[00:05] <hyperair> andreasn_: yes, i'm the maintainer of that PPA.
[00:05] <hyperair> andreasn_: the 1.5.4 really 1.5.3 means it's really 1.5.3, but the version needed to be bumped due to an accidental upload of the wrong package.
[00:06] <hyperair> andreasn_: i accidentally uploaded something meant for the daily PPA (a daily snapshot) to the banshee-team ppa instead.
[00:12] <nenolod> zul: you here?
[00:35] <andreasn_> hyperair, ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation
[05:04] <StevenK> lifeless: How about prodding me to sync it when it's actually hit dinstall? :-)
[05:23] <lifeless> StevenK: hey, rmadison shows it in debian :)
[07:27] <shawnboy> Can someone clear up my confusion about C/C++ and OO?
[07:31] <shawnboy> obj-oriented?
[07:33] <shawnboy> nobody talkative tonight.
[07:35] <persia> shawnboy: What are you trying to have answered?
[07:36] <shawnboy> persia, I've read conflicting things about whether C fully supports OO. I want to learn either C or C++. For some reason I lean toward C, but I do want to learn OO.
[07:36] <shawnboy> some say no, some say yes it can technically but why would u, and other say sure it can fully do OO
[07:38] <persia> Both languages allow various styles of programming (both OO and not, as well as other orientations).  This is not a good forum to ask such questions: they will be ignored unless someone happens to be bored and there is no other traffic.
[07:38] <persia> Unfortunately, I have no suggestions as to what would be an appropriate forum to get more information about these topics.
[07:38] <shawnboy> i knew this maybe isn't the perfect forum, but hoped that people doing actual devel on Linux would be good group to ask.
[07:39] <shawnboy> i tried ##programming but that channel isn't working for me for some reason, and that's only other one I knew of.
[07:39] <shawnboy> U have no opinion one way or another on the matter?
[07:40] <persia> None whatsoever.
[07:40] <micahg> shawnboy: there seems to be a ##c++-basic channel
[07:40] <shawnboy> micahg, ok. I can try that one. Isn't this for linux developers? Isn't straight C used for linux?
[07:41] <micahg> shawnboy: this channel is for Ubuntu development specifically
[07:42] <shawnboy> micahg, ok. so if I want linux developers opinions on my question... I'm out of luck?
[07:42] <hile> absolutely.
[07:43] <shawnboy> hile, ok. seems odd... but... ok.
[07:44] <micahg> shawnboy: this isn't a linux development channel (Ubuntu has a separate kernel channel), also stuff for ubuntu is probably written in a dozen languages
[07:44] <persia> Many more than a dozen.
[07:45] <persia> And it contains examples of many, many, many different programming paradigms in each language.
[07:45] <hile> most certainly this is not any kind of programming discussion channel.
[07:47] <shawnboy> hmmm. well, I learned something then. I didn't know that. I'll give another place a try. thanks for at least responding.
[07:48] <persia> shawnboy: Good luck in your search.
[07:51] <shawnboy> persia, thank you. g'night all.
[11:31] <chrisccoulson> sladen - i'm not sure why you ended up with epiphany-browser installed, but gnome-panel and gnumeric don't pull them in (they only suggest epiphany-browser, and suggests aren't installed by default)
[11:39] <sladen> chrisccoulson: apt-mark showauto | grep epiphany   shows it as having been automaticallly installed
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> have you configured your system to install suggests?
[11:39] <micahg> sladen: aptitude why epiphany-browser
[11:43] <sladen> thunderbird-locale-en-gb -> language-support-translations-en -> gimp-help-en -> www-browser -> epiphany-browser
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> that dependency chain is ok
[11:48] <micahg> not really, tb-locales doesn't depend on that package anymroe
[11:48] <micahg> *anymore
[11:48] <micahg> sladen: what version of the thunderbird-locale package do you have/
[11:50] <sladen> thunderbird-locale-en-gb          1:2.0.0.14+1-0ubuntu2
[11:51]  * micahg wonders if the locales got out of NEW
[11:51] <micahg> yes, sladen, that's not the latest version in lucid
[11:51] <micahg> do you have thunderbird 3 yet?
[11:52] <lifeless> sladen: thunderbird-locale-thr-gb is more fun
[11:53] <sladen> micahg: The only .*thunderbird.* package I have is 'thunderbird-locale-en-gb'.  (eg. I run with the defaults in order to dogfood)
[11:54] <micahg> sladen: than the issue is language-support-translations which should have been removed...I'd move your bug to update-manager...
[11:54] <sladen> micahg: done, and CC'ed mvo
[11:57] <micahg> I subscribed as well
[12:02] <sladen> lifeless: I'm still puzzling over what language code 'thr' is.  Is it for some remote British island colony or something?
[12:02] <lifeless> klingon
[12:03] <StevenK> And it's tlh
[12:03] <lifeless> oh, my fail.
[12:03] <lifeless> StevenK: so why couldn't you sync it ?
[12:03] <StevenK> lifeless: It wasn't in unstable yet?
[12:03] <lifeless> StevenK: rmadison thought it was
[12:03] <lifeless> StevenK: which I guess is what requestsync uses.
[12:04]  * StevenK kicks cocoplum
[12:05] <lifeless> StevenK: I mean, I didn't do any silly buggery, I just ran requestsync --lp -d unstable testresources
[12:05] <lifeless> and figured it would complain if it was too early.
[12:05] <lifeless> StevenK: should I be doing something different?
[12:05] <StevenK> lifeless: Nah, sounds like an okay process
[12:07] <StevenK> lifeless: Synced.
[12:07] <lifeless> thanks!
[13:46] <muelli> heya, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugs-auftrags-killer/+archive/muelli claims that my PPA is signed with a key, but http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugs-auftrags-killer/muelli/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.pgp does not exist. How can I get the repository signed?
[14:10] <al-maisan> muelli: is your ppa new or was it recently created?
[14:11] <al-maisan> muelli: under normal circumstances a signing key is created for a PPA shortly after it was created
[14:12] <muelli> al-maisan: yeah, it's newish. three days old or so. And as I've said: The website claims it's signed, but the Release.pgp is missing.
[14:15] <micahg> muelli: try asking in #launchpad
[14:18] <muelli> micahg: thx. will do
[14:21] <al-maisan> muelli: that's out of the ordinary .. it should not take 3 days to generate the signing key
[14:24] <muelli> al-maisan: interestingly enough, I imported that key manually, so it exists at least :)
[14:25] <al-maisan> muelli: great :)
[14:47] <flower> in which package is  update-initramfs?
[14:49] <micahg> flower: initramfs-tools
[14:49] <flower> micahg: thx
[14:52] <muelli> flower: I use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search the packages that contain files :)
[18:08] <Lex79> I can't build the new version of kdebindings, something in mono is in "New" I think
[18:08] <Lex79> http://pastebin.ca/1814542
[18:09] <Lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu2
[18:10] <directhex> Lex79, yes, i was about to ask for an archive admin to intervene
[18:10] <directhex> Lex79, the cross-platform parts of mono are stuck in NEW (because the i386 build is stuck in NEW)
[18:11] <Lex79> ok thanks :)
[18:11] <directhex> because libmono-rabbitmq2.0-cil_2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu1_all.deb and libmono-messaging-rabbitmq2.0-cil_2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu1_all.deb are actually new this upload.
[18:12] <Lex79> oh, I see
[18:27] <ebroder> Are any core-devs around that could take a look at bug #497606? We just deployed CUPS 1.4 servers here, but have a lot of Hardy/Jaunty clients, so this bug is hitting us fairly hard
[18:28] <ebroder> I've had a tested debdiff sitting there for 2 months now
[18:37] <Amaranth> ebroder: in about 12-16 hours there will be a bunch
[18:37]  * ebroder sighs. Damn time zones
[18:46] <jdong> ebroder: do you need sru bits too?
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[18:51] <jdong> ebroder: I do see core-devs alive right now but I'm afraid I'll be kidnapped in my sleep for revealing them ;-)
[18:51] <jdong> *keeps mouth shut*
[18:58] <directhex> jdong, how about archive admins? :p
[18:59] <jdong> directhex: am I not spying in the right channels?
[19:17] <ebroder> jdong: Yeah, it's an SRU
[19:19] <ebroder> Thanks
[19:20] <ebroder> jdong: Can you accept nominations on that bug? Or do you have to be able to upload the package to do that?
[19:21] <ebroder> (cupsys+hardy, cups+intrepid, and cups+jaunty should be accepted, and all the others should be rejected)
[19:21] <Laney> yah boo
[19:24] <jdong> ebroder: no, that's still core-dev only I'm afraid
[19:52] <lifeless> kees: bug 528115
[19:52] <lifeless> bah
[19:52] <lifeless> kees: bug 528155
[19:53] <lifeless> kees: thats the lvm issue I ran into last week
[19:59] <kees> lifeless: yup, hopefully the kernel team will catch it.  I'll milestone it.
[20:00] <lifeless> kees: thanks
[20:42] <_Groo_> can anyone tell me if sun-java6 was pulled out of lucid?
[20:43] <mdeslaur> _Groo_: it will be moved to the partner repo
[20:45] <_Groo_> mdeslaur: ah ok, but is the partner repo already activated in alpha3?
[20:45] <mdeslaur> _Groo_: there was a problem putting sun-java6 into the partner repo this week, it should be fixed shortly
[20:46] <Lex79> directhex: no news about mono issue? :(
[20:46] <directhex> Lex79, i haven't noticed an archive admin skulking about yety
[20:47] <directhex> or anyone i know to be an archive admin
[20:47] <_Groo_> mdeslaur: ok thanks... i almost had an heart attack lol
[20:47] <Lex79> ok
[20:54] <jdong> hmmmm any upstart/bootup deities in here?
[20:54] <jdong> http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/bootchart_lucid.png
[20:55] <jdong> my system seems to stall at bootup for $a_long_time doing nothing
[20:55] <jdong> and bootchart seems to confirm that
[20:55] <jdong> any hints for debugging this?
[21:06] <slangasek> jdong: what makes you think it's stalling?
[21:06] <jdong> no disk IO, just mouse pointer on a console background
[21:06] <slangasek> "mouse pointer on a console background" - standard plymouth bug
[21:14] <jdong> slangasek: ah
[21:16] <jdong> it just seems like from 13 seconds to 57 seconds nothing's "happening"
[21:16] <slangasek> jdong: because your X is wedged.  Ctrl+Alt+F2, Ctrl+Alt+F7 to fix it (maybe)
[21:16] <jdong> ah