[01:22] <chilicuil> how would you install vbox without X?, I've tried with some .deb packages I've downloaded from virtualbox and sun without sucess
[01:40] <jmarsden> chilicuil: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose --no-install-recommends    # should do it, I think?
[01:40] <chilicuil> thx jmarsden, I'm gonna give it a try
[01:40] <jmarsden> Don't "download packages", use the Ubuntu-provided ones.
[01:41] <chilicuil> but it only provides the ose package with lack of features such as vrdp or usb support, jmarsden
[01:41] <jmarsden> Sure, but it works :)
[04:36] <Cromulent> gah - why does the dovecot-imapd package require you to install the libmysql and mysql-common?
[05:16] <Bookman> Is there a free alternative to cpanel available?
[05:36] <Bookman>  Is there a free alternative to cpanel available?
[06:22] <zroysch> is there any logical reason why unplugging a sata drive would cause other drives to not show up on boot in the list of connected drives for each sata controller
[06:22] <zroysch> they dont even show up after i plug it back in
[07:26] <sherr> Bookman: cpanel alternative : http://www.ispconfig.org/
[09:21] <Roxyhart0> hi there i need to download the windows drivers for my cups-samba ...i already did. but when i do cupsaddsmb it say i dont have any woindows drivers. somebody know what i need to do to install this drivers on my samba server?
[09:27] <BulleTh0> Roxyhart0, did you tryed this? http://www.cups.org/software.php?VERSION=1.4.2&FILE=cups/windows/cups-windows-6.0-source.tar.bz2
[09:40] <Roxyhart0> thanks BulleTh0, yes i did and then i run the command rpmbuild -ta cups-version-source.tar.gz
[09:41] <Roxyhart0> it install a folder rpmbuild, but i dont know what i need to do then
[09:42] <Roxyhart0> because when i run cupsaddsmb -a it say i dont have any windows drivers installed. So i suppose i n need to do something else after the command rpmbuild
[09:44] <Roxyhart0> do you know tis command?
[09:45] <Roxyhart0> this
[10:13] <BulleTh0> Roxyhart0, you need to copy some win dlls from c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\ to /usr/share/cups/drivers/
[10:13] <BulleTh0> Show me ls -al /usr/share/cups/drivers/
[10:16] <Roxyhart0> ok, give me a second
[10:17] <Roxyhart0> i got just cups6.inf, cups6.ini, cupsps6.dll and cupsui6.dll
[10:18] <BulleTh0> You need these files too ps5ui.dll pscript5.dll pscript.hlp pscript.ntf
[10:19] <Roxyhart0> how i can get those files, just cpy from a windows machine?
[10:19] <BulleTh0> Yep. Look here how it should be. http://paste.ubuntu.com/385609/
[10:22] <Roxyhart0> ok, i will try, thanks. what about the driver for printers to windows machines. i am confuse because cusp.org say i need to dowload from their webpage and i didt work for me
[10:22] <BulleTh0> On the windows machine you don't need any drivers. Just right-click and connect
[10:23] <Roxyhart0> ok, i got a old print server and it laso have folder such as x86 and cups-1.3.x
[10:33] <Roxyhart0> ok, i just copy those files but now when i do cupsaddsmb -a I am getting the error :session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[10:33] <Roxyhart0> do you know when it happen?
[11:03] <BulleTh0> Sorry Roxyhart0 my net died.
[11:03] <BulleTh0> I think you need to make some permissions.
[11:07] <Roxyhart0> i neded to copy some files form the old server located on /var/lib/samba/printers ...but it shouldn't to be the way...still dont understand why the "cups" doc doesn't work
[11:07] <Roxyhart0> from *
[11:46] <MatBoy> someone using ubuntu with samba and policies ?
[14:14] <philsturgeon> using virtualmin and i seem to be having trouble viewing my sites via userdir. it was enabled and configured, but today i am getting 500 errors every time i try to view one. http://albert.serverofdoom.co.uk/~philstu/
[14:17] <lamont> philsturgeon: what does the apache error log have to say?
[14:19] <philsturgeon> lamont: struggling to find the damn thing :$
[14:19] <philsturgeon> lamont: fail locate apache | grep error
[14:21] <lamont> see the config file - if you didn't change it there, then /var/log/apache2/error.log or some such
[14:23] <philsturgeon> lamont: nothing showing in there, last error was Sun Feb 28 14:02:21 :-/
[14:24] <lamont> throwing a 500 without logging something is kinda rude of it.  there has to be some leavings somewhere.....
[14:24] <lamont> but nfc what the issue is, sadly
[14:26] <philsturgeon> anybody else know what could be making userdir fire a 500 error, or how i can find out why?
[14:40] <resno> is it possible to run windows under a virtualbox on a server?
[14:42] <resno> in a way to miniize guis and cpu cylces
[14:47] <MatBoy> I wonder why sudo net rpc user password tom "secret" -U root gives me a "A bad password was supplied." message
[15:05] <nOStahl> hi guys is there a way i can serv images of operating systems over a network to a thin client
[15:05] <nOStahl> what is needed for that software wise
[15:19] <sherr> nOStahl: maybe the Linux Terminal Server Project is worth a look
[15:37] <RoyK> nOStahl: ltsp is probably the choice of that, yes
[15:38] <nOStahl> k
[15:38] <nOStahl> i have a dell poweredge 2850 to play with
[15:42] <RoyK> nOStahl: mohaha - tomorrow I have a nice little 2U box with eight 2TB drives dedicated for testing
[15:46] <nOStahl> jellous
[15:46] <nOStahl> this server just has two 73 gig maxtors heh
[15:55] <nOStahl> so with ltsp running on my ubuntu server. (not sure i understand how this works yet) can i serve windows images?
[15:59] <RoyK> no ubuntu on this box, though
[15:59] <RoyK> opensolaris ftw :)
[16:00] <nOStahl> what im wondering is. i have this server here. and a couple thinclients. would like to be able to boot windows xp on the thinclients served from the server
[16:00] <nOStahl> is that what ltsp does?
[16:00] <nOStahl> or boot  linux distro as well on the thinclients
[16:01] <zroysch> ok i guess its time to get new hardware
[16:01] <zroysch> jesus this is annoying
[16:02] <zroysch> how does shit just stop working
[16:02] <RoyK> nOStahl: you're looking for freenx
[16:03] <zroysch> if i were to get this motherboard would it have ANY problems recognizing 1tb sata drives on EVERY boot? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
[16:04] <RoyK> nOStahl: or perhaps xen
[16:05] <zroysch> it looks like theyre no longer integrating video
[16:05] <zroysch> which means i'll need a pcix card
[16:05] <zroysch> sigh
[16:07] <dustin_> I am having some trouble with drupal on my ubuntu 8.04 server is this the best place to get answers or is there a drupal channel somewhere?
[16:10] <zroysch> ChanServ: (notice) [#Drupal] Welcome to the generic Drupal channel. Feel free to ask here -- you might get an answer or a suggestion of which channel would fit better. Visit #drupal-contribute if you want to contribute something (and you know you want to).
[16:15] <dustin_> when I add an attatchment to my new drupal install it is only visible in the post to me and no other users how do I fix that
[16:27] <nOStahl> use wordpress
[16:27] <nOStahl> it fixes everything
[16:28] <dustin_> where do I get wordpress and is it an addon to drupal or a substitute?
[16:28] <nOStahl> wordpress.org
[16:29] <dustin_> how much configureing will it take to add it into my lamp server
[16:30] <RoyK> nothing
[16:30] <RoyK> apt-get install the bits
[16:30] <RoyK> wordpress will need some more, but not a lot
[16:30] <dustin_> "the bits"?
[16:30] <RoyK> wordpress needs mod_rewrite and some php stuff
[16:31] <RoyK> larger memory than the initial 8 megs etc
[16:31] <RoyK> but it's all in the wp docs
[16:31] <RoyK> not a lot
[16:31] <dustin_> so this is a replacement for drupal
[16:31] <RoyK> not replacement
[16:31] <RoyK> merely an alternative
[16:31] <dustin_> extention?
[16:31] <RoyK> no
[16:31] <dustin_> oh ok
[16:32] <dustin_> I just wanted to know if I needed to remove drupal before installin
[16:32] <RoyK> drupal is probably better in terms of CMSes, but wordpress is easier to install
[16:32] <dustin_> I want easy managability for my users
[16:32] <RoyK> wordpress lives in a directory and a database and coexist quite happily with drupal
[16:33] <dustin_> I want them to be able to simply post somethign with a picture
[16:33] <RoyK> wordpress might be good then
[16:33] <RoyK> or drupal
[16:33] <RoyK> or any good cms
[16:33] <RoyK> just find what you like
[16:34] <dustin_> well I already installed drupal and moist of my ppl hae signed up for it
[16:34] <RoyK> if it works, don't fix it
[16:34] <dustin_> just cant seem to get the pictures working
[16:34] <dustin_> new to drupal
[16:34] <RoyK> changing the whole system because of such a detail seems overrated
[16:34] <RoyK> try to ask on #drupal if such a channel exists
[16:35] <dustin_> the question is what server would #drupal be on...
[16:35] <dustin_> googling things with drupal in the title is a nitemare
[16:36] <nOStahl> usually when drupal or wordpress wont post pictures is lack of ram aloud to php
[16:36] <nOStahl> check your php.ini file
[16:36] <dustin_> do I cat that or emacs it to check it?
[16:37] <nOStahl> sudo nano /etc/php/php.ini probably
[16:39] <dustin_> there is no php diredctory in /etc
[16:39] <nOStahl> search for php.ini in /etc/apache2
[16:41] <dustin_> not there either
[16:41] <nOStahl> poke around
[16:43] <RoyK> dustin_: have you installed php?
[16:43] <nOStahl> he must if he has drupal working
[16:44] <RoyK> /etc/php/apache2/php.ini
[16:44] <RoyK> try that
[16:44] <RoyK> modifying it
[16:44] <dustin_> royk php is installed ond functioning great
[16:44] <RoyK> /etc/php/apache2/php.ini ?
[16:45] <dustin_> there is no php directory in etc
[16:45] <dustin_> cd php
[16:46] <dustin_> sorry too many open windows
[16:46] <RoyK> erm
[16:46] <RoyK> cd /etc/php5
[16:46] <RoyK> does that work?
[16:47] <dustin_> nobs.game-host.org/zwoop.php       works still
[16:47] <RoyK> hey, is there a directory called /etc/php5?
[16:47] <dustin_> I did ls -a to see what is in etd and nothing with php in the name of the directory is there
[16:47] <dustin_> etc*
[16:48] <RoyK> what happens if you do 'cd /etc/php5' ?
[16:48] <RoyK> after doing that, please do 'pwd' and paste the result
[16:48] <RoyK> and any error messages
[16:48] <dustin_> it opened but that is strnge it isnt in the ls I just looked at
[16:48] <RoyK> whatever
[16:49] <RoyK> when pwd says you're in /etc/php5
[16:49] <RoyK> cd apache2
[16:49] <RoyK> vi php.ini
[16:49] <RoyK> look for 'memory limit = '
[16:49] <dustin_> what line am I looking for in the ini file
[16:49] <RoyK> no idea
[16:50] <RoyK> look for the string
[16:50] <RoyK> if you're not familiar with vi as an editor, type <esc>:wq!<enter> at once
[16:50] <RoyK> then use nano or something
[16:50] <dustin_> I use emacs
[16:50] <RoyK> ok
[16:51] <RoyK> search for 'memory_limit', 'max_post_size' and 'upload_max_size' and change those to larger values
[16:51] <RoyK> after that, restart apache
[16:51] <dustin_> post_max_size = 8M
[16:51] <RoyK> memory_limit should be set to something you can afford. the others should be set to something less, according to your needs
[16:52] <RoyK> yes, that's the default
[16:52] <RoyK> and usually too low
[16:52] <dustin_> I am running 256 ram with a 40gb hdd on this tiny server what do you reccomend there
[16:52] <RoyK> 256 megs of ram?
[16:52] <dustin_> its a p3
[16:52] <RoyK> not a lot
[16:53] <RoyK> but try giving php 128 megs
[16:53] <RoyK> and set vm.swappiness to 100
[16:53] <dustin_> total or in max post
[16:53] <RoyK> sysctl vm.swappiness = 100
[16:53] <RoyK> just try both
[16:53] <RoyK> 256 megs of ram is not a lot these days
[16:53] <RoyK> start with 64 megs on all three variables
[16:54] <RoyK> it will probably cover   most of the needs
[16:54] <dustin_> I know that, that is why I use ubuntu server for it
[16:54] <dustin_> I call it a scrap metal server :)
[16:54] <RoyK> still, login as root or sudo in and increase vm.swappiness
[16:54] <RoyK> it's on 60 (per cent) as a default, and on low memory systems, that's too low
[16:56] <dustin_> ty
[16:57] <dustin_> sorry if i soud a little dumb but I am new to drupal and php, this server has been great most of the problems are operator error I think
[16:58] <RoyK> drupal probably isn't the problem
[16:58] <RoyK> restart the services and try again
[16:58] <RoyK> it'll probably work
[16:59] <RoyK> but 256 megs of ram for a drupal server is not a lot
[16:59] <dustin_> I have a new board waiting to go in as soon as I get a processor for my main computer then I will have a 3gig setup under it
[17:00] <dustin_> but 265 was pushing it in that old pentium3 setup
[17:01] <dustin_> when I restart "services" do I restart apache, mysql and php?
[17:01] <dustin_> I didnt think php was restartable
[17:02] <RoyK> php is linked to apache - just restart apache
[17:02] <dustin_> ok
[17:02] <RoyK> mysql is connected through a socket, and won't need a  restart
[17:15] <zroysch> wow how long does it take to rm a 1tb file
[17:15] <zroysch> i thought it could just mark it for overwrite or something
[17:19] <martin->  zroysch it depends on the filesystem
[17:31] <zroysch> martin-: i see. its somewhere between ext2 and ext3
[17:31] <zroysch> file is gone now
[17:32] <zroysch>  e2fsck found errors on the file system.
[17:32] <zroysch> great.
[17:32] <zroysch> that is from part image, when I'm trying to image this raid5 partition
[17:33] <chocamo> Right now I have a nas using ubuntu server. I also have a small website and I was thinking of just hosting myself through the nas. My worry is security. What could I do to assure none of the personal files on the nas will be compromised by opening it up like this
[17:33] <zroysch> oh i have the option to continue
[17:33] <zroysch> chocamo: put a firewall in front
[17:33] <zroysch> pfsense, ipcop
[17:33] <ikonia> chocamo: lock down your ports, make sure file permissions are right,
[17:34] <ikonia> and by right I mean "tight"
[17:34] <chocamo> how so? Just make sure permission for the right people are what they need to be?
[17:35] <chocamo> thats about all you can do right?
[17:35] <zroysch>  Can't read bitmap block 0 from image
[17:35] <zroysch> great.
[17:36] <zroysch> is there any way to make part image work when i have file system errors
[17:36] <zroysch> i get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md2,
[17:36] <chocamo> there should be a force option right?
[17:36] <chocamo> I dont remember what it was
[17:38] <zroysch> hmm not seeing any mention of force on the man page
[17:38] <chocamo> maybe im thinking of something else
[17:38] <zroysch> it is almost guaranteed i'm going to lose data if i e2fsck right
[17:42] <Hoppipola> I have a problem with my RAID 5 /dev/md1 device. Here is my fdisk -l and my mdadm -D /dev/md0 and md1 http://pastebin.com/MBmyrdc4 I recently lost a disk, and failed, removed it, and added a new one. I am trying to mount now, and I can't because I get this error http://pastebin.com/8sSV4xtq
[17:43] <Hoppipola> Is there a way to retrieve ANY of the data on md1?
[17:43] <zroysch> geeze
[17:43] <zroysch> you and me both
[17:43] <zroysch> starting to think md raid is more trouble than its worth
[17:44] <Hoppipola> zroysch: I know, I feel like I could have just done multiple hardware backups and been done with it...but I dropped one :(
[17:44] <Hoppipola> it is in the freezer now, I might try mounting it cold
[17:45] <zroysch> lolwut
[17:45] <Hoppipola> zroysch: worked for me before
[17:46] <Hoppipola> sometimes a damaged disk can be frozen and then mounted cold if you REALLY need the data. Feds do it to break hackers comps, they drop hds in liquid nitrogen
[17:46] <Hoppipola> =P
[17:47] <zroysch> interesting
[17:47] <qman__> I've heard that advice too, didn't work in my case
[17:47] <qman__> I lost an 8x500GB RAID 5 array when two disks failed within an hour of each other
[17:47] <Hoppipola> qman_: bad luck, sorry to hear that
[17:48] <zroysch> raid5 is terrible
[17:48] <Hoppipola> I have a lot of problems with it
[17:48] <zroysch> it seems like a bad idea to use drives from the same batch also
[17:48] <qman__> nothing too important was lost, fortunately
[17:48] <zroysch> yea i have nothing important on here
[17:48] <zroysch> just media
[17:48] <zroysch> but my music is pretty important to me
[17:48] <qman__> now I'm running 8x1TB in a RAID6 with one spare configuration
[17:48] <chocamo> I just do bihourly rsyncs
[17:48] <Hoppipola> zroysch: wish I could say the same about only losing media :(
[17:48] <chocamo> on 2 diff brand drives
[17:48] <zroysch> Hoppipola: if its business you gotta be foolish not to backup
[17:49] <Hoppipola> zroysch: I dropped the backup
[17:49] <zroysch> dropped?
[17:49] <Hoppipola> ya
[17:49] <Hoppipola> like, on the ground
[17:49] <zroysch> like you were holding it and it fell onto the floor
[17:49] <zroysch> thats odd
[17:49] <Hoppipola> zroysch: THEN my hd fell
[17:49] <Hoppipola> out of the array that is
[17:49] <Hoppipola> but yeah, bad timing
[17:49] <chocamo> ya that sucks
[17:50] <qman__> yeah
[17:50] <qman__> when I put the first one together I had read that raid 6 was for the paranoid
[17:50] <chocamo> you need like 3 systems in those black box cases all backing eachother up
[17:50] <qman__> then I lost my data, now I use it
[17:50] <zroysch> even raid6
[17:50] <zroysch> seems like raid10 is the only legit one
[17:51] <Hoppipola> yeah, I am starting to think I should just make a triangular mirror
[17:51] <Hoppipola> the RAID, and two external hard copies, but then backup becomes a serious pain
[17:51] <chocamo> whats your favorite mail server?
[17:52] <qman__> I like postfix
[17:52] <chocamo> postfix is default right?
[17:52] <qman__> yes
[17:52] <chocamo> I am looking to create a local only frontend for a mail server with php. But I am not sure how I would interface with the mail server itself? Just system() commands in php?
[17:53] <qman__> what
[17:53] <chocamo> I want to make my own personal gmail ripoff
[17:53] <qman__> what's the frontend for? as in, what is it supposed to do?
[17:54] <qman__> are you just looking for a webmail system? if so, there are plenty that already exist
[17:54] <chocamo> but I am unfamiliar with postfix so I dont knwo how I would actually retrieve the mail to display etc
[17:54] <chocamo> I'd like to do my own just for fun
[17:54] <qman__> well, postfix is only an SMTP server
[17:54] <chocamo> whats a good imap one?
[17:55] <zroysch> do people use imap ?
[17:55] <qman__> postfix+dovecot is the typical setup
[17:55] <qman__> I always use imap
[17:55] <zroysch> i tried it in the office in outlook2007
[17:55] <chocamo> ok
[17:55] <zroysch> it was god awful
[17:55] <Hoppipola> can one use fsck to fix corrupted superblocks on ext3 on a drive?
[17:55] <zroysch> it was slow
[17:55] <zroysch> and deleting emails was stupid
[17:55] <zroysch> crossing them out like
[17:55] <qman__> the problem with pop3 is that it only delivers once
[17:55] <zroysch> but it was through godaddy so maybe that was the problem
[17:55] <qman__> doesn't work if you have multiple clients on the same account
[17:55] <qman__> I get pop3 sent to my phone and imap in thunderbird
[17:56] <zroysch> the godaddy guy said imap is good because it syncs all your devices to have the same mailbox
[17:56] <zroysch> they all hated it though so i went to pop3
[17:56] <qman__> imap is slower, because the mail stays on the server, but it provides far more functionality
[17:56] <chocamo> ya and thats what I want
[17:57] <qman__> I've got about 8 accounts set up in my thunderbird, all imap
[17:57] <qman__> it takes about five seconds to fetch my mail
[17:57] <qman__> and opening a folder takes about a second
[17:58] <zroysch> local server?
[17:58] <qman__> no, internet
[17:58] <zroysch> took like 20-30 at work
[17:58] <zroysch> it was stupid
[17:58] <qman__> gmail, AIM, hosted websites
[17:58] <zroysch> interesting
[17:58] <qman__> if you're deleting or marking hundreds of messages at once, it hangs notably
[17:58] <qman__> but just reading my mail, it takes only a second or two to load each message
[17:59] <zroysch> and when you go to delete it
[17:59] <zroysch> what happens
[17:59] <qman__> I generally don't delete my mail, but that only takes a second or two as well
[17:59] <zroysch> in outlook it would make a crossout
[17:59] <zroysch> and just leave it there
[17:59] <zroysch> until some time later when it removes it
[17:59] <zroysch> or you could choose to hide the crossouts
[17:59] <qman__> I hate outlook with a burning passion
[18:00] <zroysch> also they were saying that if they accidentally deleted something they couldnt get it back
[18:00] <zroysch> in pop it just goes to the trash folder
[18:00] <zroysch> imap it disappears
[18:00] <qman__> dealing with peoples' multi-GB pst files
[18:00] <zroysch> yea. i know
[18:00] <zroysch> if it had been up to me they wouldnt be using windows
[18:00] <qman__> that's a problem with the way the server is set up, not imap itself
[18:01] <qman__> or the client, not sure which
[18:01] <qman__> you can move to trash on delete just fine
[18:01] <zroysch> i see
[18:01] <zroysch> so a godaddy problem then probably
[18:01] <qman__> I actually ran into an issue related to that
[18:01] <qman__> I would delete my spam, and thunderbird would move it to trash
[18:01] <qman__> but on gmail, imap trash is not the real trash
[18:02] <qman__> subsequently, my phone would download all the messages in imap trash via pop3
[18:03] <qman__> their pop3 configuration is not smart enough to consider imap trash as trash
[18:03] <zroysch> why not imap on the phone
[18:03] <qman__> doesn't support it, or didn't when I set it up at least
[18:03] <zroysch> oh
[18:03] <zroysch> which
[18:03] <qman__> they added it but I haven't gotten around to messing with it
[18:04] <qman__> blackberry storm, the 4.x OS didn't support it, but the 5.x does
[18:04] <zroysch> i wanna try the nexus one
[18:04] <zroysch> coworker has android on some motorola
[18:04] <zroysch> i like it
[18:04] <zroysch> i have a bb. i think it sucks alot
[18:04] <qman__> the storm, the hardware is nice, but the software is lacking
[18:04] <qman__> it's slow, lacks features
[18:05] <zroysch> the touchscreen on that motorola actually seems usable
[18:05] <zroysch> iphone is not at all
[18:05] <qman__> and RIM doesn't update very often
[18:05] <zroysch> yea
[18:07] <zroysch> so if partimage is telling me e2fsck found errors in the raid5 partition and i cant mount it because wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock
[18:07] <zroysch> what am i supposed to do
[18:07] <qman__> the filesystem is probably trashed
[18:07] <qman__> I'm guessing you lost a disk
[18:07] <qman__> but one of the ones you have left isn't any good either
[18:07] <zroysch> yea i lost one and mistakenly pulled another one
[18:08] <zroysch> but the array is assembled and running
[18:08] <zroysch> maybe i should just e2fsck and see what happens
[18:08] <zroysch> hate losing data without a backup though
[18:08] <qman__> is it ext3?
[18:08] <qman__> if so, go for it
[18:08] <zroysch> it was originally
[18:08] <qman__> ext3 has a very good recovery rate
[18:08] <zroysch> but an e2fscking somehow made at least one of the drives ext2
[18:09] <qman__> well, ext3 is mountable as ext2
[18:09] <zroysch> ok so just e2fsck /dev/md2 ?
[18:09] <qman__> I would just 'fsck /dev/md2'
[18:10] <zroysch> working
[18:13] <chocamo> how is xfs on file recovery? thats what ive been using for awhile
[18:14] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1815812
[18:25] <qman__> I've had several xfs filesystems tank unrecoverably
[18:25] <qman__> I suggest against it for important data
[18:26] <zroysch> what is the best for raid
[18:26]  * RoyK likes zfs
[18:26] <zroysch> i use ext3 for everything
[18:26] <qman__> I use ext3 just because it's been the most reliable for me
[18:26] <RoyK> btw, I've been using xfs for years without losing data
[18:26] <qman__> I've never lost significant data due to ext3
[18:27] <zroysch> man. this partition is completely hosed
[18:27] <qman__> xfs is fine as long as your hardware never fails, you never lose power, and you never shut down improperly
[18:27] <qman__> but, when it does break
[18:28] <qman__> at least in my experience
[18:28] <qman__> xfs loses the whole filesystem
[18:28] <qman__> where ext3 and reiser can generally recover with minimal data loss
[18:34] <zroysch> gone beyond  3000 lines of fsck errors
[18:34] <zroysch> great.
[18:36] <RoyK> nice
[18:37] <RoyK> zroysch: raidz with zfs is nice
[18:37] <RoyK> but that's solaris, no idea what's best for linux
[18:37] <RoyK> for storage, I only use opensolaris these days
[18:37] <zroysch> why is it nice.
[18:38] <RoyK> well, linux lvm seems to be at its early teens compared to zfs
[18:38] <RoyK> it's a good filesystem with raid integrated
[18:38] <RoyK> and it's good
[18:38] <zroysch> i dont use lvm, i think
[18:39] <RoyK> copy-on-write and snapshotting integrated
[18:39] <RoyK> it's neat
[18:39] <RoyK> snapshotting without performance overhead is nice
[18:39] <RoyK> fs compression and deduplication is also nice
[18:40] <RoyK> it's not perfect, but still better than anything I've seen in the linux world
[18:40] <zroysch> yea not sure i'm trying to switch operating systems
[18:40] <RoyK> I never switched
[18:40] <RoyK> I merely added another
[18:41] <RoyK> I still use linux for most stuff
[18:41] <zroysch> well i'm not purchasing a new server to try it out
[18:41] <RoyK> zroysch: try it on a vm
[18:41] <zroysch> dont have the time
[18:42] <RoyK> it's like not having the time to sharpen one's axe before chopping wood
[19:17] <zroysch> Restarting e2fsck from the beginning...
[19:17] <zroysch> /dev/md2 contains a file system with errors, check forced.
[19:17] <zroysch> wow
[19:18] <zroysch> after holding enter for like an hour
[19:30] <Blond> hi. anyone have 9.10 encrypted server installed?
[19:37] <Blond> making coffee. be back in 5 if anyone can help w/reboot-after crash on encrypted-server (Karmic).
[20:03] <sherr> zroysch: why did you have to "hold enter" for so long?
[20:15] <zroysch> sherr: because i didnt put the command on whatever makes it automatically press enter
[20:15] <zroysch> wow
[20:15] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1815963
[20:15] <zroysch> not looking good
[20:39] <soren> mdeslaur: Do you have /usr/share/pyshared/VMBuilder/plugins/network ?
[20:39] <mdeslaur> soren: nope
[20:39] <soren> mdeslaur: no?!?!
[20:40] <soren> Oh, wow, nor do I.
[20:40] <mdeslaur> soren: nope
[20:40] <soren> wtf.. It's in the tarball..
[20:40] <soren> Oh, wow!
[20:40] <soren> Uh, yeah, ok. I'll just go ahead and fix that, shall I?
[20:41] <mdeslaur> soren: sure :)
[20:44] <zroysch> does anyone have a live stream for the gold medal match
[20:44] <zroysch> stupid nbc requiring that i login to verizon to prove my cable subscription
[20:44] <soren> "the gold medal match"?
[20:44] <zroysch> yes. ice hockey.
[20:44] <soren> Uh, no. Not in this channel.
[20:44] <zroysch> shall i meet you in another channel
[20:44] <soren> No.
[20:45] <zroysch> so you're speaking on behalf of everyone
[20:45] <soren> Yes.
[20:45] <soren> (!)
[20:45] <zroysch> grand
[20:45] <soren> Dude. This is a support/development channel for Ubuntu Server.
[20:45] <zroysch> chill out.
[20:54] <soren> mdeslaur: ^
[20:55] <mdeslaur> thanks soren, that was fast :)
[20:57] <soren> mdeslaur: Embarassing is what it is :)
[21:03] <MatBoy> ahh ! tried two dynalinks on my ubuntuserver and none works... which did always on older versions !
[21:08] <zroysch> if i'm sick and tired of holding enter in this fsck process can i cancel and restart using the option that auto-enters
[21:13] <johncc> Can anyone give me a pointer to a good resource on configuring wireless interfaces with /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:14] <johncc> Is there any non-X tool that is better for a situation where I have a laptop server with a cardbus ethernet and cardbus wireless interfaces?
[21:14] <johncc> Something like Archlinux's netcfg
[21:20] <johncc> http://paste.debian.net/61877/
[21:23] <johncc> Can anyone give me a pointer to a good resource on configuring wireless interfaces with /etc/network/interfaces ?
[21:25] <johncc> Trying to get a high-res console on GRUB2 seems to violate KISS massively :/
[21:25] <johncc> I suppose they assume everyone will have KMS now
[21:25] <johncc> What was wrong with vga= though