[08:17] <Myrtti> love it when people suggest changing to wicd from nm to a person with hw problems
[08:19] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:39] <phix> wtf, I am banned from #ubuntu? when did this happen?
[08:41] <Flannel> phix: 2.5 weeks ago it looks like
[08:41] <Flannel> (Jan 10)
[08:44] <phix> ummmm, that can't be right, I mean I was let back in, I didn't do anything else to deserve a ban
[08:45] <Flannel> phix: From the log, you were being rather rude
[08:47] <Flannel> and offtopic and random
[08:47] <phix> yea but I got unbanned for that, but now I am banned again
[08:48] <Flannel> phix: When were you unbanned for that?
[08:49] <phix> *shrugs* I just noticed now I have been re-banned
[08:49] <phix> To make your jobs easier you should just put a perm unban on me, that will save you guys alot of time
[08:49] <Flannel> phix: You weren't rebanned, because you were never unbanned
[08:50] <phix> hmmmm
[08:50] <phix> I never even new I was banned to begin with
[08:50] <phix> knew even
[08:50] <phix> any way, can some one unban me?
[08:50] <phix> that would be super
[08:50] <Flannel> phix: Not with an attitude like that, no.
[08:51] <phix> oh
[08:51] <phix> you want some respect?
[08:52] <phix> I have alot of that if you need some
[08:54] <phix> any way, be a pal and unban, kthnxbi
[08:55] <Flannel> phix: No.  This isn't the first time this has been covered with you, and I'm not comfortable unbanning you, because you have once again showed no respect for the policies of #ubuntu.
[08:56] <phix> :/
[08:57] <phix> personailit conflicts are against ubuntu policies?
[08:57] <phix> s/t/ty/
[08:57] <Flannel> phix: Being offtopic and especially rude is against policy.
[08:58] <phix> I mean some of your ops are complete ummmm, hmmmm, what word best describes, well Ljl in partiular, hmmmm
[08:58] <phix> ok
[08:58] <phix> ok fine, then why am I still banned in ubuntu-offtopic then?
[08:58] <phix> how can I be so offtopic that it doesn't even fit in that channel?
[08:58] <Flannel> phix: Because there's no reason to unban you from #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:59] <phix> there isn't?
[08:59] <phix> I mean if I am speaking offtopic too much then #ubuntu-offtopic should be the first channel I am unbanned from
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: You were banned from both once upon a time, we let you back into #ubuntu, and you couldn't follow the policies of that channel.  Why would we let you back into a channel where it's even more likely you'll be inappropriate?
[09:00] <phix> how can I be inappropriate in a channel that is marked as offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> how offtopic can I be before it is considered too offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> and is there such thing as too offtopic?
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: "Offtopic" doesn't mean anything-goes.
[09:01] <phix> isn't that in itself just offtopic
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: No.
[09:01] <phix> I think I need to start another ubuntu channel
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: But, it's not really important for you to understand #ubuntu-offtopic, since you won't be there anytime in the near future.
[09:01] <phix> but that is a side note
[09:02] <phix> hmmm
[09:02] <phix> so in otherwords I can just go and fuck myself/
[09:02] <phix> ?
[09:02] <mneptok> !o4o
[09:02] <Flannel> phix: You won't be let back into either of those channels tonight.
[09:02] <phix> ok
[09:03] <phix> hmmm
[09:03] <phix> pl
[09:03] <phix> ok even
[09:04] <Flannel> phix: Is there anything else we can help you with tonight?
[09:04] <phix> yes
[09:04] <phix> there is
[09:04] <phix> now you mention it
[09:05] <phix> How does one apply for op status?
[09:06] <phix> in Ubuntu and associated channels?
[09:07] <mneptok> a good start is to stop behaviors that get you banned, and to discuss band in a way that results in being unbanned. "kthxbai" and such are probably not the best tactic in that regard.
[09:07] <mneptok> *bans
[09:07] <phix> hmmm
[09:07] <mneptok> IOW, learn to walk before you try to run.
[09:07] <phix> note taken
[09:08] <phix> I Just think #ubuntu needs some policy changes, an being an op would give me some leverage hey
[09:09] <Flannel> phix: Actually, being an operator has nothing to do with that.  If you think there's some changes that need to be made, you're free to make the suggestions.
[09:09] <phix> awesome
[09:10] <phix> nice
[09:10] <phix> what does that all mean ubottu ?
[09:10] <Flannel> phix: Did you have a suggestion to make right now then? or just in the future?
[09:11] <phix> oh
[09:11] <phix> ummm, let me see
[09:11] <Flannel> phix: If not, it's no big deal.  Come back when you do.
[09:11] <phix> ok, I will sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow
[09:12] <phix> when are you usually on here?
[09:12] <phix> around this time? or just on Sat / Sunday's?
[09:13] <Flannel> phix: don't worry about that.  Most of us read scrollback to keep up
[09:13] <phix> ok great
[09:13] <phix> that is all
[09:13] <phix> *AFK*
[09:14] <Flannel> phix: Please part this channel if you're finished for now
[09:16] <phix> oh
[09:16] <phix> really? I can't just wait here?
[09:16] <mneptok>  /topic
[09:16] <phix> I Would like to see channel history too
[09:16] <phix> can you paste it to me next time I come in?
[09:18] <mneptok> there are web-ified IRC logs
[09:18] <phix> nice
[09:18] <phix> where at?
[09:19] <mneptok> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <phix> thnx
[09:20] <phix> there are alot of ubnutu channels
[09:20] <phix> bzr is ubuntu affiliated?
[09:20] <phix> as in bazaar version control?
[09:21] <phix> any way, I wont idle any more
[09:21] <phix> cyas later, looking forward to coming into a #ubuntu channel some time tomorrow
[09:25] <Flannel> I sometimes wonder if the words I say have different meanings that I'm not aware of
[09:29] <mneptok> Flannel: you can use IMAP, or and Exchange connector to allow that type of sync with a mobile device.
[09:29] <Flannel> mneptok: erm....uh...
[09:31] <persia> There's a lot of arguments for POP1 as well, although there probably aren't any complete implemetnations extant.
[10:50] <gnomefreak> when trying to renew ops for #*-motu and #xubuntu-offtopic it says it can not be renewed....is not set to expire in 7day
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what does that mean?
[10:51] <Tm_T> poke jussi01
[10:55] <gnomefreak> still sleeping maybe
[10:57] <Tm_T> possibly, as there were hockey game in tv early in the morning
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #xubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> offtopic IRC Operators (irc-xubuntu-offtopic-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #ubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> motu IRC Operators (irc-ubuntu-motu-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks
[11:01] <jussi01> so it looks like you renewed, but lp was being funny
[11:02] <gnomefreak> makes sense i just dont recall doing it
[11:03] <Tm_T> when we had the meeting?
[11:05] <Tm_T> today, ok
[11:10] <ikonia> it's later today isn't it ?
[11:11]  * gnomefreak goes to calendar but i think its 1400UTC but not sure
[11:12] <Tm_T> Sunday 28 February 18:00 UTC
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yeah just saw that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> that means 1300 for me.
[17:06] <ikonia> hello shadeslayer
[17:06] <shadeslayer> hi um i think theres a problem with kubuntu-devel
[17:06] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apparently i can change its topic 0_o
[17:06] <ikonia> yup
[17:06] <ikonia> the channels not locked properly
[17:06] <ikonia> I'll get it sorted
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: how come?
[17:06] <ikonia> I don't know
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: please do :)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> just thought its a security concern.... thatll be all :)
[17:06] <ikonia> no problem
[17:06] <ikonia> thanks for the ifno
[17:06] <ikonia> info
[17:07] <shadeslayer> no problemo :)
[18:05] <jussi01> ircc meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[19:07] <Myrtti> what has been decided so far?
[19:08] <Myrtti> anyone?
[19:09] <jpds> Not a lot.
[19:09] <Pici> Myrtti: doing a trial of allowing idlers here was voted on, we're at -1 so far, waiting for nhandler_ and tsimpson to vote though, but they're not present.
[19:10] <Myrtti> ok
[19:10]  * Myrtti goes for the log to see who voted what so far
[19:10] <Tm_T> and we agreed to be nice, err, that's all
[19:10] <Tm_T> one hour for a meeting is not enough
[19:14] <topyli> it would be plenty if we had less history lessons and made more decisions
[19:14] <topyli> :)
[19:14] <Tm_T> topyli: like our -fi meetings? (;
[19:15] <topyli> i really enjoyed the last one! any news from xyzzy-team? no? moving on. any issues from... :)
[19:16] <Tm_T> ...or the >2 hour meetings :-P
[19:19]  * Tm_T hugs everyone
[19:19] <Tm_T> ...GROAAAARGH!! ):
[19:20] <Mamarok> Tm_T: come on, be nice!
[19:21] <Tm_T> yeah, hugging veryone is not nice
[19:21] <Mamarok> I said that more because of that horrible groan
[19:23] <Tm_T> I'm still lacking that sleep (:
[19:41] <Amaranth> wait, why do you need all 5 to vote on something?
[19:41] <Tm_T> Amaranth: because there's no majority in one side
[19:41] <Tm_T> if all 3 would have voted similarly...
[19:42] <Amaranth> Guess they should have showed up then
[19:42] <Amaranth> In traditional voting bodies if you don't show up you don't get a vote
[19:42] <Amaranth> hrm, I think I'm not here anymore
[19:42] <Tm_T> Amaranth: they will provide their vote when they are online
[19:42] <Tm_T> ):
[19:44] <Amaranth> Internet fail.
[19:46] <Amaranth> Tm_T: That doesn't make sense, in a traditional voting system if you don't show up you don't get a vote.
[19:47] <Tm_T> dunno
[19:47] <Tm_T> Amaranth: in traditional voting system, you have voting time, from 1 second to several months, this time it's between those two I guess
[20:03] <nickspoon> Launchpad keeps pestering me about my membership to irc-ubuntu-offtopic-ops :(
[20:03] <Tm_T> nickspoon: give 'em a hug
[20:04]  * nickspoon hugs Launchpad
[20:18] <guntbert> I seem to remember that ubottu would honor the last part of "!info grub | whoever that will help you" by saying "whoever: that will help you: grub is the.....", now the sentence after the nick is cut off
[20:19] <Tm_T> !grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <Tm_T> !info grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <Tm_T> I have never seen it working otherwise
[20:19] <Tm_T> but hmmmm
[20:20] <guntbert> Tm_T: then I misremember - but it would be "a nice thing to have" :-)
[20:20] <Tm_T> guntbert: agreed on that, if there's no technical limitations
[20:21] <guntbert> Tm_T: of course :)
[20:21] <Tm_T> shame I don't know why/how it works that way now
[20:22] <guntbert> Tm_T: not everyone *can* know...
[20:22] <Tm_T> I should know everything (;)
[20:22] <Myrtti> the possibilty of being able to direct the info factoids is a quite recent hack, actually
[20:23] <Myrtti> (the !info factoids, that is)
[20:23] <guntbert> Tm_T: ah - I forgot that :)
[20:23] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ah, good to know
[20:23] <guntbert> Myrtti: thanks for bringin my memory up to speed - so that was the improvement I remembered
[20:25] <guntbert> so I'll be on my way before demanding ever more  :-) have a nice time
[20:25] <Tm_T> guntbert: thanks and welcome back
[20:26] <guntbert> Tm_T: :)
[20:55] <Amaranth> 'recent'
[21:37] <Myrtti> I must have slipped through the rabbit hole... some of the discussion on IRC are somewhat strange atm
[21:37] <Flannel> :P
[21:38] <knome> Myrtti, congrats
[21:41] <Tm_T> some? not all?
[21:41] <Myrtti> most of it is strange in the usual way