it should be under system, for the specific vm
[10:34] <arand> aafuentes: or you could do what faileas says, result will be the same afaik.
[10:34] <arand> faileas: which version of vbox are you using?
[10:35] <faileas> 3.08 on windows ;p
[10:35] <arand> I'm wondering if we maybe should get a !vbox specifically mentioning this..
[10:36] <aafuentes> does it have another name? i cant find any acpi option anywhere
[10:37] <aafuentes> im using 3.1.2 ose
[10:37] <arand> faileas: that's not too old though, I mean that's what 9.10 uses, so theoretically it should have the same issue...
[10:37] <faileas> aafuentes: it should be in system
[10:37] <faileas> click on system on a switched off VM. its one of the extended features
[10:38] <aafuentes> i can enable io apic or enable efi (both are not ticked)
[10:38] <aafuentes> in extended features
[10:38] <faileas> hmm
[10:38] <faileas> that's odd
[10:39] <faileas> mine dosen't have efi as an option
[10:39] <arand> It might be gone as per: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/510571/comments/22
[10:39] <arand> you could always use the acpi=off as a boot parameter inside instead.
[10:40] <arand> faileas: or test my patched ppa package ;)
[10:40] <faileas> arand: i can't, since i'm running windows ;p
[10:41] <faileas> and its working
[10:41] <arand> faileas: Ah :-)
[10:41] <faileas> and if this works, i can do a ipv6 setup guide for my tunnel broker for lucid ;p
[10:42] <arand> Oh hang on I confused you with aa, nickcolor.pl gave you both purple :)
[10:44] <faileas> ;p
[10:45]  * faileas rather likes the programme though. i pretty much think i can get it to act like vmware server once i get the hang of upstart ;p
[10:47] <arand> aafuentes: Seems like acpi option is gone in 3.1.2, you could use the acpi=off boot option, or test my patched ppa package ;)
[10:48] <aafuentes> i used VBoxManage modifyvm <uuid|machine name> --acpi on|off
[10:48] <aafuentes> It works now... thanks :D
[10:48] <aafuentes> ^0^
[10:48] <faileas> lol
[10:48] <faileas> vbox cli FTW ;)
[10:49] <faileas> its actually one of the features that i feel is underated
[10:51] <virtuald> am i the only one who don't get an authentication failed-message if i enter the wrong password in gksu(do)? it just disappears
[10:51] <virtuald> i can't find a bug on launchpad
[10:52] <arand> I'm wondering if we maybe should get a !vbox specifically mentioning this..
[10:57] <faileas> ok, the script runs, but it runs too early
[10:57] <faileas> not impossible to fix ;p
[11:00] <virtuald> can someone reproduce?
[11:01] <faileas> aafuentes has the same issue. i don't
[11:01] <aafuentes> what?
[11:02] <aafuentes> i didnt get to see gdm
[11:02] <faileas> ...
[11:02] <faileas> my bad
[11:02] <faileas> i got confused >_>
[11:02] <aafuentes> ^0^
[11:02]  * faileas goes back to trying to beat upstart into working
[11:02] <aafuentes> :D if some1 can, thats you faileas
[11:03] <faileas> lol
[11:03] <faileas> i got it 'working' it starts too early
[11:03] <faileas> and seriously, the documentation is terrible
[11:04] <faileas> i need to work out if i can use an upstart script as the trigger for another upstart script now
[11:28] <eagles0513875> :(
[11:31] <eagles0513875> still cant boot :(
[11:31] <eagles0513875> any more ideas
[11:32] <m0ar> eagles0513875: What's the problem? :)
[11:33] <eagles0513875> cant boot onto my windows partition :(
[11:33] <eagles0513875> yofel:  and i compared notes and he is able 2
[11:33] <m0ar> eagles0513875: You reinstalled grub?
[11:33] <eagles0513875> m0ar: O_o
[11:33] <eagles0513875> why would i
[11:34] <m0ar> eagles0513875: That's the problem tho
[11:34] <eagles0513875> m0ar: i need to reinstall grub O_o
[11:34] <m0ar> eagles0513875: Grub2 isn't aware of your windows-partition would be my guess
[11:34] <eagles0513875> m0ar: i ran sudo update-grub which added it to the list that isnt my issue
[11:34] <m0ar> eagles0513875: Had the same problem, and I reconfigured grub => workeen
[11:35] <m0ar> I've done it a few times, and it's not as hard as it sounds
[11:35] <eagles0513875> m0ar: reconfigured it how by reinstalling
[11:35] <eagles0513875> help me out :)
[11:35] <m0ar> But I'm not 100% sure of how it works, so I'd rather see someone else helping you out :/
[11:36] <eagles0513875> m0ar: you want me to reinstall grub 2
[11:36] <m0ar> eagles0513875: I'd guess that's the problem, but I'm not used to tinkering with grub2
[11:36] <m0ar> eagles0513875: Ask in ##linux? :)
[11:36] <m0ar> eagles0513875: on irc.freenode.net
[11:37] <Damascene> eagles0513875, maybe you should provide you grub.cfg and the error you get from windows and paste it on the pastebin so it would be easier to help
[11:37] <eagles0513875> Damascene: cant even boot into windows i get a black screen and all it says is GRUB
[11:37] <eagles0513875> nothing else happens
[11:37] <eagles0513875> grub.cfg is default one had to run sudo update-grub to get windows listed
[11:38] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/8eaYTN7d
[11:38] <eagles0513875> thats my grub.cfg
[11:38] <Damascene> try to mount windows partition manually from the grub command line
[11:39] <m0ar> Damascene: Tell him how to?
[11:39] <eagles0513875> m0ar: read my mind on that one
[11:40] <m0ar> I figured
[11:40] <Damascene> just as in the grub file.
[11:40] <Damascene> root (hd0,1)
[11:40] <eagles0513875> im starting to wonder if the issue is having windows on one drive to itself and linux on another partitioned hdd
[11:40] <m0ar> eagles0513875: Shouldn't be a problem if you configure it right
[11:40] <Damascene> you can change the value to check where is your system
[11:41] <eagles0513875> Damascene: whats the command to check the uuid of an hdd
[11:41] <Damascene> 0 means 1st hard disk
[11:41] <eagles0513875> i know
[11:41] <Damascene> I've had a problem with the uuid so I just deleted that line and it worked
[11:41] <eagles0513875> might have to do the same
[11:41] <eagles0513875> should i edit it from the grub.cfg file or grub prompt
[11:42] <eagles0513875> yofel: does your setup use uuid? or not
[11:42] <Damascene> I think it's better to do it from the grub command line because you can do it easily
[11:43] <eagles0513875> ok but to do it permanently wont i need to edit the grub.cfg
[11:43] <Damascene> yes after success
[11:44] <eagles0513875> no im on grub editing the options what do i need to remove after search
[11:44] <eagles0513875> there is the following
[11:44] <eagles0513875> --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set UUID
[11:44] <Damascene> try to remove that
[11:44] <eagles0513875> the whole line
[11:44] <Damascene> yes
[11:44] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:45] <Damascene> brb
[11:45] <eagles0513875> nothing
[11:45] <eagles0513875> black screen and GRUB again
[11:45] <eagles0513875> im off to have lunch ill hit you up later to continue trouble shooting this Damascene
[11:45] <faileas> right. need a bit more upstart help. what should be my 'start' event if i want something to start after eth0 is up?
[11:46] <Damascene> eagles0513875, np but I'm just a normal user as you
[11:46] <Damascene> but I've fixed my grub many times
[11:57] <happosade> My ludic wont find the internet.
[11:57] <happosade> It was connected few minutes ago, but now it has lost it.
[11:57] <faileas> hmm
[11:59] <happosade> Any ideas?
[12:00] <happosade> Gdm also crashes after reboot when I hit first time enter
[12:05] <Sa[i]nT> How do I upgrade to lynx with apt?
[12:09] <robin0800> Sa[i]nT: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:18] <madurasszs> hey how can i reset the xorg.conf (i upgraded to lucid from karmic,fglrx is not supported)
[12:19] <madurasszs> helloo
[12:28] <zniavre> happosade, uninstalling plymouth is a workaround
[12:34] <eagles0513875> Damascene: im back
[12:35] <eagles0513875> anyone else with ideas to get windows to boot for me :(
[12:37] <virtuald> shit
[12:37] <virtuald> running lshw fucked up my display :p
[12:37] <eagles0513875> !language  virtuald
[12:37] <eagles0513875> !language  | virtuald
[12:39] <virtuald> switching to console and back fixed it
[12:43] <robin0800> virtuald: thats a bug I have it too
[12:44] <eagles0513875> any grub nuts in here or dual boot users able to help me trouble shoot a rather annoying issue
[12:44] <virtuald> robin0800: with the i915 driver?
[12:46] <robin0800> virtuald: ati here
[12:46] <virtuald> ok
[12:47] <virtuald> do you know if it's reported?
[12:50] <virtuald> didn't find any bug about that
[12:50] <Oxymoron> Gah I hate this, Lucid should WORK NOW. It does not load into tty7, it force into tty2 instead :S I am using vbox 3.1.4 and I dont understand why its not working? I have updated all the latest packages and everything.
[12:52] <virtuald> robin0800: please confirm bug 528974
[12:55] <robin0800> virtuald: no mine just dosn't boot to tty7 it hangs you then selcet tty1 then tty7 log on screen appears enter password log on crashes log on reapears and is now ok
[12:56] <virtuald> ok
[13:04] <mdlueck> Where can I look up the files that are used to package a certain package? I would like to look at the install script which executes when a certain package installs.
[13:06] <zzd> need help on resetting xorg
[13:06] <zzd> it doesn't even load up terminals
[13:06] <mdlueck> @zzd: what do you mean by that second comment?
[13:07] <mdlueck> Can you not Ctrl-Alt-F# and get to a term screen then?
[13:07] <zzd> ya
[13:07] <zzd> mdlueck
[13:07] <mdlueck> Oy! Pretty sick! Sorry, that is the only back door I know of.
[13:08] <zzd> im in thru a live cd
[13:08] <mdlueck> ??? Live CD's respond to Ctrl-Alt-F#
[13:08] <zzd> mdlueck isn't there anyway to get xorg runnig with minimal graphics or something
[13:09] <mdlueck> Years ago yes I do remember Ubuntu CD's having a choice of graphic level... I forgot about that option.
[13:10] <zzd> mdlueck anyway to reset the xorg to use default settings ??
[13:13] <zzd> mdlueck: ??
[13:13] <mdlueck> zzd: Suggest you see if this still works. From the 8.10 release docs... Hangs with desktop effects on Intel 830MG and 845G video cards  There is a bug in the Intel video driver for the older intel 830 and 845 integrated video cards that are used on laptops like the IBM R30. Desktop effects with compiz will not work on those chips and will freeze the system. For new installations, please...
[13:13] <mdlueck> ...install using the safe graphics mode (press F4 in the startup screen) on these systems and disable desktop effects via System -> Preferences -> Appearance, clicking on "Visual effects" and choosing "None".
[13:14] <zzd> mdlueck  nothing loads up!! not even the logon screen!
[13:14] <mdlueck> Do you see the initial Live CD screen that comes up with a list of languages?
[13:15] <zzd> i get it on live cd
[13:15] <mdlueck> OK, that is good
[13:15] <zzd> but i want to fix the installation on my hard drive
[13:15] <zzd> i'll have to edit some files on xorg but don't know which
[13:16] <mdlueck> ??? So the installer went through to the end, and installed something that can not work on your box?
[13:16] <zzd> no i upgraded 9.10 to 10.04
[13:16] <zzd> now it doesn;t work
[13:17] <mdlueck> Oh, I understand...
[13:17] <zzd> mdlueck: any ideas on how to fix?
[13:17] <mdlueck> So forgetting the Live CD, can you Ctrl-Alt-F# when booting off of the HDD?
[13:18] <zzd> no
[13:18] <zzd> cant get in to a terminal from HDD
[13:18] <mdlueck> So you are thinking to boot off of a Live CD and edit the config of the HDD install... (getting the idea...)
[13:18] <zzd> mdlueck:
[13:19] <zzd> yea
[13:19] <mdlueck> What sort of graphics board / what driver? I only work with nVidia boards and only use Envy to install the drivers.
[13:20] <zzd> ATI
[13:21] <zzd> i just want to reset xorg to use the default drivers so it works on any hardware
[13:21] <mdlueck> And what driver, Ubuntu or binary installed somehow?
[13:21] <mdlueck> aaaahhh, got an idea!
[13:21] <zzd> fglrx
[13:22] <eagles0513875> anyone else with ideas as to why i cant boot into my windows partition
[13:22] <eagles0513875> grub 2 has everythign setup correctly but all i get is a black screen then GRUB pops up and that is it
[13:22] <mdlueck> Hand copy in an xorg.conf from a minimal install which has low res graphics
[13:22] <zzd> it says glx on xorg.conf --- the upgrader has removed the fglrx line
[13:22] <zzd> yea im trying to do that
[13:24] <mdlueck> Need me to copy a minimal xorg.conf out of my 10.04 VM?
[13:24] <zzd> no no
[13:24] <zzd> you probably have nvidia drivers loaded?
[13:24] <zzd> no wait give give me that
[13:24] <zzd> :P
[13:24] <mdlueck> No, I meant minimal out of a VM session
[13:25] <zzd> mdlueck: lets see what happens
[13:25] <zzd> yea
[13:25] <mdlueck> before I install the VirtualBox VM tools
[13:25] <zzd> can u send me the file?
[13:25] <mdlueck> eagles0513875: What version of Windows?
[13:25] <zzd> xorg.conf
[13:25] <eagles0513875> windows 7
[13:25] <eagles0513875> mdlueck: 7 ultimate 64bit to be more exact
[13:26] <zzd> eagles0513875: you have to make some changes to grub
[13:26] <mdlueck> zzd: Ack, let me check though my VM's for a version w/o tools. Maybe I need to start a new one, actually. I think I did manage to get tools installed to all of the current ones
[13:27] <zzd> k
[13:27] <mdlueck> eagles0513875: Sorry, not mess'n with Vista or 7. Windows 2000 will not boot either. XP does fine.
[13:27] <eagles0513875> mdlueck: what makes even less sense is yofel has a setup which works
[13:28] <zzd> mdlueck did u get the file?
[13:29] <mdlueck> zzd: Double checking VirtualBox... I think I installed VB Tools to every 10.04 VM session I have currently.
[13:29] <zzd> ah
[13:29] <mdlueck> Haffa start a clean one.
[13:31] <zzd> wait
[13:31] <mdlueck> Ahh, I just remembered what I wanted another VM set up for, so I will start abother baking.  Oh oh... ;-)
[13:31] <zzd> i got one from the net
[13:31] <mdlueck> Cool!
[13:31] <zzd> mdlueck:
[13:31] <zzd> i'll use it n see
[13:32] <zzd> thanks for the help
[13:32] <mdlueck> Good news!
[13:32] <zzd> :P
[13:32] <zzd> cant be sure of it though!
[13:34] <MenZa> This is odd -- whenever I run sudo lshw -c memory | less, my X colours are scrambled (pink and green is mostly noticable), and I get a load of noise on my screen. Tab to tty1 and back to gdm and it's fine o_o
[13:34] <MenZa> Can anyone confirm having experienced this issue?
[13:36] <MenZa> (this is an Intel GMA945 with the intel driver)
[13:37] <penguin42> MenZa: I think lshw tends to run one of the x commands to tell it about the X server (xdpyinfo?) and that has a habit of waking up all the odd corners of the driver
[13:38] <MenZa> Aha
[13:38] <penguin42> although, actually I don't see why it does that for the-c
[13:38] <penguin42>  -c memory
[13:39] <MenZa> penguin42: True...
[13:40] <penguin42> MenZa: Actually, I take that back - I don't think it is using the xdpyinfo stuff
[13:40] <penguin42> MenZa: It might be interesting to see if any of the options help - e.g. -disable dmi
[13:40] <MenZa> With the -c flag?
[13:40] <penguin42> yeh
[13:40] <penguin42> -c memory -disable dmi
[13:41] <MenZa> running.
[13:41] <MenZa> Same issue. I wonder if it's screenshottable.
[13:42] <MenZa> The screenshot looks fine.
[13:42] <penguin42> MeYou mgiht want to try intel_reg_dumper before and after
[13:44] <MenZa> intel_gpu_dump, you mean?
[13:44] <penguin42> erm well my karmic box has intel_reg_dumper !
[13:44] <MenZa> I have intel_reg_write
[13:45] <MenZa> [14:44:46] menza@kashyyyk - / $ intel_
[13:45] <MenZa> intel_gpu_dump               intel_reg_write              intel_upload_blit_large      intel_upload_blit_large_map
[13:45] <MenZa> intel_gpu_top                intel_stepping               intel_upload_blit_large_gtt  intel_upload_blit_small
[13:45] <MenZa> That's the intel_ programs I have in my PATH at least
[13:45] <penguin42> guess it's intel_gpu_dump these days then - it just dumps all the registers out - useful to attach to a bug report
[13:46] <MenZa> Ah :)
[13:46] <penguin42> you can see which registers changed either side of the lshw
[13:46] <MenZa> interesting
[13:46] <MenZa> so I run it before issuing lshw -c memory, and after issuing it?
[13:47] <MenZa> to allow for a diff
[13:48] <penguin42> yeh
[13:49] <MenZa> and I file a bug in xorg, or what?
[13:58] <penguin42> heck I don't know!
[13:58] <MenZa> penguin42: well, filed!
[13:58] <MenZa> cheers :)
[14:00]  * penguin42 goes away for a while
[14:00] <jo-erlend> I just did "rmadison gnome-desktop", and I was surprised to find the version 2.29. I thought Lucid would stick with 2.28?
[14:01] <jo-erlend> that is, gnome-desktop is 2.29, but gnome-desktop-environment is 2.29. Can someone explain that?
[14:02] <abhi__> hi guys.
[14:02] <abhi__> i m thinking to give a try to 10.04.
[14:02] <abhi__> beta version....
[14:03] <abhi__> is it stable enough to be used ???
[14:03] <MenZa> There is no beta version yet.
[14:04] <mdlueck> abhi__ : A3 looks quite good. Try it in a VM or on a test box.
[14:04] <MenZa> The alpha isn't for you unless you want to get down and dirty, and be prepared to report bugs when they occur :)
[14:04] <abhi__> ok...
[14:04] <MenZa> (There are stupid people in the world who use it on their production systems -- like myself!)
[14:04] <abhi__> :)
[14:05] <abhi__> really
[14:06] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:06] <MenZa> \o
[14:21] <kklimonda> hmm, can someone get this small program: http://pastebin.com/Mzc72KWw
[14:21] <kklimonda> then compile it gcc -o keyring keyring.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gnome-keyring-1 gtk+-2.0`
[14:21] <kklimonda> then lock their default keychain (applications->accessories->passwords.. and then press right mouse on keyring and lock it)
[14:22] <kklimonda> then run the compiled program - a small window with button is going to pop up
[14:22] <kklimonda> then press the button, unlock the keyring and paste the output somewhere
[14:22] <kklimonda> mostly I'm interested if you get "Password stored successfully" after unlocking
[14:35] <ikt> anyone installed the alpha 3 netbook edition?
[14:54] <CosmiChaos> is it possible to have a dual-row taskbar in gnome?
[14:54] <CosmiChaos> btw the symbol for audio in this new unified message applet is broke :(
[14:55] <CosmiChaos> when i open the audio-config it opens up the gnome-config window plus a ugly white not working gtk1 that i can only kill with xkill
[14:57] <danyR> hi there guys. just a thing that crossed my mind: with the new  gwibber api, shouldn't we be able to tweet/dent/share what  we're currently listening to?
[14:58] <danyR> directly from rhythmbox?
[15:00] <kklimonda> danyR: it sounds like something from my nightmare
[15:01] <jo-erlend> CosmiChaos, yes, if you just make the panel high enough, then the taskbar will use more rows.
[15:01] <CosmiChaos> how can i make it higher?
[15:01] <danyR> kklimonda: i would bet in selective sharing. i don't really want to know *everything* that my contacts are listening to
[15:02] <CosmiChaos> yeah it works xD
[15:02] <CosmiChaos> 52 px makes it dual rowe
[15:04] <jo-erlend> :Æ9
[15:13] <mdlueck> Where do the files exist in Ubuntuland to build this package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/i386/djbdns/filelist
[15:14] <mdlueck> The scripts contained within the .deb package I mean
[15:14] <mdlueck> They do not show up in the file list, yet they are parts of the entire package
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[15:17] <mdlueck> Ahhh, FINALLY, think I found what I was looking for... http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/lucid/djbdns
[15:21] <eagles0513875> anyone know if there is an update to grub 2 in the pipe line
[15:28] <Sensiva> Hello, I spent more than 4 hours trying to find how can I select which packages to install using alternative CD and didn't have any luck, Any ideas how?
[15:28] <soee> iv just installed kubuntu  10.04 b3 and i must say its a bit faster than 9.10 :) gj
[15:29] <soee> the only problem is i had to update the fresh installation of 9.10 :/
[15:30] <soee> i couldnt start installer from cd - thats one, and the second thing after first update (old 9.10) my keyboard and mouse didnt worked :/
[15:30] <soee> so i couldnt login :)
[15:36] <wirechief> ubuntu alpha 3 boots very slow, at least 3 minutes on amd64 with ati x1300, ubuntu 9.10 boots fast on same commputer, any suggestions ?
[15:37] <mdlueck> Anyone know the standard syntax to apply the Ubuntu diff of a package to the original package source once it has been unpacked?
[15:39] <benste> where to report major issues with today daily build ?
[15:39] <eagles0513875> benste: www.launchpad.net
[15:39] <benste> :-) which package?
[15:40] <eagles0513875> benje: anythign that your having issues with one package at a time hehe
[15:40] <mdlueck> benste: Where do you see the issue?
[15:40] <benste> eagles0513875: guess there is no package amd64-desktop build in generel he he :-)
[15:41] <eagles0513875> benste: i wouldnt file it against any one particular package just in general and who ever works on it can pinpoint the package if you give enough detail and what not
[15:41] <benste> mdlueck: I'Ve tested multiple types of media but it starts with GRUB which comes up lots slower than beofre
[15:41] <benste> eagles0513875: I'm sure it's not a grub but a build issue
[15:42] <eagles0513875> benste: have you updated today?
[15:42] <wirechief> benste my alpha 3 is taking almost 3 min to boot
[15:42] <benste> wirechief: amd64 desktop ?
[15:42] <wirechief> yes
[15:42] <benste> eagles0513875: I was talking of the daily :-) updated 6h ago or so
[15:43] <wirechief> same desktop with 9.10 boots fast
[15:43] <eagles0513875> benste: and wirechief run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to see if there are any updated packages
[15:43] <benste> wirechief: same laptop with i386 desktop works fluently
[15:43] <benste> :-)
[15:43] <benste> and A2 daily builds were ok too
[15:43] <wirechief> im using a 32bit version of alpha 3
[15:43] <Sensiva> eagles0513875 Can I select which packages to install during alternate install method of Lucid?
[15:44] <eagles0513875> Sensiva: i think you would need the net install for that and btw grub still wont let me boot windows
[15:44] <eagles0513875> seems like more updates have come down the pipeline since this morning
[15:44] <Sensiva> duh I don't wanna download something I already downloaded
[15:45] <benste> 2nd issue is after choosing in entry in grub you'll get a black screen and nothing (even on test image), chooising try withouht installing you'll get a strange field of colors (which is a fail booted GDM like in A2) - if you restart GDM with ALT+SysReq+K - you'll gett a full sized GDM but withouht ANY user
[15:45] <eagles0513875> benste: i didnt have that issue as i upgraded from karmic to lucid
[15:45] <eagles0513875> so i cant help you with that
[15:45] <Sensiva> If you can't trace where the problem is and report it, then grub legacy you go
[15:46] <benste> it's kinda strange did everyone of you get the right GDM at first attempt ? no one had to restart it - every one had a live session user ?
[15:46] <wirechief> no i had to use nomodset and noapic
[15:47] <wirechief> but after the install i didnt have to use it but it is extremely slow
[15:51] <mdlueck> I am trying to get the sources to what Ubuntu used to package djbdns in Lucid. I have unpacked the source, unpacked the diff, and am trying to apply the diff with "patch djbdns_1.05-6.diff" however that command takes forever w/o drive activity. Suggestions?
[15:53] <eagles0513875> this is interesting
[15:54] <eagles0513875> apt-cache policy is showing grub2 as not installed
[15:55] <jpds> eagles0513875: Yes
[15:55] <jpds> eagles0513875: It's called grub-pc.
[15:56] <eagles0513875> jpds: humm ok i wonder if installing just the grub2 package would fix my windows boot issue
[15:56] <mdlueck> Aaahh, figured out patch: "patch < djbdns_1.05-6.diff" did the trick!
[16:00] <eagles0513875> jpds: im having issues where windows wont boot for me
[16:00] <eagles0513875> i get black screen then all it says is GRUB and stops
[16:00] <eagles0513875> yofel:  has a working dual boot
[16:01] <eagles0513875> im out of idas
[16:01] <eagles0513875> :(
[16:07] <eagles0513875> hey yofel
[16:59] <tertitten> I updated to alpha3 from 9.10, now I can't boot the windows partition anymore even though grub points to the right partition. .. the boot partition for windows is on sda1, that would be hd0,1 right ?
[17:04] <un214> I've got one nice annoying bug. setfont now correctly loads my console settings, but it doesn't run at boot. It would be really nice if it ran in the initrd so that most recovery options worked.
[17:04] <arand> tertitten: that's right.. if you run an "update-grub" does it mention detecting windows?
[17:04] <mdlueck> tertitten: 9.10 already had grub2. grub2 has automatic detection of other OS's on other partitions. Perhaps something is wrong with the auto detection of Windows in some cases.
[17:05] <tertitten> arand, update-grub or update-grub2 ?
[17:05] <mdlueck> I should retest XP with the Alpha3 release
[17:05] <arand> tertitten: either, if you have grub2 they're the same.
[17:06] <tertitten> mdlueck, during the update i got a question if i wanted to replace grub or keep excisting, I naturally thought that it would find the settings when choosing replace
[17:06] <tertitten> grub settings that is
[17:06] <mdlueck> Should not have mattered
[17:06] <mdlueck> Did you customize grub before on 9.10?
[17:06] <tertitten> mdlueck, no I did not ..
[17:07] <tertitten> well, I did, hmm, I added blocking of ipv6
[17:07] <mdlueck> OK, then it should have worked since settings were defaul
[17:07] <mdlueck> grub2 cares about ipv6????
[17:08] <tertitten> you can disable ipv6 using grub yes
[17:08] <mdlueck> Which flavour of Windows in your case
[17:08] <tertitten> win7
[17:08] <mdlueck> OK, heard someone else carrying on about Win7 and Lucid grun
[17:09] <mdlueck> Does not work with Windows 2000 either. Alpha 2 worked fine with Windows XP Pro, however.
[17:09] <tertitten> the wierd thing is that during boot in the grub menu I've tried pretty much any combination I could come up with (editing the commandline) to no help
[17:09] <tertitten> ok
[17:10] <mdlueck> I have logged the Win 2000 prob @ GNU already. No Win7 to help test with.
[17:10] <tertitten> I'll restore windows boot menu then and add ubuntu to the windows bootmenu ...
[17:11] <tertitten> as far as I remember there is a app that can do this for windows. ..
[17:11] <arand> easyBCD
[17:11] <mdlueck> Quite possibly, tertitten
[17:11] <mdlueck> Lilo off the Lucid alt CD works as well
[17:12] <tertitten> arand, was that the name ?
[17:12] <mdlueck> Took me a while to remember how to display a boot menu with Lilo
[17:12] <arand> tertitten: yes, but did you try grub-update?
[17:13] <tertitten> arand, tried update-grub it's still working ..
[17:13] <tertitten> Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
[17:13] <tertitten> Found Windows Vista (loader) on /dev/sdd1
[17:14] <tertitten> hmm, it might work now then ?
[17:14] <arand> Worth a try.
[17:14] <tertitten> wierd, I did a update-grub2 earlyar and it did not find anything. . and with update-grub it finds windows :)
[17:14] <arand> I've seen cases where that fixed it..
[17:15] <tertitten> wierd, OK, I'll try a reboot ...
[17:15] <tertitten> thanks for your help guys
[17:16] <arand> tertitten: but you are using grub2?
[17:26] <yofel> eagles0513875: that was my ISP changing my IP ;)
[17:26] <yofel> *IP address
[17:37] <tiemonster> is PHP 5.3 going to be included in Lucid?
[17:40] <arand> common question, I don't think so but I relly don't know..
[17:40] <vega> packages.ubuntu.com
[17:40] <vega> check from there, it's not going to change anymore
[17:40] <arand> tiemonster: There's always https://edge.launchpad.net/~zulcss/+archive/php5.3-lucid/+packages
[17:40] <arand> !info php5
[17:41] <tiemonster> arand: can I install that on Karmic?
[17:42] <arand> tiemonster: dunno
[17:43] <tiemonster> arand: better off installing from source, then?
[17:44] <arand> I really don't know, sorry.
[17:44] <tiemonster> arand: ok. thanks for responding at least.
[17:58] <tntc> flashplugin-installer still seems to be pointing to the "wrong" download and dying with a nasty 404.  How would I go about installing the flash plugin?  Should I be manually downloading it and dropping it into the firefox plugins folder or something?
[17:58] <tntc> I'm on x86_64, btw.
[18:05] <phaidros> any news on crypt passphrase request (or the lack of) during boot?
[18:07] <phaidros> puh, strange how many packages come together if you like media production, compile some stuff now and then and keep up a system during several version dist-upgrades
[18:07] <jpds> I get a request.
[18:07] <phaidros> 'am now reducing from ~3500 installed packages .. even >550 are obsolete, lol
[18:07] <eagles0513875> tntc: 404 is because its black listed dude to a bug
[18:07] <phaidros> jpds: don't ask to ask
[18:08] <jpds> phaidros: I'm not.
[18:08] <eagles0513875> tntc: i have flash installed but i used the k/ubuntu-restricted-extras which as all restriced formats from flash to java to codecs etc
[18:08] <tntc> eagles0513875: o_O really? Must be a heck of a bug for an alpha to be blacklisting it.  Any suggestions?
[18:08] <eagles0513875> tntc: you on kubuntu or ubuntu
[18:09] <phaidros> jpds: 19:07 < jpds> I get a request.  .. what is your request then?
[18:09] <tntc> I use the ubuntu-restricted-extras, but it doesn't pull in flash I don't think.
[18:09] <tntc> eagles0513875: ubuntu right now, but I'm about to be on kubuntu as well.
[18:09] <eagles0513875> tntc: it does its just a meta package pointing towards all the packages like flash etc
[18:09] <eagles0513875> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[18:09] <tntc> eagles0513875: right, but it points to the broken flash package, doesn't it?
[18:09] <jpds> phaidros: I get a request for a crypt password on boot.
[18:09] <eagles0513875> tntc: no works for me but im on kubuntu
[18:09] <phaidros> jpds: aaah, now I understand :)
[18:10] <phaidros> jpds: which kernel version?
[18:10] <tntc> eagles0513875: huh. well that's promising at any rate.  My SD card just finished writing, so I'm going to go upstairs and throw it on my desktop.  thanks eagles0513875.
[18:10] <phaidros> (stopped working for me since -13)
[18:10] <jpds> phaidros: 2.6.32-14-generic
[18:10] <phaidros> jpds: ok, thanx for confirming that it *should* work, so I try and reinstall some packages.
[18:10] <eagles0513875> tntc: no problem i dont know why you are having issues with it it installed just fine the flash wrapper and it is a bit of a ram hog
[18:10] <jpds> phaidros: I upgraded from karmic yesterday.
[18:11] <eagles0513875> jpds: do you have dual boot setup?
[18:11] <phaidros> jpds: yeah, I go with lucid since ~2 months now.
[18:11] <jpds> eagles0513875: No.
[18:11] <eagles0513875> jpds: at least your lucky
[18:12] <eagles0513875> i think there is a nasty bug in kubuntu to say the least with dual booting with windows 7
[18:15] <phaidros> hm, which packages are actually involved in the boot process / crypt thing?
[18:15] <phaidros> kernel, headers (?), mkinitrd ?
[18:18] <penguin42> wouldn't be surprised if plymouth and mountall as well?
[19:00] <belak> Alright, I need help with grub
[19:01] <belak> I did a new install from a daily xubuntu build and grub simply failed... for no aparent reason
[19:01] <belak> So, I updated the config file and installed grub manually and rebooted
[19:01] <belak> But it kicked me to a command line
[19:02] <belak> So I had to do configfile /grub/load.cfg then it just started
[19:02] <belak> What could be wrong?
[19:02] <belak> Rather, how can I fix it?
[19:02] <BluesKaj> belak, sudo update-grub
[19:02] <belak> Wow.
[19:02] <belak> That easy?
[19:02] <belak> Thanks
[19:03] <BluesKaj> it will rewrite the grub settings to the cfg file
[19:03] <belak> So, what is the load.cfg file for?
[19:04] <napsy> Hello. I can't run ubuntu-daily in VirtualBox. Is anyone else having similar problems?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> part of the cfg , i think ..never encountered that before , but when you edit the grub.cfg always update-grub afterwards
[19:05] <belak> Thanks a ton.
[19:05] <BluesKaj> np
[19:05] <belak> I've been running gentoo, so I felt a bit more confidant about this... then this whole issue...
[19:05] <belak> :P
[19:06] <BluesKaj> belak, you see the warning about editing the grub.cfg file right ? , gotta be careful
[19:06] <mdlueck> napsy: I have VB installed via the VB repository on 9.04, working fine for me.
[19:06] <mdlueck> napsy: What are you seeing?
[19:06] <napsy> mdlueck: I have VirtualBox 3.1.2
[19:07] <napsy> mdlueck: I see the boot menu and when I select Install nothing happens ... it's black
[19:07] <mdlueck> napsy: 3.1.4 amd some patch level
[19:07] <mdlueck> napsy: Very weird
[19:07] <mdlueck> napsy: and, not amd
[19:07] <burivoy> Hi there.
[19:07] <kristian_> I need help with wacom drivers
[19:08] <kristian_> all information I have is for HAL and Lucid does not have hal
[19:08] <espen77> "/etc/default/grub" might be a better option than grub.cfg?
[19:08] <kristian_> so where do I start?
[19:08] <kristian_> I try to find the wacom-tools package but can't find it
[19:08] <mdlueck> napsy: Does VB boot other versions of Ubuntu, 9.10 for example
[19:08] <burivoy> I can't start X on hp pavilion.
[19:08] <BluesKaj> espen77, better oprion , what options , there aren't many in default grub
[19:08] <kristian_> this is a Lenovo X60
[19:09] <napsy> mdlueck: I'll try the alpha version
[19:09] <espen77> BluesKaj: than to edit grub.cfg sins it is autogenerated when system is changed
[19:09] <mdlueck> napsy: ???
[19:10] <mdlueck> napsy: What were you trying that was not working?
[19:10] <burivoy> Gents, could someone help me, please?
[19:10] <napsy> mdlueck: I was trying to boot the installation on the daily images
[19:10] <mdlueck> napsy: Great success with the alpha 3 build, so I would try that image
[19:10] <napsy> ok
[19:11] <BluesKaj> espen77, ok give us an example of an optional edit in default grub
[19:11] <espen77> !bug 522318
[19:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, I thought so
[19:12] <BluesKaj> ok bbl, got stuff to do ...errands
[19:13] <burivoy> Is anybody in?
[19:13] <burivoy> The ceremony is about to begin.
[19:59] <duffydack> tough decision do i use torrent at 20k/s with 48 peers, or use http at 600k/s.... hmmmmm
[20:00] <duffydack> i knoiw i *should* use torrents but, what the ......no way
[20:01] <ikonia> why are you telling us this ?
[20:01] <ikonia> this is a support/discussion channel, use what you want
[20:02] <soee> !schedule
[20:04] <BUGabundo> boas meninos
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[20:13] <arand> Any way to install from a running ubuntu system, like chroting into a liveCD and install to another drive from there? (too lazy to reboot..)
[20:13] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[20:13] <BUGabundo> suspend, kick it on, wake up?
[20:14] <BUGabundo> or use e-sata
[20:15] <arand> BUGabundo: eh.. what?
[20:19] <vexati0n> I have a major problem with Alpha 3 (and all previous versions I've tried)
[20:19] <vexati0n> on my notebook, my keyboard goes into freakout mode as soon as GDM starts up
[20:20] <vexati0n> happens on live cd as well as real installation
[20:20] <yofel> vexati0n: pressing enter logs you out?
[20:20] <BUGabundo> vexati0n: known bug
[20:20] <BUGabundo> purge plymouth for now
[20:20] <vexati0n> yofel -- no the keyboard just dumps garbage to the input constantly. the cursor blinks like i'm holding down a key or something, and any text box fills with random characters or nothing even when i type something.
[20:21] <vexati0n> how do i purge plymouth?
[20:21] <BUGabundo> # aptitude purge plymouth ?
[20:21] <vexati0n> ok, i'll try that. thanks... but how do i enter that if my keyboard won't shut up? lol
[20:22] <arand> vexati0n: recovery mode?
[20:22] <espen77> vexati0n: still freakout mode after doing <ctrl><alt><f1> and then <ctrl><alt><f7>?
[20:22] <vexati0n> espen77, yeah, that doesn't help. after X / GDM starts, even killing them doesn't fix it.
[20:22] <kuadrosx> BUGabundo: thats problem with plymouth  is in any hardware?
[20:22] <vexati0n> i get garbage even in an actual console
[20:23] <arand> vexati0n: This on the liveCD?
[20:23] <kuadrosx> he, my english sucks
[20:24] <vexati0n> arand, liveCD as well as full install
[20:25] <kuadrosx> BUGabundo: does that problem with plymouth happen with any kind of hardware or is it specific to some kinds?*
[20:26] <arand> vexati0n: for installing I guess you could use the alternate, which shouldn't use plymouth, and for the full install, if not even recovery mode works, you could chroot into it and remove plymouth I reckon..
[20:26] <BUGabundo> kuadrosx: nvidia does
[20:26] <vexati0n> arand, what is plymouth and what features do i lose without it?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> not sure about others
[20:26] <soee> how can i solve this error: Error: .... is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[20:27] <BUGabundo> soee: where are you seeing thtat?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> AFAIK there's no 0 UID
[20:27] <BUGabundo> root is 1
[20:27] <BUGabundo> _I think_
[20:27] <kuadrosx> hmm ok, then I'm safe for now :P
[20:27] <soee> BUGabundo: im trying to isntall gmail-widget via console
[20:27] <arand> vexati0n: it's the the replacement for usplash, graphical boot.
[20:29] <crimsun> BUGabundo: no, 0.
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:29] <vexati0n> oh. well, i hope they fix this bug before the release.
[20:29] <BUGabundo> soee: I would NOT use an app that requires to run as ROOT
[20:31] <soee> hmm
[20:31] <alex_mayorga> anyone else with a broken mono-runtime?
[20:32] <alex_mayorga> how to fix?
[20:32] <BUGabundo> me
[20:32] <BUGabundo> I haven't upgraded it yet
[20:32] <BUGabundo> WHY did you upgrade it , if you knew it would break ?
[20:34] <ZykoticK9> alex_mayorga, i just tried installing moonlight-plugin-mozilla, could a broken mono-runtime explain why it doesn't show up in about:plugins?
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: I didn't know
[20:35] <BUGabundo> unless you don't know how to read, you know about it
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> just now I'm realizing is broken, because I can't check its box on update manager
[20:35] <BUGabundo> from aptitude: "The following packages are BROKEN:  mono-runtime "
[20:36] <BUGabundo> so you were just to lazy to read the warning
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: so yours is too?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> downgrade it, from your cache or LP
[20:36] <BUGabundo> its not mine: it's the package it self
[20:36] <BUGabundo> I just avoided to upgrade it , cause it let me know it was broken
[20:36] <alex_mayorga> I don't mind leaving it in a broken state anyway, just asking
[20:36] <BUGabundo> don't ppl read alert signs anymore?
[20:38] <guntbert> BUGabundo: apparently not - during the last few weeks I had 3 who lost access to their encrypted homedir - by not recording the passphrase
[20:38] <BUGabundo> eh
[20:39] <BUGabundo> no coments
[20:40] <alex_mayorga> Frankly I don't read the details of every package on update manager
[20:40] <arand> It's somewhat amusing when people ask in similar cases "can i recover it without the password?" >_<
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> maybe that's an improvement to do, make broken ones more evident or warn users, I don't recall being warned thiugh
[20:41] <vexati0n> why is something released when it's broken anyway?
[20:41] <alex_mayorga> s/thugh/tough
[20:41] <guntbert> arand: and we have to tell them "sadly but fortunately no"
[20:42] <guntbert> vexati0n: you realize we are talking about alpha versions?
[20:42] <vexati0n> no, i just live in a perfect world where bugs don't exist :/
[20:50] <vexati0n> okay i purged plymouth and the keyboard is still freaking out after a reboot.
[20:51] <vexati0n> as soon as i hit 'enter' to select my username in gdm, the whole screen starts flickering and i can't type in my password.
[20:52] <ZykoticK9> vexati0n, try alt+sysrq+k and try logging in again
[20:53] <vexati0n> still doing it.
[20:54] <ZykoticK9> vexati0n, try using the Enter on the NumPad instead of the regular one
[20:54] <vexati0n> no numpad, it's a subnotebook.
[20:54] <vexati0n> i can select the name with the cursor, but it starts wigging out as soon as i hit the first letter of my password.
[20:59] <vexati0n> too bad too cause lucid looks pretty cool :P
[21:02] <icorbett> vexati0n: i had a similar problem, to fix added noapic to my kernel line in grub
[21:03] <icorbett> there appears to have been some change between linux-image-2.6.32-14-generic and the previous version as it did work prior to alpha3
[21:06] <vexati0n> nope, thanks though.
[21:08] <icorbett> do you also get the same behavior with the live cd?
[21:09] <icorbett> i see you do, sorry had to read back
[21:09] <vexati0n> yes i do.
[21:09] <vexati0n> but every other OS works fine, so it isn't that my keyboard is actually screwy.
[21:10] <vexati0n> moblin, windows 7, 9.10, 8.04, all work with no problems. well w7 isn't 'no poblems' but the keyboard works :P
[21:10] <icorbett> mouse and video seem otherwise okay? how about if you boot into single user mode?
[21:10] <vexati0n> i used to know how to do init 3 on fedora... i have no idea how that works in debian/ubuntu
[21:10] <icorbett> add the word single to the end of your kernel line
[21:11] <yofel> vexati0n: with upstart runlevels don't quite work right any more, if you want to kill X use 'sudo stop gdm'
[21:11] <vexati0n> trying now
[21:11] <vexati0n> nope, same problem.
[21:12] <vexati0n> maybe this is just some kernel incompatibility with my specific hardware
[21:12] <arand> I've only got 876M free on a drive where I'd like to upgrade kk>ll, where would I mount a loop device with extra space to perform the upgrade /var/cache? /tmp?
[21:13] <icorbett> could be, that is the thought on my keyboard issue... you might also try noacpi and or apm=off
[21:14] <yofel> arand: the .deb files are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives and that's where you need the most extra space during the upgrade
[21:14] <arand> yofel: okies, I'll try that
[21:14] <vexati0n> noacpi is kinda bad for battery life though isn't it?
[21:14] <icorbett> arand: you might also look at `apt-get -s autoremove`, `aptitude autoclean` to see if you could clean out space
[21:15] <icorbett> vexati0n: not being able to use the computer is great for battery life
[21:15] <yofel> that's for installed packages, you could clean old .deb files with 'apt-get clean' too
[21:15] <arand> icorbett: not enough, it's a 5,8 gb filesystem with 4.6 pretty solidly used
[21:17] <yofel> arand: remember you need a 'partial' dir in the archives dir if you mount it somewhere else
[21:17] <arand> yofel: I'll just copy over the current apt contents..
[21:18] <icorbett> i always find those commands good for cleaning out cruft though the '-s' is essential for the autoremove to make sure you don't accidentally remove something you actually care about
[21:18] <yofel> arand: that'll work too of course :)
[21:23] <arand> Aw, darn, it still claims / is to small without realising I have the loopmounted file
[21:24] <guntbert> arand: whats the point of loop mounting?
[21:24] <arand> guntbert: I want to upgrade but only have ~900mb free on the usb stick
[21:25] <guntbert> arand: yes, but why not just mount another media? (it was the loop part I cannot understand)
[21:27] <arand> guntbert: Iäm using a loopmounted file on a portable harddisk
[21:27] <arand> guntbert: How do you mean mount another media?
[21:29] <guntbert> arand: well I'd take an usb Harddisk, plug it in - unmount it - and mount it where I need it
[21:29] <guntbert> arand: mind you: I'm not questioning your decision - I only don't understand it :-)
[21:30] <arand> guntbert: Well the disk is ntfs, and full of stuff otherwise, so I figured loopmounting a file would be cleaner...
[21:31] <arand> guntbert: But still the issue remains that "/" still claims to have only what it started with, the added space isn't reported, and so do-release-upgrade fails..
[21:31] <guntbert> arand: understood - after the loop mount what does df -h show?
[21:33] <arand> guntbert: http://paste.ubuntu.com/385337/
[21:36] <guntbert> arand: I don't know where do-release... checks for enough space - but maybe /var/cache/apt is the wrong place
[21:37] <guntbert> arand: and /var/cache/apt is writeable?
[21:38] <arand> I would assume it just checks "/" which is kind of stupid I guess, and non-ignoragle as well it seems...
[21:38] <arand> guntbert: yep
[21:38] <duffydack> would the alternative cd be better for upgrading with lower diskspace?
[21:41] <guntbert> arand: your assumption seems unbelievable - but who knows??
[21:42] <guntbert> arand: please have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765474
[21:44] <arand> Hmm, the symlink might work instead...
[21:48] <MatBoy> hi guys @
[21:48] <MatBoy> !
[21:48] <MatBoy> the old channel is rubbish :(
[21:49] <MatBoy> I have an issue with a serial modem that is not reconized or seen on ubuntu-server, latest version... can it be possible that the kernel module is removed for this one ?
[21:54] <penguin42> MatBoy: Unlikely, serial ports are pretty simple and basic things
[21:59] <MatBoy> penguin42: true, but it was recognized before... and I wonder why it isn't now
[22:00] <penguin42> MatBoy: ls -l /dev/ttyS* - if you have ttyS0, S1 etc then the serial drivers are there
[22:07] <MatBoy> penguin42: yep, just reconnected it, I will respons
[22:07] <MatBoy> I have ttuS0 btw
[22:08] <MatBoy> at least, that is where it's connected to
[22:09] <MatBoy> penguin42: but why would a simple scan or try of hylafax not work which did on older versions of Ubuntu
[22:10] <penguin42> MatBoy: Don't know the answer there - anything could have changed!  Areyou on Lucid?
[22:10] <MatBoy> penguin42: Lucid ?
[22:10] <MatBoy> oh the version
[22:10] <MatBoy> yap
[22:11] <MatBoy> oh btw, no... I thought of that
[22:11] <penguin42> ok, so Lucid removed HAL so stuff to do with detection of hardware etc has changed
[22:11] <MatBoy> 9.10
[22:11] <MatBoy> but the #ubuntu channel lacks :)
[22:12] <p3rror> hello
[22:12] <penguin42> sorry, this is Lucid only on here
[22:12] <MatBoy> hi
[22:12] <MatBoy> penguin42: yes, but people are more Ubuntu minded and not end-user-n00bs like in #ubuntu
[22:12] <penguin42> MatBoy: I don't disagree; does your modem work on Lucid :-)
[22:13] <MatBoy> penguin42: I have to reinstall than ;)
[22:13] <penguin42> MatBoy: Live CD?
[22:13] <MatBoy> and it just placed that machine on the top of the powersupplyroom :)
[22:13] <MatBoy> without any monitor :)
[22:13] <MatBoy> which is kina high
[22:13] <MatBoy> *kinda
[22:14] <MatBoy> oeh, power-outage ;)
[22:14] <MatBoy> electro has quit
[22:14] <MatBoy> penguin42: but a hylafax scan normally connects in a several of ways
[22:17] <arand> Ah, finally it works, symlinking works but not mounting, meh.
[22:19] <legodude> hi everyone, I am installing alpha3 of kubuntu
[22:20] <legodude> and when the installer reaches "installing grub boot loader" it hangs on "looking for other operating systems..."
[22:20] <legodude> I've let it sit there for a while with no luck
[22:20] <legodude> do I need to reinstall>
[22:22] <legodude> or what point is the installed kubuntu?
[22:26] <legodude> hrm
[22:31] <sarah93> wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4
[22:31] <sarah93> wow you should check this http://bit.ly/bFi9I4
[22:48] <Takyoji> Anyone notice the Grid plugin in Compiz being missing on Lucid?
[22:48] <Takyoji> (within ccsm)
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> Takyoji, it's present on my system
[22:50] <Takyoji> Awkward
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> Takyoji, do you have compiz-fusion-plugins-extra installed?  perhaps it's in there?
[22:52] <bsmith093> a quick question regarding karmic to lucid upgrade has anyone fisured out the sound problems yet
[22:53] <bsmith093> im running lucid and just like in karmic no sound what soever
[22:53] <bsmith093> in jaunty sdound works perfectly
[22:53] <Takyoji> Yep, apparently it's in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[22:53] <Takyoji> Thanks for the help
[22:54] <ZykoticK9> Takyoji, glad you got it working
[22:55] <bsmith093> any fixes for the sound issues yet
[22:56] <bsmith093> also could someone tell me how to find the info you need to know
[22:56] <bsmith093> like ewhat sound card im using
[22:57] <arand> bsmith093: lspci | grep Audio should give you that
[22:57] <ZykoticK9> bsmith093, technically this is for Karmic, but if you've lost sound since upgrading to Karmic perhaps it well help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems/KarmicCaveats
[22:57] <Zorael> Anyone else using ibus in Kubuntu and getting lots and lots of empty tray icons?
[23:05] <ZykoticK9> Zorael, you might want to have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus/+bug/528213 not sure if it applies, does mention disappearing icon though
[23:05] <crimsun> bsmith093: filing a bug is the bast way forward.
[23:05] <bsmith093> is theree a way to keep sopund working from jaunty to karmic
[23:05] <crimsun> bsmith093: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:05] <crimsun> s/bast/best/
[23:06] <bsmith093> im actually running s live cd versuion of lucid alpha 3
[23:06] <bsmith093> is that a problem
[23:07] <robin0800> any one else lucid won't boot to logon screen
[23:07] <Zorael> ZykoticK9: Hmm, I'm not sure it's the same issue. I get this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Azraelian/ibusicons1.png
[23:07] <arand> robin0800: vbox?
[23:07] <ZykoticK9> Zorael, i don't use KDE so I have no ideas, best of luck man
[23:08] <robin0800> arand: no laptop
[23:08] <arand> vbox as in virtualbox, and if not, I don't know, sorry..
[23:08] <crimsun> bsmith093: you'll want to zsync to the current daily-live, then.
[23:09] <bsmith093> how do i do that
[23:10] <arand> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync  (provided you want 32bit)
[23:11] <crimsun> however you downloaded the existing A3 can also be used to zsync to the latest current
[23:11] <bsmith093> crimsun can u explain
[23:12] <crimsun> yes, but I'm busy in a meeting at the moment. I'm sure someone else can explain.
[23:14] <bsmith093> thax
[23:15] <arand> bsmith093: just use the command I gave in the same folder as the iso you already have (it should be named lucid-desktop-i386.iso)
[23:15] <o_portista17> anyone with music-applet working on 10.04 ?
[23:28] <LADmaticCA> anyone else's rhythmbox plugins disappeared?
[23:35] <DrHalan> hey. ubiquity always quits here after setting up usernae etc... can i use the debconf frontend from the live cd somehowß