[02:00] <ccheney> yep i appear to not agree with cipro, i feel 100% today :)
[02:35] <LaserJock> ccheney: allergic reaction?
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've just uploaded the latest gnome-user-share to the ubuntu-desktop PPA. It adds a new Nautilus extension, so it would be great if you could test the impact of this on login speed before we decide whether to upload it for Lucid
[16:12] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: can you upload bug 529318? pretty nasty one ;)
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, yeah, will take a look at that once i get back
[16:13] <kklimonda> ok, thanks
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> (i'm just about to leave the house for the first time today) ;)
[16:13] <kklimonda> well, if it's good or bad depends on where do you live? ;)
[16:14] <kklimonda> maybe it's only 7AM in your TZ or maybe it's already 5PM like here..
[21:32] <hamza>  when i click on "computer", all of my system devices except for "filesystem" has disappeared.  when i click on disk utility, they show up there :S it has been a problem since whenever i plug in a usb, it does not show up on my desktop or nautilus, and i have to go through disk utility to access it.  anyone have any ideas?? :(
[21:34] <arand> Are there any changes proposed for the login sound-config in lucid, any possibility of python-gdm2setup by default?
[21:42] <hamza>  no system devices (partitions, usb, cd/dvd drive) are showing in my nautilus, but they show in disk utility, any fix?
[22:00] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Good morning!
[22:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey!
[22:03] <bryceh> heya RAOF
[22:03] <RAOF> bryceh: Good morning :)
[22:05] <hamza>  when i click on "computer", all of my system devices except for "filesystem" has disappeared.  when i click on disk utility, they show up there :S it has been a problem since whenever i plug in a usb, it does not show up on my desktop or nautilus, and i have to go through disk utility to access it.  anyone have any ideas?? :(
[22:07] <robert_ancell> hamza, ask in #ubuntu
[22:08] <TheMuso> Morning robert_ancell, RAOF.
[22:08] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, good morning
[22:09] <RAOF> TheMuso: Good morning.
[22:09]  * TheMuso breathes in the cool fresh air and looks forward to the cooler weather.
[22:29] <arand> Are there any changes proposed for the login sound-config in lucid, any possibility of python-gdm2setup by default?
[22:30] <TheMuso> arand: What do you mean by login sound config?
[22:32] <arand> 437429
[22:34] <arand> oops... bug #437429 pretty much, (I was planning on trying to answer the last comment, would the answer be "none, use gdm2setup from ppa if you need it"?)
[22:35] <TheMuso> Right its a gdm related issue then.
[22:36] <arand> TheMuso: Not -desktop you mean?
[22:36] <TheMuso> arand: Its to do with the desktop, but its something that has to bexposed by gdm configuration somehow.
[22:39] <arand> TheMuso: Since it being a rather common annoyance, and A fix being available in the python-gdm2setup I was wondering if any discussions had been made to make it more accesible than as of now when it's simpla in PPA?
[22:41] <TheMuso> arand: I don't know whats going on there, I am not involved with that part of Ubuntu development.
[22:43] <rickspencer3> RAOF, hi
[22:43] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Good morning/evening!
[22:43] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, TheMuso do you guys know RAOF?
[22:44] <lifeless> arand: if there is a fix in the PPA, and the fix looks suitable, I suggest you prepare it for ubuntu and submit it to the sponsorship queue
[22:44] <rickspencer3> RAOF, this is your first day, right?
[22:44] <RAOF> rickspencer3: It is indeed.
[22:44] <rickspencer3> welcome!!
[22:44] <lifeless> RAOF: did we hire you ?
[22:44] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: yes
[22:44] <RAOF> lifeless: You did indeed.
[22:44] <lifeless> RAOF: \o/
[22:44] <RAOF> :)
[22:44] <lifeless> about time
[22:44] <rickspencer3> RAOF, and you are in Sydney, right?
[22:44] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, sure do
[22:44] <TheMuso> RAOF: Congrats and welcome!
[22:44] <RAOF> rickspencer3: Yes.
[22:44] <lifeless> RAOF: OTOH it makes it even harder to have an ubuntu-motu get together that has community folk in sydney ;)
[22:45] <RAOF> lifeless: :)
[22:45] <rickspencer3> we have quite the Sydney contingent, as well as quite the contigent of people named "Chris" irl
[22:45] <RAOF> lifeless: Even harder when I move to Hobart!
[22:45] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:45] <TheMuso> Getting as bad as the steves.
[22:45] <lifeless> RAOF: I'm moving to nz :P
[22:45] <rickspencer3> lol
[22:46] <lifeless> don't forget the matts
[22:46] <RAOF> I have the advantage of having an unusual surname.  I confuse computer systems with great reliability :)
[22:46] <rickspencer3> hehe
[22:46] <rickspencer3> RAOF, try being the "third"
[22:47] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, TheMuso may I suggest RAOF ask you if they have any questions about this crazy job?
[22:47] <robert_ancell> sure can
[22:47] <lifeless> was rickspencer1 taken? So you're the forth ?
[22:47] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: sure
[22:48] <rickspencer3> lifeless, no
[22:48] <rickspencer3> not quite
[22:48] <lifeless> RAOF: you can ask me too; if you feel the need :>
[22:48] <arand> lifeless: Well, it's a separate application, and I'm not quite sure what the developer's plan is really: https://edge.launchpad.net/gdm2setup  It not being finished with all features is anoter thing I guess.. I was wondering if I should give it a mention on this blueprint?:https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-gdmsetup
[22:48] <rickspencer3> the deal is that my grandpa was the first Richard Spencer, then my dad, then me, then my boy
[22:48] <lifeless> rickspencer3: ah
[22:49] <lifeless> arand: getting a discussion going is key; things that are not discussed generally don't happen. (necessay, but not a sufficient condition)
[22:50] <arand> robert_ancell: I saw you've been drafting that blueprint, have you had a look at  python-gdm2setup?
[22:50] <rickspencer3> arand, we are past Alpha 3 and Feature Freeze ...
[22:50]  * TheMuso still doesn't understand the whole "name" -> "name jr" -> "name jr/3rd etc"
[22:50] <TheMuso> Where si the originality in that? :)
[22:51] <rickspencer3> as the engineering manager I am trying to get folks to STOP ADDING features
[22:51] <rickspencer3> :)
[22:51] <TheMuso> s/si/is/
[22:51] <robert_ancell> arand, gdm2setup will not become the default but we encourage adding it to universe so it is easily installable
[22:53] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, arand is there anything we can do to help the gdm2setup team get there code into universe?
[22:57] <crimsun> welp, hopefully those were the last two userspace alsa uploads for Lucid.
[22:58] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, TheMuso, RAOF fyi, I am based in Florida this week, which will slide my schedule back a bit ...
[22:59] <rickspencer3> making it a bit harder for us to stay in sync this week
[22:59] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks dude. You've always been one step ahead of me. As soon as I start chacing up fixes, you've got them in before I even get to test build. :)
[22:59] <rickspencer3> crimsun, are you saying that you think pulse audio bits are finished for Lucid?
[22:59] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, nice location :)
[22:59] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, yeah, visiting my folks
[22:59] <crimsun> rickspencer3: PA should be fairly close, but no, I'm referring to the userspace alsa portion only.
[22:59] <rickspencer3> ah
[23:00] <rickspencer3> still, that's significant
[23:00] <rickspencer3> congrats TheMuso and crimsun
[23:00] <RAOF> TheMuso: You were looking into doing a ports version of linux-backports-modules-nouveau (specificly PPC), weren't you?  How's that going, if at all?
[23:01] <TheMuso> RAOF: Haven't got to it. Its actually not that difficult to do, just some packaging work, but I need to test build and test the packages proper on ppc hardware.
[23:02] <TheMuso> RAOF: Hopefully I can get to it tonight.
[23:03] <rickspencer3> RAOF, robert_ancell how would you guys feel about doing Eastern Edition at 8am your time on Wednesday just this one week?
[23:03] <RAOF> Ok.  Give me a ping if you need any help there; I'd prefer it for nouveau to not regress for PPC users.
[23:03] <rickspencer3> TheMuso has an appointment that can't be moved
[23:03] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, can do
[23:03] <RAOF> rickspencer3: I'm fine with that.
[23:03] <rickspencer3> great!
[23:03] <TheMuso> Thanks guys.
[23:04] <rickspencer3> RAOF, do you know what the Eastern Edition is?
[23:04] <TheMuso> RAOF: ok thanks.
[23:05] <rickspencer3> it;s a recap of our weekly team meeting, timed to not be at a gawd awful hour for our friends in Syndey
[23:05] <RAOF> rickspencer3: I believe it's where all the crazy future Canonical guys call up & report status?
[23:05] <TheMuso> lol
[23:05]  * RAOF likes to think of Sydney as in the future.
[23:05] <rickspencer3> RAOF, right
[23:05] <rickspencer3> well, I also push information and we have discussions
[23:06] <rickspencer3> we are very meeting light
[23:06] <TheMuso> "I remember the future, like it was only yesterday..."
[23:06] <rickspencer3> it's pretty much the only meeting that we have
[23:06] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, lol
[23:06] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: Actually thats a line of lyrics from a song.
[23:06] <robert_ancell> I got a painting for my office in the weekend: http://imagebin.ca/view/vUjSJUR.html
[23:07] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, nice
[23:08] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, I bet simple scan works pretty darn well on the scanner there
[23:08] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, best supported model!
[23:08] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:09] <robert_ancell> shame it's an awful printer
[23:09] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, they'll probably see an uptick of their sales in May, be like wtf?
[23:10] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I notice that's an HP?  I'm in the market for a printer/scanner/etc thingy; got any recommendations?
[23:14] <robert_ancell> RAOF, HP seems the best supported in general, don't buy the cheap one like I did - it paper jams all the time.  So I'd expect $200 is about the sweet spot for a multi-function
[23:14] <robert_ancell> RAOF, (which of course you can claim as a work expense at tax time)
[23:14] <RAOF> robert_ancell: IRght.
[23:15] <lifeless> is there an IWrong?
[23:15]  * TheMuso already had a flatbed scanner, which is more portable than any multi-function device, so I invested in a mono lazer printer. Best printer investment ever.
[23:15] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, how much for a laser?  What are the running costs like?
[23:15] <RAOF> lifeless: No, but there's an IWong
[23:15] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: $200 for the printer with network capability. Don't know about running costs yet, only ad it for a few months, and since I do very little printing, the toner is likely to last me quite a while.
[23:15]  * RAOF 's brother got a $90 laser two years ago or somesuch; hasn't had to replace the toner yet.
[23:16] <Nafai> RAOF, I've had one since 2001 and still haven't replaced the toner
[23:16] <TheMuso> Thats also why I got a lazer. The toner won't dry up if left for a while.
[23:16] <robert_ancell> I'm thinking of getting a new printer, so a laser might be a good investment
[23:20] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell, thanks for your great contributions to the Featured Applications blueprint
[23:20] <rickspencer3> you sir, are awesome
[23:21] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3, oh, I installed them all in the weekend and I've got a writeup I'm going to send to the desktop mailing list
[23:21] <rickspencer3> wow!
[23:21]  * rickspencer3 bugs eyes
[23:21] <robert_ancell> I have a menu full of apps :)
[23:21] <rickspencer3> so basically, it will "Robert's Featured Apps"
[23:21] <rickspencer3> we could do worse :)
[23:22] <TheMuso> lol
[23:22] <robert_ancell> the wiki page is open for additions :)
[23:42] <arand> robert_ancell: Okay to just edit away with some additions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Lucid/FeaturedApps ??
[23:42] <robert_ancell> arand, yes, of course!
[23:51] <Sarvatt> surprised neverball and openarena aren't on the games list :)
[23:59] <robert_ancell> Sarvatt, add them!