[00:20] <JanC> there are several GUI applications for working with MySQL databases (of course you want to tunnel your database connection through an ssh tunnel or something similar in that case)
[00:23] <maco2> JanC: i dont think phpmyadmin was broken, just elky was not paying attention to the filter she had set
[00:23] <JanC> she was complaining about the phpmyadmin UI
[00:24] <JanC> which made it difficult to see or something
[00:47] <pleia2> updated the forum thread with the voting stuff for IWD
[00:49] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you !
[00:49] <pleia2> we should nudge some admins to change the sticky things
[00:49] <pleia2> sure thing
[00:50] <maco2> admins?
[00:50] <maco2> im i good nuff for you? i'm a moderator
[00:50] <pleia2> sure
[00:50] <pleia2> sorry, I'm not super familiar with the properly terms on the forums, admins, mods, whatever :)
[00:52] <maco2> admins have super powers. we just have powers ;) almost anything that can be done to a thread, a mod can do. to do things like change a username you need an admin
[00:53] <maco2> so what needs unstuck?
[00:54] <maco2> oh leader nominations can unstick
[00:57] <pleia2> and stick IWD
[00:57] <pleia2> yay
[00:57] <maco2> did that
[00:58] <pleia2> thanks maco2 :)
[00:58] <maco2> also deleted a spam in one of the threads
[00:58] <maco2> and banned that user
[00:58] <maco2> (spamming on UF = autoban)
[00:58] <pleia2> great
[01:15] <JanC> *ugh* forum spam is a pest  :-/
[01:20] <rww> maco2: Do you happen to know who I would talk to about the fact that I am an idiot and somehow made two forums accounts?
[01:24] <maco2> rww: jdong
[04:27] <IdleOne> elky: I didn't get any errors when I voted
[10:26] <AlanBell> akgraner: I asked again in #launchpad and they told me to make a question https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/102694
[11:02] <issyl0> Morning all!
[11:20] <jussi01> o)
[13:21] <popey> AlanBell: can an admin of the team not remove it?
[13:22] <popey> AlanBell: akgraner is an admin
[13:22] <Pendulum> popey: she tried yesterday and was told it was a known launchpad bug
[13:22] <Pendulum> (or something like that)
[13:23] <popey> hmmm
[13:24] <Pendulum> I remember her trying and not being able to do it
[13:24] <Pendulum> and I thought she said something about it being a known bug
[13:28] <Pendulum> nope guess not, just no remove button
[13:28] <AlanBell> nope, admins can't remove it
[13:30] <IdleOne> is there a log file I can look at to see what caused my pc to shut down suddenly and without apparent reason?
[13:31] <elky> dmesg?
[13:32] <IdleOne> hmm, anything that is timestamped
[13:32] <IdleOne> ?
[13:34] <elky> /var/log/messages
[13:34] <elky> iirc
[13:34] <elky> yep
[13:34] <elky> mine is doing a lot of whining about pulseaudio...
[13:35] <IdleOne> I'll have a look, thanks elky
[14:11] <akgraner> AlanBell, thanks I was already talking to a LP person to get that taken care of :-), but that will work too
[14:12] <AlanBell> I hit a similar issue a while back with a person who had an account in an odd status
[14:20] <akgraner> yep  - did you see the discussion in the LP channel about looking for ways to do housekeeping on the deletions and merges  so I know it is not a unique issue
[14:24] <AlanBell> I have now
[19:21] <AlanBell> akgraner: I added some error handling to my code
[19:21] <AlanBell> there are 201 members of U-W
[19:22] <AlanBell> 100 of them have signed the CoC
[19:22] <Mamarok> only?
[19:22] <AlanBell> yup, very nearly exactly 50% so I checked it a few times
[19:23] <Mamarok> that is not much...
[19:23] <akgraner> AlanBell, I bet that is not unusual...
[19:23] <Mamarok> well, I would have expected that at least the u-w members would have signed the Code of Conduct, no?
[19:24] <Mamarok> since we expect people to stick to it
[19:24] <AlanBell> now this bit is interesting
[19:25] <AlanBell> of those who have signed the CoC, the average number of days from joining launchpad to joining U-W is 418.89
[19:25] <AlanBell> of those who have not it is 164.57 days
[19:25] <Mamarok> strange
[19:26] <akgraner> I don't find it surprising considering the mailing lists work that way as well but many people don't realize the CoC applies to those as well
[19:26] <Mamarok> I am pretty sure I joined u-w faster than that
[19:26] <AlanBell> I can explain it, it is interesting
[19:26] <AlanBell> the blokes in U-W are those who have stuck about for a while and are involved in many areas of Ubuntu before they get to supporting this particular project
[19:27] <AlanBell> the women who get interested in Ubuntu join this group earlier in their time of participation
[19:27] <AlanBell> but I haven't done a gender breakdown, so that is just me guessing
[19:27] <IdleOne> fair guess I would say
[19:28] <akgraner> AlanBell, I was going to ask you if that was the case.. as I joined U-W within a few days of signing the CoC iirc
[19:28] <maco2> sounds reasonable
[19:28] <AlanBell> akgraner: 10 days to be precise!
[19:28] <maco2> a lot more new women than new men
[19:28] <AlanBell> ah, no 10 days from joining launchpad
[19:29] <AlanBell> I don't have the date of signature
[19:29] <akgraner> I thought I signed the CoC right after I joined - the same say I believe
[19:29] <akgraner> s/say/day but anywho
[19:29] <AlanBell> akgraner: you may well have done, I don't have data on that, or whether people joined before/after signing
[19:30] <AlanBell> but that does fairly conclusively answer the question of whether it is possible to join the group without signing the CoC
[19:31] <AlanBell> akgraner: but yes, you joined the U-W group 10 days after registering on launchpad, not many men would do that I think
[19:31] <akgraner> nope neither would I if MagicFab had not told me about the group
[19:32] <akgraner> last year I asked people both male and female at events if they were aware of UW... and unless they knew someone who was a member they were not aware of it for the most part
[19:32] <AlanBell> wow, 55 people joined on the same day as they registered on launchpad
[19:32] <Pendulum> I'm not surprised
[19:33] <Pendulum> UW was I think the first group I joined
[19:33] <akgraner> however, I was told that more people are now aware that the Project exists
[19:33] <akgraner> at SCaLE I meant to add to that
[19:33]  * Mamarok can't even remember when she joined, but it was a long time ago
[19:34] <Mamarok> must have been around UDS Paris
[19:34] <AlanBell> I am the 4th longest in duration from join to join, at 1391 days
[19:35] <AlanBell> bit curious as to what on earth I was doing on launchpad in 2006 to be honest
[19:36] <maco2> AlanBell: those 55 may have been told "go join lp so you can join the uw team"
[19:36] <AlanBell> maco2: I expect so, possibly some for the recent voting process
[19:37] <akgraner> I am thinking that - if we raise awareness by a series of campaigns at the events this next year  - that might be the 1st steps to get 1) enrollment 2)actvity 3)contribution 4) mentors 5) as a side effect of those 4 things ubuntu membership will increase
[19:37] <Pendulum> actually, if you look at join dates, very few people joined at that time
[19:37] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uwteam.ods
[19:38] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uwlist.py
[19:38] <pleia2> akgraner: yeah
[19:38] <AlanBell> akgraner: yes, ubuntu membership is a side effect of everything else the project does
[19:39] <akgraner> so what event(s) are happening in March?
[19:39] <akgraner> April is Northwest and Texas
[19:39] <pleia2> it's nice to keep an eye on metrics to know how we're doing and where to target, but most energy should be put toward those things
[19:40] <AlanBell> exactly
[19:40] <maco2> june is southwest and september is ohio
[19:40] <maco2> may is party-like-hell-cuz-lucid's-out
[19:41] <pleia2> where is that page we made for who is attending what?
[19:41] <akgraner> and hopefully Atlanta will be in Sep as well...
[19:41] <akgraner> so looking at -M as some goals it would be raise awareness and see what we can do at events in 2010
[19:43] <akgraner> and see about refining the mentorship program and relaunch it in a BIG way
[19:44] <pleia2> ah, under events
[19:44] <akgraner> also I would like to have an Ubuntu Women Blog Post - not like the one we already contribute to on the planet but it is only about the project and things we are doing..  I'd like to kick that off for -M as well  (I'll add all this to the suggestions for goals)
[19:44] <pleia2> nothing in march so far http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/2010CommunityEvents
[19:45]  * akgraner goes to check FOSSevents
[19:47] <akgraner> Theres a few things on the Calendar there...
[19:47] <pleia2> hm our Events page in general needs help
[19:47]  * pleia2 tidys
[19:47] <akgraner> also as a plug for the FOSSevents calendar if you have LoCo meetings and or LUG meetings you can send those in to be added to the Calendar as well
[19:47] <maco2> did we decide to talk to canonical folk about getting a wordpress for the team and to the CC about allowing the team blog to be on planet (like the qa team has)?
[19:47] <akgraner> pleia2, yeah I added it in a hurry :-(  thank you
[19:49] <akgraner> why would we need to talk to Canonical about it a team blog on the planet?
[19:50] <AlanBell> depends on the planet
[19:50] <akgraner> as long as more than one person as access to the blog and can help maintain it...
[19:51] <pleia2> did people commit to writing on a blog?
[19:51] <pleia2> that's the biggest problem with such things
[19:51] <akgraner> I would like to stand it up get a week or so of posts on it  - then see about moving it to the planet once we get a system worked out
[19:51] <maco2> akgraner: it was talk to canonical about hosting wordpress
[19:52] <maco2> akgraner: and talk to CC about letting a team blog on which non-ubuntu-members may post be aggregated on planet
[19:52] <AlanBell> I would suggest the U-W planet to begin with until you have sufficient valuable content on it to consider syndication on planet ubuntu
[19:52] <pleia2> AlanBell: aggregating one planet to another is bad news :)
[19:52] <AlanBell> err, no I didn't mean that!
[19:52] <pleia2> plus it means personal entries of non-members end up on ubuntu planet, the CC would never go for that
[19:52] <akgraner> maco2, I think you are misunderstanding what I was suggesting
[19:53] <maco2> pleia2: i think he means team blog aggregated on uw planet at first then move it to ubuntu planet
[19:53] <pleia2> maco2: ah
[19:53] <maco2> akgraner: you asked "why would we need to talk to Canonical about it a team blog on the planet?"
[19:53] <maco2> akgraner: i was saying the thing to talk to canonical about would be "can you install wordpress for us?"
[19:53] <pleia2> I guess the point of that is the u-w planet already has readership and our potential blog does not?
[19:53] <akgraner> my suggestion was a blog, called Ubuntu Women Project about what events and things we are doing as a team
[19:54] <maco2> akgraner: makes sense to me
[19:54] <maco2> akgraner: but of course blogs require software, so i was saying "convince canonical to host it" ;)
[19:54] <pleia2> canonical will host drupal, which we can use for a blog
[19:55] <akgraner> not like what we have now
[19:55] <pleia2> and wordpress is in the ubuntu repo, so we *might* be able to convince them to host it
[19:55] <maco2> akgraner: im not talking about doing anything to planet
[19:55] <maco2> pleia2: someone in -sysadmin said they could do it, but we have to ask first before they *will* do it
[19:55] <pleia2> I have a linode-donated-to-ubuntu-stuff that could also be used for blog.ubuntu-women.org
[19:56] <pleia2> (it already hosts ubuntupennsylvania.org and ubuntu-us.org)
[19:56] <akgraner> We can host here as well - with Wordpress so I don't think space will be the issue
[19:56] <maco2> akgraner: bah i mean "im not talking about doing anything to planet ubuntu women"
[19:56] <akgraner> maco2, I knew what you meant
[19:56] <akgraner> :-)
[19:57] <pleia2> as for going to the CC, that would be a step in several months once we've proven we can sustained a quality blog
[19:57] <pleia2> -d
[19:57] <akgraner> ok so I'll add the blog suggestions to the agenda for Tuesday is that cool...
[19:57] <maco2> akgraner: i meant that if some of the people who volunteer to write for the UW blog are not ubuntu members yet (and for example using it as a way to gain membership) we may need to ask the CC for permission to put the UW blog up onto planet ubuntu
[19:57] <maco2> akgraner: yrp
[19:57] <maco2> *yep
[19:58] <pleia2> all teams need to get CC permission to put a blog on the planet, regardless of who posts to it
[19:58] <maco2> ah ok
[19:59] <akgraner> I was going to add sections on my new blog that I am rolling out - for the teams and projects I am involved in, and as I was setting it up I thought a UW blog would be a cool thing
[20:00] <akgraner> and other people know how to write things better than I do
[20:00] <pleia2> maco2: was a blog something discussed at a meeting?
[20:00] <akgraner> nope not yet
[20:00] <pleia2> should probably toss it on the agenda, maybe start a thread on the mailing list
[20:00] <akgraner> yep - I was just seeing what people thought about it in here
[20:01] <Pendulum> akgraner: would it go under the PR team heading?
[20:02] <Pendulum> or be separate?
[20:02] <akgraner> Pendulum, I would think it would follow that line of thought
[20:02]  * akgraner ponders
[20:02] <akgraner> yeah just add it there
[20:02] <akgraner> we have 8 weeks or so til -M plenty of time to iron it out
[20:03] <pleia2> gah, 8 weeks? where has the time gone :)
[20:04] <maco2> wow thats it? jeez
[20:04] <akgraner> yeah crazy uh
[20:04] <akgraner> time flies when you are having fun :-)
[20:05] <pleia2> or moving :)
[20:05] <akgraner> yeah that too.. are you adjusted yet?
[20:06]  * pleia2 sighs at all the boxes
[20:06] <pleia2> it's going to take a while
[20:07]  * pleia2 learned yesterday that her boyfriend has 15 boxes of unsorted-to-be-filed mail in storage that needs to be handled
[20:07] <akgraner> AlanBell, sorry we just digressed didn't we - so about those numbers - I'd like to keep track of all those  - do you need someone to help you with that?  or do you want to keep tracking it all since you set it up?
[20:08] <pleia2> that said, I am starting to have time for Ubuntu stuff again, so I'd be happy to pick up some tasks again
[20:08] <akgraner> or is there someone that you would like to work with you on all that - I don't want to assume that you *want*  or have time to do that..:-)
[20:09] <AlanBell> digression is good
[20:10] <AlanBell> I would like someone else to help with the numbers, I don't think it is optimal being just me
[20:17] <akgraner> AlanBell, thanks for starting and maintaining the metrics.. :-)  hopefully a few folks can help you with that
[20:18] <akgraner> pleia2, hehe I am sure we can add to your TODO list :-)
[20:20] <akgraner> pleia2, I sent you something :-P
[20:20] <akgraner> see PM
[20:46]  * Tm_T huggles AlanBell and akgraner