[00:05] andreasn_: yes, i'm the maintainer of that PPA. [00:05] andreasn_: the 1.5.4 really 1.5.3 means it's really 1.5.3, but the version needed to be bumped due to an accidental upload of the wrong package. [00:06] andreasn_: i accidentally uploaded something meant for the daily PPA (a daily snapshot) to the banshee-team ppa instead. [00:12] zul: you here? [00:35] hyperair, ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation === nikolam_ is now known as nikolam [05:04] lifeless: How about prodding me to sync it when it's actually hit dinstall? :-) [05:23] StevenK: hey, rmadison shows it in debian :) === Lutin is now known as Guest85487 [07:27] Can someone clear up my confusion about C/C++ and OO? [07:31] obj-oriented? [07:33] nobody talkative tonight. [07:35] shawnboy: What are you trying to have answered? [07:36] persia, I've read conflicting things about whether C fully supports OO. I want to learn either C or C++. For some reason I lean toward C, but I do want to learn OO. [07:36] some say no, some say yes it can technically but why would u, and other say sure it can fully do OO [07:38] Both languages allow various styles of programming (both OO and not, as well as other orientations). This is not a good forum to ask such questions: they will be ignored unless someone happens to be bored and there is no other traffic. [07:38] Unfortunately, I have no suggestions as to what would be an appropriate forum to get more information about these topics. [07:38] i knew this maybe isn't the perfect forum, but hoped that people doing actual devel on Linux would be good group to ask. [07:39] i tried ##programming but that channel isn't working for me for some reason, and that's only other one I knew of. [07:39] U have no opinion one way or another on the matter? [07:40] None whatsoever. [07:40] shawnboy: there seems to be a ##c++-basic channel [07:40] micahg, ok. I can try that one. Isn't this for linux developers? Isn't straight C used for linux? [07:41] shawnboy: this channel is for Ubuntu development specifically [07:42] micahg, ok. so if I want linux developers opinions on my question... I'm out of luck? [07:42] absolutely. [07:43] hile, ok. seems odd... but... ok. [07:44] shawnboy: this isn't a linux development channel (Ubuntu has a separate kernel channel), also stuff for ubuntu is probably written in a dozen languages [07:44] Many more than a dozen. [07:45] And it contains examples of many, many, many different programming paradigms in each language. [07:45] most certainly this is not any kind of programming discussion channel. [07:47] hmmm. well, I learned something then. I didn't know that. I'll give another place a try. thanks for at least responding. [07:48] shawnboy: Good luck in your search. [07:51] persia, thank you. g'night all. === Guest85487 is now known as Lutin === leoquant is now known as soonerorlater [11:31] sladen - i'm not sure why you ended up with epiphany-browser installed, but gnome-panel and gnumeric don't pull them in (they only suggest epiphany-browser, and suggests aren't installed by default) [11:39] chrisccoulson: apt-mark showauto | grep epiphany shows it as having been automaticallly installed [11:39] have you configured your system to install suggests? [11:39] sladen: aptitude why epiphany-browser [11:43] thunderbird-locale-en-gb -> language-support-translations-en -> gimp-help-en -> www-browser -> epiphany-browser [11:45] that dependency chain is ok [11:48] not really, tb-locales doesn't depend on that package anymroe [11:48] *anymore [11:48] sladen: what version of the thunderbird-locale package do you have/ [11:50] thunderbird-locale-en-gb 1:2.0.0.14+1-0ubuntu2 [11:51] * micahg wonders if the locales got out of NEW [11:51] yes, sladen, that's not the latest version in lucid [11:51] do you have thunderbird 3 yet? [11:52] sladen: thunderbird-locale-thr-gb is more fun [11:53] micahg: The only .*thunderbird.* package I have is 'thunderbird-locale-en-gb'. (eg. I run with the defaults in order to dogfood) [11:54] sladen: than the issue is language-support-translations which should have been removed...I'd move your bug to update-manager... [11:54] micahg: done, and CC'ed mvo [11:57] I subscribed as well [12:02] lifeless: I'm still puzzling over what language code 'thr' is. Is it for some remote British island colony or something? [12:02] klingon [12:03] And it's tlh [12:03] oh, my fail. [12:03] StevenK: so why couldn't you sync it ? [12:03] lifeless: It wasn't in unstable yet? [12:03] StevenK: rmadison thought it was [12:03] StevenK: which I guess is what requestsync uses. [12:04] * StevenK kicks cocoplum [12:05] StevenK: I mean, I didn't do any silly buggery, I just ran requestsync --lp -d unstable testresources [12:05] and figured it would complain if it was too early. [12:05] StevenK: should I be doing something different? [12:05] lifeless: Nah, sounds like an okay process [12:07] lifeless: Synced. [12:07] thanks! [13:46] heya, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugs-auftrags-killer/+archive/muelli claims that my PPA is signed with a key, but http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bugs-auftrags-killer/muelli/ubuntu/dists/karmic/Release.pgp does not exist. How can I get the repository signed? [14:10] muelli: is your ppa new or was it recently created? [14:11] muelli: under normal circumstances a signing key is created for a PPA shortly after it was created [14:12] al-maisan: yeah, it's newish. three days old or so. And as I've said: The website claims it's signed, but the Release.pgp is missing. [14:15] muelli: try asking in #launchpad [14:18] micahg: thx. will do [14:21] muelli: that's out of the ordinary .. it should not take 3 days to generate the signing key [14:24] al-maisan: interestingly enough, I imported that key manually, so it exists at least :) [14:25] muelli: great :) [14:47] in which package is update-initramfs? [14:49] flower: initramfs-tools [14:49] micahg: thx [14:52] flower: I use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search the packages that contain files :) === Richie is now known as WelshDragon === yofel_ is now known as yofel === qense is now known as sense === sense is now known as Sense === Sense is now known as sense === sense is now known as qense [18:08] I can't build the new version of kdebindings, something in mono is in "New" I think [18:08] http://pastebin.ca/1814542 [18:09] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu2 [18:10] Lex79, yes, i was about to ask for an archive admin to intervene [18:10] Lex79, the cross-platform parts of mono are stuck in NEW (because the i386 build is stuck in NEW) [18:11] ok thanks :) [18:11] because libmono-rabbitmq2.0-cil_2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu1_all.deb and libmono-messaging-rabbitmq2.0-cil_2.4.4~svn151842-1ubuntu1_all.deb are actually new this upload. [18:12] oh, I see [18:27] Are any core-devs around that could take a look at bug #497606? We just deployed CUPS 1.4 servers here, but have a lot of Hardy/Jaunty clients, so this bug is hitting us fairly hard [18:27] Launchpad bug 497606 in cupsys "lpstat in CUPS 1.3 can't list jobs on CUPS 1.4 servers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/497606 [18:28] I've had a tested debdiff sitting there for 2 months now [18:37] ebroder: in about 12-16 hours there will be a bunch [18:37] * ebroder sighs. Damn time zones [18:46] ebroder: do you need sru bits too? [18:46] [18:51] ebroder: I do see core-devs alive right now but I'm afraid I'll be kidnapped in my sleep for revealing them ;-) [18:51] *keeps mouth shut* [18:58] jdong, how about archive admins? :p [18:59] directhex: am I not spying in the right channels? [19:17] jdong: Yeah, it's an SRU [19:19] Thanks [19:20] jdong: Can you accept nominations on that bug? Or do you have to be able to upload the package to do that? [19:21] (cupsys+hardy, cups+intrepid, and cups+jaunty should be accepted, and all the others should be rejected) [19:21] yah boo [19:24] ebroder: no, that's still core-dev only I'm afraid [19:52] kees: bug 528115 [19:52] Launchpad bug 528115 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Mouse cursor does not show after startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528115 [19:52] bah [19:52] kees: bug 528155 [19:52] Launchpad bug 528155 in linux "needs a breaks: clause for lvm2 versions in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528155 [19:53] kees: thats the lvm issue I ran into last week [19:59] lifeless: yup, hopefully the kernel team will catch it. I'll milestone it. [20:00] kees: thanks [20:42] <_Groo_> can anyone tell me if sun-java6 was pulled out of lucid? [20:43] _Groo_: it will be moved to the partner repo [20:45] <_Groo_> mdeslaur: ah ok, but is the partner repo already activated in alpha3? [20:45] _Groo_: there was a problem putting sun-java6 into the partner repo this week, it should be fixed shortly [20:46] directhex: no news about mono issue? :( [20:46] Lex79, i haven't noticed an archive admin skulking about yety [20:47] or anyone i know to be an archive admin [20:47] <_Groo_> mdeslaur: ok thanks... i almost had an heart attack lol [20:47] ok [20:54] hmmmm any upstart/bootup deities in here? [20:54] http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/bootchart_lucid.png [20:55] my system seems to stall at bootup for $a_long_time doing nothing [20:55] and bootchart seems to confirm that [20:55] any hints for debugging this? [21:06] jdong: what makes you think it's stalling? [21:06] no disk IO, just mouse pointer on a console background [21:06] "mouse pointer on a console background" - standard plymouth bug [21:14] slangasek: ah [21:16] it just seems like from 13 seconds to 57 seconds nothing's "happening" [21:16] jdong: because your X is wedged. Ctrl+Alt+F2, Ctrl+Alt+F7 to fix it (maybe) [21:16] ah