[00:01] <penguin42> anyone having problems with google maps today not letting you click the buttons? I'm not sure if it's g.maps or todays chromium
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> folks, I need help with grub bootloader
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> somebody understands it good/
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> ?
[00:03] <arand> MaximLevitsky: First: State the problem ;)
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> arand: very big one
[00:03] <MaximLevitsky> arand: I have a 8.10 installation
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> and I converted it to ext4
[00:04] <penguin42> brave
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: why?
[00:04] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: the kernel is 2.6.33 anyway
[00:04] <penguin42> ok, so you have 8.10 but with a special kernel - carry on
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: the point is that I always reinstall grub using chroot
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: but this time grub just didn't want to work
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: I tried to install grub2 in the chroot
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: this gives me stupid 'Welcome to GRUB' on boot
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: probably grub2 wan't mature in 8.20
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> 8.10
[00:06] <penguin42> MaximLevitsky: Can you just explain your chroot setup a minute - is the 8.10 the outer or the inner?
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: 8.10 is inside chroot
[00:07] <MaximLevitsky> 10.4 is outside
[00:07] <penguin42> ok, so why are you installing the grub from the chroot?
[00:08] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: because I don't know how to install it from outside yet
[00:08] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: this thing pokes many configuration files
[00:09]  * penguin42 is even more confused - where is the 10.4 installed?
[00:09] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: on the live disk (usb)
[00:09] <penguin42> ahha!
[00:10] <penguin42> ok, so next question - why are you trying to install grub2 on your 8.10 install?
[00:10] <arand> MaximLevitsky: you should be able to install with just the root mounted like so "grub-install --root-directory=/media/tmp /dev/sdaXY"
[00:10]  * MaximLevitsky is already trying to do so...
[00:10] <arand> MaximLevitsky: but yea, penguin42 has a very good point
[00:12] <MaximLevitsky> arand: yesssssssssssss!!!
[00:12] <MaximLevitsky> arand: --root-directory= did the trick
[00:12] <arand> MaximLevitsky: If you want to use grub2 in 8.10, you'd have to install it as packages as well to be able to update it without grabbing for a liveCD each time..
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> arand: I did
[00:13] <arand> I don't know the state of the grub2 packages in 8.10
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> arand: I don't think I will ever need to reinstall grub2
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> arand: when I have more free time I just update this system to 9.10
[00:17] <arand> MaximLevitsky: but the problem is that I don't know if you have a good update-grub for 8.10, meaning it'll be tricky to update the grub.cfg with new kernels, boot options, etc..
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> arand: this is good question, but the grub.cfg I used now it generated by 8.10 update-grub
[00:18] <penguin42> arand: But he's running his own kernel anyway
[00:19] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: yeah, now I find out I forgot to compile in ext4.... :-)
[00:19] <penguin42> ah that's always embarrassing
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: but not a big deal
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: it was compiled in, but not in initrd
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: this is as a module
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: that I know how to handle
[00:23] <penguin42> MaximLevitsky: With 10.4 the kernels I build just don't want to boot - they hang at mountall, I've not figured out what it wants yet - they worked for the earliest bits of Lucids alpha cycle but stopped a month or so ago
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: the mountall the the devil
[00:24] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: in fact I feel that there is more regress that progress
[00:24] <penguin42> yeh
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: the gnome-disk-utility
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> penguin42: gparted is much much much better
[00:25] <penguin42> I just don't get how the graphical ones haven't picked up lvm and the like yet
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> the empathy that is junk compared to pidgin
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> but it got luxury integration with gnome panel now, and piding one is broken
[00:27] <arand> MaximLevitsky: Old News... :)
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> pulseaudio that does work now, but still can't be disabled temporary properly
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> for skype...
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> which PA support is just broken...
[00:28] <crimsun> that's no fault of PA.  You've always been able to use pasuspender --
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> crimsun: now skype detects PA, and refuses to work with alsa
[00:29] <penguin42> crimsun: I think I've got a bug somewhere that it's not freeing up the mixer devices with pasuspender
[00:29] <MaximLevitsky> crimsun: but yeah this isn't pulseaudio fault
[00:29] <crimsun> penguin42: bug report with strace and ltrace, please.
[00:29]  * penguin42 thought he already had one
[00:29] <MaximLevitsky> crimsun: but the fact that PA keeps respawning if I kill it is very bad
[00:30] <MaximLevitsky> crimsun: only way to get it out is to rename the binary
[00:30] <crimsun> MaximLevitsky: autospawn is easily disabled. See /etc/default/pulseaudio
[00:30] <rww> renaming the binary O_O
[00:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:30] <BUGabundo> crazy ppl
[00:30] <crimsun> if you'd like the hints/instructions to be clearer, I happily review patches.
[00:30] <MaximLevitsky> crimsun: I tried that once
[00:32] <penguin42> crimsun: #404907 but I haven't checked it recently
[00:32] <penguin42> yeh still does it
[00:33] <crimsun> that shouldn't be a kitten-killer, however
[00:33] <penguin42> agreed
[00:33] <crimsun> it doesn't lock the actual controls
[00:35] <crimsun> the logic behind it is that upon resuming, the control nodes are checked to see if it's ok to call into alsa-lib to reopen the hw device
[00:35] <crimsun> if the control nodes are locked, PA switches to the always sink, which is currently the null/dummy sink
[00:38] <penguin42> crimsun: Does it need to hold them open while suspended though?
[00:39] <crimsun> penguin42: it's done for efficiency
[00:39] <crimsun> penguin42: otherwise there's yet another race
[00:39] <crimsun> sorry, that was poorly phrased
[00:40] <crimsun> it's done for correctness and efficiency
[00:40] <crimsun> again, it doesn't prevent the controller and codec from powering down
[00:40] <penguin42> true - does it prevent other things opening the control channel?
[00:40] <crimsun> no
[00:41] <BUGabundo> anyone using latest pidgin ?
[00:41] <BUGabundo> I can't send messages if they have a big URL pasted !
[00:41] <penguin42> crimsun: OK
[00:45] <markit> 10.04 alpha3, installer fails miserably before partitioning, is it only me or a known bug?
[00:46] <markit> (kubuntu version)
[00:48] <quidnunc> What is the package that I need install/uninstall to enable ctrl-alt-backspace?
[00:48] <rww> ubottu: dontzap | quidnunc
[00:48] <quidnunc> rww: Thanks
[00:49] <arand> quidnunc: But alt+sysreq+k should be equivalent.
[00:51] <penguin42> arand: Is that really the case?
[00:51] <arand> penguin42: afaik.
[00:52] <penguin42> hmm I guess it is only the X server on that vt
[00:53] <arand> Not exatcly the same per se, but unless there's a bug the effect should be identical..
[00:53] <wirechief> markit i just installed a0.4 alpha3 ubuntu its installer worked fine but i dont have windows on that HD
[00:54] <markit> wirechief: me neither, is a empty (not even partitioned) hd
[00:54] <markit> I've also partitioned it, but same story
[00:55] <wirechief> markit the only issue i had was the ipv6 , i had to disable it, otherwise it took 4 minutes to reach desktop
[00:55] <markit> it asks me if has to use the entire hd or I wish to do a manual partition, then "disappears"
[00:55] <wirechief> wow, nope i didnt experience that. did you do a media check for integrity ?
[00:56] <markit> wirechief: do you mean iso or hd? (did neither, but installed 9.10 without problems on that hd)
[00:56] <markit> let me check checksum of the iso, or try media integrity inside kvm vm
[00:56] <wirechief> well both, the .iso and the media (using the grub menu for media)
[00:57] <markit> btw, I have to add that I've created a bootable USB pen, since I'm installing in a "thin client" like pc
[00:58] <markit> http://www.yashiweb.com/it/configuratore/8233/
[00:58] <wirechief> all the more reason to verify, dropping bits can cause untold headaches now or even later.
[01:00] <wirechief> markit i have a acer aspire one, works well with remix and other distros.
[01:03] <markit> wirechief: mmm can't check usb integrity though
[01:04] <markit> unetbootin prepares the usb as a bootable HD
[01:05] <wirechief> right usb media doesnt lend itself well to md5sum checking
[01:06] <wirechief> but booting it up and checking with grub menu selection should be ok.
[01:06] <markit> iso md5sum is ok, and in fact usb booted fine ad was running fine
[01:06] <markit> just hte installer, but I think your (ubuntu?) is different from kubuntu
[01:07] <wirechief> ok well then, perhaps just a wierd occurance, might want to check dmesg and /var/log/messages to see if there are any issues
[01:07] <wirechief> before trying again.
[01:08] <wirechief> markit yes the ubuntu installer might well be different but very close to the same, these installers have been working well for me over last 4 or t5 releases
[01:08] <markit> good ideas. I've installed 9.10 now, and I'm too lazy to start again not being sure will work
[01:08] <wirechief> even with kubuntu when i was using it.
[01:08] <markit> I'd better wait for RC2 ;)
[01:08] <wirechief> at least do dmesg it might show up something .
[01:09] <markit> was curious about the "faster boot speed", but seemd not that fast from usb install cd
[01:09] <wirechief> i wait till the next alpha before i update, i hate fighting miss steps of others.
[01:09] <wirechief> markit it bootited very fast for me once i disabled ipv6
[01:09] <wirechief> in grub
[01:10] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, actually A3 is last alpha, next is Beta 1 :)
[01:10] <wirechief> ok
[01:10] <markit> wirechief: is it a bug, or a damn consequence of IPV6?
[01:10] <wirechief> markit im not sure but my emachine doesnt do well with it both on karmic and lucid
[01:11] <markit> sleep time, thanks a lot :)
[01:11] <wirechief> k have fun
[01:50] <melissawm> hi folks
[01:50] <melissawm> can anyone help me install lucid from a usb key? i've been trying for a couple of weeks using the daily images (amd64) but both the live cd and the alternate cd fail to install
[01:52] <melissawm> the live cd does not start (gets stuck in the logo screen and never does anything) and the alternate cd gives me a "can't mount cd" error (of course, i'm using a usb stick!)
[01:52] <BUGabundo> fail where melissawm?
[01:52] <BUGabundo> how are making the usb sticks?
[01:52] <BUGabundo> usb-creator or unetbootn?
[01:53] <melissawm> usb-creator
[01:53] <melissawm> hi BUGabundo :)
[01:53] <BUGabundo> old karmic, buggy verion?
[01:53] <melissawm> i've just zsync'd the images so they're current
[01:53] <BUGabundo> or a newer one?
[01:54] <melissawm> you mean usb-creator version? i'm not sure, i'm using kubuntu karmic up to date
[01:55] <BUGabundo> ah
[01:55] <BUGabundo> there's your prob
[01:56] <BUGabundo> either try unetbootin or netboot.me
[01:56] <melissawm> really? how come?
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen some alernatives to unetbootin. but they seem flakier in ways
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> Seen a few that work very well.. but have major 'other' issues :)
[02:00] <BUGabundo> bko and netbootme are very nice
[02:01] <BUGabundo> if you can spare the bw
[02:01] <BUGabundo> time for bed
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> Ive never done a netboot one.
[02:01] <BUGabundo> back tomorrow
[02:01] <BUGabundo> not netboot, but netboot.me
[02:01] <BUGabundo> !=
[02:01] <melissawm> ok creating the usb stick right now. wish me luck
[02:02] <melissawm> boa noite, BUGabundo!
[02:02] <BUGabundo> :P
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> I did find a multi-disrto script the other day that let you put ubuntu + about a dozen other disrtos on a single dvd. :)
[02:02] <melissawm> Dr_Willis: that's cool!
[02:03] <melissawm> ok folks, i'll be right back , let me just try to see if it worked.
[02:09] <dns53> i have a bug in gwibber, there seems to be a bug report for 9.04, should i create a new bug for the 10.4 version or post to the existing bug?
[02:09] <melissawm> ok so that didn't work. same thing as before: when i get to "load installer components from the cd" it says it cannot read my cd rom. cd rom check tells me there's no cd in the drive. is this expected behaviour for a usb installation? that it tries to look for a cd?
[02:13] <agoole> hey, trying to install the latest beta, but I just get a blank screen
[02:13] <agoole> I tried a different older live cd, and it worked
[02:14] <agoole> I need to reinstall since I lost my hd...
[02:14] <dns53> blank screen where? just after grub? after a few seconds of booting?
[02:15] <agoole> i throw in the live cd, and I get a menu to pick to run the live, install, scan memory whatever
[02:15] <agoole> after I pick run the live session,
[02:15] <agoole> i just get blank
[02:15] <coz_> hey guys... when editing the libanimation.so and animation.xml for compiz's  minimize animation...this seems to remove the  plugins main animation plugin...the package can be reinstalled  but  I was hoping someone would take a look at the befor and after xml and the terminal errors ?
[02:15] <agoole> I get a blinking dash for a few seconds, than blank
[02:15] <agoole> and it never comes back
[02:15] <melissawm> agoole: have you tried using the alternate cd?
[02:16] <coz_> by the way this only happens on lucid
[02:16] <agoole> melissawm: do I have to redownload the cd? or can I choose alternate install with the cd that I have ?
[02:17] <coz_> agoole,  are you downloading from a linux install or windows install?
[02:17] <dns53> agoole what video card do you have? the boot system is now using plymoth for boot animations so perhaps your card is not supported
[02:17] <melissawm> agoole: you have to download a different .iso, yeah... but i don't know if it would help you, it seems similar to what i'm experiencing except i'm trying to install from a usb stick.
[02:17] <agoole> I have to use a windows machine to burn the ISO
[02:18] <agoole> the computer I'm trying to install has a fresh hard drive, since it crashed 2 days ago
[02:18] <agoole> I lost everything
[02:18] <agoole> so its a fresh install
[02:18] <coz_> agoole,  if you download another iso   make sure you burn it at 1 x...much safer..aslo when booting from the live cd  choose check cd for errors first
[02:18] <melissawm> ok i'll go try with the alternate cd one more time, i'll come back and tell you if it worked.
[02:18] <coz_> agoole,  you could test the cd you have now for errors as well
[02:19] <coz_> sorry thought I was in #ubuntu
[02:19] <agoole> coz_: I can't see that....it starts to check, than goes blank, like all the other options
[02:19] <coz_> agoole,  mmm
[02:19] <wirechief> try using a terminal when the screen goes black ?
[02:19] <coz_> agoole,  ok I would download another iso  and burn it at 1 x  also when choosing a server make sure the download will only take about 35 minutes
[02:20] <agoole> euh ok, I'll go try another alternate iso I guess
[02:20] <flyman> agoole most likely your install was trying to write to the mbr but failed and possible something did or didn't write correctly.
[02:20] <flyman> i would go through it again and delete any/all partitions that may appear
[02:20] <agoole> will an alternate install cd fix that ?
[02:20] <agoole> there are no partitions, its a fresh hard drive
[02:20] <agoole> not even formatted
[02:20] <agoole> ever
[02:21] <flyman> if worst comes to worse, might need to try lilo and reinstall using grub
[02:21] <flyman> agoole
[02:21] <coz_> agoole,  well generally the alternate cd is for systems that have less than 256 megs of system memory
[02:21] <agoole> hum....
[02:21] <flyman> ah unless you let ubuntu take over, most likely didn't install any mbr
[02:21] <ZykoticK9> agoole, can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a terminal?  as wirechief asked?
[02:21] <coz_> agoole,  what you could do when using the live cd  is use the Install option instead of booting to desktop
[02:21] <flyman> can't install linux/ubuntu without the correct swaps/filesystem(s)
[02:21] <coz_> agoole,  I believe that is the third option on the list
[02:22] <agoole> the 3rd option goes blank also, and doesn't let me see or do anything
[02:22] <agoole> ZykoticK9: going to check now
[02:22] <coz_> agoole,  what system do you have ... I mean hardware
[02:22] <agoole> an old dell 4600
[02:22] <wirechief> agoogle try a terminal and see if you can get something going..
[02:22] <flyman> agoole start the disc over and run on the desktop and a file partitioner/viewer should be available
[02:22] <coz_> agoole, ok letme check thathold on
[02:22] <Jeffx> hello, is there any known bug with /etc/network/interfaces
[02:23] <flyman> Jeffx depends on your nic ;]
[02:23] <Jeffx> they both work ...
[02:23] <coz_> agoole,  does this have integrated video or a video card?
[02:23] <Jeffx> when I set them manually
[02:23] <agoole> coz_: video card
[02:23] <flyman> Jeffx im assuming one wlan other lan?
[02:23] <Jeffx> but I have to set eth1 everytime before starting firestarter and the dhcp
[02:23] <coz_> agoole,  do you know the exact video card
[02:23] <agoole> coz_: its an old 8x
[02:23] <Jeffx> both lan
[02:24] <agoole> coz_: I think its also got an intergrated video as well
[02:24] <flyman> are you trying to run a fileserver or something or you can't get them to load automatically and connect via dhcp and grab details?
[02:24] <coz_> agoole,  ok first thing to check is in the bios...there should be a setting for card or onboard video...disable one or the other
[02:25] <flyman> also make sure AwareOS is off in bios, think thats what its called
[02:25] <Jeffx> I have a home/web  server that share the internet and files to the local network
[02:25] <flyman> or OS/2
[02:25] <flyman> Jeffx and no one can tunnel in or just won't establish a connection on its own?
[02:26] <Jeffx> ???
[02:26] <agoole> coz_: uh oh,
[02:26] <coz_> agoole,  whats the problem?
[02:26] <flyman> for instance, i want to get Document1.pdf off of 192.168.0.12 and won't connect but it's online but can't get the file?
[02:26] <agoole> coz_: now its stuck, saying diskette drive error,
[02:26] <agoole> wait
[02:26] <agoole> just unjammed
[02:26] <flyman> agoole hopefully you have cdrom firt boot option and any usb boot off.
[02:27] <coz_> agoole, what this sounds like is a hardware issue... but check the bios for video options
[02:28] <agoole> coz_: yeah, my hard drive just died,
[02:28] <agoole> coz_: so now all the drivers for the system are out of wack
[02:28] <coz_> agoole,  ooo   do you have a spare ?
[02:28] <flyman> agoole eide or sata/ata?
[02:28] <agoole> ied
[02:29] <coz_> ide
[02:29] <Jeffx> at boot the network card doesnt appear in ifconfig until I do it manually, sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1, only then can I start firestarter to enable net sharing and dhcp....
[02:29] <flyman> make sure you have the right jumpers set correctly
[02:29] <Jeffx> any ideas ?
[02:29] <coz_> agoole,  what this working at any time in the recent past?
[02:29] <coz_> agoole,  ok here
[02:29] <flyman> make it set to auto if you can or set it to master and make sure master is plugged in or master slave
[02:30] <agoole> flyman: jumpers are set to cable detect
[02:30] <skippuff54> jeffx what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file
[02:30] <flyman> agoole does your bios detect your drive?
[02:30] <agoole> flyman: yes,but just calles it unknown hardware
[02:30] <flyman> also how big is the hard drive and how old is your motherboard? cause old motherboard with no support for large drives wont work (or room for expansion).
[02:31] <agoole> flyman: its a 320gig,
[02:31] <agoole> it should be ok
[02:31] <melissawm> ok. so the alternate cd gives me an error after partitioning and installing the base system. it says "an installation step failed"
[02:31] <flyman> agoole does your comp/mobo support expansion for that big of a drive (assuming its older)?
[02:31] <melissawm> (the alternate image, in a usb stick)
[02:31] <agoole> yeah should be ok for support
[02:31] <agoole> uh oh
[02:31] <agoole> i ran the IDE drive configurator
[02:32] <coz_> flyman,  I believe that model of dell comes with that size hardrive when purchased:)
[02:32] <agoole> and it says no hard drive installed
[02:32] <flyman> coz_ ok good deal
[02:32] <coz_> agoole,  you say this hard drive crashed with windows?
[02:32] <flyman> agoole try diffrent cord or before that try re-setting jumper to master
[02:32] <coz_> agoole,  do you have another hard drive laying around?
[02:32] <agoole> previous hard drive crashed while running kubuntu koala,
[02:32] <agoole> 2 days ago, and lost everything
[02:32] <agoole> so I went out and bought this new one
[02:33] <agoole> ok, let me take it apart, and switch jumpers
[02:33] <coz_> agoole,  ok first   with or without an hard driver  ...the live cd should not be affected
[02:33] <coz_> agoole, hard drive I meant
[02:33] <actionParsnip> yo yo yo
[02:33] <coz_> agoole,  so the issue you have with live cd is not related to hard drive
[02:33] <agoole> yeah, but the bios craps out, saying no install drive available,
[02:33] <agoole> yah, maybe not, lol
[02:34] <agoole> but I can't install either way
[02:34] <agoole> let me switch it up
[02:34] <agoole> brb
[02:34] <coz_> agoole, right that might mean the drive is toast
[02:34] <agoole> lol i just bought this one
[02:34] <agoole> i just put it in today
[02:34] <agoole> lol
[02:34] <coz_> agoole, ooooo
[02:34] <coz_> agoole,  ok set jumper to master
[02:34] <actionParsnip> hey guys, is ~/.bashrc no longer part of ubuntu?
[02:34] <flyman> well your dell 4600 looks like it comes standard with a 40gb drive
[02:35] <coz_> flyman,  whoa we looked at different spec sheets then :)
[02:35] <flyman> coz_ well dell makes a server one the poweredge
[02:36] <coz_> flyman,  I am seeing one  with 80 gig too o0
[02:36] <coz_> flyman,  good old Dell :)
[02:36] <flyman> but the dell dimension 4600 tower seems to come standard with 40gb, but im sure 80+gb ones existed too
[02:36] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, it's present on my system
[02:36] <coz_> flyman,  could be he needs bios update
[02:36] <flyman> i wouldn't doubt it at all
[02:37] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, clean install of alpha3?
[02:37] <flyman> lot of items, especially known gfx issues for this model
[02:37] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, system i was checking on was clean install alpha 2 - booting A3 VM as we speak
[02:37] <coz_> flyman,  all other specs on that machine seems fine to run ubuntu and even compiz
[02:38] <flyman> oh yeah i've run it on worse
[02:38] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, i dont have the file and its screwing autocomplete + terminl colours, can you pastebin me yours please :D
[02:38] <flyman> an ibm aptiva, if you can beleive that
[02:38] <coz_> flyman,  same here lol
[02:38] <coz_> flyman,  whoa
[02:38] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, clean install Alpha 3 it's present as well - one moment on pastebin
[02:39] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, appreciate it dude, thanks
[02:39] <flyman> coz_: yeah when i went to berkley we tried fbsd, obsd and so on, ubuntu worked and so did suse 5.0
[02:39] <agoole> lol, master jumper configuration? == no jumpers, lol
[02:39] <flyman> agoole meaning it works or didn't have any jumpers?
[02:39] <coz_> flyman,  wow  not bad  I am not surprised if unix didnt work well though
[02:39] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/385454/
[02:40] <flyman> coz_ im sure thats the only safe bet
[02:40] <agoole> meaning I had to take the jumper out,
[02:40] <agoole> with no jumeprs set, the drive go to master mode
[02:40] <flyman> cause it ran like crap
[02:40] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, that was the Alpha 3 default BTW
[02:40] <coz_> agoole,  it should yes
[02:41] <coz_> flyman,  :)
[02:41] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, works a treat dude, thanks again :D
[02:41] <flyman> agoole also make sure that the ide cord is the master not slave connection
[02:41] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, glad to help
[02:42] <coz_> agoole,  if you didnt play with the hard drive cable from the  mother board ....but if so check that is in number one connector usually black
[02:42] <greezmun1ey> I just learned about Plymouth. Does it really drop the start time significantly? If so, does that degrade as additional services are added?
[02:42] <flyman> yeah and make sure the black isn't connected to the motherboard, normally a blue one is
[02:42] <coz_> greezmun1ey,  which video card
[02:42] <coz_> flyman,  yep I got the colours mixed up there
[02:43] <flyman> i do it all the time too
[02:43] <coz_> flyman,  although on older mobo main is black secondary white no?
[02:43] <ZykoticK9> greezmun1ey, Plymouth is just the eye-candy part of the boot -- it's VERY common to have to remove it for certain system to start correctly
[02:43] <flyman> coz_ yup
[02:43] <greezmun1ey> coz_: There you go, I will probably need to build a box to take advantage, right?
[02:43] <greezmun1ey> ZykoticK9: really!
[02:43] <coz_> greezmun1ey,  well no right now plymouth + nvidia have issues
[02:44] <coz_> greezmun1ey,  so if you have ati or intel...assuming plymouth runs on those ...I am not sure if they have issues
[02:44] <greezmun1ey> ZykoticK9: so than I should expect about the same time from start to "being useable" ??
[02:44] <agoole> ok all switched up, let me wire this baby up
[02:44] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, personally I don't get any boot eyecandy and I havent tweaked anything, seems weird but its kinda nice
[02:44] <coz_> agoole,  did you check bios settings for video?
[02:44] <ZykoticK9> greezmun1ey, i find Lucid faster at booting then Karmic
[02:45] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, do you get the blue/white scroll bar?
[02:45] <greezmun1ey> coz_: Thanks for the info... :)
[02:45] <agoole> coz_: booting now, and its performing automatic IDE drive configuration
[02:45] <coz_> greezmun1ey,  did you download and burn the lucid iso already?
[02:45] <coz_> agoole,  ok
[02:45] <agoole> ok, in bios again
[02:45] <coz_> agoole,  that's a good sign
[02:45] <coz_> :)
[02:46] <agoole> ok, primary video controller, I can set it to AGP, or auto
[02:46] <agoole> AGP is the video card
[02:46] <agoole> auto == who knows ?
[02:46] <coz_> agoole,  agp  and see if that has options as well like 256  etc
[02:46] <flyman> agoole you using the add-on card or onboard
[02:46] <greezmun1ey> coz_: No, still on 9.10. I'll wait a while, but check in here for the latest. Hopfully by the time it is GA, I'll know enough of the pitfalls to be able to avoid them!
[02:46] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, briefly, is that what plymouth is?
[02:46] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, yup
[02:47] <coz_> greezmun1ey,  I am assuming , once lucid is released  there will be fewer issues to deal with :)
[02:47] <greezmun1ey> coz_: There you go...
[02:47]  * flyman crosses fingers
[02:47] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, i see, its on the screen for about a second
[02:47] <agoole> ok, made a mistake, it only has a video card
[02:47] <agoole> so i'll set it to agp
[02:47] <coz_> agoole,  that should be fine
[02:47] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, well it's really the entire process from Grub to GDM - but visually, it's that bar
[02:48] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, gotcha, its pretty quick here so its hardly on screen
[02:48] <coz_> ZykoticK9,  oo that throbber thingy do?
[02:48] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, despite my pc being a hunk of junk
[02:48] <coz_> :)
[02:48] <agoole> ok, still says no boot device available
[02:48] <agoole> ugh
[02:49] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, it only shows on my desktop (even my VMs) for a moment or two as well...  for all the problems it seems to be causing right now, hardly seems worth it
[02:49] <coz_> agoole,  sounds like the drive is toast
[02:49] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, if it aint broke...
[02:49] <agoole> coz_: its brand new? bought it today?
[02:49] <flyman> agoole do you have your boot settings as cdrom, hard drive, network boot, usb boot/pluggable addin?
[02:49] <actionParsnip> agoole, could have been DOA
[02:49] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, ... add a feature ;)
[02:49] <agoole> flyman: I think so
[02:49] <coz_> agoole,  oh yeah boot device priority
[02:49] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, haha, LXDE is blazing away on it right now
[02:50] <agoole> ok, switched it to cd drive
[02:50] <ZykoticK9> actionParsnip, enjoyed your days off with Alpha 3 have you?
[02:50] <flyman> agoole try maybe we'll get lucky
[02:50] <agoole> but I still don't hear either of them whir
[02:50] <wirechief> agoole maybe its your power supply
[02:50] <actionParsnip> ZykoticK9, yeah, 3 more days off then back to the grindstone for 4 more
[02:50] <flyman> that might be a good thing lol
[02:50] <coz_> agoole,  mm I hope the driver has a power cord attached:)
[02:50] <coz_> drive
[02:51] <actionParsnip> coz_, been there. biggest facepalm ever
[02:51] <agoole> well let me change that,
[02:51] <flyman> coz_ lol, lets hope, had that issue
[02:51] <agoole> this is driving me nuts
[02:51] <coz_> actionParsnip,  :)
[02:51] <flyman> i've had it more then once, unfortunately
[02:51] <coz_> especially video cards power cord
[02:51] <coz_> oy
[02:51] <agoole> maybe i'll even swap out the cd rom drive,
[02:51] <flyman> ;[
[02:51] <agoole> though it still has my live cd in it :(
[02:52] <flyman> well if you have a pin most drives will eject it
[02:52] <coz_> agoole,  get a thin wire to push the tray out from that little hole in the front of the drive
[02:52] <coz_> usually near center
[02:53] <coz_> paperclip un-bent should do
[02:55] <coz_> looks like we are rebuilding a system :)
[02:57] <wirechief> coz_: might as well include a new power supply too.
[02:57] <coz_> :)
[02:57] <coz_> cant hurt
[02:57] <wirechief> sounds like its weak
[02:58] <wirechief> old, weak and ready for the bin
[02:59] <LADmaticCA>  anyone else's rhythmbox plugins disappeared?
[02:59] <agoole> coz_: so teh drive doesn't need power for me to do that right ?
[02:59] <agoole> coz_: just push
[03:00] <coz_> agoole,  right if the    wire doesnt bend the drawer should open
[03:00] <cowbud> anyone else having huge problems with nvidia? it basically locks my system when I insert the module. also no nouveau driver is created. I've comb the forums and bugs with no indicator so I am guessing I am all alone
[03:00] <coz_> cowbud,  remove
[03:00] <coz_> cowbud,  remove plymouth
[03:01] <coz_> cowbud,  use synaptic  hit Search   type plymouth and remove  only that
[03:01] <cowbud> no kidding? I thought it was just blank for the boot process with plymouth but that is what is completely killing me?
[03:01] <coz_> cowbud,  it should work after that
[03:01] <wirechief> i got something about firmware missing when i installed bootchart and it listed on board nvidia, but im not using it so not a problem
[03:01] <cowbud> coz_: all that is installed is libplymouth2 not even plymouth or plymouth-x11..
[03:02] <coz_> cowbud,  just uninstall   the plymouth package
[03:02] <coz_> nothing else concerning p lymouth
[03:02] <coz_> mmm
[03:02] <coz_> cowbud,  sorry misread
[03:02] <coz_> cowbud,   how did you install the driver?
[03:02] <cowbud> coz_: nvidia-current..
[03:02] <cowbud> if I try to remove the library it wants to remove basically every package :)
[03:03] <bjsnider> so what?
[03:03] <cowbud> all of X for sure
[03:03] <coz_> cowbud, no the library is not what you want to install
[03:03] <cowbud> ok well that is the only plymouth package I have installed
[03:03] <coz_> i mean uninstall
[03:03] <cowbud> right
[03:03] <ZykoticK9> cowbud, don't remove the library "sudo apt-get remove plymouth" is all you need
[03:03] <coz_> cowbud,  mmm
[03:03] <cowbud> ZykoticK9: yeah, what I am saying thoiugh is that I don't have plymouth or plymouth-x11 installed perhaps I am missing a meta package?
[03:04] <cowbud> I assume ubuntu-desktop will install eerything I could need?
[03:04] <cowbud> or has that changed?
[03:04] <ZykoticK9> cowbud, did you upgrade? vs fresh install?
[03:04] <cowbud> upgrade
[03:04] <ZykoticK9> cowbud, i wonder if that makes a difference with plymouth?  i'm not sure...
[03:05] <cowbud> i guess it depend son what provides plymouth, ive been running lucid since the repos were opened
[03:05] <coz_> cowbud,  mm  I have not upgraded so I cant say for sure
[03:05] <cowbud> so it isn't like my upgrade path was amazing at the time
[03:05] <cowbud> it was just basically a bunch of newer packages..
[03:05] <cowbud> but when I look at plymouth it says the task is standard
[03:05] <cowbud> wtf task is that? :)
[03:06] <cowbud> I am running tasksel install standard now, we'll see what it does
[03:06] <cowbud> but nouveau doesn't even compile for me
[03:07] <wirechief> cowbud try installing bootchart see if it says your missing firmware for nvidia
[03:07] <coz_> cowbud,  is this upgrade because of files you need to keep  ?
[03:07] <cowbud> ah that installed plymouth
[03:07] <coz_> mmm
[03:07] <cowbud> coz_: well like i said i started using it since it first came out
[03:08] <cowbud> i.e. before they had isos
[03:08] <cowbud> I would prefer to avoid reinstalling
[03:08] <agoole> coz_: ok booting it up again,
[03:08] <cowbud> but that is where I am at at this point..
[03:08] <coz_> cowbud,   upgrading from one version to the other is somethning I never recommend but if it works for you
[03:08] <cowbud> it is something that is supported though ;)
[03:09] <cowbud> I know that lynx isn't supported yet but you shuold be able to upgrade from one stable release to another
[03:09] <wirechief> something about missing firmware and nouveau
[03:09] <cowbud> that is at least the goal
[03:09] <cowbud> but then agani I am willing to have to reinstall at some point if that is what it takes
[03:10] <agoole> coz_: ok, fixed it all, it boots again, I can pick to run a live session
[03:10] <agoole> coz_: but goes blank
[03:10] <coz_> o0
[03:10] <coz_> agoole,  what about the cd test option
[03:10] <agoole> coz_: so the solution should be to get teh alternate install cd right ?
[03:10] <coz_> agoole,  well  if the drive is bad nothing is going to help
[03:10] <coz_> agoole,  did you by chance fill up the driver to capacity when it crashed?
[03:11] <coz_> drive
[03:11] <agoole> coz_: checking disc for errors
[03:11] <agoole> coz_: naw, the drive that crashed is in the garbage
[03:11] <agoole> coz_: only got the new drive now, which isn't even formattted
[03:11] <coz_> agoole,  ok if the cd has errors then that is the problem
[03:11] <agoole> coz_: ok, checking for errors gives me a blank screen too
[03:12] <agoole> coz_: can't see anything
[03:12] <cowbud> oh I think installing tasksel standard and then reinstall nvidia-current pushed me over
[03:12] <cowbud> I was probably missing some packages
[03:12] <wirechief> blank screen because x is not configured
[03:12] <cowbud> yAy
[03:12] <cowbud> well we'll see brb
[03:12] <agoole> wirechief: on the live cd ?
[03:12] <wirechief> yes
[03:12] <agoole> wirechief: can I fix that from the menu ?
[03:12] <wirechief> your using a nvidia gpu ?
[03:13] <wirechief> yes
[03:13] <wirechief> x  Configure
[03:13] <wirechief> use ctrl alt f1  then do x Configure
[03:14] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, agoole for that to work GDM must be stopped first, and the command is "sudo X -configure"
[03:14]  * wirechief forgets if its Configure or configure
[03:14] <wirechief> yes
[03:14] <wirechief> forgot that.
[03:14] <agoole> euh
[03:14] <agoole> I'm at the boot menu now
[03:14] <agoole> alt crtl f1 gives nothing
[03:14] <agoole> this is the live cd menu
[03:14] <agoole> not the session
[03:14] <coz_> agoole,   ok choose install ubuntu
[03:14] <coz_> not boot into live cd
[03:15] <wirechief> ZykoticK9: agoole he is correct. you need to stop gdm first you can do that  by going into init 3
[03:15] <ZykoticK9> agoole, ctrl+alt+f1 won't work until after it's booked
[03:15] <agoole> yaeh didn't think so,
[03:15] <ZykoticK9> s/booked/booted
[03:15] <agoole> coz_: ok picked install,
[03:15] <agoole> coz_: blank again
[03:15] <coz_> agoole,  damn
[03:15] <agoole> coz_: but the drive is running like nuts
[03:15] <coz_> agoole,   ooooo that's not good
[03:15] <agoole> coz_: will it run until its done?
[03:16] <coz_> agoole,  nothing is showing up on the screen at all?
[03:16] <agoole> coz_: nadda, not a single thing
[03:16] <coz_> o0
[03:16] <ZykoticK9> agoole, try ctrl+alt+f1 now
[03:16] <coz_> agoole,  I am stummped
[03:17] <agoole> nothing,
[03:17] <agoole> alt crtl f1 gives me nothing
[03:17] <agoole> ok let me shut this off
[03:18] <agoole> and get alternate cd
[03:18] <ZykoticK9> agoole, i'd download and try the alternate cd then...
[03:18] <wirechief> agoole you could try nomodeset when you use grub to first boot, i had to
[03:18] <wirechief> i had a black screen till i did
[03:19] <wirechief> just edit the grub line and put it in then boot.
[03:20] <agoole> wirechief: for the regular boot session right
[03:20] <wirechief> ZykoticK9: he has a problem putting the alternate someplace, maybe he could use a usb stick for it.
[03:21] <wirechief> yes
[03:21] <agoole> ZykoticK9: ok, downloadign it now, going to take 25 min
[03:21] <wirechief> i didnt have to do that with karmic but had to use nomodeset for lucid
[03:21] <ZykoticK9> agoole, have you tried wirechief's nomodeset option?  seeing LOTS of bugs about this - and the same black screen issue your having!
[03:22] <agoole> ZykoticK9: where do I set this ?
[03:22] <agoole> ZykoticK9: in the menu ?
[03:22] <wirechief> i just installed lucid and had to use nomodset to not have black screen also later i had to disable ipv6 because it took 4 min to get to a desktop
[03:22] <ZykoticK9> agoole, it's in Grub boot option, but ask wirechief he's actually done it
[03:22] <wirechief> yes
[03:23] <agoole> o0o0
[03:23] <wirechief>  hit e  then move cursor down to where quiet is and put it in there and the ctrl x to boot
[03:23] <agoole> I think its loading
[03:24] <agoole> euh...mine was under the f6 menu
[03:24] <agoole> I hit f6, then clicked on nomodeset
[03:24] <wirechief> agoole thats right you can use that too
[03:24] <agoole> then hit the install
[03:24] <agoole> ok good
[03:24] <agoole> well....I saw a loading bar
[03:24] <agoole> oh!
[03:24] <agoole> cursor!
[03:24] <agoole> its alliiiiivvvee!!!!
[03:25]  * agoole dances like a feary
[03:25] <wirechief> haha
[03:25] <coz_> :)
[03:25] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, good suggestion!
[03:25] <wirechief> ;)
[03:25] <agoole> so, after a new drive, reset jumpers, swapped out cd drives,
[03:25] <agoole> finally got a boot
[03:25] <agoole> now
[03:26] <agoole> lets see if it'll isntall
[03:26] <wirechief> well some of the others i havent used in a while i  keep forgetting proper syntax for x configure and needing to stop the gdm before that.
[03:26] <coz_> boy... I hope so :)
[03:27] <LADmaticCA> what is the recommended way to install updates..while testing?
[03:27] <coz_> LADmaticCA,  system updates?
[03:27] <LADmaticCA> coz_, yes
[03:27] <coz_> LADmaticCA,  i generally use  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:28]  * wirechief uses update-manager too lazy to go into init 3
[03:28] <agoole> can't you run those commands in terminal ?
[03:28] <coz_> agoole,  yes
[03:28] <agoole> thought so
[03:28] <LADmaticCA> coz_, okay. I ask because i notice there are a number of updates I miss using the update manager. like i don't have the music store in rhymbox
[03:28] <agoole> man, having a broken system really messes with my head :S
[03:29] <coz_> agoole,  we have all been there at some point
[03:29] <LADmaticCA> coz_, my evince was broken too because it was needing an update
[03:29] <agoole> euh
[03:29] <agoole> weird question
[03:29] <wirechief> agoole when your all done with this check dmesg and see if it is complaining about ipv6, i had to disable that to make things work faster.
[03:29] <agoole> should I partition my 320 gig hard drive ?
[03:30] <agoole> wirechief: ok will do, thanks for the heads up
[03:30] <wirechief> np
[03:30] <agoole> anyone has any tips for partitionning a 320 gig hard drive ?
[03:31] <coz_> agoole,  let it go automatically for now
[03:31] <coz_> agoole,  my suggestion
[03:31] <agoole> coz_: ok,
[03:31] <wirechief> usually thats a personal preference, i chopped my 500 up so i had 3 100gb partitions and the rest 30+, but use extended partitons.
[03:32] <coz_> agoole,  use the entire hard drive option when the partitioning manager comes up
[03:32] <agoole> creating ext4 partition
[03:32] <agoole> at 0%
[03:32] <agoole> lol
[03:34] <coz_> agoole,  let it ride:)
[03:36] <wirechief> agoole also you may want to add the nomodset to grub after the install.
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> !runlevels > wirechief
[03:37] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, i saw you mentioned init 3 twice, in ubuntu init 3 doesn't really apply so i sent you the runlevel factoid
[03:37] <wirechief> k
[03:37] <wirechief> thanks ZykoticK9 things change fast.
[03:37] <wirechief> theres a lot of use to be's
[03:38] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, ya, especially if you're running Lucid -- bugs can be fixed in a matter of hours
[03:39] <wirechief> i just decided time was ripe to install it, and now have it setup along with 9.10 and 9.04 so i can check things.
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> Yea - the 'netbook session' and 'normal gnome session' seems to work properly now. :)
[03:41] <bjsnider> the gnome 3 theme mockups are cool: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/task-pooper-could-revolutionize-gnome-desktop.ars
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> I find it hard to  belive the terms 'gnome and revolutionize' can ever be used in the same sentance. :)
[03:42] <Dr_Willis> but i will wait and see i guess
[03:44] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis, "Gnome revolutionizes removing features!"
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  yep. I was being 'nice' :)
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> Perhaps in gnome 3 we can actually set the 'text' for the Text Marquee Screen saver!
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> or  The right click desktop -> customize wallpaper --> will be come 'Desktop Settings' and the tabs will include some settings you actualy DO want to change. :)
[03:46] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis, You just don't understand, you are supposed to find a screensaver theme with the exact text you want.
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> But I want my Text In mandrin chinease!
[03:47] <Dr_Willis>  so i use gconf-editor to edit the key /gnome/text/screesaver/verbse/settings/that/got/removed/in/the/next/update  to be Mandrin
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> :)
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> but NOW its in Yiddish becuse  Yiddish is easier to understand.
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> with an option for Swahili
[03:49] <wirechief> gn8 bye
[03:49] <bjsnider> the only acceptable screensaver is plain black
[03:49] <agoole> coz_: done installing
[03:49] <agoole> coz_: but the restart didn't work
[03:50] <coz_> agoole,  oooo cool
[03:50] <coz_> damn
[03:50] <bjsnider> anything else is a power hog and heavily defeats the purpose of the thing
[03:50] <agoole> coz_: so I manually selected it
[03:50] <agoole> coz_: rebooting now
[03:50] <coz_> ok
[03:50] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, actually "blank screen" doesn't even need to be a screen saver, think there's a power feature for that ;)
[03:51] <agoole> coz_: loggin in now
[03:51] <coz_> cool
[03:52] <agoole> coz_: in 9.10, the screen frequency kept being set at 76 or something random, instead of the 60
[03:52] <agoole> coz_: is there a quick way to look at that in lucid ?
[03:53] <coz_> agoole,  ah system/preferences/disply  maybe
[03:54] <agoole> coz_: should I use the hardware drivers offered to me for my nvidia card?
[03:54] <coz_> agoole,  yes that would be the "safest" way
[03:55] <agoole> coz_: perfect
[03:55] <coz_> agoole,  open a terminal for me and type  lspci | grep -i vga
[03:55] <agoole> nvidia NV18, geforce4 mx 440 AGP 8x
[03:56] <coz_> agoole,  ok  and the driver version offerred in the hardware dirvers?
[03:56] <agoole> theres 2
[03:56] <agoole> one is activated
[03:56] <coz_> agoole,  ok and did you just activate that?
[03:56] <agoole> which is the nvidia Riva/ TNT/Geforce
[03:56] <agoole> theres another one listed, but not activated
[03:57] <coz_> agoole,   but did that one activate automatically or did you choose it?
[03:57] <agoole> and its listed as nvidia version 96, [recommended]
[03:57] <agoole> it was already on
[03:57] <crdlb> you want 96
[03:57] <coz_> agoole, mmm
[03:57] <agoole> and the other was listed with it, but not activated
[03:57] <crdlb> (assuming it works with lucid's kernel and X version)
[03:57] <agoole> yeah, I thought so too, seem to remember the 96 from the last time maybe
[03:58] <coz_> agoole,  I dont remember it automatically being chosen but heh
[03:58] <agoole> ok
[03:58] <agoole> well should I switch them ?
[03:58] <coz_> no
[03:58] <agoole> ok
[03:58] <agoole> woah, 98 updates.
[03:59] <coz_> I am still having that issue when editing libanmation.so and animation.xml  that the main animation plugin in compiz disappears
[04:00] <agoole> woah,
[04:00] <agoole> midnight
[04:00] <agoole> crazy
[04:00] <coz_> agoole,  well it was worth it getting that darn thing installed right ? :)
[04:01] <agoole> hahaha tell me about it
[04:01] <agoole> it looks good
[04:01] <agoole> fresh
[04:01] <agoole> clean
[04:01] <agoole> love the new look
[04:01] <coz_> cool
[04:01] <agoole> one question though
[04:01] <agoole> whats this ublog thing ?
[04:02] <agoole> on the desktop ?
[04:02] <agoole> can I blog to myself ?
[04:02] <coz_> agoole,  kde?
[04:02] <agoole> yup
[04:02] <coz_> ah  I did see that once ... not sure never played with it
[04:03] <agoole> I've always hated how on release day all the servers are bogged down
[04:03] <agoole> glad i'm running the alpha
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> agoole:  yep. I tend to update/upgrade the day befor release.. then wait a week :)
[04:03] <agoole> haha, tell me about it
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Or i just wait a week befor i convert my machines over.
[04:04] <agoole> they should just sequence the countries,
[04:04] <agoole> to lighten the load
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Or utilize some torrent update feature. :)
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> *ghasp*
[04:04] <agoole> I try to, but sometimes I only have one weekend to get it all done, so I don't have a choice
[04:04] <agoole> lol
[04:04] <agoole> I know
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> I always use the torrents on release day to Get all the iso's
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> My HD's are smoking with those speeds.. fastest ive ever downloaded stuff
[04:05] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, i certainly hope someone/somewhere is working on a torrent based apt feature, so not only the ISOs but the updates could be distributed
[04:06] <agoole> ZykoticK9: thats a fantastic idea
[04:06] <agoole> if any of you had to compare programming for ubuntu to something else, what would it be ?
[04:07] <ZykoticK9> agoole, programming for linux should be very similar or the same for all distros
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> There is some torrent based apt feature. but if no one uses it.. then well its not useable then
[04:07] <agoole> i meant as something else, not linux related,
[04:07] <agoole> would it be like making apps for the mac ?
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> agoole:  Unix :)
[04:07] <agoole> lol
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> actually the OS-X was supposed to somehow tie into GnuStep   and how they program things.. but i dont do much programming
[04:09] <agoole> also,
[04:09] <agoole> I dont think my computer has EVER rebooted so fast
[04:09] <agoole> this is a drastic upgrade for me
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> Fast boots are good on my netbook.. but my server has 3+ week uptimes.. so fast boots are not an issue :)
[04:10] <ZykoticK9> agoole, boot/reboot speeds are impressive in lucid aren't they
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> but it has a grub issue.. where grub takes like 60 sec to even get to the grub menu
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> But its a desktop box. so it dont matter much :)
[04:11] <agoole> hahaha
[04:11] <agoole> yeah, I always hated running updates
[04:11] <agoole> because that stupid little yellow icon asking me to reboot
[04:11] <agoole> I avoided it like death
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Ubuntu-netbook adds an entry to GDM menus.. but the Kubuntu-Netbook package doesnt..
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> so far no major issues  in these alphas - Unlike the last release :)
[04:19]  * Dr_Willis phears the never ending fscks on bootups that may reappear
[04:19] <agoole> now, does anyone know if samba was ever fixed ?
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis, The unbearably slow boot menu has been fixed upstream ( the fix is available in lucid ). The problem is only with systems where the mbr is on a different drive than /boot so installing grub to the right drive / changing the boot order will also fix things.
[04:25] <agoole> has anyone tried to stream over samba anything from a lucid machine yet ?
[04:34] <agoole> ok logging off now
[04:34] <agoole> thanks everyone for your help
[04:34] <agoole> you were invaluable to my sanity
[04:34] <agoole> :)
[05:59] <abhra> hi.i'm using lucid.is there anyway to connect nokia5800 (s60v5) as modem to my laptop?if there is a way please let me know.thanks in advance
[06:10] <abhra> please anybody know anything about this?
[06:11] <Damascene> what is that abhra
[06:15] <gartral> morning all.. if i were to initiate a dist upgrade form 9.10 to 10.4 with wine installed, will i run into any problems? this is a relativly new install, aside from wine and compiz
[07:07] <faileas_> i'm having trouble with upstart - i'm trying to get the gogo6 client to work http://serverfault.com/questions/117584/upstart-scripts-run-a-task-after-networking-goes-up is the script i used to use, and the script i'm trying. I'm certain i need to get the start on arguement to be an event after eth0 is up
[07:07] <faileas_> any ideas?
[07:09] <eagles0513875> faileas_: can you explain what upstart is
[07:09] <Jordan_U> !upstart | eagles0513875
[07:09] <faileas> eagles0513875: if i need to explain, you can't help me ;p
[07:09] <eagles0513875> cuz i know the sys V system
[07:09] <faileas> with upstart one process can trigger another
[07:09] <eagles0513875> thats why iwas asking and was wondering yesterday hehe
[07:10] <faileas> the problem i'm having is, i don't know how to trigger it
[07:10] <eagles0513875> faileas: ahhhh
[07:10] <eagles0513875> why not look at the part before eth0 for example and see what triggers eth0 to start
[07:10] <faileas> tried that
[07:11] <faileas> it simply refuses to work, as opposed to giving me an error...
[07:11] <faileas> (which is another story. gw6c error messages arn't documented at all it seems
[07:12] <eagles0513875> faileas: syslog doesnt give you anything
[07:12] <eagles0513875> as well as dmesg
[07:13] <faileas> eagles0513875: basically, gw6c HAS to start after networking. the problem is i have no idea what the job name for networking is
[07:13] <faileas> and if i can't get this to start, apache and friends will refuse to start if configured for ipv6
[07:14]  * faileas thinks it comes down to.. there needing to be more system specific documentation >_>
[07:14] <eagles0513875> let me see if i find anything on gw6c for ya
[07:14] <eagles0513875> hehe and that 2
[07:14] <faileas> oh
[07:14] <faileas> gw6c works
[07:14] <faileas> i have it set up on karmic, though not the repo version
[07:14] <eagles0513875> i know but finding out what it is for ya btw
[07:14] <faileas> (repo version is set up as a 'router' setup.)
[07:15] <faileas> eagles0513875: its the gogo6/freenet6 tunnel client
[07:15] <faileas> it starts up a tunnel to their servers
[07:15] <eagles0513875> faileas: did you ask in the upstart channel
[07:15] <faileas> there's an upstart channel?
[07:15] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:15] <eagles0513875> was just in there
[07:15] <eagles0513875> hehe
[07:15] <eagles0513875> jsut /j #upstart
[07:15] <eagles0513875> hehe
[07:16] <eagles0513875> not sure how much help you will get at this hour though
[07:17] <faileas> i've been trying for DAYS
[07:17] <eagles0513875> faileas: sounds like me trying to dual boot but windows not wanting to boot with grub 2
[07:17] <faileas> i can wait ;p
[07:18] <eagles0513875> hehe for days
[07:18] <faileas> i'm not joking
[07:18] <eagles0513875> i know you arent and neither am i
[07:18] <faileas> if i can get it to work, i'm SO adding this to my personal wiki ;p
[07:18] <eagles0513875> document it
[07:19] <eagles0513875> youll do the community a big service
[07:19] <faileas> eheh
[07:19] <faileas> oh i do need to. there's precious little ipv6 documentation around
[07:19] <faileas> of course, free6 isn't the 'best' provider, but they are the most flexible
[07:20] <eagles0513875> hehe ya
[07:20] <eagles0513875> ipv6 i find hinders performance on ipv4 though
[07:22] <faileas> HE has not very good docs, and from what i can tell won't work behind a nat SixXs... lets see 'you need a real e mail address to sign up'  'it needs to be on the same server name' (which rules out the one i got- the mx server is gmail)'oh, your latency is more than 10 ms. sorry, you have no appropriate POPs despite making it a total pain to sign up, you can ask though'
[07:22] <faileas> months later, no response
[07:23] <faileas> free6 needs one account + requesting a username a password per system (for fixed ips). dynamic ips need no sign on. one config file later, it works
[07:23] <faileas> eagles0513875: not really. i run teredo on windows, miredo on some linux boxen, and free6 on servers
[07:23] <eagles0513875> nice
[07:24] <eagles0513875> right now im stuck to where i cant boot onto my windows partitin :(
[07:24] <faileas> lol
[07:24] <eagles0513875> any ideas
[07:24] <eagles0513875> and i need to get on windows badly
[07:24] <faileas> tried #windows?
[07:24] <faileas> if all else fails, windows repair install, fix grub after that
[07:24] <eagles0513875> its a grub issue
[07:24] <eagles0513875> tried that
[07:24] <eagles0513875> its windows 7 so i have no idea how to do a repair install lol
[07:24] <faileas> lol
[07:25] <faileas> eagles0513875: PM?
[07:35] <eagles0513875> faileas: do you know how i can down grade grub2 to grub legacy
[07:35] <faileas> eagles0513875: nope
[07:35] <faileas> i don't touch grub
[07:36] <eagles0513875> i wonder if i were to downgrade to grub from grub2  if i coudl boot into windows
[07:36] <eagles0513875> !grub
[07:39] <eagles0513875> faileas: sry to bother you again but do you know the command to find out an hdd's uuid
[07:41] <faileas> er...
[07:42] <faileas> not offhand no
[07:42] <eagles0513875> thats ok
[07:43] <Machtin> eagles0513875: did you edit the grub.cfg in the end? :)
[07:43] <eagles0513875> Machtin: yes and still didnt work
[07:43] <Machtin> hm :/
[07:43] <eagles0513875> !grub
[07:44] <eagles0513875> Machtin: whats the command to get uuid of drives
[07:44] <Machtin> eagles0513875: blkid
[07:45] <Machtin> eagles0513875: needs root/sudo, if you wonder why there's no output :)
[07:45] <eagles0513875> ya
[07:45] <eagles0513875> im goign to try something see if its not saving my changes even with just sudo
[07:45] <kyleabaker> I have a question about launchpad, I've submitted bugs and want to assign some of the bugs to myself so I can submit a patch, but I'm unsure of where to start
[07:46] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, that might be a better question in #launchpad actually
[07:46] <Machtin> eagles0513875: sorry to ask again, but what does update-grub do wrong?
[07:46] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: ok, changing again, haha thanks
[07:46] <eagles0513875> Machtin: does nothing wrong
[07:47] <eagles0513875> for some reason when i boot windows 7 get black screen and then get GRUB and thats it
[07:47] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, wait and see if someone else has a better (more informed answer) first
[07:47] <Machtin> i see
[07:47] <eagles0513875> yofel: has a similar setup and his boots
[07:47] <eagles0513875> im starting to wonder if
[07:47] <eagles0513875> its my 2 hdd setup
[07:48] <Machtin> hm, shouldn't be..
[07:48] <Machtin> eagles0513875: i also have windows 7 on another hdd, boots fine
[07:48] <eagles0513875> Machtin: can you copy ur grub.cfg
[07:48] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly are you booting to the 100mb system partition created by win7 itself
[07:50] <Machtin> http://pastebin.com/45KxF9nT eagles0513875
[07:50] <eagles0513875> wtf mine is exactly like that
[07:51] <Machtin> shouldn't be. that's MY UUID :P get your hands off it!
[07:51]  * ethana2 is installing Lucid now
[07:51] <eagles0513875> Machtin: no no i mean that mine is similar to layout to urs
[07:51] <eagles0513875> Machtin: you on 32bit or 64bit win 7
[07:51] <Machtin> eagles0513875: was just kidding.. :)
[07:51] <Machtin> 64bit
[07:51] <eagles0513875> ok humm
[07:52] <eagles0513875> i am as well but this makes no sense
[07:52] <Machtin> to your second question: i have no clue :)
[07:52] <eagles0513875> can u run apt-cache policy grub-pc please
[07:52] <Machtin> oh, i have a clue: it's the big partition
[07:53] <eagles0513875> yours is the big partition Machtin?
[07:53] <eagles0513875> not using the 100mb system partition
[07:53] <Machtin> /dev/sda3   *        3085       77825   600357082+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:53] <eagles0513875> O_o
[07:53] <eagles0513875> strange so ill try point it to my big partition
[07:53] <Machtin> i wonder if i have a 100mbyte partition :o
[07:54] <Machtin> hm, no. i have not.
[07:55] <eagles0513875> O_o
[07:55] <eagles0513875> you should
[07:55] <eagles0513875> its a required system partition
[07:55] <eagles0513875> wait
[07:55] <eagles0513875> did you update from a previous version like vista
[07:55] <eagles0513875> to 7
[07:55] <eagles0513875> or clean install
[07:55] <Machtin> nope.
[07:55] <Machtin> clean.
[07:55] <eagles0513875> can u do apt-cache policy grub-pc please tell me what version you have
[07:55] <Machtin>   Installed: 1.98~20100128-1ubuntu3
[07:56] <eagles0513875> ok like mine
[07:56] <Machtin> would be worth trying to boot in the big partition, i'd say :)
[07:56] <eagles0513875> i tried that
[07:56] <eagles0513875> what chomd commands do i need to issue prior to editing grub.cfg
[07:56] <Machtin> oh
[07:57] <eagles0513875> ill try it again
[07:57] <eagles0513875> Machtin: you said blkid to get uuid of partitions
[07:57] <Machtin> yes?
[07:58] <kyleabaker> anyone have any idea why my gnome session crashed on first authentication immediately after auto-login? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8893806#post8893806
[07:58] <eagles0513875> strange blkid isnt doing anythign
[07:58] <eagles0513875> not bringing anything up for me
[07:58] <Machtin> eagles0513875: did you sudo?
[07:58] <Machtin> it requires root, i wrote that :)
[07:58] <eagles0513875> ahh
[07:58] <eagles0513875> sry didnt see that
[07:58] <Machtin> no problem :)
[07:59] <Machtin> you can also ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid i think
[07:59] <Machtin> that shouldn't require root
[08:00] <Machtin> brb, i'll get a yoghurt
[08:00] <eagles0513875> back
[08:00] <eagles0513875> goign to reboot now
[08:01] <eagles0513875> Machtin: that didnt do anything
[08:01] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:02] <Machtin> hm :/
[08:03] <Machtin> would you lose anything you'd care about if you had to reinstall?
[08:03] <Machtin> oh, no one should see that i'm suggesting such a thing.
[08:03] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, do you know is it when you press the Enter key that Gnome crashes?
[08:04] <eagles0513875> Machtin: yes
[08:04] <eagles0513875> all my music
[08:04] <eagles0513875> 80gb worth
[08:04] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:04] <eagles0513875> i have space on my 2tb hdd
[08:04] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: yes, it is
[08:04] <ethana2> wait, what OS is this?
[08:04] <eagles0513875> 1.4gb partition which is already formatted ntfs Machtin
[08:04] <eagles0513875> ethana2: you talking to me
[08:04] <Machtin> eagles0513875: i can strongly recommend to create a /home-partition :)
[08:04] <ethana2> eagles0513875: ah, windows
[08:04] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: I'm unable to get a crash log for it, but upon logging back in I am able to report 2-3 services that crash
[08:04] <ethana2> I've reinstalled ubuntu over itself, losing nothing
[08:04] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, common issue right now (but typically people encounter it at the GDM login)
[08:05] <eagles0513875> ethana2: i have a 2nd partitoin on a 2nd drive for linux
[08:05] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: like I said, i have auto-login
[08:05] <kyleabaker> so the first auth is after login
[08:05] <eagles0513875> whats not making sense is why its working for Machtin and not me
[08:06] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, ya i understand that - you might want to search for GDM crashing Enter key or something.  I believe if you remove Plymouth it will correct the issue, but I just live with the initial crash each time.
[08:06] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, actually i'm going to reboot and see if it's even still happening
[08:07] <eagles0513875> anyone else with ideas
[08:09] <eagles0513875> does anyone know if a newer versin of grub 2 is in the pipline for lucid
[08:09] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, is your system fully up-to-date?  Didn't have the crash that reboot (this issue has been going for a long time)
[08:09] <Machtin> http://pastebin.com/5b730sc8 <- any thoughts on why i would have to remove cryptsetup in order to remove plymouth?
[08:10] <Machtin> isn't plymouth just the new usplash?
[08:10] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Yes, 1.98 will be released some time this weekend and there will certainly be package upgrades beyond that. Why?
[08:10] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: cant dual boot with windows 7
[08:10] <eagles0513875> Machtin: and yofel it works for them
[08:10] <eagles0513875> Machtin: has his setup more like mine yet he doesnt have a 100mb system partition
[08:11] <eagles0513875> and he has 7 on a 2nd hdd
[08:11] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, If I remember your problem correctly it doesn't sound like a grub issue as much as a windows issue
[08:11] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: what you mean
[08:11] <eagles0513875> firstly should i have had windows installed prior to installing kubuntu
[08:11] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Grub just jumps to the Windows bootloader.
[08:11] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, a forum post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1409243
[08:11] <Machtin> Jordan_U: i wonder if you're right.. as i understood, he can see something with "grub" in it when trying to boot
[08:12] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, That's the normal order but either way works.
[08:12] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: which it seems to be screwed up somewhere
[08:12] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: it used to be for vista you had to install vista first then linux
[08:12] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, No, that was just recommended so you didn't have to re-install grub afterward
[08:12] <Machtin> !plymouth
[08:12] <Machtin> hm. too bad.
[08:13] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: you think its a corrupt windows boot loader
[08:13] <eagles0513875> Machtin: bot delay hehe
[08:13] <eagles0513875> !info plymouth | Machtin
[08:13] <Machtin> no, it answered instantly in query
[08:13] <eagles0513875> ahh
[08:13] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Yes ( or the windows bootloader not being on that partition at all )
[08:13] <Machtin> but that info probably did it :)
[08:13] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: my system is fully up-to-date with the exception of "mono-runtime" for some reason which is not updateable for me atm
[08:13] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:14] <Machtin> sorry to ask again, but: http://pastebin.com/5b730sc8 what's wrong here?
[08:14] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, also a know issue "mono-runtime"
[08:14] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, Have you gotten to the point where Windows boots ( fixboot from the recovery CD or similar )?
[08:14] <eagles0513875> fixboot and fix mbr it says dont exist on the media O_o
[08:14] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: not sure why its still not working then
[08:14] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: found the command to do it hold on
[08:15] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, if you want to get an idea of how many people / how many bugs can be submitted for the same issue - google "lucid gdm crash enter"
[08:15] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: it happens predictably and just happened right before i entered irc
[08:15] <kyleabaker> ok
[08:15] <Machtin> i'm somehow unable to boot, as soon as i try to mount the decrypted /home-partition via fstab. if i don't try to mount it, it doesn't even get decrypted, though there is a line in crypttab - but i can at least boot.
[08:16] <Machtin> so every time i boot, i have to luksOpen the device, then mount it, then restart kdm manually to get a proper environment
[08:16] <Machtin> the point where it hangs is after i entered the passphrase. nothing happens from there on
[08:18] <Machtin> i did boot with and without the splash option btw.
[08:19]  * faileas does the happy fun dance of VICTORY
[08:20] <kyleabaker> ZykoticK9: thing a forced reinstall of plymouth would fix this?
[08:20] <kyleabaker> *think
[08:20] <faileas> eagles0513875: i got it working ;p
[08:20] <eagles0513875> faileas: kool kool what was wrong
[08:20] <faileas> eagles0513875: someone give me the right command ;p
[08:20] <ZykoticK9> kyleabaker, doubt it - i think if you remove plymouth it would fix it
[08:21] <eagles0513875> faileas: repairing mbr
[08:21] <eagles0513875> now time to reboot
[08:21] <kyleabaker> I'll just suffer through the initial crash
[08:21] <faileas> good luck
[08:21] <kyleabaker> if its still there when final is released then i'll just reinstall the os
[08:23] <eagles0513875> well that just screwed up everything :(
[08:23] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, What happens now?
[08:23] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: killed grub and all i have is a black screen
[08:23] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:24] <faileas> eagles0513875: in the end i asked on Superuser, serverfault, three irc channels... and i got the answer on a mailing list
[08:24] <eagles0513875> have one last thing to try
[08:24] <eagles0513875> faileas: nice
[08:24] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: goign to run startup repair now off dvd
[08:27] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, how much space should I open up for the Lucid alpha3 installer on my flash drive?
[08:30] <SwedeMike> around a gig, the installer doesn't really use more space than that.
[08:32]  * eagles0513875 note to self try and take daily backups
[08:32] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: i just basically killed my system
[08:34] <eagles0513875> reinstallation time
[08:34] <eagles0513875> thank god i have another partition i can install it on
[08:35] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, That at least supports my suspicion that there is a problem with the windows bootloader. Try asking in #windows ( or I can help you get back grub fairly easily )
[08:37] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: how can i get grub back i cant even boot into kubuntu
[08:39] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, You don't have a liveCD?
[08:39] <eagles0513875> a karmic one
[08:40] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: could this be an issue in regards to upgrading from lucid?
[08:40] <eagles0513875> from karmic to lucid
[08:40] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, I doubt it.
[08:40] <eagles0513875> Machtin: did you upgrade to lucid from karmic on ur dual boot
[08:42] <Jordan_U> eagles0513875, You can follow this guide to re-install grub: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[08:42] <eagles0513875> thanks im going to try a clean install of lucid i think
[08:42] <eagles0513875> i havent had very good luck with upgrades
[08:43] <kyleabaker> is empathy unable to list rooms for irc? i'm getting an empty list and unsure how to make it update
[08:48] <eagles0513875> Jordan_U: thanks for the link to that site btw :)
[08:48] <mikedep333> hey, I posted my reactions to Alpha 3
[08:48] <mikedep333> http://mikedepaulo.blogspot.com/
[08:49] <mikedep333> overall I like it. many good usability and power user improvements. a moderate amount of bugs. However, the removal of so many gnome games by default I disagree with.
[08:49] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: they are probably in the repositories
[08:49] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, I'm sure. I bet they are in main
[08:49] <eagles0513875> they probably removed them so that other probably more useful programs can go on the live cd
[08:49] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, good point
[08:49] <faileas> mikedep333: blah. anything other than minesweeper and solitare is un-nessary ;p
[08:49] <eagles0513875> lol faileas
[08:50] <mikedep333> lol, let me see if it includes them
[08:50] <eagles0513875> faileas: lol i am having fun reinstalling grub lol fixing mbr for windows messed up grub so cant boot to anything woohoo :p
[08:50] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, I'm very familiar with doing that with Grub 1
[08:51] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: im on 2 but having issues booting onto my windows 7 partition
[08:51] <eagles0513875> i have a 500gb hdd with win 7
[08:51] <mikedep333> ok, it does include mines and aislerot solitaire
[08:51] <eagles0513875> then 2tb hdd 500gb for kubuntu 1.4tb for freespace formatted ntfs and 16gb swap
[08:51] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, you installed grub 2 but now you can't chainload windos 7?
[08:52] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: what exactly is chain loading
[08:52] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, btw, are you an Philadelphia eagles fan? I'm from the Philly area and at Penn State now
[08:52] <eagles0513875> no
[08:52] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, it's where one boatloader goes to another
[08:52] <eagles0513875> let me get grub reinstalled
[08:52] <eagles0513875> i think mikedep333 the win boot ldr is messed up somehow
[08:52] <eagles0513875> not sure if it is due to upgrading from karmic to lucid or something else
[08:52] <mikedep333> eg, the grub boatloader loads the windows bootloader
[08:53] <eagles0513875> give me a few to get grub reinstalled
[08:53] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, ok, just remember that what you want to do is "chainload" the windows partition. you don't need to specifically specity vista/win7 bootmgr, just point it to the partition
[08:54] <Damascene> eagles0513875, you might try to use the windows 7 repair disk then reinstall grub
[08:54] <eagles0513875> Damascene: i did i ran fixmbr and fudged everythign up
[08:55] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, also, it can be difficult to point to the correct partition if grub sees your hard drives differently than linux. this can happen if you have multiple storage controllers (eg, a regular integrated one and raid controller)
[08:55] <mikedep333> *and a raid controller
[08:55] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: i run sudo update-grub and it set it up accordingly using the 100mb system partition that windows created
[08:55] <Damascene> I think windows 7 loader needs more than fixmbr eagles0513875
[08:55] <eagles0513875> Damascene: fixboot then
[08:55] <Damascene> eagles0513875, do you have windows 7 dvd?
[08:56] <eagles0513875> Damascene: yes
[08:56] <mikedep333> my windows 7 doesn't have any special system partition
[08:56] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, you aren't on a mac, are you?
[08:56] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: did you upgrade your machine?
[08:56] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: this laptop yes
[08:56] <eagles0513875> desktop no
[08:56] <eagles0513875> and laptop yes is dual booting with win 7 using boot camp but that isnt the machine in question
[08:56] <eagles0513875> Damascene: should i boot onto the dvd
[08:56] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, there is a boot dvd or whatever you can try
[08:57] <mikedep333> I forget what its called
[08:57] <mikedep333> let me look
[08:57] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:57] <eagles0513875> let me in the mean time fix grub
[08:57] <mikedep333> it will chainload any partition
[08:57] <eagles0513875> what other options are there for chainload just +1
[08:57] <Damascene> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ss/windows-7-startup-repair.htm eagles0513875
[08:58] <Damascene> if the windows loader is broken grub can not help you on that as far as I know
[08:59] <eagles0513875> Damascene: i ran the startup repair utility and it doesnt find any startup errors
[09:00] <mikedep333> here we are:
[09:00] <mikedep333> http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/
[09:00] <Damascene> once after I installed fedora and deleted a partition from the end of the disk, windows 7 failed to boot and I've to reinstall it
[09:00] <Damascene> Damascene, try supergrub cd
[09:00] <Damascene> eagles0513875,
[09:01] <eagles0513875> Damascene: im following http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide to fix grub
[09:01] <Damascene> grub can load linux , right?
[09:01] <mikedep333> Damascene, yes, that is its primary purpose
[09:01] <Damascene> or it's not working at all?
[09:02] <Damascene> I mean on his machine
[09:02] <mikedep333> oh, my bad
[09:03] <Damascene> no my words wasn't accurate
[09:03] <eagles0513875> Damascene: right now after trying to fix mbr not at all but prior linux booting was fine
[09:04] <eagles0513875> startup repair is useless
[09:04] <Damascene> so that was not a grub problem till you made it its :)
[09:05] <mikedep333> brb
[09:06] <Damascene> eagles0513875, can you ask support from m$
[09:06] <eagles0513875> no
[09:06] <Damascene> I think it's their problem.
[09:07] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:07] <eagles0513875> i just need to get on kubuntu long enough to backup my pgp key
[09:07] <eagles0513875> and then if need be ill reformat
[09:07] <Damascene> eagles0513875, did you try autosupergrub?
[09:08] <eagles0513875> no i havent
[09:08] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, I highly recommend you try smart bootr manager
[09:08] <faileas> eagles0513875: does windows work, at least. now? ;p
[09:08] <eagles0513875> faileas: no
[09:08] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:08] <eagles0513875> not even linux atm
[09:08] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: then how do i run it
[09:08] <mikedep333> you boot its cd
[09:08] <Damascene> http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/AutoSuperGrubDisk might help
[09:08] <mikedep333> Damascene, oh, I forgot about that one
[09:09] <faileas> eagles0513875: livecd time!
[09:09] <eagles0513875> ya already ahead of u on that one hehe
[09:11] <eagles0513875> brb need to get on windows partition to use unetbootin
[09:11] <faileas> unetbootin works in linux  >_>
[09:12] <eagles0513875> im on osx btw
[09:13] <eagles0513875> actually
[09:13] <faileas> oh
[09:13] <faileas> my bad
[09:13] <eagles0513875> i wonder if they have a mac port for it
[09:13] <edakiri> Is there an Alpha3 DVD? or only daily DVDs?
[09:13] <TLF> hello
[09:14] <mikedep333> edakiri, I think they discontinued the daily/alpha DVDs
[09:14] <mikedep333> edakiri, the latest ones are from january
[09:14] <TLF> If I upgrade from 9.10 to alpha 10.04 3 through update-manager -d what will happen to the repos I added with add-apt-repository?
[09:14] <TLF> will autmatically updated to 10.04 repos? or will stay 9.10??
[09:14] <mikedep333> TLF, I am pretty sure they will no longer work
[09:15] <mikedep333> TLF, or stay at the 9.10 versions
[09:15] <TLF> mikedep333: so, what will happend with main sources.list, too?
[09:15] <TLF> won't change?
[09:15] <mikedep333> I think the main sources.list will only have the official ubuntu repos updated
[09:16] <mikedep333> but I'm not 100% sure
[09:16] <TLF> ok
[09:16] <TLF> thank you
[09:16] <mikedep333> np
[09:19] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[09:20] <eagles0513875> question super grub is that for the original grub or will it install grub 2
[09:21] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, not sure
[09:21] <mikedep333> I was thinking that myself
[09:21] <mikedep333> I think a chainloader will help you boot windows though
[09:22] <eagles0513875> can always update once i at least have a working boot ldr
[09:24] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/forum/index.php?topic=438.0
[09:26] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, great
[09:26] <TLF> it's possible to get a document with the changes update-manager will do??
[09:26] <mikedep333> make sure you get the "super grub2 disk"
[09:27] <TLF> a .txt or so
[09:27] <mikedep333> TLF: this has some info
[09:27] <mikedep333> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:27] <mikedep333> "Using packages from repositories not controlled by Ubuntu is not recommended as it can be a security risk and may break or complicate your upgrade. If you have used EasyUbuntu or Automatix (neither of which is recommended nor supported), you may have problems upgrading to a newer version and may require a fresh install. If you have installed software from other sources, the upgrade may go more smoothly if you remove this soft
[09:27] <mikedep333> ware before attempting the upgrade."
[09:28] <mikedep333> TLF, sorry, it sounds like it isn't very friendly to your needs
[09:28] <mikedep333> TLF, just making sure, you realize that this is an alpha version and that it is so buggy that you only want to use it on a test machine, right?
[09:28] <TLF> yeah
[09:28] <mikedep333> ok
[09:30] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: all i need to do is boot of the usb now?
[09:31] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, I was presuming you were going to boot off of a CD
[09:31] <mikedep333> if they officialy support/recommend using a USB, that's fine too
[09:31] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: going to try super grub instead
[09:31] <mikedep333> ok
[09:31] <eagles0513875> i created a usb using the super grub iso
[09:31] <mikedep333> ok
[09:32] <eagles0513875> ffs :(
[09:32] <eagles0513875> that didnt get setup right lol
[09:35] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, just use the CD
[09:36] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: how big is the iso for the cd
[09:36] <eagles0513875> all mine downloaded was 1.2 mb
[09:36] <mikedep333> that is correct
[09:37] <mikedep333> simple boot utilities can be quite small
[09:37] <mikedep333> they're typically written in assembly
[09:37] <mikedep333> and feature little graphics
[09:50] <eagles0513875> humm :(
[09:51] <eagles0513875> seems to be hanging at least trying to repair win mbr :(
[09:51] <eagles0513875> get an error 15 when trying to repair grub :(
[09:52] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: what option do i choose
[09:55] <tinchen> hi, I'm trying to test the lucid alpha3 installer cd(64bit) but I only get a black screen on X. The old system on this computer was also an kubuntu unstable (lucid) but it was working (with radeon RV280 and open source driver)
[09:55] <tinchen> There is no problem in the xorg log file
[09:57] <tinchen> I can switch between the blank X und the tty sessions
[09:58] <ZykoticK9> tinchen, try adding "nomodeset" to your grub options - see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/quick-fixes for details
[09:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: fix the windows boot loader first get that booting
[09:59] <ikonia> eagles0513875: get a known "sane" system - then deal with grub
[10:00] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, I'm thinking there would be a solution to just boot windows from the cd
[10:00] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i am trying with supergrub on a bootable usb
[10:01] <ikonia> eagles0513875: why ?
[10:01] <mikedep333> let me try it in a virtual machine
[10:01] <ikonia> eagles0513875: super grub is not the ubuntu grub build
[10:02] <eagles0513875> ikonia: it also fixes windows mbr btw
[10:02] <ikonia> no - the windows DVD fixes that
[10:02] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, run detect any os
[10:02] <eagles0513875> well it hasnt for me
[10:02] <ikonia> eagles0513875: use the correct tols for the job
[10:02] <eagles0513875> i have been
[10:02] <ikonia> eagles0513875: so if the windows DVD can't fix the MBR - does that not tell you there is something more wrong than the mbr ?
[10:03] <eagles0513875> what else would be wrong its nto booting
[10:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: get windows booting first (the guys in ##windows can help) then work on the secondary OS which is Linux and the overall bootloader which is gru
[10:04] <ikonia> grub2 even
[10:04] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, did you select "run detect any os" from the super grub2 disk menu?
[10:04] <ikonia> this is no longer a Lucid issue, so maybe best to take it to the right channel
[10:05] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: seems like i am on grub 1 menu :(
[10:05] <eagles0513875> ok ikonia
[10:05] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: kubuntu offtopic
[10:05] <ikonia> no
[10:05] <ikonia> that is not a support channel
[10:05] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, what?
[10:05] <eagles0513875> mikedep333: right now tbh im not really worried about linux install im more worried about windows. im asking in the windows channel
[10:06] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, just try the super grub 2 disk with "detect any os", there may be a similar option with the grub 1 disk
[10:06] <tinchen> ZykoticK9: Didn't helped, anyway, the system do not freeze, only X stays blank.
[10:07] <ZykoticK9> tinchen, sorry man no other suggestion -- the black X screen, thought it was worth a shot...  good luck man
[10:07] <kyleabaker> is empathy unable to list rooms for irc? i'm getting an empty list and unsure how to make it update
[10:07] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, do you want to justy abandon linux and try to run windows?
[10:07] <mikedep333> *run windows only
[10:07] <ikonia> guys - this is not a lucid issue
[10:08] <tinchen> ZykoticK9: Is there a way to run the installer without X?
[10:08] <tinchen> (without using the alternative CD)
[10:08] <ZykoticK9> tinchen, just the alt-cd i think
[10:10] <mikedep333> eagles0513875, you should be able to just select "win!!" on the super grub 1 disk menu
[10:10] <ikonia> mikedep333: please stop, this is nothing to do with lucid
[10:16] <tinchen> Hmmm, seems a problem with the xserver
[10:21] <tinchen> Any ideas why X stays black? (No system freeze, no error message, installprocess is running, nomodeset doesn't helped)
[10:21] <Damascene> tinchen, there is a known problem with x but going to tty then to x again fixes it
[10:21] <tinchen> Damascene: Not for me
[10:21] <Damascene> you have just installed the Alpha 3, right?
[10:22] <tinchen> Damascene: I try to install from cd
[10:23] <Damascene> try to go to init 3 and then startx or something
[10:23] <tinchen> Damascene: X is already running
[10:23] <Damascene> kill it
[10:26] <tinchen> From pstree, there is a Xorg process but not from ps *narf*
[10:27] <tinchen> Damascene: killall -KILL Xorg freezes my system :)
[10:28] <Damascene> what is your display card?
[10:28] <tinchen> Damascene: Radeon RV280
[10:29] <Damascene> do you have internet connection on that system? can you update?
[10:29] <tinchen> Damascene: On the other hdd there is a kubuntu installaton which is using lucid and this works
[10:29] <tinchen> Damascene: Should be
[10:30] <Damascene> try updating
[10:30] <tinchen> Damascene: ifconfig tells so
[10:31] <tinchen> Damascene: How to update the install cd? dselect or aptitude?
[10:33] <Damascene> do you want to update the live cd or the system installed on your machine?
[10:34] <tinchen> Damascene: I want a fresh "clean" install from the cd to a fresh clean hard drive.
[10:35] <Damascene> and the live cd doesn't work for you, right?
[10:35] <tinchen> Damascene: Yes
[10:37] <Damascene> then you should try to update the live cd in the normal way. that worked for me with fedora once
[10:37] <Damascene> anaconda was broken then
[10:39] <tinchen> Damascene: so it sounds more easy to use the alternative cd and instal from that one
[10:40] <tinchen> And update afterwards the installed system
[10:40] <Damascene> that if updating the live cd didn't work
[10:45] <tinchen> Damascene: Hehe, I now choose the option "Starting live without instal" and I get a working X session.
[10:45] <Damascene> good
[10:46] <tinchen> only my mouse isn't working
[10:48] <tinchen> trying again with ps/2 mouse and not the cable less one
[10:48] <Damascene> don't forget to check your system with system testing and upload the report
[10:49] <tinchen> Damascene: It may be that the problem is a xorg.conf.failsafe which is in /etc/X11 if you use "Install from CD"
[10:51] <tinchen> Damascene: What system settings do you mean?
[10:51] <Damascene> in the system menu there is a program that do system testing
[10:53] <tinchen> Damascene: After install or on the live cd? Or better can you tell me the executable name?
[10:53] <Damascene> check-box or something
[10:54] <Damascene> doesn't matter when
[10:54] <Damascene> checkbox-gtk
[10:58] <tinchen> Damascene: seems not in the live system
[10:59] <Damascene> you know the Tab trick. try chkbox or what ever it's
[10:59] <apparle> I have grub2.. in 9.10. Now I want to try 10.04, how to boot fromt the OS
[10:59] <apparle> ISO
[10:59] <Damascene> np any way. you can do it when ever you want
[11:00] <tinchen> Damascene: The tab works only, if the application is installed :)
[11:00] <Damascene> I think it was installed with live I tried
[11:01] <Damascene> don't make that your problem and proceed what you was doing :)
[11:01] <tinchen> :D
[11:03] <Damascene> apparle, I wish I know how. that would helped me alot
[11:04] <apparle> Damascene: GRUB2 has the capability to boot from ISOs but needs some config
[11:05] <Damascene> I'll try that some day
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> grub2 iso boot is handy
[11:09] <apparle> Dr_Willis: any howto for it?
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> tons of them online
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> delicious.com/dr_willis   - i got some bookmarned
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> install grub2 on flash, make grub.cfg    boot! :)
[11:10] <apparle> Dr_Willis: I don't want it on flash I wanna boot from my main disk
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> thats doable also
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> i put the isos in my /boot/ partion for a ergancy rescue option
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> made a custome item in /etc/grub.d/????? somthing to ad thm to the end
[11:12] <Damascene> I think he want to boot from iso file by changing grub.cfg entries
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> thats doable.. but you need to know wha tto add
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> i made seperate3 entries for several diffrent iso files
[11:12] <apparle> Dr_Willis: But I heard, grub only the kernel in the ISO and does not boot the actual ISO as it would have booted from a CD drive?.. is it so
[11:13] <apparle> Dr_Willis: But I heard, grub calls only the kernel......................................
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> grubg2 has features to 'mount' an iso file and access files on it via a loopback feature
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> GRUB2   not grub :)
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> grub 1 Cant do it.
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> Grub2 CAN if the disrto supports the right options
[11:14] <rww> I'm booted off a USB stick that's doing this right now, actually :)
[11:14] <rww> I can throw the relevant /boot/grub/grub.cfg stuff in a pastebin if someone needs it...
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> i made a usb stick that has 4 differnt ubuntu variants and other distros
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> http://delicious.com/dr_willis   - i got tthe info i used bookmarked
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> such a handy site
[11:30] <apparle> Dr_Willis: will the first entry http://www.panticz.de/MultiBootUSB work?
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> it should
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> the imporntant line is
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> inux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/boot/iso/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.is
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> that STUPIDLY named iso-scan/filename  - is a kernel option  that ubuntu supports
[11:33]  * Dr_Willis wonders who decided a boot optopon needs a / in its name :)
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> unless theres other iso-scan/XXXXXX arguments as well
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> that URL is basically the guide i followed.. then tweaked
[11:34] <apparle> Dr_Willis: I'd love to see GRUB to come up with booting ISOs such that the boot record of CD image is used instead of calling the kernels
[11:34] <apparle> Dr_Willis: but I didn't find your link
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> i got lots of them at mu delicious.com listing under grub2
[11:38] <apparle> Dr_Willis: too many.....to search through
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> i only got a few on dr_willis/grub2   :)
[11:43] <ikt> ubuntu one music store not working yet?
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[11:43] <Dr_Willis>  I never play on ever buying music anyway :)
[11:43] <ikt> y?
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> why do i care about music at all>
[11:44] <ikt> oh you're one of those ppl :P
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> Now if it had a ANIME store....
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> Its just noise..  and theres tons of free internet radio station
[11:44] <ikt> "what kinda music you into?" "oh I just listen to whatevers on the radio" "ugh"
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> actually i rarely listen to anything
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> its just background noise  most of the time
[11:44] <ikt> I'm listening to music 24x7
[11:44] <ikt> even when I sleep O.O
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> its just background noise  then
[11:46] <ikt> important background noise though
[11:46] <ikt> I couldn't go to sleep listening to thrash
[11:46] <apparle> Dr_Willis: do you have any idea on booting similarly other distros like opensuse, fedora?
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> apparle:  that 'special option' is differnt for each disrto. and they have to supportthe fe3ature
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> apparle:  not all do. but many are starting to
[11:47] <apparle> Dr_Willis: what about fedora and opensuse?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> thats why i said its a silly named option. The disrto makers should get organized and come up with a standard variable name for the option
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> apparle:  read their docs/forums
[11:47] <apparle> Dr_Willis: :)
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> or google to see if they got the option
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> xpud works, tcl does. as do other disrtos ive tried.  but not tried those
[11:50] <apparle> Dr_Willis: Do you know about geexbox
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> ive used it  - the next release isw very impressive
[11:53] <apparle> Dr_Willis: Ya.... but I don't have a CD drive. I want to try it..........how to
[11:53] <apparle> Dr_Willis: do you mind if we continue over private msg
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> check its forums.docs,guides - you can do a flash setup with it.
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> thts how i did it
[11:54] <apparle> Dr_Willis: I am able to do everything to the old version....I want to try the alpha.......no docs, files etc on it
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> it worked with unetbootin, or that 'linuxloader' or linuxlive tool in windows thats like unetbootin
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> thats how i made a usb flash of it
[11:55] <apparle> Dr_Willis: you made the 2.0 alpha on USB drive?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> yes
[11:56] <apparle> I am just unable to do it...... can you make me an img for that plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:56] <apparle> Dr_Willis: I just endup at busybox
[11:57] <Dr_Willis>  i used the  tool at  www.linuxliveusb.com  to make it
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> one of the WORSE  GUI's on a program ive ever seen. but it works
[11:58] <apparle> Dr_Willis: did you have any success with unetbootin
[11:59] <apparle> Dr_Willis: 65% download on lucid done.... will be trying it soon
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> i recall unetbootin working for geexbox in the past. but i also recall Geexbox being VERY picky about its options at boot. So i may have tweaked the syslinux.cfg file a but
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> it uses UUID#'s so that can be an annoyance at times
[12:01] <tgpraveen12> Dr_Willis: apparle doesnt ubuntu have a built in prog to make live usbs
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> tgpraveen12:  that works for UBUNTU  and its relatives only - from what ive see
[12:01] <tgpraveen12> startup disk creator
[12:02] <tgpraveen12> hmm r u sure? it seems to take any iso file as input
[12:02] <apparle> tgpraveen12: I know and have used it earlier..... I was discussing booting an ISO from HDD itself and then discussion drifted off
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> taking an ISO file as input and actually making a  bootable usb fash  - are NOT the same thing
[12:03] <tgpraveen12> i knw. hmm maybe u r right
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> give it a windows iso file and see what it does. :) or other disrtos.
[12:04] <apparle> Dr_Willis: you are saying tis picky coz of UUIDs.... so isn't it good to use UUIDs?
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> the  tool at  www.linuxliveusb.com   is a little  smarter then Unbetbootin in ways. but its windows only.
[12:21] <tinchen> damn ... now i'm running in bug #528034
[12:22] <tgpraveen12> Damascene: hey i still am having probs of empathy not having accounts when i start up my pc
[12:22] <tgpraveen12> and then i close and start empathy 2-3 times and it is ok. is ur problem completely solved?
[12:55] <Damascene> tgpraveen12, I still have it sometime times but I don't use empathy very much
[13:28] <melissawm> hi people. i'm looking for help installing lucid. i've downloaded the current images - both live cd (amd64) and alternate cd (amd64) - and both of them fail when trying to install them from a usb stick.
[13:29] <melissawm> i've tried creating the usb stick via unetbootin and usb-creator, both fail
[13:30] <melissawm> for the live cd, it gets stuck in the logo screen and never proceeds; the alternate cd fails during installation - after disk partitioning and during "select and install software" iirc, with an error "can't read files from the cd"
[13:30] <melissawm> checking the image for errors yields "can't read files from the cd" error again (since the image is in a usb stick...)
[13:30] <melissawm> can anyone help me?
[13:33] <penguin42> I think we had someone here last night with a similar problem
[13:33] <melissawm> it was me i think :)
[13:33] <penguin42> oh, that's not a pattern then!
[13:33] <melissawm> nobody answered so i don't know if anyone can help me
[13:34] <melissawm> i'm willing to burn a cd to check if it would be any different from the cd, but can anyone give me a reason why that would be the case?
[13:34] <kklimonda> melissawm: an alpha3 live cd worked just fine here
[13:35] <kklimonda> melissawm: what graphic card do you have? maybe you have to disable kms or something similar to get it working
[13:36] <melissawm> nvidia GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M
[13:36] <melissawm> kklimonda: but even the alternate cd fails
[13:37] <melissawm> i've tried looking in launchpad but there's no bug report for this... is it a usb installation problem perhaps?
[13:38] <kklimonda> you can try burning a cd but it doesn't sound like the usb issue. have you checked if the hash of downloaded images is correct?
[13:39] <melissawm> i've been doing it via zsync
[13:39] <melissawm> (it's been 2 weeks, and i've tried every 2-3 days, always with the same result)
[13:50] <kklimonda> melissawm: you should try burning a cd then - I have no other good suggestions right now :)
[13:50] <melissawm> ok thanks :)
[14:03] <wirechief> melissawm you said 10.4 alpha 3 fails, if you burn a cd then you can do a media check, that will give you confidence that your filesystems are ok.
[14:03] <wirechief> liveusb is great but not so great when things dont work and you need to verify the contents of the stick.
[14:04] <melissawm> wirechief: thanks. i'll do that... probably with the alternate cd so i don't have the plymouth problem (apparently that would be an issue too since the live cd doesn't even start)
[14:05] <wirechief> right well many users are having issues and need to use nomodeset in the boot options otherwise get a black screen
[14:06] <melissawm> ok
[14:06] <melissawm> thanks :)
[14:06] <wirechief> i had that plus I needed to disable ipv6, otherwise my boot took minutes
[14:07] <wirechief> now it boots very fast and faster than karmic
[14:07] <wirechief> i used zsync too.
[14:08] <Zorael> Should it be possible to connect to a VPN with the knetworkmanager in 4.4? I get an entry in the context menu, but clicking it doesn't seem to do anything.
[14:08] <melissawm> good to know! i'm using a usb stick because i'm trying to take part in the proprietary drivers testing for X, but so far no luck installing lucid :(
[14:09] <wirechief> ah, ok. i avoid the proprietary, too many headaches in the past.
[14:09] <melissawm> since i'll have to install lucid from scratch every week i would like to save cds ;) but if i have to, that's ok
[14:09] <penguin42> melissawm: cd-rw!
[14:09] <melissawm> penguin42: that's true, i hadn't thought of that. haven't used those in a few years. how many times can you re-burn them?
[14:10] <wirechief> yes thats understandable. ive used cdrw's but am not able to use them on anything other than the computer i burn them on.
[14:11] <wirechief> i must be missing a step to finalize or something.
[14:12] <melissawm> there used to be a step to "close" the burning of a cd a few years ago. is that still something you should do? (lol i'm old)
[14:13] <penguin42> melissawm: I don't know, I'd expect at least say 10
[14:14] <melissawm> penguin42: ok that's good!
[14:14] <wirechief> i guess thats why i prefer to just use cds..
[14:17] <smf> lucid comes with hdparm v9.15. in 9.17 support was added for TRIM command in SSD. latest version is 9.27. can you put new hdparm in repo?
[14:24] <penguin42> smf: It might be a bit late to ask, but I think you file a bug against the hdparm package asking for it
[14:25] <penguin42> although for ssd performance seems like  a good reason
[15:24] <zonyl> Hi All.  I am unable to get firefox to recognize the java plugin.  I apparently have openjdk installed though.  Is there a package I am missing/
[15:28] <penguin42> zonyl: Try icedtea6-plugin
[15:28] <smf> will ubuntu ever have java installed by default?
[15:28] <smf> java seems be first class citizen on mac, not on linux and windows
[15:28] <IdleOne> probably never
[15:28] <smf> and on linux its been much non-free java and stuff, that they worked to free up
[15:28] <faileas> well, java *is* open sourced now, right?
[15:29] <smf> kinda
[15:29] <smf> i think like 99%
[15:29] <smf> but linux has failed to adopt Java, which has lead to .NET becoming more popular lately
[15:29] <zonyl> penguin42: ! Thanks !
[15:30] <zonyl> smf: hate to say it but I am using mono more and more nowadays.  :(
[15:30] <smf> oh
[15:31] <zonyl> I have been working on a new home automation software to replace "Misterhouse" that is completely in C#/mono.
[15:32] <smf> oh cool
[15:32] <smf> i hope you gonna open source it
[15:36] <ikt> anyone else have plymouth freeze on bootup unless they press a key?
[15:36] <zonyl> smf: Yep.  Hopefully this summer I will have enough to support a release.
[15:36] <ikt> if only there was an apport hook for plymouth
[15:39] <faileas> what is plymouth supposed to do anyway?
[15:39] <faileas> other than fail.. apparently gracefully...
[15:39] <smf> look pretty?
[15:40] <melodie_> hello !
[15:40] <melodie_> how do you do ?
[15:41] <faileas> smf: it dosen't do anything on the server nightly i downloaded ;p
[15:41] <melodie_> I have a alpha3 lucid of 2 days ago : 26th, running fine in virtualbox, and would like to boot it from usb. It boots allright but then it doesn't find the squashfs file because it's looking for /dev/sr0 : the cdrom drive. Question : are there any hdmedia images for boot on iso image somewhere ?
[15:44] <smf> faileas, well plymouth not so interesting on servers, more interesting on desktop
[15:48] <actionParsnip> yo yo yo
[15:49] <actionParsnip> with the new layout of Ubuntu is BUM still effective or is it now none effective?
[15:51] <smf> huh?
[15:51] <actionParsnip> does bum still work?
[15:52] <actionParsnip> !info bum
[15:54] <zonyl> actionParsnip: Just tried it and it appears sketchy.
[15:54] <smf> no idea
[15:55] <penguin42> I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't work for things that were now upstarted
[15:55] <zonyl> Almost 50% of the items in there are "?" status.
[15:55] <actionParsnip> thats why i asked, i know the startup process has been tweaked and wondered if bum was updated to reflect
[15:55] <joaopinto> the last time I have checked there was no gui upstart-aware
[15:56] <joaopinto> that as been a complain from some users
[15:58] <zonyl> Im still a little shakey when it comes time to modify things that boot and runlevels.   i used to have a pretty tricked out boot runlevels on my latop (fast boot, low power, full, etc)  I get a bit lost in the upstart / dbus world now.
[15:59] <faileas> upstart is easy once you get the hang of it
[16:06] <LADmaticCA> i've been getting random pidgin logouts. anyone else?
[16:06] <cjohnston> After installing the updates this morning, I am no longer able to login to my computer.. I get the login screen, select my user, type my password and then go to login.. then my screen goes blank, and i get back to the login window.. Any ideas?
[16:08] <LADmaticCA> cjohnston, I read something about that. Do you have plymouth installed?
[16:08] <cjohnston> LADmaticCA: probably..
[16:08] <cjohnston> is that the new version of the plymouth bug?
[16:08] <LADmaticCA> cjohnston, you may have to remove it. Seems a lot of login problems are plymouth related
[16:09] <cjohnston> ok..
[16:09] <cjohnston> ill give that a try.. bbiab
[16:15] <cjohnston> LADmaticCA: I removed the plymouth package and no luck.. is there anything else that needs to be removed with the plymouth package? I did see something about it complaining about not being able to start plymouth something while it was still booting
[16:16] <melodie_> !info hdmedia
[16:16] <melodie_> :p
[16:17] <melodie_> hi again all. anyone heard about some hdmedia images for Lucid ?
[16:17] <LADmaticCA> cjohnston, plymouth should have been enough. Hmm. Maybe I can find that thread with the similar issue
[16:17] <melodie_> I can't get the distro to boot in usb key thought it starts. Just hangs looking for his squashs file in the wrong place
[16:17] <mauri> i serachinf for a tool  for modify pdf document....im using pdfedit but it has same problems
[16:18] <melodie_> I've tried several ways to make a usb boot since a pair of days, only grub is ok for me, but there may be something missing in the initrd, or a cheatcode I don't know of ?
[16:18] <cjohnston> LADmaticCA: im looking around too.. thanks
[16:18] <melodie_> mauri, there is a plugin in Openoffice for that
[16:19] <mauri> melodie_: yes but it not working well
[16:19] <mauri> melodie_: tnk
[16:19] <melodie_> you must open the pdf file with draw module (you tried that ?)
[16:19] <mauri> melodie_: of course
[16:20] <LADmaticCA> cjohnston, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416744
[16:20] <melodie_> did you try pdfedit as well ?
[16:20] <LADmaticCA> cjohnston, no solutions though
[16:20] <cjohnston> ty LADmaticCA .. looking
[16:21] <melodie_> who here knows how to boot with usb key please ?
[16:21] <melodie_> what cheatcode is available ?
[16:21] <melodie_> mauri, ? pdfedit
[16:22] <mauri> melodie_: ok tnk
[16:22] <melodie_> welcome
[16:37] <melodie_> hi again... just incase, someone here has booted a lucid with a pendrive ?
[16:37] <melodie_> or flashdrive ?
[16:38] <wirechief> what are you using to make the pendrive melodiie
[16:39] <wirechief> what are you using to make the pendrive melodie_
[16:39] <wirechief> which release
[16:40] <melodie_> alpha3 wirechief (of 26th)
[16:40] <wirechief> ah, ok. you dont have anything earlier to make it with then i guess
[16:41] <melodie_> I did a try to boot it with qemu, grub starts ok then initrd but hangs at squashf : seeking for a cdrom drive. :/
[16:41] <melodie_> no earlier version : why that ?
[16:41] <wirechief> whats it doing dropping you into initramfs ?
[16:42] <melodie_> seek for /dev/sr0 drops me to initramfs
[16:42] <wirechief> ok. jeeze they keep letting that bug back in with each release.
[16:42] <melodie_> I tried to pass a cheatcode such as "fromusb" but no more result
[16:43] <melodie_> that's a known bug ? :o
[16:43] <wirechief> well, since about 9.04 the early adopters have had issue with making a usb stick then right about the final it is magically fixed
[16:44] <wirechief> i have heard people suggest using unetbooten but i dont know, i might try it myself although i have 10.4 installed.
[16:45] <cjohnston> LADmaticCA: there is also an error with ureadahead when booting.. would that cause the issue?
[16:45] <melodie_> I will not do tests by burning cd's : no way ! not ecological and costs money. as long as it's not possible to boot from a usb key I'll continue testing very lightly (not deeply as in a hdd install would allow) in Virtualbox
[16:46] <wirechief> melodie unetbooten is used to create usb sticks
[16:46] <melodie_> wirechief, do you know where the bug is reported ? any way to get the link here from the bot ?
[16:46] <melodie_> wirechief, I tried it once and it created weird entries in my menu.lst and spread dozens of unwanted files under / : so never again !   :|
[16:46] <wirechief> not sure now,, i was reporting my issues when 9.04 and 9.10 came around but you might try googleing.
[16:47] <wirechief> what did you try once ?
[16:47] <melodie_> well no... I won't take time now
[16:47] <melodie_> unetbootin
[16:47] <wirechief> ok.
[16:47] <melodie_> many people report it works fine but I had a bad experience with it
[16:47] <melodie_> else, I despise grub 2.
[16:48] <wirechief> well look for a bug report with google if not then maybe file one yourself so others will see and perhaps they will address it
[16:48] <melodie_> I don't like this tool very complicated to deal with and it doesn't offer a nice look
[16:48] <melodie_> wirechief, maybe later, if I find courage for this. (and ideas to make a good one, so that it be most useful)
[16:49] <wirechief> ubuntu-bug usb-creator unless they decided to call it something else
[16:49] <melodie_> grub 2 : I mostly multiboot, and having a white on black start doesn't please me very much, particularly when bringing a machine with Ubuntu for someone else. So I installed the old grub
[16:50] <melodie_> ubuntu-bug usb-creator ?
[16:50] <wirechief> well grub 2 is going to be with us for a long time im afraid.
[16:50] <melodie_> I installed the legacy from the other distro... and suppressed grub 2
[16:50] <wirechief> i use a debian lenny for my main distro but test ubuntu and my developer chose to use it so i know its long term
[16:51] <melodie_> when we will have a handy full featured tool to tweak it it will be ok.
[16:51] <melodie_> the actual tool that's used for that is not full featured as the website states
[16:51] <melodie_> startupmanager ?
[16:52] <wirechief> i dont know i suspect this removal of hal might have something to do with the usb-creator not working yet, time will tell, i am sure they will have it ready for the final .
[16:52] <melodie_> usb-creator doesn't work in Archlinux either I didn't use this method at last
[16:52] <melodie_> what I did:
[16:52] <melodie_> a small partition for grub
[16:53] <melodie_> installed grub on the mbr of the usb key
[16:53] <melodie_> created an extended partition just after
[16:53] <melodie_> inside one partition for Ubuntu (on fat32)
[16:53] <melodie_> copied all the necessary files from within the iso with mc
[16:53] <melodie_> created a small menu.lst
[16:54] <melodie_> well I don't have a device.map : does that bother ?
[16:54] <penguin42> melodie_: On System->Administruction menu is a 'startup disk creator' why not use that?
[16:54] <melodie_> penguin42, I don't have Ubuntu installed in my machines
[16:55] <penguin42> ah
[16:55] <melodie_> I thought I would install it from a usb key
[16:55] <melodie_> :)
[16:55] <wirechief> melodie_:  they made those usb-creators for ubuntu use only, the config file is different for ubuntu
[16:55] <wirechief> my developer tried to make a script that would do the trick but it never worked for me
[16:55] <melodie_> wirechief, it's packaged for Archlinux : in order to create a Ubuntu usb with a ubuntu iso and a usb key
[16:56] <melodie_> from any distro you could do it, if it worked
[16:56] <wirechief> only when i used ubuntu's menu as penguin42 said did it work
[16:56] <melodie_> your developer may want to look at the script that is started with this menu ?
[16:57] <melodie_> you'll find the desktop file under /usr/share/applications then you can know what is the binary or the script that it starts and from there what package it belongs to
[16:57] <wirechief> i am sure he has, i havent tried anything other than just use ubuntu to make the sticks and then they worked except as i mentioned with the early releases they were missing things.
[16:58] <melodie_> wirechief, you know that to start from an iso image what is necessary is the 2 hdmedia meant for : vmlinuz and initrd : you are ok with that ?
[16:59] <wirechief> my problem is i have about 15 sticks and i dont want to mess any of them up, (needs more sticks)     .....yes im am but there is something with the config file telling where to look for things that you need.
[16:59] <melodie_> yes but I'm not keen enough to modify an initrd
[16:59] <wirechief> that info is on the pendrive webpage.
[17:00] <melodie_> pendrivelinux ?
[17:00] <wirechief> that might be the name, they started the whole idea of doing it and give lots of pointers if it doesnt work and that was one, the config file issue.
[17:02] <melodie_> http://www.pendrivelinux.com
[17:03] <wirechief> for me it doesnt make sense to make usb sticks from the current distro, a way should be left for an older release to make them too, so users can use usb sticks to boot and install the new version, but i havent tested 9.10 with 10.4 iso yet, maybe it works
[17:04] <wirechief> melodie_: that looks like the web site.
[17:06] <wirechief> melodie_: note all the different distros, each having their own way to use the files on the stick, thats what im talking about.
[17:06] <melodie_> wirechief, yes
[17:06] <melodie_> it depends on how the initrd is constructed
[17:06] <wirechief> its really silly they didnt come out with a standard way to do it and have everyone conform to that.
[17:07] <melodie_> :p
[17:07] <melodie_> +1
[17:07] <wirechief> someone here in ubuntu was working to make that possible not sure if he was successfull.
[17:07] <melodie_> ok thanks wirechief ! I have to go now. see you !
[17:07] <wirechief> k
[17:07] <melodie_> :)
[17:07] <wirechief> have fun good luck with your usb sticks
[17:07] <melodie_> sure, thanks
[17:40]  * PascalFr_parti est parti: Parti pour l'instant.
[17:51] <duffydack> its asking for my password to unlock keyring everytime i bootup and wireless tries to connect...i could set a blank password in karmic, its not asking me in lucid, how can i turn if off, its a nag
[17:52] <joaopinto> duffydack, it will not ask you for the password if you set it the same as your login
[17:52] <duffydack> joaopinto, its not asking me to set one, its asking for it..
[17:53] <duffydack> which is my login (im autologging in)
[17:55] <ikt> duffydack: this isn't gonna help but wicd fixes that issue >.>
[17:55] <ikt> honestly should probably report a bug though
[17:55] <ikt> something wrong with network manager to be this annoying
[17:57] <duffydack> its ok, i deleted somethnig from passwords and encryption keys app..
[18:02] <ikt> where?
[18:02] <ikt> duffydack: which part? and does it remove network manager from asking for a password every login?
[18:03] <duffydack> ikt, in accessories, the password/encyption key app..  just deleted some key related to network manager, it stopped asking now
[18:03] <duffydack> cool, vlc is newer than the ppa...
[18:04] <ikt> that might help me
[18:04] <ikt> my main issue is that on boot network manager lists my wireless as disabled
[18:04] <mdlueck> Well I tested Dual Boot with Alpha 3 and WinXP Pro, booting XP is killed now as well. (head shaking)
[18:04] <ikt> so I have to manually enable it :/
[18:06] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, if you turn auto-login OFF it won't ask you for the network password
[18:07] <duffydack> ZykoticK9, its ok, i can have both now :)
[18:08] <duffydack> i must say, bootup is bloooody fast
[18:08] <mdlueck> Anyone know off hand of bugid's tracking dual boot issues with Lucid?
[18:09] <ikt> oh yeah it's fast
[18:09] <ikt> if plymouth would stop crashing on me it's usually <15 seconds from power on
[18:10] <duffydack> gonna try wireless again,brb
[18:25] <Drakeson> which packages provides a sound volume manager/mixer in the indicator applet now?
[18:26] <Drakeson> It has disappeared for a while
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> Drakeson, "indicator-sound"
[18:29] <Drakeson> thanks. how do I restart the indicator applet?
[18:29] <Drakeson> kill -HUP ?
[18:29] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, I'm trying to get Java working for Firefox, but it seems that I have three JREs installed? How do I select just one and let firefox use it? List of installed jre's: http://pastebin.org/99006
[18:29] <ethana2> so I've got lucid running on this somewhat old machine..  it has a 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE gpu and I'm trying to get compiz running
[18:32] <om26er> Drakeson: sudo pkill indicator and then reload both applets. I do this and works for me but (works for me;))
[18:35] <yofel> KnifeySpooney: for java in firefox you need icedtea6-plugin
[18:35] <yofel> meh, he's gone -.-
[18:38] <crdlb> ethana2: that's a bit low for compiz
[18:39] <ethana2> crdlb: I know it's pushing it pretty close
[18:39] <ethana2> but my other desktop had this gpu I think and it could barely manage
[18:40] <ethana2> I just have to have scale
[18:40] <ethana2> and gnome-do docky
[18:41] <crdlb> well, what's not working?
[18:42] <ethana2> crdlb: it won't replace gnome's wm.. it just doesn't run
[18:42] <ethana2> i'll get a terminal log to see better what happens here...
[18:43] <ethana2> blacklisted PCI ID, I just checked that list...
[18:43] <ethana2> well, plenty of other 8086:
[18:44] <ethana2> I told compiz to ignore the blacklist, should I reboot to put that in effect?
[18:44] <crdlb> not necessary
[18:44] <ethana2> brb
[18:44] <ethana2> oh
[18:44] <duffydack> odd.. with autogin on it booted but then i assume it was plymouth crashing as it displayed blank screen, i then press a key and it brings up login menu..i have to login... tried autologin off but wouldnt fix it, then deleted everything in my keyring to start from scratch, and it boots ok but with autologin off..i dont wanna turn it on again and go thru it all again
[18:44] <ethana2> crdlb: but it only takes 25 seconds and I don't have to learn anythingn
[18:44] <crdlb> just log out if you really don't want to run anything manually
[18:45] <crdlb> ...
[18:45] <kklimonda> duffydack: that sounds like yet another plymouth issue
[18:47] <duffydack> this was all to get it to stop asking for password to unlock keyring, which is irrelevant now i login normally..
[18:51] <wirechief> why does lucid ask for a userid password for a liveusb session ?
[18:52] <wirechief> if that is normal what is the right response. ubuntu passwd  ??
[18:54] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, Ubuntu = user, no password
[18:54] <wirechief> i played along with it and finally got a new userid (wirechief) but am not able to do anything as im not in this sudoers file
[18:55] <wirechief> ZykoticK9: ok i will try that.
[18:56] <wirechief> wow that worked, crazy man, lots of OP changes in this release
[18:57] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, i actually saw the same thing 2 nights ago on a 9.04 Mythbuntu live cd
[18:57] <wirechief> interesting.
[18:57] <duffydack> btw, what is netbook 2d...im using netbook at the mo
[18:58] <wirechief> well now i will have to see if i can put in a passwd with sudo passwd
[18:59] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, you are using chroot first right?
[19:05] <beij2> hi
[19:06] <yofel> hi beij2
[19:07] <wirechief> ZykoticK9: no
[19:07] <wirechief> it worked though, im able now to do root activities but am now faced with resolving my problem with belkin wifi adapter
[19:08] <wirechief> i am able to use ndiswrapper but wanted to use the driver rtl8192.ko so i can get the internet instead of ndiswrapper but this is all new to me.
[19:09] <wirechief> i am using a live session so as not to mess up the install of alpha 3 and try to get the driver working for the adapter
[19:10] <wirechief> i tried to do modprobe -i rtl8192  but it gave module not found. (maybe i need rtl8192.ko)
[19:11] <wirechief> supposedly its already in lucid but since this is operation is new to me am gonna have to google punt i guess.
[19:12] <wirechief> maybe i should just cheat and use the cable and get a few tools first hehe.
[19:13] <yofel> wirechief: modprobe <modulename> will only work if the module is part of the kernel (or at least in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... afaik)
[19:13] <yofel> wirechief: if you have a .ko file use 'sudo insmod /path/to/module.ko'
[19:16] <wirechief> yofel thanks
[19:16] <wirechief> will try that last
[19:16] <yofel> wirechief: wait
[19:16] <wirechief> k
[19:17] <wirechief> i found the module i think in /libmodules/$(uname -r)
[19:17] <wirechief> oops
[19:17] <wirechief> i found the module i think in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[19:17] <yofel> there is a 'r8192_pci' and 'r8192s_usb'  module
[19:17] <wirechief> yes
[19:17] <wirechief> its usb i need
[19:19] <wirechief> hmm its saying it cant read it with insmod
[19:20] <yofel> wirechief: actually 'sudo modprobe r8192s_usb' *should* work
[19:21] <wirechief> ok will try that again.
[19:24] <wirechief> boy that is strange, i used locate to find it and cp paste the location so i had the right snytax to it, but modprobe says it cant find it.
[19:25] <wirechief> i was sure hopeing to use a real driver instead of ndiswrapper
[19:28] <wirechief> thanks yofel i think that modprobe should of worked too. maybe google will have more information.
[19:30] <yofel> wirechief: huh? It works fine here...
[19:30] <wirechief> k
[19:31] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, are you still running from the LiveCD?
[19:31] <wirechief> well i think maybe my problem is that i would of needed to reboot to get this firmware recognized.
[19:32] <wirechief> yes i was trying to see if i could make it work with a driver and not ndiswrapper but i forgot i need to reboot after i compiled the firmware and driver in the folder im using.
[19:33] <wirechief> probably not do able while live, would have to use the install and that means mucking around removing ndiswrapper and then modprobing the driver..
[19:33] <wirechief> yofel you have a wifi adapter 8192 ?
[19:34] <duffydack> using netbook remix, ubuntuone in karmic has an icon to show when its updating etc, there isnt one in lucid
[19:34] <yofel> wirechief: no
[19:34] <wirechief> ah ok as you mentioned it worked fine there, but you are using a different module , ok.
[19:35] <yofel> wirechief: I just tested if the module loads, as I don't have that chip there's no effect though
[19:35] <wirechief> right
[19:35] <SoftwareExplorer> Is there an easy way, when running a daily image, to find out what the installation media is? (So that you know what date it is from)
[19:39] <ZykoticK9> SoftwareExplorer, if you burned the disk the same day you downloaded it - you can just check the date on the file on the CD
[19:39] <wirechief> SofwareExplorer maybe you could see the creation dates with ls -lc
[19:41] <SoftwareExplorer> I guess I could do that, but it might be a few days off. It would be nice to find out exactly. I know apport does it because it Says something like 'Installation media: Daily live (20100228)' when you file a bug.
[19:48] <SoftwareExplorer> wirechief: I think I might get what you are saying now: the files inside the iso might still keep their creation date. However, I'm using a usb stick, so I think it would change whenever the image is put on the stick
[19:51] <SoftwareExplorer> I'm going to restart so I can do some bug testing. Bye and thanks for the help.
[19:51] <wirechief> SoftwareExplorer: yes.. i went looking for the string Daily live, havent found it.
[19:54] <SoftwareExplorer> wirechief: Here's an example copied and pasted from a bug report (if that helps): InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx" - Alpha amd64 (20100224.1)
[19:54] <wirechief> ZykoticK9: well at least this usbstick seems to work, i had to make sure i enabled nomodset and noapic before booting up though, i created the stick using the installed 10.4 alpha 3
[19:54] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, nice :)
[19:56] <wirechief> it has updated files from todays daily, making the usb stick more up to date than the install. i dont plan on updateing the install until the next release, i can keep testing things with updated zsync file and maybe learn how to get that wifi adapters driver working thats on my list of things to accomplish.
[19:58] <beij2> does anyone which version of mplayer will ne in lynx?
[19:58] <beij2> maxbe i will give it a trie
[19:58] <beij2> *try
[19:58] <ZykoticK9> !info mplayer
[20:01] <wirechief> i wonder, the installer says that HAL/rtl8192 is needed, i think lucid removed HAL ZykoticK9
[20:01] <ZykoticK9> wirechief, Lucid did remove HAL yes, so if the driver relies on it, it might not work
[20:01] <wirechief> hmm
[20:02] <wirechief> until the driver gets updated so it works in lucid.
[20:04] <beij2> oo cool that works
[20:04] <yofel> hal wasn't exaclty removed, but it's not installed by default now and it doesn't get started on boot but by dbus as far as I know
[20:04] <wirechief> ok
[20:04] <beij2> MPlayer SVN-r30501-4.4.2 (C) 2000-2010 MPlayer Team
[20:05] <beij2> damn is that old ^_^
[20:06] <wirechief> yofel i just dont know why it cant find that driver but it might need a reboot, but wait, is the driver actually in lucid ?  maybe a reboot wouldnt be necessary and i have some other problem.
[20:06] <yofel> wirechief: well, it's part of the 2.6.32-14 kernel so yes it's in lucid, but I have no idea why it doesn't work
[20:07] <wirechief> ok
[20:07] <ZykoticK9> yofel, from the Alpha 3 release notes "Lucid Alpha 3 sports full removal of the hal package, making Ubuntu faster to boot and faster to resume from suspend."
[20:08] <yofel> ZykoticK9: yes, it's not installed by default, but the package cannot be removed as kde and a few other things still need it
[20:09] <ZykoticK9> yofel, interesting, so you could actually add it back in?  Or what you're suggesting, it should still be there if you're running Kubuntu then.  Mmmm.
[20:09] <yofel> !find r8192s_usb.ko | wirechief by the way
[20:10] <yofel> ZykoticK9: as I use kubuntu I do have hal installed here
[20:16] <mdlueck> Tap tap... Add Lucid Alpha 3 to an existing working copy of XP, and now XP fails to boot. Worked with Alpha 2. So which package should I open a report under, grub2, or... ???
[20:18] <penguin42> mdlueck: I'd do it under ubiquity that's the installer
[20:18] <mdlueck> penguin42: Thanks!
[20:21] <wirechief> yofel ok will try that
[20:26] <wirechief> yofel im not getting anywhere with the liveusb, gonna reboot into the install and see if i can modprobe it in it.
[20:28] <BUGabundo> evening friends
[20:30] <wirechief> hi BUGabundo
[20:30] <BUGabundo> hey wirechief
[20:31] <wirechief> i finally decided lucid has matured enough to give it a try, lots of changes from karmic
[20:33] <hype> héhé ok i'm not the only one willing to try Lucid for real :)
[20:35] <mdlueck> penguin42: How can I add ubuquity as a package to another dual-boot problem #?
[20:36] <kklimonda> click on also affects distribution
[20:37] <mdlueck> OK, screens just looked weird down that path, so I was not sure such was the way to actually do it... I will try it...
[20:38] <mdlueck> Aaahh, my bad, I was trying to add a project, not a distribution
[20:42] <_Groo_> can anyone tell me if sun-java6 was pulled out of lucid?
[20:44] <mdlueck> _Groo_: Sure hope not, firing up a copy to verify now...
[20:44] <_Groo_> aparently it was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8830810
[20:46] <mdlueck> _Groo_: No, I do not see it... will see your link next...
[20:47] <_Groo_> mdlueck: mdeslaur told me it was moved to the partner repo
[20:48] <ChogyDan> _Groo_: does openjdk work?
[20:48] <mdlueck> Things like Adobe Flash have switched repos over time
[20:48] <mdlueck> See if I can find the magic repo...
[20:49] <_Groo_> ChogyDan: probably, but its good to have the oficial, some stupid propiretaries only work with him
[20:51] <mdlueck> Yuck!!! openjdk-6-jre comes included in Lucid
[20:52] <mdlueck> Perhaps Ubuntu is reacting to Oracle already...
[20:53] <TLF> hello
[20:54] <TLF> I've upgraded from karmic to lynx alpha 3, and I can't get X start automatically. When looking in the log file, it says it cannot find corepointer (mouse and keyboard), but when doing manually service gdm start, it starts without problems, what can I do?
[20:56] <wirechief> TLF i had issues with getting to the desktop and had to use  nomodeset on boot screen with f6, not sure if that will help
[20:57] <wirechief> oops your already updated maybe you need to use the cheat nomodset on boot screen using e to edit the string and add it.
[20:58] <TLF> mmm
[20:58] <hype> TLF what graphic card?
[20:58] <TLF> I think the point here is that X should start after some another program
[20:58] <TLF> hype: nvidia
[20:58] <wirechief> again not sure that kms or whatever is doing you in but thats worth a try.
[20:59] <wirechief> it doesnt change anything, just for the session that you boot but then youll know.
[20:59] <hype> i saw on forums there were issue with plymouth crashing X, may be related
[20:59] <wirechief> yes that may be it too.
[21:00] <hype> i was just checking irc/forum i just created a Lucid live-usb disc from git :p
[21:01] <wirechief> yea, i did one this am.
[21:01] <wirechief> not sure why but i cant modprobe the driver for my wireless, unless your not suppose to be able to do that with a live connection
[21:02] <wirechief> maybe something with the filesystem.
[21:29] <TLF> plymouth replaces usplash??
[21:29] <jpds> TLF: Yes.
[21:29] <TLF> so I shall install it
[21:29] <TLF> thanks
[21:31] <arand> are there any changes proposed for the login sound-config in lucid, no mention of python-gdm2setup possibly im main?
[21:32] <crimsun> you should ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[21:32] <arand> Ah, true that.
[22:17] <ChogyDan> anyone one know about dealing with patches?  I'm looking for a way to modify a patch for an updated source, and I'm hoping for something other than just manually
[22:20] <_Groo_> someone needs to update lucid with icedtea 1.7.1... works with chromium/pulse and a lot more
[22:23] <Anzenketh> ChogyDan: Do you have a patch written?
[22:24] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: yes, and it is failing.
[22:25] <Anzenketh> What do you mean by it is failing?
[22:26] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: the source has been changed from the source that the patch was written for.  I want to see the issues, but I haven't been getting great feedback from 'patch'
[22:27]  * Anzenketh still confused on exactly what you are asking.
[22:27] <ChogyDan> I have a patch against the ubuntu kernel packaging.  It edits several files.
[22:28] <ChogyDan> each update, the ubuntu devs seem to be making changes to the packaging, and I am trying to update the patch along with that
[22:29] <crimsun> ChogyDan: you really should be maintaining it in git (as the kernel does).
[22:29] <ChogyDan> so far, the changes have been simple yet maddening to find, like adding an architecture to the support builds list, whatever that is.  I just tracked it down manually last time, Im looking for a more expedited method.
[22:30] <ChogyDan> hmm
[22:31] <Anzenketh> ChogyDan: Do you have a bug report in launchpad?
[22:32] <ChogyDan> bug 424927
[22:35] <Anzenketh> ChogyDan: Have you checked upstream to see if there was discussion on this?
[22:36] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: well, Ive just been working off of Darxus's work, so no
[22:36] <ChogyDan> wait, which upstream?  linux?
[22:37] <Anzenketh> Might want to check http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ to check if there was discussion on this.
[22:37] <Anzenketh> Sounds like you are wanting to make changes to the kernal.
[22:37] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: oh, yeah, I'm "aware" of the discussion/flamewar
[22:38] <Anzenketh> Ya it sounds like it would be a really hot topic.
[22:38] <Anzenketh> Do you know the bug report upstream for this?
[22:39] <Anzenketh> If so It should really be attached to your bug.
[22:41] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: the BFS dev and upstream devs don't get along.  It has been a hot topic
[22:42] <Anzenketh> Do you have the bug report number upstream?
[22:42] <ChogyDan> I forget which webpage I first read about it
[22:43] <Anzenketh> If you could find that and attach the upstream to your bug report it would greatly improve your bug report.
[22:43] <ChogyDan> Anzenketh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler   the wiki has several good link
[22:44] <ChogyDan> for now, I will contemplate using git, but since Darxus nor ck are using it, I'm unsure
[22:44] <Anzenketh> ChogyDan: All I can say is good luck
[22:44] <Anzenketh> If it is a hot topic it may never be implemented.
[22:54] <coz_> ok guys just to warn you...the
[22:54] <coz_> there is a bug in gedit
[22:55] <coz_> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=611350
[22:57] <coz_> now I have to figure out the grub2 bug :)
[22:57] <BUGabundo> coz_: LOL
[22:57] <BUGabundo> are YOU JOKING?
[22:57] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no no joke   couldnt figure out why it removed chunks of the xml file when editing
[22:57] <BUGabundo> damn
[22:57] <BUGabundo> glad I don't much XML
[22:58] <BUGabundo> thanks for the heads up
[23:02] <arand> coz_: grub2, what about it?
[23:03] <coz_> arand,  so far ...i am guessing with recent updates...grub2 menu   comes up...I can boot into ubuntu..however if i try booting into xp  I get Grub  GEOM error...the disk is working and accessible via linux though
[23:03] <coz_> arand,  nothing on the system has changed since yesterday
[23:03] <coz_> other than updates
[23:04] <coz_> 2 scsi drives  both with their own OS on it
[23:05] <coz_> arand,  and the six possible causes  listed here    http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:The_Boot_Process_Hangs_with_the_Message_GRUB_Geom_Error  dont apply
[23:06] <coz_> arand,  but I am still hunting down the cause :)
[23:08] <arand> coz_: Yea, confuses me as well, if wanting to find the cause, maybe make a copy of all grub files, including BRs  (dd bs=4096), and the reinstall, if it does work, diff-it.
[23:09] <coz_> arand,  that sounds reasonable :)  I will try that...the confusing part is that the GEOM error generally produces grub2 freeze  as far as I have researched anyway
[23:13] <arand> coz_: hmmm, if grub is on the mbr, I think it might be even more than 4k... but I'm not sure...
[23:15] <coz_> arand,  no problem .. I w ill continue to hunt this down..if unsueccessful...I will keep copies of all grub files ...reinstall  and compare that way ...althought that isnt really going to tell me the actual problem
[23:18] <Volkodav> where is the config file for desktop settings ? I want to set the timing for image list on the desktop
[23:22] <yofel> Volkodav: what desktop environment?
[23:27] <Jordan_U> coz_, What problem are you having with grub?
[23:28] <Volkodav> yofel: xfce
[23:28] <Volkodav> There is the timing that eventually switches the images but I want to create a new list and set the timing for it
[23:31] <coz_> Jordan_U,  just getting  GEOM error when trying to boot into xp  which is on it's own scsi drive
[23:31] <coz_> Jordan_U,  a current problem just happening this morning
[23:44] <wirechief> coz_ check /var/log/dpkg.log maybe a clue of which package might have caused that.
[23:45] <coz_> wirechief,  ok will do thanks :)  still trying other things to hunt this down :)
[23:45] <wirechief> at the very least you might have a list of files installed and then maybe a process to eliminate
[23:45] <coz_> wirechief,  cool thanks
[23:45] <wirechief> sure.
[23:45] <wirechief> no-one wants this kind of problem.
[23:46] <wirechief> i just updated but had over 70mb of download.
[23:48] <coz_> wirechief,  yeah for sure.... I am sure nothing changed on this end and considering that GEOM error...as far as i know usually will result in grub freeze and that is not occurring here so the search continues :)
[23:49] <coz_> I am not seeing anything yet in the dpkg.log but still looking
[23:53] <wirechief_> coz_:  in /var/log  try  grep grub dpkg.log  , i have grub 1.98 but that was initial install.
[23:54] <coz_> interesting it says  1.97-beta4
[23:54] <coz_> mm
[23:54] <wirechief_> 2010-02-24 18:51:42 install grub-pc <none> 1.98~20100128-1ubuntu3
[23:55] <coz_> mmm
[23:55] <coz_> I will check again
[23:55] <coz_> wirechief,  thanks
[23:55] <coz_> indeed it is  1.98
[23:55] <coz_> thanks again guys..I will take it from here :)
[23:55] <wirechief_> gl coz_