[00:06] <neversfelde> Quintasan: around?
[00:07] <Lex79> neversfelde: he's sleeping
[00:07] <neversfelde> k
[01:53] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: can you mark "won't fix" this bug 525367 ? thx
[01:56] <ScottK> Lex79: Why?  I thought it exposed some attica headers when built against it?
[01:59] <Lex79> ScottK: pusling won't fix, I commented in the bug about why
[01:59] <ScottK> OK
[01:59] <Lex79> maybe we can investigate a bit more, but Debian won't fix
[02:01] <Lex79> JontheEchidna do it in the silent mode lol
[08:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: new plan: kde-l10n-common + special script = replace certain templates in the common branch, merge it with the target source, get package
[08:29] <apachelogger> that also makes deploying changes easier since there is only one central place where stuff gets changed
[08:54] <jetdrone> i've created a usb stick for alpha3 with usbcreator from kubuntu 9.10 but the installer crashes on start everytime on a dell latitude d620 laptop
[09:00] <dpm> hey apachelogger, JontheEchidna, good morning. Now that you are mentioning kde-l10n-*, I've been tracking bug 529483, and something seems to create invalid POT templates when building the packages. Any ideas what it could be and if it could affect more packages than the 3 ones mentioned in the bug?
[09:05] <apachelogger> dpm: pots are generated by kde-pkg-tools, so it most likely is a bug in our infrastructure
[09:05] <apachelogger> I am just not sure where, because I do not think it is the scripts themselfs, I only recently synced them with what upstream uses for pot creation :S
[09:06] <dpm> ok, thanks apachelogger, I think at least I'll open a task on kde-pkg-tools to track this in the meantime
[09:06] <apachelogger> dpm: ok, I'll look at it ASAP
[09:07] <dpm> thanks a lot
[09:07]  * apachelogger doesnt even remember how to create for loop in bash Oo
[09:07] <dpm> :)
[09:08] <apachelogger> I haven't done serious bash scripting in years :)
[09:12] <Riddell> morning all
[09:12] <Riddell> coming from the top of Canonical Tower in sunny London today
[09:13] <apachelogger> morning Riddell, greetings to all and everyone :)
[09:15] <apachelogger> oh my
[09:16] <apachelogger> seems like bzr-builddeb at least on karmic does not like tar.bz2 -.-
[10:22] <jetdrone> hey guys, how does one debug the kubuntu installer? I've a usb stick that crashes at startup everytime I run the kubuntu lucid alpha3 installer? How can i run it from a command line and see the logs or whatever could help to identify the issue?
[11:05] <Riddell> jetdrone: hi
[11:05] <Riddell> jetdrone: logs are in /var/log/messages and /var/log/installer/
[11:06] <Riddell> jetdrone: check http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 it has a few known bugs for ubiquity
[11:06] <Riddell> you run ubiquity on the command line by the way but the output still goes to the logs
[11:06] <jetdrone> thanks, will look into it
[11:07] <Riddell> jetdrone: crashes at startup or on the first page change?
[11:07] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: first page change as in?
[11:07] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: i could go till partitioning
[11:08] <Riddell> when you click Next to go from the alpha warning to the language page
[11:08] <Riddell> it's intermittent, doesn't happen every time
[11:08] <jetdrone> on the first page change
[11:08] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yeah i could do that....crashes on manual partition though
[11:08] <Riddell> it looks hard to debug, it's a segfault not a python crash so it's something
[11:08] <jetdrone> everytime i run it i get the same crash
[11:08] <Riddell> something in pyqt or qt
[11:09] <Riddell> I think it's due to the new integrated progress bar that shtylman_ added
[11:09] <Riddell> so i guess the first thing to do would be see what happens if you rip out that code and go back to the progressDialog
[11:09]  * shadeslayer_ goes back to watching Heroes S1
[11:14] <jetdrone> from the messages if only logs that it is about to switch page and then page switched, from the installer log i only see  trying to create local folders that fail and locks failed to be acquired
[11:14] <jetdrone> and then qcrash
[11:22] <jetdrone> ok I get the same logs as bug source ubiquity #526534
[11:44] <Riddell> jetdrone: I think the tactic would be to remove the new progress bar code and see if that fixes it
[11:44] <Riddell> then we can either just drop that or dig further in to find the bit that causes the problem
[11:44] <Riddell> and moan to pyqt or pykde developers or whatever
[11:55] <freeflying> alpha3 works fine for you all? I did a fresh install with alpha3 on my desktop, it can't even drop me into console
[11:56] <freeflying> its a nvidia chipset based desktop with built-in nvidia graphic
[12:01] <Riddell> sounds like plymouth breakage
[12:01] <Tm_T> I don't even see plymouth other than quick flash
[12:03] <jussi01> can someone advise me how to replace lilo with grub2 on lucid?  is it as simplas as apt-get remove --pur  and apt-get install? or?
[12:05] <Tm_T> jussi01: or just installing grub2, I think it should conflict with lilo & others
[12:05] <jussi01> Tm_T: right. grub2 wouldnt install on initial install, so I had to use lilo, all good, but lilo sucks and i want my grub back. :)
[12:28] <freeflying> Riddell: purge plymouth won'r make it work as well
[12:29] <freeflying> jussi01: grub-install
[12:29] <jussi01> freeflying: hrm?
[12:30] <jussi01> grub isnt installed as yet at all
[12:30] <freeflying> jussi01: can you install it manually?
[12:30] <Riddell> freeflying: could be the KMS stuff in general
[12:31] <jussi01> freeflying: yes, of course, Im just checking if there are any little "niggly" things I need to do. :)
[12:31] <Riddell> try turning off KMS at grub, nomodesetting or something is the option
[12:35] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, seems like kms of nouveau's problem
[13:44] <apachelogger> dpm: have a fix for the pot creation
[13:45] <apachelogger> will take a couple of hours until I can QA it though
[13:45]  * apachelogger is on campus until 19 UTC or so
[13:49] <dpm> ah, awesome apachelogger. Thanks for keeping me up-to-date, and I hope you had fun remembering your old bash scripting days ;)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> hey has anyone try and compile kdebindings 4.4?
[14:30] <Riddell> yes
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does it?
[14:32] <Riddell> yes although it was blocked on mono this weekend past I believe
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ive done : sudo apt-get builddep kdebindings-kde4,that should bring in all build deps i believe.. right?
[14:33] <Riddell> no it's "kdebindings" now
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: on karmic
[14:33] <Riddell> likewise
[14:34] <Lex79> someone kicked out mono from New, now buids fine
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apt-cache search kdebindings results in 3 hits,debug,java bindings and -kde
[14:35] <Riddell> that doesn't search for source packages.  the source package is kdebindings
[14:35] <shadeslayer> oh..
[14:36] <shadeslayer> so itll build... on karmic after i pull in the build-deps via that command
[14:37] <Riddell> if you have the correct packaging
[14:37] <Riddell> ** karmic testers for 4.4.1 needed
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ill help!
[14:37] <Riddell> do you know the ninjas PPA line?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> not before tommorow though :P
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um nop
[14:38] <Riddell> needs tested today, release is tomorrow
[14:38] <shadeslayer> oh... ill be going to the uni tomorrow... i can test only tommorow :(
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Bandwidth constraints
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are the bindings fixed in 4.4.1?
[14:39] <Riddell> fixed?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> i mean will it be upgraded to 4.4.1 from 4.3.5
[14:40] <Riddell> there have been 4.4.0 packages for a while for that
[14:40] <shadeslayer> um... where?
[14:40] <Riddell> see kubuntu.org
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: a bit more specifc would help :)
[14:46] <Riddell> "KDE SC 4.4 Packages Available"
[14:47]  * shadeslayer wonders how the backports repo left out
[14:47] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: kdebindings - 4:4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa3 is in backports ppa
[14:47] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: yeah,i thought i had that repo....
[14:48] <shadeslayer> since i have kde 4.4
[14:49] <shadeslayer> no upgrades,no package by that name 0_o
[14:49] <shadeslayer> have a look : http://pastebin.ca/1817184
[14:50] <shadeslayer> i think since the lpia build failed,it didnt use that package
[14:51] <freeflying> Riddell: kimpanel-ibus can't work out of box under lucid, but fine under karmic :)
[14:52] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: so how do i force a download?
[14:52] <Riddell> freeflying: sigh, there's no difference.  is it a different version of ibus?
[14:53] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, ibus got upgraded
[14:53] <freeflying> Riddell: all configuration are fine, you need re-run ibus-daemon manually
[14:54] <Riddell> freeflying: fooey.  so we need to find out if there is a maintainer for kimpanel-ibus and see if he has plans to update to the new version
[14:54] <Riddell> freeflying: I'm not very impressed with the upgrade compatibility from ibus
[14:54] <Riddell> that's the trouble with dbus interfaces over library interfaces, nobody cares about versioning
[14:54] <freeflying> heh
[14:55] <freeflying> suppose I won't have time for it recently
[14:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i see that the ppa has the kdebindings but apt doesnt want to download them and refuses to even acknowledge them in the sources
[15:00] <Riddell> "kdebindings" isn't a binary package
[15:01] <shadeslayer> then?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> meta package?
[15:01] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: force a download?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: i mean how do i install kdebindings 4.4?
[15:02] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: add the repo and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:02] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: doesnt show meta package kdebindings
[15:02] <shadeslayer> nor does it show upgrades
[15:03] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: see above, it isn't a binary package
[15:03] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ok,i get it,but since its a meta package,sudo apt-get install kdebindings should install it right?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> install all the stuff it pulls in i mean
[15:04] <neversfelde> it is a meta package?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> if it isnt a binary package,itll be a meta package right?
[15:06] <Riddell> 15:00 < Riddell> "kdebindings" isn't a binary package
[15:06] <shadeslayer> what is it then?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> source package?
[15:07] <Riddell> mm hmm
[15:30] <rgreening> What's the best way to upgrade from KARMIC to LUCID now? I have tried update-notifier-kde -d but it fails (complains about unable to remove update-notifier-kde I belive).
[15:30] <rgreening> Riddell:  ^
[15:31] <Riddell> we've done zero testing on that so far I'm afraid
[15:31] <Riddell> do-release-upgrade -d  ?
[15:36] <Tm_T> umm, Konqueror is still the default web browser in Kubuntu?
[15:36] <Riddell> mm hmm
[15:36] <Riddell> rekonq is looking nicer and nicer though
[15:37] <Riddell> wondering if we should invite a rekonq guy to UDS
[15:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, though I'm worried of lacking menu- and statusbar
[15:37] <Tm_T> I use them both frequently
[15:37] <Riddell> what for?
[15:38] <Riddell> the search box seems like the obvious missing element to me
[15:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: menubar for keyboard access (I keep it hidden when I don't need it) and statusbar tells information what tooltips cannot, like to where some links points to and so on
[15:38] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll try that
[15:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: otherwise, it looks (mostly) good
[15:39] <Riddell> Tm_T: it has a label which appears at the bottom with the link URL
[15:39] <Riddell> line Chromium does
[15:40] <Riddell> like
[15:40] <Riddell> allee: don't let me forget that nepomuk patch
[15:41] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmh, didn't do it for me everytime
[15:41] <Riddell> sounds like a bug
[15:45] <Tm_T> anyway, I would love to have option to show the statusbar all the time, I'm weird I know
[15:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: reason I was asking, was "Not a single one of the major distributions ships Konqueror as
[15:50] <Tm_T> default browser anymore. I think that says all."
[15:50] <Tm_T> in http://markmail.org/message/tuxnlj3wkiyar7hy#query:+page:1+mid:qluyyrjnmczuubwa+state:results
[15:51] <allee> Riddell: okay.  So 1st reminder :)  bug #529021
[15:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: besides Frank forgetting one obvious major distribution I agree, that's why i wanted arora for jaunty but others didn't
[15:52] <Riddell> allee: trueg commented that something was wrong with the version on reviewboard, did you notice that?
[15:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm still against having Arora as default browser, one big reason is that it doesn't follow KDE language settings at all
[15:53] <Riddell> so hopefully rekonq will be the answer
[15:54] <Riddell> allee: of course you can add it to bzr yourself you know?
[15:56] <rgreening> Riddel: An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[15:56] <rgreening> The package 'update-manager-kde' is marked for removal but it is in
[15:56] <rgreening> the removal blacklist.
[15:58] <Riddell> aah
[15:58] <Riddell> that'll be in a blacklist to stop it being removed but now we do want to remove it because it's not used in lucid
[16:00] <ScottK> Personally, I don't see a lot of benifit in switching browsers.  No matter what we switch to that's not Firefox, people will use Firefox because more web sites work with it.  People used to develop web sites for IE, now they mostly develop for IE and Firefox.
[16:00] <allee> Riddell: No had not seen it.   I look at it once more tonight     About commit:  lp:~kubuntu-member/kderun-time or something like that?
[16:00] <Riddell> allee: bzr co lp:~kubuntu-member/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu
[16:00] <allee> Riddell: thx
[16:00] <Riddell> edit; bzr add <files>; bzr diff; bzr commit
[16:01] <Tm_T> ScottK: heh, Firefox simply doesn't work here, so I'm happily living without it
[16:02] <Riddell> people develop websites for webkit too, anyone at all competant knows to check that works
[16:02] <Riddell> rgreening: dunno where that blacklist is, let's ask mvo
[16:02]  * Lex79 agrees with ScottK
[16:03] <ScottK> What's the market share of webkit browsers?
[16:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: there's no reliable way to measure
[16:04] <davmor2> Riddell: don't forget the magic online checker
[16:04] <Riddell> webkit browser share is probably about the same as mac desktop share
[16:05] <Riddell> but there's enough safari and chrome users out there that web designers care about it
[16:07] <ScottK> Looks like ~10% these days so likely so.
[16:07] <ScottK> Although there were lots of designers that didn't care about FF when it was at 10%.
[16:10] <Riddell> lucid and karmic testers still needed for 4.4.1
[16:11] <ejat> Riddell: 4.4.1 available?
[16:12] <Riddell> for testers
[16:12] <ejat> is it in ninjas ?
[16:12] <Riddell> yes
[16:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: it's safe to assume that no powepc-packages in ppa whatsoever?
[16:24] <Riddell> correct
[16:24] <Tm_T> I blame you, jussi01 (;
[16:26] <Tm_T> ...I actually have to figure out why Xorg in Lucid doesn't see/use keyboards
[17:38]  * shtylman_ wants iphone support in amarok now that rythmbox has it :)
[17:38] <Tm_T> shtylman_: what kind of support you mean?
[17:39] <shtylman_> Tm_T: to be able to add songs
[17:39] <Tm_T> from/to iphone?
[17:39] <shtylman_> right now I have to use a vm
[17:39] <ScottK> Ooooh.  Yes please.  I think iPhone support would imply iPod Touch support too.  I'd like some of that.
[17:39] <shtylman_> yea
[17:39] <shtylman_> ScottK: yea... I think it would
[17:39] <Tm_T> hmmm, gtkpod is the key there?
[17:40] <shtylman_> Tm_T: I don't think it is
[17:40] <shtylman_> Tm_T: http://www.osnews.com/story/22942/Ubuntu_10_04_To_Support_iPhone_iPod_Touch_
[17:40] <shtylman_> I think there are different libraries now
[17:41] <Tm_T> hmmm
[21:08] <apachelogger> dpm: ping ping
[21:09] <apachelogger> no dpm :(
[21:10] <dpm> apachelogger, on a meeting, so I might not be too responsive, but If I can help, just shoot :)
[21:11] <apachelogger> dpm: can you somehow query for all templates that are affected by the broken-pot bug?
[21:11] <apachelogger> dpm: I have a fix ready to be uploaded... but we need to rebuild all affected packages with new pkg-kde-tools AND run tight QA on new pot uploads
[21:12] <apachelogger> the fix includes all new versions of some KDE l10n scripts that were last synced in jaunty, so there might be issues
[21:13] <apachelogger> on a positive side: I now made it easier to sync the scripts in pkg-kde-tools, which should help prevent such things form happening again
[21:15] <dpm> apachelogger, hmm, I'm not sure how to query on that. I've got a list of all template names from LP, but that's all. What I can do is to ask the Rosetta devs if they could run a query to check the content of templates, but I'm not sure how to do it before having spoken to them. Is there a particular string that could help us identify the broken templates? I could also do a visual inspection: in Catalan I know all KDE templates are translated, so if we
[21:15] <dpm> recently have gotten some untranslated due to the bug, I could perhaps identify them
[21:16] <dpm> i.e. I mean something that is common to all broken templates?
[21:19] <apachelogger> dpm: every string that at least contains "<[string,layout,widget,item,property]" should be looked at
[21:20] <dpm> ok, that might be a start, I'll talk to them tomorrow when they're back
[21:23] <apachelogger> dpm: k, thanks, I'll upload the fixed pkg-kde-tools meanwhile
[21:24] <dpm> cool, ta
[21:24] <apachelogger> dpm: please inform the translators to watch out for problems
[21:24] <apachelogger> though I do not suppose there will be any :)
[21:25] <neversfelde> ScottK: ping
[21:25] <dpm> yeah, I'll have to tell them to watch out not to translate the current translators anyway
[21:25] <ScottK> neversfelde: Pong
[21:25] <apachelogger> dpm: true :)
[21:25] <neversfelde> ScottK: If you have a minute, would you have a look at bug 530172
[21:25] <ScottK> Sure.
[21:25] <neversfelde> ScottK: thanks
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: to sync l10n scripts in pkg-kde-tools use l10nsync from debian/rules, findfiles needs manually merge...the function prints a reminder about that
[21:26] <apachelogger> Riddell, dpm: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-kde-tools/0.6.4ubuntu4
[21:27] <ScottK> neversfelde: I'll approve it if you agree to work to get it in Debian and maintain it there.
[21:27] <neversfelde> ScottK: yes, I will do it
[21:27] <ScottK> OK.
[21:27] <neversfelde> it is already on my ToDo
[21:31] <blueyed> Is there a way to get the currently selected profile from powerdevil via dbus? there's setProfile, but not getProfile.. see "qdbus org.kde.powerdevil /modules/powerdevil". Am I missing something?
[21:34] <apachelogger> blueyed: I don't think there is a way
[21:35] <blueyed> ok, I'll file a wishlist items with bko then.
[21:36] <apachelogger> blueyed: you might want to poke drf in #kde-devel with that bug, if he is around and the code design is appropriate adding such a dbus interface doesnt take more than a couple of minutes
[21:38] <apachelogger> yay
[21:38] <apachelogger> bzr builddeb in lucid supports orig.tar.bz2
[21:39] <apachelogger> meh
[21:39] <apachelogger> bash scripting is so boring
[21:39] <apachelogger> http://www.goldb.org/goldblog/cmg_images/real_programmers_binary.jpg
[21:41] <blueyed> he's not around, apachelogger. Thanks. Filed as 229074
[21:45] <nixternal> Quintasan|Szel: bug 500218 - this is fixed for you too now right? I know all 3 of my machines it is working again, qemu that is
[22:55] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[22:55] <apachelogger> I am quite awesome if I might say so ;)
[22:55] <Riddell> true true
[22:55] <neversfelde> hehe
[22:59] <neversfelde> uh new kdepimlibs and kdepim tarballs
[22:59] <neversfelde> Lex79: as far as I understand a new kmldonkey tarball will be available after 4.4.1 is released
[22:59] <neversfelde> on ktown
[23:25] <apachelogger> that bash is becoming so weird I could just as well have implemented it in ruby :P
[23:26] <neversfelde> meh, blogilo is pulled in on every update from the backports-ppa
[23:27] <neversfelde> it Replaces: bilbo (<< 0:1.0)
[23:27] <neversfelde> what's wrong there?
[23:28] <apachelogger> neversfelde: only if bilbo is installed or also without it?
[23:28] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I cannot test, one moment
[23:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: it does not matter if bilbo is installed or not, blogilo is reinstalled on every upgrade
[23:35] <apachelogger> that is interesting though
[23:42] <apachelogger> neversfelde: maybe it just hates you :P
[23:43] <apachelogger> hm
[23:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I am not sure that Replaces: bilbo (<< 0:1.0) is a good idea
[23:44] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, the backports beta ppa is my friend, backports ppa is jealous
[23:44] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I added the 0: some time ago, because it was 1.0 before
[23:44] <apachelogger> 0:1.0 technically == 1.0
[23:44] <apachelogger> but I am not sure 0:1.0 is a correct notation
[23:45] <neversfelde> seems that it is not
[23:45] <persia> It is correct, but completely pointless.
[23:45] <persia> 0: is implied by the absence of epoch
[23:46] <apachelogger> then why do all packagemanagers want to upgrade the package :P
[23:46]  * apachelogger doesnt see any other weirdness in the control file and goes checking if something is wrong on soyuz' side
[23:48] <apachelogger> hm, nothing weird there
[23:52] <apachelogger> neversfelde, persia: aptitude shows the replaces of the installed version as 0:1.0 and the one it wants to install as 1.0
[23:52]  * apachelogger would try removing the 0 honestly
[23:52] <apachelogger> maybe there is an implementation bug
[23:53] <persia> That sounds like an implementation bug.  "0:" is supposed to be implied by the absence of an epoch according to 5.1.12
[23:53] <neversfelde> apachelogger: that would introduce the old overwirte problem again
[23:53] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why?
[23:54] <neversfelde> apachelogger: blogilo tries to overwirte someting that is in bilbo, dunno the details anymore
[23:54] <apachelogger> neversfelde: replaces (<< 4:4.4.0)
[23:55] <neversfelde> apachelogger: k, I'll try
[23:55] <apachelogger> if that does not work, then your packaging is bugged :P
[23:57] <neversfelde> seems that after I wrote Moto, everything that I do is broken or breaks something
[23:57] <neversfelde> that is what I call bad karma :D
[23:57] <apachelogger> well deserved :P
[23:58] <neversfelde> Riddell: when do you start uploading 4.4.1 to lucid? The same bug is in bzr I think.