[04:06] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, AtomicSpark said: !stats is <reply> Statistics for #ubuntu-offtopic may be found here: http://stats.dahou.se/ubuntu-offtopic.html
[08:17] <Myrtti> love it when people suggest changing to wicd from nm to a person with hw problems
[08:19] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:39] <phix> wtf, I am banned from #ubuntu? when did this happen?
[08:41] <Flannel> phix: 2.5 weeks ago it looks like
[08:41] <Flannel> (Jan 10)
[08:44] <phix> ummmm, that can't be right, I mean I was let back in, I didn't do anything else to deserve a ban
[08:45] <Flannel> phix: From the log, you were being rather rude
[08:47] <Flannel> and offtopic and random
[08:47] <phix> yea but I got unbanned for that, but now I am banned again
[08:48] <Flannel> phix: When were you unbanned for that?
[08:49] <phix> *shrugs* I just noticed now I have been re-banned
[08:49] <phix> To make your jobs easier you should just put a perm unban on me, that will save you guys alot of time
[08:49] <Flannel> phix: You weren't rebanned, because you were never unbanned
[08:50] <phix> hmmmm
[08:50] <phix> I never even new I was banned to begin with
[08:50] <phix> knew even
[08:50] <phix> any way, can some one unban me?
[08:50] <phix> that would be super
[08:50] <Flannel> phix: Not with an attitude like that, no.
[08:51] <phix> oh
[08:51] <phix> you want some respect?
[08:52] <phix> I have alot of that if you need some
[08:54] <phix> any way, be a pal and unban, kthnxbi
[08:55] <Flannel> phix: No.  This isn't the first time this has been covered with you, and I'm not comfortable unbanning you, because you have once again showed no respect for the policies of #ubuntu.
[08:56] <phix> :/
[08:57] <phix> personailit conflicts are against ubuntu policies?
[08:57] <phix> s/t/ty/
[08:57] <Flannel> phix: Being offtopic and especially rude is against policy.
[08:58] <phix> I mean some of your ops are complete ummmm, hmmmm, what word best describes, well Ljl in partiular, hmmmm
[08:58] <phix> ok
[08:58] <phix> ok fine, then why am I still banned in ubuntu-offtopic then?
[08:58] <phix> how can I be so offtopic that it doesn't even fit in that channel?
[08:58] <Flannel> phix: Because there's no reason to unban you from #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:59] <phix> there isn't?
[08:59] <phix> I mean if I am speaking offtopic too much then #ubuntu-offtopic should be the first channel I am unbanned from
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: You were banned from both once upon a time, we let you back into #ubuntu, and you couldn't follow the policies of that channel.  Why would we let you back into a channel where it's even more likely you'll be inappropriate?
[09:00] <phix> how can I be inappropriate in a channel that is marked as offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> how offtopic can I be before it is considered too offtopic?
[09:00] <phix> and is there such thing as too offtopic?
[09:00] <Flannel> phix: "Offtopic" doesn't mean anything-goes.
[09:01] <phix> isn't that in itself just offtopic
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: No.
[09:01] <phix> I think I need to start another ubuntu channel
[09:01] <Flannel> phix: But, it's not really important for you to understand #ubuntu-offtopic, since you won't be there anytime in the near future.
[09:01] <phix> but that is a side note
[09:02] <phix> hmmm
[09:02] <phix> so in otherwords I can just go and fuck myself/
[09:02] <phix> ?
[09:02] <mneptok> !o4o
[09:02] <ubottu> Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !Freenode Policy and the !CodeOfConduct
[09:02] <Flannel> phix: You won't be let back into either of those channels tonight.
[09:02] <phix> ok
[09:03] <phix> hmmm
[09:03] <phix> pl
[09:03] <phix> ok even
[09:04] <Flannel> phix: Is there anything else we can help you with tonight?
[09:04] <phix> yes
[09:04] <phix> there is
[09:04] <phix> now you mention it
[09:05] <phix> How does one apply for op status?
[09:06] <phix> in Ubuntu and associated channels?
[09:07] <mneptok> a good start is to stop behaviors that get you banned, and to discuss band in a way that results in being unbanned. "kthxbai" and such are probably not the best tactic in that regard.
[09:07] <mneptok> *bans
[09:07] <phix> hmmm
[09:07] <mneptok> IOW, learn to walk before you try to run.
[09:07] <phix> note taken
[09:08] <phix> I Just think #ubuntu needs some policy changes, an being an op would give me some leverage hey
[09:09] <Flannel> phix: Actually, being an operator has nothing to do with that.  If you think there's some changes that need to be made, you're free to make the suggestions.
[09:09] <phix> awesome
[09:09] <ubottu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Neon0Blue)
[09:10] <phix> nice
[09:10] <phix> what does that all mean ubottu ?
[09:10] <Flannel> phix: Did you have a suggestion to make right now then? or just in the future?
[09:11] <phix> oh
[09:11] <phix> ummm, let me see
[09:11] <Flannel> phix: If not, it's no big deal.  Come back when you do.
[09:11] <phix> ok, I will sleep on it and get back to you tomorrow
[09:12] <phix> when are you usually on here?
[09:12] <phix> around this time? or just on Sat / Sunday's?
[09:13] <Flannel> phix: don't worry about that.  Most of us read scrollback to keep up
[09:13] <phix> ok great
[09:13] <phix> that is all
[09:13] <phix> *AFK*
[09:14] <Flannel> phix: Please part this channel if you're finished for now
[09:16] <phix> oh
[09:16] <phix> really? I can't just wait here?
[09:16] <mneptok>  /topic
[09:16] <phix> I Would like to see channel history too
[09:16] <phix> can you paste it to me next time I come in?
[09:18] <mneptok> there are web-ified IRC logs
[09:18] <phix> nice
[09:18] <phix> where at?
[09:19] <mneptok> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <phix> thnx
[09:20] <phix> there are alot of ubnutu channels
[09:20] <phix> bzr is ubuntu affiliated?
[09:20] <phix> as in bazaar version control?
[09:21] <phix> any way, I wont idle any more
[09:21] <phix> cyas later, looking forward to coming into a #ubuntu channel some time tomorrow
[09:25] <Flannel> I sometimes wonder if the words I say have different meanings that I'm not aware of
[09:29] <mneptok> Flannel: you can use IMAP, or and Exchange connector to allow that type of sync with a mobile device.
[09:29] <Flannel> mneptok: erm....uh...
[09:31] <persia> There's a lot of arguments for POP1 as well, although there probably aren't any complete implemetnations extant.
[10:50] <gnomefreak> when trying to renew ops for #*-motu and #xubuntu-offtopic it says it can not be renewed....is not set to expire in 7day
[10:51] <gnomefreak> what does that mean?
[10:51] <Tm_T> poke jussi01
[10:55] <gnomefreak> still sleeping maybe
[10:57] <Tm_T> possibly, as there were hockey game in tv early in the morning
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #xubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> offtopic IRC Operators (irc-xubuntu-offtopic-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <jussi01> Hello Jussi Schultink,
[11:00] <jussi01> John Vivirito (gnomefreak) renewed their own membership in the #ubuntu-
[11:00] <jussi01> motu IRC Operators (irc-ubuntu-motu-ops) team until 2011-03-03.
[11:00] <gnomefreak> jussi01: thanks
[11:01] <jussi01> so it looks like you renewed, but lp was being funny
[11:02] <gnomefreak> makes sense i just dont recall doing it
[11:03] <Tm_T> when we had the meeting?
[11:05] <Tm_T> today, ok
[11:10] <ikonia> it's later today isn't it ?
[11:11]  * gnomefreak goes to calendar but i think its 1400UTC but not sure
[11:12] <Tm_T> Sunday 28 February 18:00 UTC
[11:13] <gnomefreak> yeah just saw that
[11:13] <gnomefreak> that means 1300 for me.
[11:35] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rww said: !drm is bad
[14:35] <ubottu> LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (please look at Dieut and Oiseau_Moyen in the backscroll)
[15:26] <ubottu> Slart called the ops in #ubuntu (ejeeter)
[16:52] <ubottu> In #ubuntu, tuxnani said: ubottu: hi is <reply> !who is great
[17:06] <ikonia> hello shadeslayer
[17:06] <shadeslayer> hi um i think theres a problem with kubuntu-devel
[17:06] <ikonia> what's up ?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> apparently i can change its topic 0_o
[17:06] <ikonia> yup
[17:06] <ikonia> the channels not locked properly
[17:06] <ikonia> I'll get it sorted
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: how come?
[17:06] <ikonia> I don't know
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ikonia: please do :)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> just thought its a security concern.... thatll be all :)
[17:06] <ikonia> no problem
[17:06] <ikonia> thanks for the ifno
[17:06] <ikonia> info
[17:07] <shadeslayer> no problemo :)
[18:05] <jussi01> ircc meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[19:07] <Myrtti> what has been decided so far?
[19:08] <Myrtti> anyone?
[19:09] <jpds> Not a lot.
[19:09] <Pici> Myrtti: doing a trial of allowing idlers here was voted on, we're at -1 so far, waiting for nhandler_ and tsimpson to vote though, but they're not present.
[19:10] <Myrtti> ok
[19:10]  * Myrtti goes for the log to see who voted what so far
[19:10] <Tm_T> and we agreed to be nice, err, that's all
[19:10] <Tm_T> one hour for a meeting is not enough
[19:14] <topyli> it would be plenty if we had less history lessons and made more decisions
[19:14] <topyli> :)
[19:14] <Tm_T> topyli: like our -fi meetings? (;
[19:15] <topyli> i really enjoyed the last one! any news from xyzzy-team? no? moving on. any issues from... :)
[19:16] <Tm_T> ...or the >2 hour meetings :-P
[19:19]  * Tm_T hugs everyone
[19:19] <Tm_T> ...GROAAAARGH!! ):
[19:20] <Mamarok> Tm_T: come on, be nice!
[19:21] <Tm_T> yeah, hugging veryone is not nice
[19:21] <Mamarok> I said that more because of that horrible groan
[19:23] <Tm_T> I'm still lacking that sleep (:
[19:41] <Amaranth> wait, why do you need all 5 to vote on something?
[19:41] <Tm_T> Amaranth: because there's no majority in one side
[19:41] <Tm_T> if all 3 would have voted similarly...
[19:42] <Amaranth> Guess they should have showed up then
[19:42] <Amaranth> In traditional voting bodies if you don't show up you don't get a vote
[19:42] <Amaranth> hrm, I think I'm not here anymore
[19:42] <Tm_T> Amaranth: they will provide their vote when they are online
[19:42] <Tm_T> ):
[19:44] <Amaranth> Internet fail.
[19:46] <Amaranth> Tm_T: That doesn't make sense, in a traditional voting system if you don't show up you don't get a vote.
[19:47] <Tm_T> dunno
[19:47] <Tm_T> Amaranth: in traditional voting system, you have voting time, from 1 second to several months, this time it's between those two I guess
[20:03] <nickspoon> Launchpad keeps pestering me about my membership to irc-ubuntu-offtopic-ops :(
[20:03] <Tm_T> nickspoon: give 'em a hug
[20:04]  * nickspoon hugs Launchpad
[20:18] <guntbert> I seem to remember that ubottu would honor the last part of "!info grub | whoever that will help you" by saying "whoever: that will help you: grub is the.....", now the sentence after the nick is cut off
[20:19] <Tm_T> !grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <ubottu> guntbert see this: grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[20:19] <Tm_T> !info grub | guntbert see this
[20:19] <ubottu> guntbert: grub (source: grub): GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-29ubuntu59 (karmic), package size 396 kB, installed size 924 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 lpia all)
[20:19] <Tm_T> I have never seen it working otherwise
[20:19] <Tm_T> but hmmmm
[20:20] <guntbert> Tm_T: then I misremember - but it would be "a nice thing to have" :-)
[20:20] <Tm_T> guntbert: agreed on that, if there's no technical limitations
[20:21] <guntbert> Tm_T: of course :)
[20:21] <Tm_T> shame I don't know why/how it works that way now
[20:22] <guntbert> Tm_T: not everyone *can* know...
[20:22] <Tm_T> I should know everything (;)
[20:22] <Myrtti> the possibilty of being able to direct the info factoids is a quite recent hack, actually
[20:23] <Myrtti> (the !info factoids, that is)
[20:23] <guntbert> Tm_T: ah - I forgot that :)
[20:23] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ah, good to know
[20:23] <guntbert> Myrtti: thanks for bringin my memory up to speed - so that was the improvement I remembered
[20:25] <guntbert> so I'll be on my way before demanding ever more  :-) have a nice time
[20:25] <Tm_T> guntbert: thanks and welcome back
[20:26] <guntbert> Tm_T: :)
[20:55] <Amaranth> 'recent'
[21:37] <Myrtti> I must have slipped through the rabbit hole... some of the discussion on IRC are somewhat strange atm
[21:37] <Flannel> :P
[21:38] <knome> Myrtti, congrats
[21:41] <Tm_T> some? not all?
[21:41] <ubottu> blakkheim called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:41] <Myrtti> most of it is strange in the usual way