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| ev | persia: thanks for the heads up, I'll keep an eye on that thread | 09:03 |
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| ev | michaelforrest: do you have a few minutes today to clarify exactly what you need in terms of the size of the installer window in Lucid? I'm in the office, for what it's worth. | 09:05 |
| ev | I've managed to shrink the window down quite a bit, but there are a few caveats | 09:05 |
| michaelforrest | ev: absolutely | 09:06 |
| michaelforrest | come and find me whenever | 09:06 |
| ev | good deal | 09:07 |
| persia | ev: You might just want to catch Anzenketh in #ubuntu-bugs to plan the best strategy, depending. Threads have a way of solidifying :) | 09:09 |
| ev | persia: good call :) | 09:30 |
| ev | persia: while I have you here, what's the smallest resolution that you guys need ubiquity to work on? | 09:31 |
| persia | Um, hrm. | 09:32 |
| persia | I don't have a good answer. | 09:32 |
| persia | I'd personally like 640x480, but that's not realistic. | 09:32 |
| persia | There are still some 800x480 devices being manufactured, and I'd say that's a more reasonable absolute smallest. | 09:33 |
| persia | But there's 4.8" 1024x600 screens available, so I'd like to hope that smaller stuff becomes less common, or more specialised. | 09:34 |
| persia | To sum up: | 09:35 |
| persia | If you'd like to enable running ubiquity on the N900 (or similar devices), we need 800x480. | 09:35 |
| ev | okay, big thanks for clearing that up | 09:35 |
| persia | If you want to run on the new generation of handhelds, 1024x600 is probably sufficiently low res. | 09:36 |
| persia | (unless manufacturers go for "cheap" over "useful" again) | 09:36 |
| ev | michaelforrest: is now a good time to swing by? | 09:40 |
| michaelforrest | ev sure | 09:57 |
| ev | ncdjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjkkkjkjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj | 10:00 |
| ev | whhops | 10:00 |
| ev | whoops* | 10:00 |
| ev | cjwatson: given that we're going with the "boot straight into ubiquity and let it deal with creating a try/install page" for lucid+1, is the greeter stuff (specifically the design and artwork for it) still a priority for you? | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | no | 10:30 |
| ev | it came up in discussion with michaelforrest | 10:30 |
| ev | okay cool | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | I actually want to do this for lucid if possible | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | and am still tracking it in the release meetings and such | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | if nothing else because Mark announced it for lucid :P | 10:30 |
| michaelforrest | cjwatson: oh god. what ? | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | I have been enormously clear about this in e-mail | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | I cannot believe that it is a surprise | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | I also don't think it matters to you guys since we have the bits we need to do it now :) | 10:32 |
| michaelforrest | I didn't know Mark had announced something | 10:32 |
| michaelforrest | I thought it was still a 'nice-to-have' | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | at the platform briefing at UDS | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | it was practically the very first thing in his presentation | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | there's a reason this spec is Essential ... | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | and why I've been desperately trying to get styling information from people for months | 10:34 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3853 ubiquity/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * The timezone is perfectly usable at half its width and height, so | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: only request that. This also means we're not trying to guess how | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: much space we can reasonably take up with the map, but rather | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: letting the rest of the interface determine the width and height of | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: the installer window. | 11:23 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * If the screen resolution is particularly low (< 600px height), allow | 11:23 |
| persia | \o/ | 11:28 |
| ev | still more work to do there on the partitioner so it works reasonably well at 640x480 | 11:31 |
| persia | Is it a horizontal issue, or a vertical issue? | 11:32 |
| ev | cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/try_or_install2.png <- about to implement that for lucid, per michaelforrest's request, and with the workflow we've discussed. Any massive objections? :) | 11:32 |
| ev | persia: vertical | 11:32 |
| * ev shakes his fist at the segmentedbars | 11:32 | |
| ev | fixable though | 11:33 |
| cjwatson | ev: gosh, you beat me to it, I thought I was going to end up doing that :) | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | ev: slight UI glitch in the "release notes" link, but overall looks fine to me - can we make sure that this workflow only appears when you're booting with maybe-ubiquity (or some similar switch) though? | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | it would be weird for it to appear if (for example) you use the icon on the live CD desktop | 11:37 |
| ev | cjwatson: indeed, that's the plan :) | 11:38 |
| ev | just awaiting sign off from boss^3 | 11:40 |
| ogra | hugo ? :) | 11:40 |
| ogra | hmm, oem-config still doesnt remove itself on my rootstock install | 12:40 |
| ogra | seems it exits with: | 12:42 |
| ogra | debconf (developer): <-- PROGRESS INFO ubiquity/install/hardware | 12:42 |
| ogra | Can't call method "info" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd.pm line 142, <GEN0> line 315. | 12:42 |
| persia | Does ubiquity/install/hardware appear in your debconf db? | 12:43 |
| ogra | persia, i dont touch the debconf db at all | 12:50 |
| ogra | mainly what i do is run debootstrap and install oem-config in that | 12:50 |
| persia | Understood. And it ought be there if ubiquity is installed. I'm just curious if it's present in your local environment when you encounter the issue. | 12:50 |
| ogra | touch /var/lib/oem-config/run and that it | 12:50 |
| ogra | *thats | 12:50 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3854 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-partman.py): | 12:56 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Fix choose_partition thawing to handle free space at the end of | 12:56 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: update_partitions (LP: #527848). | 12:56 |
| ogra | well, i see it in the ubiquity template file | 12:58 |
| ogra | so i would assume its there | 12:59 |
| * persia grabs trunk ubiquity thinking that this may solve the partman-uboot bug that has been confusing for the past few days | 13:01 | |
| ogra | root@osiris:/# echo get ubiquity/install/hardware | debconf-communicate | 13:01 |
| ogra | 0 | 13:01 |
| persia | Can you call INFO on it? | 13:01 |
| ogra | root@osiris:/# echo info ubiquity/install/hardware | debconf-communicate | 13:02 |
| ogra | 0 | 13:02 |
| persia | Hrm. Nothing else comes to mind offhand. Logs might help (or maybe someone who knows more has an idea). | 13:03 |
| ogra | well, the above is all thet is in the logs | 13:04 |
| ogra | *that | 13:04 |
| ogra | the rest looks normal | 13:04 |
| ogra | i wonder if its caused by hw-detect | 13:06 |
| cjwatson | err - INFO != PROGRESS INFO | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | (and you won't be able to call PROGRESS INFO on its own via d-c anyway ...) | 13:07 |
| cjwatson | persia: what's up with partman-uboot? | 13:08 |
| ogra | hmm, i see in syslog that it tries to install usbutils | 13:08 |
| ogra | which it cant because there is no network setup | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | this all sounds pretty unrelated | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | ogra: can I see the debug log? | 13:09 |
| ogra | yeah, i just noticed it has the same timestamp ... | 13:09 |
| ogra | yup, one sec | 13:09 |
| ogra | http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/oem-config.log | 13:09 |
| persia | cjwatson: It keeps selecting "dummy__________dummy" as the preferred partition, causing error 141 with choose_partition//do_option | 13:09 |
| michaelforrest | ev - we are go on the installer first screen - mark just wants to make the "If you have internet access…" bit only show if there's network. Reworded as "You may wish to…". | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | persia: could I see the full logs, please? | 13:10 |
| persia | cjwatson: So I'm guessing that it was a space (which may be why I had trouble tracking), and want to test your most recent fix. | 13:10 |
| ogra | and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/syslog | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | persia: it's certainly in the category that *might* have been fixed, but I could tell you for sure given a debug log | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | ogra: ok, so the problem is that nested progress bars don't work outside debconffilter | 13:11 |
| persia | cjwatson: I'd have to construct one (rebooted over the weekend, and scrapped the virtual machine). Do you especially want it, or do you see a reason I shouldn't pull trunk to keep debugging? | 13:12 |
| ogra | wow | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | it has nothing to do with that particular template name | 13:12 |
| ogra | what does indicate that ? | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | persia: if you don't have it conveniently to hand, you might as well use trunk, sure | 13:12 |
| * persia would otherwise merge patches to ubiquity, and start installs again tomorrow. | 13:12 | |
| cjwatson | ogra: PROGRESS STOP followed by PROGRESS <anything> failing | 13:12 |
| ogra | ah | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | ogra: this is complicated to fix - could you file a bug, please? | 13:13 |
| ogra | yep, do you want both logs ? | 13:13 |
| cjwatson | sure | 13:13 |
| ogra | ok | 13:13 |
| ogra | bug 530027 | 13:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 530027 in ubiquity "nested progress bars don't work outside debconffilter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530027 | 13:18 |
| ev | michaelforrest: AWESOME | 13:20 |
| ev | working on it now | 13:20 |
| ev | michaelforrest: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/thinner-partition-bars.png - does that look okay? | 13:36 |
| cjwatson | 14:06 <cjwatson> didrocks: the point of casper's ubiquity-hooks is specifically to reproduce things that are done by casper at live CD boot time, and need to be repeated after installation | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:08 <cjwatson> didrocks: accessibility is there because casper does accessibility stuff at boot time | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:07 <cjwatson> it isn't meant to be a grab-bag of post-install scripts | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:08 <didrocks> cjwatson: there is already some hooks like that like accessibility, etc. ev told me to put the first version there (which works in live mode) | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:08 <cjwatson> didrocks: I don't think things should go in casper's ubiquity-hooks unless they're also done at boot time in casper | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:09 <cjwatson> otherwise the result is that we end up with code spread around between casper and ubiquity when it doesn't need to be | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | 14:09 <cjwatson> you could install a ubiquity-hooks file in gnome-desktop if you want, but it might be better to just have it in ubiquity | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | (from #ubuntu-devel) | 14:10 |
| ev | ugh, I didn't tell him to put it in casper | 14:25 |
| ev | I told him to look at the hooks in casper as examples | 14:25 |
| cjwatson | heh, ok | 14:33 |
| cjwatson | I said I was OK with either ubiquity or a hook in gnome-desktop | 14:34 |
| cjwatson | if you have a strong preference for the latter, you should join #u-d and say :) | 14:34 |
| ev | nope, I just agree that casper is the wrong place | 15:01 |
| superm1 | ev, michaelforrest re http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/try_or_install2.png, should you really still be referring to it as from CD as a lot of people install from USB media these days instead? | 16:29 |
| michaelforrest | I was hoping you'd make that dynamic actually ev | 16:31 |
| michaelforrest | not that I said that! | 16:31 |
| ev | will do | 16:37 |
| ev | michaelforrest: just to clarify, you want the labels beneath the bars in the partitioner left-aligned rather than their present center-alignment, correct? | 17:20 |
| michaelforrest | hm | 17:27 |
| michaelforrest | can you show me? | 17:28 |
| michaelforrest | ev^ | 17:28 |
| ev | yup, heading over | 17:29 |
| CIA-3 | netcfg: cjwatson * r640 ubuntu/debian/changelog: Rebuild against libiw30. | 17:30 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3855 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/segmented_bar.py): | 17:40 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * Left-align the labels on the segmented_bars. | 17:40 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: * Make the segmented_bars narrower. | 17:40 |
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| cr3 | is it just me or does the casper.log generated on lucid no longer seem to contain: Found label '...' containing the disk image information? | 20:10 |
| cr3 | I'm quite sure I recall that information existing before | 20:11 |
| cr3 | there's now /var/log/installer/media-info though | 20:12 |
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| CIA-3 | netcfg: cjwatson * r641 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.51ubuntu2 | 21:41 |
| ev | hrm, are "USB" and "CD" universally accepted acronyms, or should they be translated to something? Google is entirely unhelpful for such a query. | 21:48 |
| cjwatson | ev: they get transliterated in at least (random sample) Chinese | 21:57 |
| cjwatson | ev: see the cdrom-detect translations, for example | 21:57 |
| ev | ah, damn, okay | 22:24 |
| ev | thanks | 22:24 |
| ev | so far: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/ubiquity-greeter.png - just need to fix one glaring bug. | 23:23 |
| superm1 | are you parsing the OS from .disk/info to populate that, so Kubuntu, Xubuntu etc will automatically have their text set properly? | 23:24 |
| cjwatson | cool | 23:24 |
| cjwatson | does that dialog expand if you have a reasonable amount of screen space available? | 23:25 |
| ev | as in the space between the try section and the install section? | 23:27 |
| ev | or in some other way? | 23:27 |
| cjwatson | the whole window, it's smaller than it was, presumably due to your timezone changes | 23:28 |
| cjwatson | I'm just making sure that it uses more screen space if you have it, otherwise it'll feel cramped | 23:28 |
| cjwatson | while being smaller when there isn't so much space available | 23:29 |
| ev | cjwatson: ah, a mistake in my previous commit. Fixing now. | 23:37 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3856 ubiquity/ (gui/gtk/stepUserInfo.ui ubiquity/components/ubi-usersetup.py): Fix r3853. Only use scrollbars on the user setup page when needed. | 23:42 |
| ev | ^ fixed, thanks | 23:42 |
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