[00:13] good morning / evening everyone [00:15] heya [00:16] hey bryceh, how are you? [00:17] chrisccoulson, peachy [00:17] good :) [00:17] chrisccoulson, hacking on gtg code this sunday afternoon :-) [00:18] cool! gtg looks quite interesting [00:20] yeah, there is a major new refactoring which really speeds it up a lot for large numbers of tasks [00:21] I've been testing and reporting bugs on it, sounds like it'll go in pretty soon [00:22] i've just installed it to try it out :) [00:22] ooh, it integrates with hamster [00:23] chrisccoulson, there's a plugin I made to import our blueprint workitems ('import_json'). But by now you probably have no remaining wi's :-) [00:23] i don't think i had too many to start with ;) [00:25] Has the couchdb backend for gtg gone in yet? [00:26] RAOF, not yet, the aforementioned refactoring is a pre-requisite to that [00:27] Ok. I'll stay with lucid's packaged version for now then. [00:27] the devs are going to start work on backend development once this is merged in, and I think couchdb is at the top of the list for backends [00:31] Bah. I incautiously hit enter in a terminal and triggered that annoying plymouth bug :/ [00:32] i just ended up uninstalling plymouth [00:32] because of that ;) [00:33] I like to keep a certain amount of friction installed, so it doesn't get lost. Also, it's hard to test seamless plymouth->X transitions without having plymouth installed :) [00:33] yeah, that's true [00:33] unfortunately, it makes my laptop virtually unusable, and i still need to able to get some things done with it [00:34] It only happens once per boot for me, which is not so annoying that I need to uninstall plymouth. [00:34] does anyone understand what causes it? [00:35] because i noticed that all my keyboard input is routed to the VT that X is running on when i have plymouth installed [00:35] Sarvatt has a theory about plymouth fiddling with the VT flags and not unfiddling with them, so that the enter key ends up sending X SIGQUIT. [00:43] IMO we really shouldn't have switched to plymouth for lucid. [00:44] +1 :) [00:47] the quit signal is definitely getting sent from the tty layer - http://paste.ubuntu.com/382615/ other distros are getting around it by having plymouth running on another VT [00:48] RAOF: that plymouth where I made it stop setting ISIG on the VT didn't work I take it? [00:48] Sarvatt: No, that didn't fix it. [00:57] Hmm, that wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Lucid/FeaturedApps) is becoming a bit cloggy, I did some categorising (&adding) but I don't know.. [01:12] hey, while I was eating a sandwich, gtg 0.2.2 was released [01:12] do we need FFe's for packages in universe? [01:12] bryceh: you should eat sandwiches more often [01:13] bryceh: Yes, but only if they're feature releases - if 0.2.2 is a bugfix only, you just need to document it in a bug and upload. [01:13] it was a good sandwich [01:14] RAOF, it's mostly bugfix but has several features added (including the import_json plugin) [01:14] and libindicator [01:14] Oh, sweet. [01:15] Well that should have (and should get) an FFe. [01:29] gtg ffe: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtg/+bug/529789 [01:29] Launchpad bug 529789 in gtg "ffe for gtg 0.2.2-1" [Undecided,New] [07:14] good morning [07:14] didrocks: Good morning! [07:14] hey RAOF ;) [07:14] Well, late afternoon :) [07:14] heh, sure for you :) [07:14] I am from the future! [07:51] Good morning [07:52] dpm: jaunty/karmic cronjobs disabled [07:52] hey pitti, enjoying your long week-end? :) [07:53] heya pitti, good morning, welcome back and thanks for coming back to me on that :) [07:55] didrocks: it was great, thanks! how are you? [07:55] dpm: you're welcome [07:55] RAOF: welcome! how was your first day? [07:56] pitti: lots of wind and bad weather. Consequently, stayed at home and rest ;) [07:57] pitti: Pretty good. I've got a plan to make nouveau rock by first getting inundated by bugs and then fixing them all like a madman. [07:57] wind> I noticed, our train connection took two hours longer than planned [07:57] RAOF: that sounds like a hercules project [07:57] And the IS team should be getting in to work soon, so I should have access to the wiki any time now ;) [07:59] pitti: but you finally arrived, that's what matter :) In France, there are a lot of damages (1 million homes without electricity yesterday, still 500 000 today) [07:59] didrocks: ouch [08:00] Woah. That must suck, particularly in winter! [08:01] yeah :/ [08:05] fortunately it just became sprint [08:05] spring [08:05] (which is also the reason for the storms to begin) [08:12] Mmm, the smell of lasagne says “dinner time until London gets in to the office”! [08:13] good morning everyone [08:14] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [08:14] hey pitti - did you have a good weekend? [08:14] hey chrisccoulson! [08:14] hey didrocks! [08:15] chrisccoulson: yes, it was wonderful; good mix of sightseeing, sauna, massage, nice dinner, and Claude Shannon museum [08:18] good stuff [08:18] was anybody affected by the storms this weekend? [08:20] took us two hours and two train changes more to get home, but nothing serious [08:21] chrisccoulson: not really affected in Paris apart from the bad weather and some sign board no more in their usual place :) but some parts of France are heavily damaged [08:21] didrocks - yeah, i saw on the news over the weekend. it looks quite bad towards the west :( [08:23] pitti - i'm not sure if you saw my message yesterday (about gnome-user-share) [08:23] chrisccoulson: I did; on my list [08:23] excellent, thanks :) [08:23] chrisccoulson: I'm going to reinstall the mini with the current daily first [08:23] usb-creator is grinding === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter [08:26] pitti, I've got a couple of questions re bug 525726. Gwibber is not translatable in Launchpad (a template was never imported), although having built the package locally, it does seem to create a POT template on build. I'm not that familiar with the packaging, but could it be that it was promoted to main without having been rebuilt? If so, can I request anyone from the desktop team to re-upload the package? (I cannot currently upload a template manuall [08:26] y unless there hasn't been a template imported first) [08:26] Launchpad bug 525726 in gwibber "Gwibber needs to create a translation template on build" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525726 [08:37] dpm: that's plausible, let me check [08:38] dpm: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+changelog confirms this [08:38] dpm: I'll do a no-change upload now [08:39] Good morning European folk. :) [08:39] TheMuso: good morning! [08:40] s/morning/evening/ :p [08:40] TheMuso: you've been closing a rhythmbox bug or two? [08:40] pitti, many thanks. Just so I know for future cases, which is the entry in the changelog that confirms this? [08:40] dpm: done [08:40] good morning TheMuso [08:40] nigelb: Only stuff that also has a pulseaudio task. [08:40] hey seb128 [08:40] dpm: oh, that's a bit "encoded"; the same version is both superseded and published in lucid [08:40] TheMuso: ah :) I got a few mails. Since they were closed, I left them alone :) [08:40] dpm: which means that its component was moved [08:41] dpm: and I just happen to know that it moved from universe to main [08:41] seb128: bonjour Monsieur! [08:42] hey chrisccoulson pitti [08:43] chrisccoulson, pitti: did you have a good weekend? [08:43] seb128 - yeah, not too bad thanks, although i have a bit of a cold [08:43] pitti, thanks a lot! [08:43] how was your weekend? [08:43] chrisccoulson, oh :-( [08:43] pretty good [08:44] we got quite some wind yesterday though [08:44] * TheMuso hopes everyone survived the storms unscathed. [08:45] we got some small power cuts but otherwise everybody and everything is ok there [08:45] did anybody got news from pedro btw? [08:46] seb128: yes, it was wonderful; we spent it in Paderborn, some sightseeing, wellness, massage, nice dinners, and Claude Shannon museum [08:46] seb128: just had some train delays getting back, but under the weather circumstances it was okay [08:46] seb128: didn't hear from Pedro in a while [08:46] just read my emails got on from dholbach [08:47] "Pedro and his family [08:47] are perfectly fine, but currently without an internet connection" [08:47] pitti, seems a very nice weekend indeed ;-) [08:48] hey seb128 [08:49] lut didrocks [08:51] hey aquarius, you pinged me on identi.ca I believe :) [08:52] nigelb, I did! Mainly to say: if there's anything that you want to know about the Ubuntu One music store that would make your bug adoption of Rhythmbox easier, just say the word :) [08:52] aquarius: so far, nothing has popped up related to store, but when it does I'd love to know how I can help you guys out [08:53] I do remember that I can reassign the package when it has something to do with the store [08:53] speaking of which, seb128: upstream has come up with a new rhythmbox release :) [08:54] waow, the debian GNOME week-end has created a lot of email traffic [08:54] nigelb, thanks, we have a few days snapshot will update later [08:54] didrocks, they triaged lot of bugs? [08:54] okay :) [08:54] didrocks, you are subscribed to debian bugs too? [08:55] seb128: yes, I'm subscribed and yes, they planed to make some kind of "hug day" for GNOME in debian [08:55] did anyone here get involved with that at the weekend? [08:55] didrocks, I've read the blog post [08:55] I didn't [08:55] nigelb, well, when it does (I'd love to say "if" it does, but I'll go with "when"), you know where I am! [08:55] I try to not work during weekends and I would do I would rather triager our bugs [08:55] i tried triaging some ubuntu bugs at the weekend ;) [08:56] aquarius: yes :) Great to touch base with you :) [08:57] chrisccoulson, :-) [08:59] didrocks, how many emails did you get from their triaging? [08:59] seb128: I didn't count, but more than 300 emails [09:00] i bet seb128 can beat that this morning ;) [09:00] that's something I guess [09:00] chrisccoulson, I got 500 ubuntu ones waiting there [09:00] which is a pretty normal weekend count [09:32] pitti, I'm working updating rhythmbox to 0.12.7 now btw, do you want me to batch any other change? [09:32] seb128: I just sponsored Jan's patch [09:32] oh ok [09:32] seb128: I don't have anything else [09:32] I will do another update [09:32] gnagnagna [09:32] I hate bzr [09:32] seb128: next time I'll ping you before [09:32] seb128: what's wrong? [09:33] pitti, no need to ping me sorry about that [09:33] pitti, format changed or something it refuses to pull [09:33] I keep running into those issues [09:33] seb128: "bzr info" -> which format does it show you? [09:33] too late I tried a bzr upgrade [09:33] which seemed to have worked [09:33] I just don't get why it was working a few days ago [09:34] and breaks out of the blue [09:34] let's see if I still manage to push later [09:34] I saw that some new branches have been updated to the new format recently [09:35] didrocks, that happens in an automatic way?! [09:35] could have been me [09:35] but I don't remember any more [09:35] I upgraded one branch recently, to do a merge with a proposed 2.0 branch [09:35] bzr should be smarter about that and do what is needed [09:36] seb128: when pushing you see "updating to new format", or some cron on LP side, I guess [09:36] I think we should probably make it policy that all bzr branches are in 2a format. [09:36] rather than return weird errors [09:36] and over time, all those should eventuyally be 2.0 [09:36] seb128: +1 [09:36] hey RAOF, how was your first day? ;-) [09:36] Wet. [09:36] is that good? ;-) [09:37] seb128: We had an almost wintery day in Sydney. [09:37] oh [09:37] It was marvelously cool and damp. I fixed a bunch of nouveau-related stuff, got an action plan to make it awesome, and will shortly be getting access to the wiki! [09:37] ;-) [09:38] RAOF: Speaking of which, I'm working on lbm ppc packages so we can get nouveau. Hitting a snag however. [09:38] RAOF, do you fancy to update gjs or resync on debian when you have some time btw? [09:39] Certainly. The diff got applied to the Debian package; I think it might now be a sync. [09:40] excellent [09:41] RAOF, we probably still need some replaces or did they take that too? [09:42] Ah, yeah. We probably need them. [09:43] Oh, and I see the bzr package importer hasn't get grabbed the latest source from debian. [09:46] chrisccoulson, do we have a reference bug for bug #527904? is that a libindicator issue? [09:46] Launchpad bug 527904 in gnome-panel "Icons randomly disappear from notification-area-applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527904 [09:47] seb128 - thats a libindicator issue. tedg pushed a fix for it initially, but it doesn't work (and I found another issue with the fallback too) [09:47] i'll find the master [09:48] chrisccoulson, thanks [09:48] seb128 - bug 529052 [09:48] Launchpad bug 529052 in indicator-application "battery applet comes and goes in notification area" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529052 [09:49] chrisccoulson, thanks [09:50] the fallback really doesn't work very well. every time an application calls app_indicator_set_menu, it sets up a new fallback timer, which flips the status of the icon when it times out [09:50] which is causing the blinking icon that people are reporting in gpm [09:50] i'll ping tedg about that later though [09:50] thanks [09:51] so those people have issues because they don't use the indicator [09:51] I expect many of them don't know [09:51] seb128 - yeah, they're not using the indicator [09:51] or removed it because they didn't like the messaging menu [09:51] but not it's used for other things too [09:52] i've seen at least one person confused about having the messaging menu in the same applet as the other icons [09:52] but, that's not really any different to the old notification area really [09:53] seb128 - i've done g-c-c this morning btw [09:53] oh nice [09:53] need sponsoring? [09:53] seb128 - when you get some time :) [09:53] will do that soon [09:56] Hah. My enable-the-testsuite diff to gjs broke the build for kfreebsd. [10:00] TheMuso: What was the lbm on PPC snag? [10:02] RAOF: something to do with powerpc64 headers and not being able to find a macro... Stilldigging. [10:02] Ok. Sing out if you want some (not-able-to-actually-do-a-PPC-build) help ;) [10:02] heh ok thanks [10:04] RAOF: and its the alsa drivers that is hitting the error. [10:04] Superb. [10:06] yep [10:15] seb128: Is gjs a part of the GNOME standing FFe? [10:19] RAOF, not sure but I'm usually allowed to grant universe desktop ffe [10:19] RAOF, so I'm granting this one [10:20] Ok :) === czajkowski is now known as cz-tab [10:24] Hm. A lot less of that diff actually got applied than I thought. :/ === cz-tab is now known as czajkowski [10:29] We really are going to have to ensure that gnome-shell works with libseed for lucid+1. [10:34] bug #525520 [10:34] Launchpad bug 525520 in gnome-control-center "gnome-about-me lost all information" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/525520 [10:34] I didn't though users were running this capplet [10:34] but we got quite some duplicates now [10:41] yeah, it doesn't work at all now [10:41] not sure when that broke [10:49] seb128: now that the new release is in, do you want a debdiff for the hook? [10:49] nigelb, no that's ok, let me review that one before [10:49] it's on my todolist [10:50] seb128: ah, sorry. thought you wanted me to get something done :) [10:50] well you did update it but I didn't have time to review that yet [10:50] hey MacSlow - when adding a new synchronous notification, what can I set the "x-canonical-private-synchronous" hint too (or can I set it to anything I like)? [10:50] gsd has a new notification for touchpad on/off [10:51] ah :) [11:01] asac: any update on the modem manager blacklisting patch? Did it ever make it? [11:11] Ok. I'm going to finish that merge tomorrow morning. [11:14] RAOF, no hurry [11:24] chrisccoulson, e.g. 1 [11:46] seb128 - gsd is done now [11:49] chrisccoulson, good, I'm away for lunch now [11:49] but will sponsor after lunch [11:50] thanks [12:01] tseliot, the newest version of gsd has support for disabling the touchpad now. did you do any work on adding a check-box to the mouse properties UI, or do you want me to do this? [12:01] (i can't remember if you said you were going to do that or not) [12:02] chrisccoulson: I promised seb128 that, if no one had implemented that before alpha 3, I would have worked on it. But I really need to implement support for 16 colours in plymouth first :-/ [12:03] well we have a gconf key now [12:03] and a hotkey [12:03] so it's less of an issue [12:03] easy to tweak [12:03] seb128 - yeah. my laptop doesn't seem to have a touchpad hotkey though [12:03] chrisccoulson: I'd be glad if you could do this. I'm available to answer your questions on it if you have doubts [12:03] * tseliot is chocking with work [12:04] choking [12:23] right, i'm going to grab some lunch [12:24] chrisccoulson, enjoy [12:30] good morning chrisccoulson [12:31] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [12:31] chrisccoulson, I am quite fine [12:31] I am working from Florida this week, gets me a bit closer to your time zone [12:31] hey rickspencer3 [12:31] chrisccoulson, today is your first day, right? [12:32] rickspencer3, yeah, i started this morning :) [12:32] hey rickspencer3 [12:32] hi pitti and seb128! [12:33] hey rickspencer3 [12:33] hi didrocks [12:33] has everyone adjusted to our new "Chris" rich team already? [12:34] lol [12:34] i think everybody should change their names to chris ;) [12:34] just to make it more confusing [12:35] :) [12:35] CC, CC, and CR? nice [12:35] heh [12:35] well, CCC for me ;) [12:35] C^3 [12:36] rickspencer3: What are you doing in FL? [12:36] bratsche, I'm working from my parent's house for a week [12:36] Cool [12:36] need to make sure they are ok at least once per year :) [12:51] rickspencer3, not sure if you have seen but robert_ancell did great work on the feature apps selection [12:52] seb128, I saw [12:52] we talked a bit my yesterday evening, his this morning [12:52] basically, it is "Robert's Featured Apps" now :) [12:53] because he did all the work organizing the community input and reviewing the apps and such [12:55] rickspencer3, he didn't list quickly though [12:57] even though quickly is in software center! that's a shame ;) [12:58] mvo: thanks for putting it in s-c, I didn't notice before ;) [12:59] seb128: where/in what branch is his work [12:59] didrocks: got pulled in automatically :) [12:59] * mvo pats his update script(s) [12:59] mvo: sweet, even if we don't have any .desktop file? How can we add the icon, btw? [12:59] mvo, none that I know, he emailed ubuntu-desktop-list [13:00] mvo, with the list of apps he reviewed and picked too [13:00] seb128: aha, I should read more mail [13:00] * mvo looks [13:01] didrocks: AFAICS its the package that s-c has. lucid does normal packages now as well [13:01] stellarium [13:01] * mvo likes the choice(s) of robert [13:03] * didrocks reforwards his email as the list isn't setup to reply to the ML automatically === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:10] I just read robert_ancell's review in detail [13:10] I don't see there is too much more to discuss :) [13:10] though I think perhaps including an IDE is not necessary [13:11] and maybe one or two more games if there are good ones [13:11] yeah, his default list is great for the most part. I've just included some little discussion on some points, but nothing really important [13:12] meh, looks like he looked at other game and rejected them for good reasons [13:13] * mvo adds the list to s-c [13:16] mvo, rock on! [13:19] didrocks, how bug #530024 is a gsd bug? [13:19] Launchpad bug 530024 in gnome-settings-daemon "Cache wallpaper even when ubiquity is in install mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530024 [13:19] if gsd is not running... [13:19] seb128: I'll had the script to gsd package (just pushed) [13:19] as previously planned [13:19] hum no? [13:20] I need to open the bug to casper as well, I'm testing the script [13:20] no? we talk about adding gnome-update-wallpaper-cache to gsd, no? [13:20] when, where? [13:21] I can show you the log, one week and half ago, when we discussed about the postinst stuff to cache on upgrade [13:21] I'm still not convinced it should be in gsd [13:22] just tell me where to put it, I don't care, but not changing it once more :/ [13:22] right and I though we dropped the postinst thing? [13:22] let me think [13:22] seb128: right, but on ubiquity "install mode", we will still install it [13:22] I don't like much adding random binaries to g-s-d which have nothing to do with gsd [13:23] I understand, just tell me where, I'm a little bored about this change already… [13:23] ubiquity? [13:23] since that's for ubiquity... [13:24] seb128: the script that will call it is in casper btw [13:24] so casper? [13:24] I don't care, just tell me so that I don't have to change it once more :) [13:24] pitti: agree too ^ [13:24] I don't know [13:24] I've no real opinion on it, I just would like it better if it was not in gsd [13:25] it has nothing to do there [13:25] * didrocks waits until their is an agreement on this, just spent too much time on this and testing all went ok… [13:26] I still add the casper task for now [13:28] didrocks, seb128: hm, I don't see a big problem with shipping a new binary in /usr/lib/ in the g-s-d package, but if you prefer it to live in gnome-about (as a gnome-desktop binary), that's fine for me as well [13:28] pitti, I would prefer it to be in casper if that's what need that$ [13:28] casper is arch:all [13:29] can't [13:29] could use python-gnomedesktop ;-) [13:29] WFM [13:29] gnome-about is arch all too [13:29] so, I have to rewrite it in python? :/ [13:29] bah, that change sucks [13:30] seb128: why? it's just a new 5-line .c file in debian/rules? [13:30] I guess having a casper depends on python-gnomedesktop will not be people happy easier [13:30] pitti, because we are arguing and working on that for weeks now [13:30] that seems lot of trouble for a detail [13:31] I'm near of thinking it should be a new source package [13:36] didrocks, don't bother rewritting the thing again [13:37] which means? do I push my changes, do I move the .c file into another package? (It took me some hours again to test that today) [13:37] I'm pondering between the "screw it and use gsd we discussed that too much now" even if that's the wrong component for it and I don't like having delta there [13:37] and "do a new source package for it" [13:38] didrocks, not sure why it should take some hours to test, you just need the binary to be installed [13:38] whatever package install it should make no difference [13:38] as long as it's in the location you use [13:38] seb128: because I tried with the package change to install ubiquity again in live mode, in install mode, etc. [13:38] to ensure I don't break the install [13:39] if it moves source I don't see a reason to do that testing again [13:39] there is no reason it should break [13:39] anyway let me think a bit between the 2 options I just gave [13:39] seb128: no sure, but if we screw it, it's just loss, that's why I just want to know what we do about it [13:40] seb128: I don't think we'll get rid of our Ubuntu delta in g-s-d soon, and once we do, we can still move it somewhere else, FWIW [13:41] pitti, yeah I don't think either, still it seems wrong to add that in gsd since that has nothing to do with gsb [13:41] gsd [13:42] seems we are just picking a random abitraty component and add stuff we don't where to put in [13:42] I can see cases where g-s-d is not installed or used but gnome-desktop used and the command could be useful [13:46] oh, hang on [13:46] casper is arch:any [13:46] and already has a .c file [13:47] so, we could actually put it there [13:47] seb128, didrocks: ^ sorry, seems I was misled [13:47] no pb, moving it right now so :) [13:47] * pitti hugs didrocks [13:47] * didrocks hugs pitti [13:48] * seb128 hugs didrocks [13:48] so, where should I put it on the FHS? somewhere away from /usr/bin (I was putting it in /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/ before)? [13:48] * didrocks hugs seb128 back and hope we can finish one day with caching ;) [13:49] ;-) [13:49] didrocks: in casper it doesn't matter much [13:49] didrocks: casper-desktop-background-cache, or whatnot [13:50] ok, as it's only installed on live, that makes sense :) [13:55] hum, that will make casper build on gnome-desktop and glib btw, isn't it an issue for derivatives not using GNOME? [13:56] didrocks, check with cjwatson? [13:57] hmm, i've just noticed from the gpm changelog: [13:57] "Set the timeout for critical battery notification to never" [13:57] that's not going to work with notify-osd is it? [13:58] MacSlow|lunch, ^ [14:05] hey tedg [14:05] Good morning seb128 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:08] seb128, correct... apps cannot directly control a notifications-timeout with notify-osd [14:08] MacSlow, what happens when they try? [14:10] seb128 - the fallback dialog appears [14:10] ah I see [14:11] so, i'm wondering whether to just revert the change, or if we need to discuss that first [14:12] when is that bubble displayed? [14:12] when the battery is critically low [14:13] seb128, the fallback-dialog should show up [14:14] chrisccoulson, will that trigger gpm suspend soon? [14:14] seb128 - yeah, it should do [14:16]