[00:01] anyone having problems with google maps today not letting you click the buttons? I'm not sure if it's g.maps or todays chromium [00:01] folks, I need help with grub bootloader [00:02] somebody understands it good/ [00:02] ? [00:03] MaximLevitsky: First: State the problem ;) [00:03] arand: very big one [00:03] arand: I have a 8.10 installation [00:04] and I converted it to ext4 [00:04] brave [00:04] penguin42: why? [00:04] penguin42: the kernel is 2.6.33 anyway [00:04] ok, so you have 8.10 but with a special kernel - carry on [00:05] penguin42: the point is that I always reinstall grub using chroot [00:05] penguin42: but this time grub just didn't want to work [00:05] penguin42: I tried to install grub2 in the chroot [00:06] penguin42: this gives me stupid 'Welcome to GRUB' on boot [00:06] penguin42: probably grub2 wan't mature in 8.20 [00:06] 8.10 [00:06] MaximLevitsky: Can you just explain your chroot setup a minute - is the 8.10 the outer or the inner? [00:06] penguin42: 8.10 is inside chroot [00:07] 10.4 is outside [00:07] ok, so why are you installing the grub from the chroot? [00:08] penguin42: because I don't know how to install it from outside yet [00:08] penguin42: this thing pokes many configuration files [00:09] * penguin42 is even more confused - where is the 10.4 installed? [00:09] penguin42: on the live disk (usb) [00:09] ahha! [00:10] ok, so next question - why are you trying to install grub2 on your 8.10 install? [00:10] MaximLevitsky: you should be able to install with just the root mounted like so "grub-install --root-directory=/media/tmp /dev/sdaXY" [00:10] * MaximLevitsky is already trying to do so... [00:10] MaximLevitsky: but yea, penguin42 has a very good point [00:12] arand: yesssssssssssss!!! [00:12] arand: --root-directory= did the trick [00:12] MaximLevitsky: If you want to use grub2 in 8.10, you'd have to install it as packages as well to be able to update it without grabbing for a liveCD each time.. [00:13] arand: I did [00:13] I don't know the state of the grub2 packages in 8.10 [00:13] arand: I don't think I will ever need to reinstall grub2 [00:13] arand: when I have more free time I just update this system to 9.10 [00:17] MaximLevitsky: but the problem is that I don't know if you have a good update-grub for 8.10, meaning it'll be tricky to update the grub.cfg with new kernels, boot options, etc.. [00:18] arand: this is good question, but the grub.cfg I used now it generated by 8.10 update-grub [00:18] arand: But he's running his own kernel anyway [00:19] penguin42: yeah, now I find out I forgot to compile in ext4.... :-) [00:19] ah that's always embarrassing [00:20] penguin42: but not a big deal [00:21] penguin42: it was compiled in, but not in initrd [00:21] penguin42: this is as a module [00:22] penguin42: that I know how to handle [00:23] MaximLevitsky: With 10.4 the kernels I build just don't want to boot - they hang at mountall, I've not figured out what it wants yet - they worked for the earliest bits of Lucids alpha cycle but stopped a month or so ago [00:23] penguin42: the mountall the the devil [00:24] penguin42: in fact I feel that there is more regress that progress [00:24] yeh [00:25] penguin42: the gnome-disk-utility [00:25] penguin42: gparted is much much much better [00:25] I just don't get how the graphical ones haven't picked up lvm and the like yet [00:26] the empathy that is junk compared to pidgin [00:26] but it got luxury integration with gnome panel now, and piding one is broken [00:27] MaximLevitsky: Old News... :) [00:27] pulseaudio that does work now, but still can't be disabled temporary properly [00:28] for skype... [00:28] which PA support is just broken... [00:28] that's no fault of PA. You've always been able to use pasuspender -- [00:28] crimsun: now skype detects PA, and refuses to work with alsa [00:29] crimsun: I think I've got a bug somewhere that it's not freeing up the mixer devices with pasuspender [00:29] crimsun: but yeah this isn't pulseaudio fault [00:29] penguin42: bug report with strace and ltrace, please. [00:29] * penguin42 thought he already had one [00:29] crimsun: but the fact that PA keeps respawning if I kill it is very bad [00:30] crimsun: only way to get it out is to rename the binary [00:30] MaximLevitsky: autospawn is easily disabled. See /etc/default/pulseaudio [00:30] renaming the binary O_O [00:30] eheh [00:30] crazy ppl [00:30] if you'd like the hints/instructions to be clearer, I happily review patches. [00:30] crimsun: I tried that once [00:32] crimsun: #404907 but I haven't checked it recently [00:32] yeh still does it [00:33] that shouldn't be a kitten-killer, however [00:33] agreed [00:33] it doesn't lock the actual controls [00:35] the logic behind it is that upon resuming, the control nodes are checked to see if it's ok to call into alsa-lib to reopen the hw device [00:35] if the control nodes are locked, PA switches to the always sink, which is currently the null/dummy sink === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [00:38] crimsun: Does it need to hold them open while suspended though? [00:39] penguin42: it's done for efficiency [00:39] penguin42: otherwise there's yet another race [00:39] sorry, that was poorly phrased [00:40] it's done for correctness and efficiency [00:40] again, it doesn't prevent the controller and codec from powering down [00:40] true - does it prevent other things opening the control channel? [00:40] no [00:41] anyone using latest pidgin ? [00:41] I can't send messages if they have a big URL pasted ! [00:41] crimsun: OK [00:45] 10.04 alpha3, installer fails miserably before partitioning, is it only me or a known bug? [00:46] (kubuntu version) [00:48] What is the package that I need install/uninstall to enable ctrl-alt-backspace? [00:48] ubottu: dontzap | quidnunc [00:48] quidnunc: To re-enable the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace combination that restarts your X server see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/DontZap [00:48] rww: Thanks [00:49] quidnunc: But alt+sysreq+k should be equivalent. [00:51] arand: Is that really the case? [00:51] penguin42: afaik. [00:52] hmm I guess it is only the X server on that vt [00:53] Not exatcly the same per se, but unless there's a bug the effect should be identical.. [00:53] markit i just installed a0.4 alpha3 ubuntu its installer worked fine but i dont have windows on that HD [00:54] wirechief: me neither, is a empty (not even partitioned) hd [00:54] I've also partitioned it, but same story [00:55] markit the only issue i had was the ipv6 , i had to disable it, otherwise it took 4 minutes to reach desktop [00:55] it asks me if has to use the entire hd or I wish to do a manual partition, then "disappears" [00:55] wow, nope i didnt experience that. did you do a media check for integrity ? [00:56] wirechief: do you mean iso or hd? (did neither, but installed 9.10 without problems on that hd) [00:56] let me check checksum of the iso, or try media integrity inside kvm vm [00:56] well both, the .iso and the media (using the grub menu for media) [00:57] btw, I have to add that I've created a bootable USB pen, since I'm installing in a "thin client" like pc [00:58] http://www.yashiweb.com/it/configuratore/8233/ [00:58] all the more reason to verify, dropping bits can cause untold headaches now or even later. [01:00] markit i have a acer aspire one, works well with remix and other distros. [01:03] wirechief: mmm can't check usb integrity though [01:04] unetbootin prepares the usb as a bootable HD [01:05] right usb media doesnt lend itself well to md5sum checking [01:06] but booting it up and checking with grub menu selection should be ok. [01:06] iso md5sum is ok, and in fact usb booted fine ad was running fine [01:06] just hte installer, but I think your (ubuntu?) is different from kubuntu [01:07] ok well then, perhaps just a wierd occurance, might want to check dmesg and /var/log/messages to see if there are any issues [01:07] before trying again. [01:08] markit yes the ubuntu installer might well be different but very close to the same, these installers have been working well for me over last 4 or t5 releases [01:08] good ideas. I've installed 9.10 now, and I'm too lazy to start again not being sure will work [01:08] even with kubuntu when i was using it. [01:08] I'd better wait for RC2 ;) [01:08] at least do dmesg it might show up something . [01:09] was curious about the "faster boot speed", but seemd not that fast from usb install cd [01:09] i wait till the next alpha before i update, i hate fighting miss steps of others. [01:09] markit it bootited very fast for me once i disabled ipv6 [01:09] in grub [01:10] wirechief, actually A3 is last alpha, next is Beta 1 :) [01:10] ok [01:10] wirechief: is it a bug, or a damn consequence of IPV6? [01:10] markit im not sure but my emachine doesnt do well with it both on karmic and lucid [01:11] sleep time, thanks a lot :) [01:11] k have fun [01:50] hi folks [01:50] can anyone help me install lucid from a usb key? i've been trying for a couple of weeks using the daily images (amd64) but both the live cd and the alternate cd fail to install [01:52] the live cd does not start (gets stuck in the logo screen and never does anything) and the alternate cd gives me a "can't mount cd" error (of course, i'm using a usb stick!) [01:52] fail where melissawm? [01:52] how are making the usb sticks? [01:52] usb-creator or unetbootn? [01:53] usb-creator [01:53] hi BUGabundo :) [01:53] old karmic, buggy verion? [01:53] i've just zsync'd the images so they're current [01:53] or a newer one? [01:54] you mean usb-creator version? i'm not sure, i'm using kubuntu karmic up to date [01:55] ah [01:55] there's your prob [01:56] either try unetbootin or netboot.me [01:56] really? how come? [01:59] Ive seen some alernatives to unetbootin. but they seem flakier in ways [02:00] Seen a few that work very well.. but have major 'other' issues :) [02:00] bko and netbootme are very nice [02:01] if you can spare the bw [02:01] time for bed [02:01] Ive never done a netboot one. [02:01] back tomorrow [02:01] not netboot, but netboot.me [02:01] != [02:01] ok creating the usb stick right now. wish me luck [02:02] boa noite, BUGabundo! [02:02] :P [02:02] I did find a multi-disrto script the other day that let you put ubuntu + about a dozen other disrtos on a single dvd. :) [02:02] Dr_Willis: that's cool! [02:03] ok folks, i'll be right back , let me just try to see if it worked. [02:09] i have a bug in gwibber, there seems to be a bug report for 9.04, should i create a new bug for the 10.4 version or post to the existing bug? [02:09] ok so that didn't work. same thing as before: when i get to "load installer components from the cd" it says it cannot read my cd rom. cd rom check tells me there's no cd in the drive. is this expected behaviour for a usb installation? that it tries to look for a cd? [02:13] hey, trying to install the latest beta, but I just get a blank screen [02:13] I tried a different older live cd, and it worked [02:14] I need to reinstall since I lost my hd... [02:14] blank screen where? just after grub? after a few seconds of booting? [02:15] i throw in the live cd, and I get a menu to pick to run the live, install, scan memory whatever [02:15] after I pick run the live session, [02:15] i just get blank [02:15] hey guys... when editing the libanimation.so and animation.xml for compiz's minimize animation...this seems to remove the plugins main animation plugin...the package can be reinstalled but I was hoping someone would take a look at the befor and after xml and the terminal errors ? [02:15] I get a blinking dash for a few seconds, than blank [02:15] and it never comes back [02:15] agoole: have you tried using the alternate cd? [02:16] by the way this only happens on lucid [02:16] melissawm: do I have to redownload the cd? or can I choose alternate install with the cd that I have ? [02:17] agoole, are you downloading from a linux install or windows install? [02:17] agoole what video card do you have? the boot system is now using plymoth for boot animations so perhaps your card is not supported [02:17] agoole: you have to download a different .iso, yeah... but i don't know if it would help you, it seems similar to what i'm experiencing except i'm trying to install from a usb stick. [02:17] I have to use a windows machine to burn the ISO [02:18] the computer I'm trying to install has a fresh hard drive, since it crashed 2 days ago [02:18] I lost everything [02:18] so its a fresh install [02:18] agoole, if you download another iso make sure you burn it at 1 x...much safer..aslo when booting from the live cd choose check cd for errors first [02:18] ok i'll go try with the alternate cd one more time, i'll come back and tell you if it worked. [02:18] agoole, you could test the cd you have now for errors as well [02:19] sorry thought I was in #ubuntu [02:19] coz_: I can't see that....it starts to check, than goes blank, like all the other options [02:19] agoole, mmm [02:19] try using a terminal when the screen goes black ? [02:19] agoole, ok I would download another iso and burn it at 1 x also when choosing a server make sure the download will only take about 35 minutes [02:20] euh ok, I'll go try another alternate iso I guess [02:20] agoole most likely your install was trying to write to the mbr but failed and possible something did or didn't write correctly. [02:20] i would go through it again and delete any/all partitions that may appear [02:20] will an alternate install cd fix that ? [02:20] there are no partitions, its a fresh hard drive [02:20] not even formatted [02:20] ever [02:21] if worst comes to worse, might need to try lilo and reinstall using grub [02:21] agoole [02:21] agoole, well generally the alternate cd is for systems that have less than 256 megs of system memory [02:21] hum.... [02:21] ah unless you let ubuntu take over, most likely didn't install any mbr [02:21] agoole, can you use ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a terminal? as wirechief asked? [02:21] agoole, what you could do when using the live cd is use the Install option instead of booting to desktop [02:21] can't install linux/ubuntu without the correct swaps/filesystem(s) [02:21] agoole, I believe that is the third option on the list [02:22] the 3rd option goes blank also, and doesn't let me see or do anything [02:22] ZykoticK9: going to check now [02:22] agoole, what system do you have ... I mean hardware [02:22] an old dell 4600 [02:22] agoogle try a terminal and see if you can get something going.. [02:22] agoole start the disc over and run on the desktop and a file partitioner/viewer should be available [02:22] agoole, ok letme check thathold on [02:22] hello, is there any known bug with /etc/network/interfaces [02:23] Jeffx depends on your nic ;] [02:23] they both work ... [02:23] agoole, does this have integrated video or a video card? [02:23] when I set them manually [02:23] coz_: video card [02:23] Jeffx im assuming one wlan other lan? [02:23] but I have to set eth1 everytime before starting firestarter and the dhcp [02:23] agoole, do you know the exact video card [02:23] coz_: its an old 8x [02:23] both lan [02:24] coz_: I think its also got an intergrated video as well [02:24] are you trying to run a fileserver or something or you can't get them to load automatically and connect via dhcp and grab details? [02:24] agoole, ok first thing to check is in the bios...there should be a setting for card or onboard video...disable one or the other === pascalFR is now known as Parti [02:25] also make sure AwareOS is off in bios, think thats what its called [02:25] I have a home/web server that share the internet and files to the local network [02:25] or OS/2 [02:25] Jeffx and no one can tunnel in or just won't establish a connection on its own? [02:26] ??? [02:26] coz_: uh oh, [02:26] agoole, whats the problem? [02:26] for instance, i want to get Document1.pdf off of 192.168.0.12 and won't connect but it's online but can't get the file? [02:26] coz_: now its stuck, saying diskette drive error, [02:26] wait [02:26] just unjammed [02:26] agoole hopefully you have cdrom firt boot option and any usb boot off. [02:27] agoole, what this sounds like is a hardware issue... but check the bios for video options [02:28] coz_: yeah, my hard drive just died, [02:28] coz_: so now all the drivers for the system are out of wack [02:28] agoole, ooo do you have a spare ? [02:28] agoole eide or sata/ata? [02:28] ied [02:29] ide [02:29] at boot the network card doesnt appear in ifconfig until I do it manually, sudo ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1, only then can I start firestarter to enable net sharing and dhcp.... [02:29] make sure you have the right jumpers set correctly [02:29] any ideas ? [02:29] agoole, what this working at any time in the recent past? [02:29] agoole, ok here [02:29] make it set to auto if you can or set it to master and make sure master is plugged in or master slave [02:30] flyman: jumpers are set to cable detect [02:30] jeffx what is in your /etc/network/interfaces file [02:30] agoole does your bios detect your drive? [02:30] flyman: yes,but just calles it unknown hardware [02:30] also how big is the hard drive and how old is your motherboard? cause old motherboard with no support for large drives wont work (or room for expansion). [02:31] flyman: its a 320gig, [02:31] it should be ok [02:31] ok. so the alternate cd gives me an error after partitioning and installing the base system. it says "an installation step failed" [02:31] agoole does your comp/mobo support expansion for that big of a drive (assuming its older)? [02:31] (the alternate image, in a usb stick) [02:31] yeah should be ok for support [02:31] uh oh [02:31] i ran the IDE drive configurator [02:32] flyman, I believe that model of dell comes with that size hardrive when purchased:) [02:32] and it says no hard drive installed [02:32] coz_ ok good deal [02:32] agoole, you say this hard drive crashed with windows? [02:32] agoole try diffrent cord or before that try re-setting jumper to master [02:32] agoole, do you have another hard drive laying around? [02:32] previous hard drive crashed while running kubuntu koala, [02:32] 2 days ago, and lost everything [02:32] so I went out and bought this new one [02:33] ok, let me take it apart, and switch jumpers [02:33] agoole, ok first with or without an hard driver ...the live cd should not be affected [02:33] agoole, hard drive I meant [02:33] yo yo yo [02:33] agoole, so the issue you have with live cd is not related to hard drive [02:33] yeah, but the bios craps out, saying no install drive available, [02:33] yah, maybe not, lol [02:34] but I can't install either way [02:34] let me switch it up [02:34] brb [02:34] agoole, right that might mean the drive is toast [02:34] lol i just bought this one [02:34] i just put it in today [02:34] lol [02:34] agoole, ooooo [02:34] agoole, ok set jumper to master [02:34] hey guys, is ~/.bashrc no longer part of ubuntu? [02:34] well your dell 4600 looks like it comes standard with a 40gb drive [02:35] flyman, whoa we looked at different spec sheets then :) [02:35] coz_ well dell makes a server one the poweredge [02:36] flyman, I am seeing one with 80 gig too o0 [02:36] flyman, good old Dell :) [02:36] but the dell dimension 4600 tower seems to come standard with 40gb, but im sure 80+gb ones existed too [02:36] actionParsnip, it's present on my system [02:36] flyman, could be he needs bios update [02:36] i wouldn't doubt it at all [02:37] ZykoticK9, clean install of alpha3? [02:37] lot of items, especially known gfx issues for this model [02:37] actionParsnip, system i was checking on was clean install alpha 2 - booting A3 VM as we speak [02:37] flyman, all other specs on that machine seems fine to run ubuntu and even compiz [02:38] oh yeah i've run it on worse [02:38] ZykoticK9, i dont have the file and its screwing autocomplete + terminl colours, can you pastebin me yours please :D [02:38] an ibm aptiva, if you can beleive that [02:38] flyman, same here lol [02:38] flyman, whoa [02:38] actionParsnip, clean install Alpha 3 it's present as well - one moment on pastebin [02:39] ZykoticK9, appreciate it dude, thanks [02:39] coz_: yeah when i went to berkley we tried fbsd, obsd and so on, ubuntu worked and so did suse 5.0 [02:39] lol, master jumper configuration? == no jumpers, lol [02:39] agoole meaning it works or didn't have any jumpers? [02:39] flyman, wow not bad I am not surprised if unix didnt work well though [02:39] actionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/385454/ [02:40] coz_ im sure thats the only safe bet [02:40] meaning I had to take the jumper out, [02:40] with no jumeprs set, the drive go to master mode [02:40] cause it ran like crap [02:40] actionParsnip, that was the Alpha 3 default BTW [02:40] agoole, it should yes [02:41] flyman, :) [02:41] ZykoticK9, works a treat dude, thanks again :D [02:41] agoole also make sure that the ide cord is the master not slave connection [02:41] actionParsnip, glad to help [02:42] agoole, if you didnt play with the hard drive cable from the mother board ....but if so check that is in number one connector usually black [02:42] I just learned about Plymouth. Does it really drop the start time significantly? If so, does that degrade as additional services are added? [02:42] yeah and make sure the black isn't connected to the motherboard, normally a blue one is [02:42] greezmun1ey, which video card [02:42] flyman, yep I got the colours mixed up there [02:43] i do it all the time too [02:43] flyman, although on older mobo main is black secondary white no? [02:43] greezmun1ey, Plymouth is just the eye-candy part of the boot -- it's VERY common to have to remove it for certain system to start correctly [02:43] coz_ yup [02:43] coz_: There you go, I will probably need to build a box to take advantage, right? [02:43] ZykoticK9: really! [02:43] greezmun1ey, well no right now plymouth + nvidia have issues [02:44] greezmun1ey, so if you have ati or intel...assuming plymouth runs on those ...I am not sure if they have issues [02:44] ZykoticK9: so than I should expect about the same time from start to "being useable" ?? [02:44] ok all switched up, let me wire this baby up [02:44] ZykoticK9, personally I don't get any boot eyecandy and I havent tweaked anything, seems weird but its kinda nice [02:44] agoole, did you check bios settings for video? [02:44] greezmun1ey, i find Lucid faster at booting then Karmic [02:45] actionParsnip, do you get the blue/white scroll bar? [02:45] coz_: Thanks for the info... :) [02:45] coz_: booting now, and its performing automatic IDE drive configuration [02:45] greezmun1ey, did you download and burn the lucid iso already? [02:45] agoole, ok [02:45] ok, in bios again [02:45] agoole, that's a good sign [02:45] :) [02:46] ok, primary video controller, I can set it to AGP, or auto [02:46] AGP is the video card [02:46] auto == who knows ? [02:46] agoole, agp and see if that has options as well like 256 etc [02:46] agoole you using the add-on card or onboard [02:46] coz_: No, still on 9.10. I'll wait a while, but check in here for the latest. Hopfully by the time it is GA, I'll know enough of the pitfalls to be able to avoid them! [02:46] ZykoticK9, briefly, is that what plymouth is? [02:46] actionParsnip, yup [02:47] greezmun1ey, I am assuming , once lucid is released there will be fewer issues to deal with :) [02:47] coz_: There you go... [02:47] * flyman crosses fingers [02:47] ZykoticK9, i see, its on the screen for about a second [02:47] ok, made a mistake, it only has a video card [02:47] so i'll set it to agp [02:47] agoole, that should be fine [02:47] actionParsnip, well it's really the entire process from Grub to GDM - but visually, it's that bar [02:48] ZykoticK9, gotcha, its pretty quick here so its hardly on screen [02:48] ZykoticK9, oo that throbber thingy do? [02:48] ZykoticK9, despite my pc being a hunk of junk [02:48] :) [02:48] ok, still says no boot device available [02:48] ugh [02:49] actionParsnip, it only shows on my desktop (even my VMs) for a moment or two as well... for all the problems it seems to be causing right now, hardly seems worth it [02:49] agoole, sounds like the drive is toast [02:49] ZykoticK9, if it aint broke... [02:49] coz_: its brand new? bought it today? [02:49] agoole do you have your boot settings as cdrom, hard drive, network boot, usb boot/pluggable addin? [02:49] agoole, could have been DOA [02:49] actionParsnip, ... add a feature ;) [02:49] flyman: I think so [02:49] agoole, oh yeah boot device priority [02:49] ZykoticK9, haha, LXDE is blazing away on it right now [02:50] ok, switched it to cd drive [02:50] actionParsnip, enjoyed your days off with Alpha 3 have you? [02:50] agoole try maybe we'll get lucky [02:50] but I still don't hear either of them whir [02:50] agoole maybe its your power supply [02:50] ZykoticK9, yeah, 3 more days off then back to the grindstone for 4 more [02:50] that might be a good thing lol [02:50] agoole, mm I hope the driver has a power cord attached:) [02:50] drive [02:51] coz_, been there. biggest facepalm ever [02:51]