| humphreybc | godbyk, ping | 01:23 |
|---|---|---|
| humphreybc | ping vish | 01:59 |
| humphreybc | new getinvolved page, http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ | 03:20 |
| vish | humphreybc: pong | 03:33 |
| humphreybc | oh hey vish | 03:33 |
| vish | hi.. | 03:33 |
| humphreybc | i was thinking of perhaps putting some icons here, instead of the collage of window tools | 03:34 |
| humphreybc | http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ | 03:34 |
| humphreybc | but i think the collage looks nice. do you see anywhere on the website that would benefit from any icons? | 03:34 |
| vish | hmm , | 03:35 |
| humphreybc | have a look at the other two pages as well | 03:36 |
| humphreybc | Ahh, that's what I wanted icons for | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | at the moment i'm using the same image for the home page and the downloads page | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | I want a new image for the downloads page | 03:39 |
| humphreybc | i've sort of exhausted all of the image possibilities on the site already, i've used screenshots from the manual, the title page, the team logo and a collage of screenshots of our tools | 03:40 |
| vish | humphreybc: seems clean now. IMO , no need icons , and not sure , where they would be required either.. [except "download now" , but that looks good as it is now as well] | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | cool | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | and an image for the download page to replace that one i'm using twice? | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | considering that page gives you the option for a manual in different languages and formats... maybe somehow we can find or create an image that shows that? | 03:42 |
| vish | humphreybc: the home "download now" and the other do that same thing right? | 03:44 |
| vish | or does the home one take you to the downloads page? | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | the home download now button detects your system language and then downloads the correct PDF | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | the "alternative download options" takes you to the download page | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | where you can specify a language, edition and printing optimized or not | 03:45 |
| vish | humphreybc: then , its the same action, its better to leave it sme | 03:45 |
| vish | same* | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | righto | 03:45 |
| IlyaHaykinson | hm, anyone else find the new accessibility tool, erm, lacking, in Lucid Alpha 3? | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | haven't installed alpha 3 yet | 03:47 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i'm guessing it'll change a lot before beta, but it means that we need to mention it | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | vish, so you like the site mockups? | 03:47 |
| IlyaHaykinson | also, we don't have a section on Gwibber, which is now a default app | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | IlyaHaykinson: this is true | 03:48 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: any thoughts on what to do about our hardware chapter? | 03:48 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i have not been able to get people to write anything. | 03:48 |
| IlyaHaykinson | perhaps we can divide it into 8 portions, or however many sections are left, and assign each to a different person. | 03:48 |
| IlyaHaykinson | ask for progress within 5 days, or something like that, to ensure that we have some progress | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | that sounds like a good idea | 03:49 |
| vish | humphreybc: looks nice.. i would probably move the first collage a bit higher in this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | we need to have a meeting at some point i think | 03:50 |
| vish | there is a bit of extra space on the top of the collage | 03:50 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: next saturday, probably. | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | yep, so we're 18 days away from writing freeze | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | eek | 03:50 |
| vish | humphreybc: just a bit higher to make the "the manual project" more clearer and unobstructed | 03:51 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: right. so maybe doing it at the meeting is a bit too late | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | vish, done, it's in the branch but i won't bother re-uploading to flickr | 03:52 |
| vish | neat.. | 03:52 |
| humphreybc | IlyaHaykinson: hmm. i need to get cracking as well on finishing my installation chapter | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | what do you think of getting a bunch of people to thoroughly read it about 5 days before writing freeze and then report bugs? | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | i can ask joey at omgubuntu.co.uk to write a post asking for a bunch of testers and we'll get a load of people combing over it and filing bug reports | 03:54 |
| humphreybc | after dinner tonight i'm going to get cracking on the manual and get some more stuff done | 03:54 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: agreed. though realistically we will need to push the writing freeze further out. | 03:54 |
| IlyaHaykinson | some apps are still too raw to document properly | 03:55 |
| IlyaHaykinson | imho | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | true | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | maybe writing freeze 31 march? | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | that's only going to give the translators 20 days till RC to translate stuff though | 03:55 |
| IlyaHaykinson | perhaps something like a "content freeze", where we stop adding sections etc, and then a full "writing freeze" after beta has been installed and documented. | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | okay so lucid beta is the 18th | 03:56 |
| humphreybc | so if we do content freeze say the 20th, writing freeze the 31st | 03:56 |
| humphreybc | and our beta can be released on the 31st | 03:56 |
| IlyaHaykinson | let's do 21st and 31st -- the 21st is a Sunday. | 03:56 |
| humphreybc | okay cool | 03:56 |
| humphreybc | that gives authors 3 days to observe changes in lucid beta and add or remove sections accordingly | 03:57 |
| IlyaHaykinson | cool. that should give us enough time to incorporate beta UI changes | 03:57 |
| IlyaHaykinson | also... I need advice on Open Office. | 03:57 |
| humphreybc | and then ten days to finish their sections and the editors to clean it up | 03:57 |
| humphreybc | yeah? | 03:57 |
| IlyaHaykinson | it's a big undertaking -- i'm still working through Evolution, and OO is large enough to cause tons of headaches. | 03:57 |
| IlyaHaykinson | also Luke Jennings needs work to do, and we thought about splitting up OO | 03:57 |
| IlyaHaykinson | but I don't really think we can do OO justice in this timeframe. | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | so, my thinking is write literally 5 paragraphs on OO | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | have Luke spend time on Gwibber and other apps, or help with the hardware chapter | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | and i'll switch to doing editing | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | after my sections are done. | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | then, either in second edition or by 10.10 we can cover OO in reasonable detail. | 03:58 |
| IlyaHaykinson | OO does have a lot of help resources available for it, i think, so users shouldn't be left out in the cold. | 03:59 |
| humphreybc | yep okay that's a good plan | 04:03 |
| humphreybc | when should we request wide scale testing from readers of omgubuntu? | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | well, not testing | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | but bug checking | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | also, chapter 6 is looking a bit short... | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | chapter 4 and 6 are the trouble spots | 04:05 |
| humphreybc | i'll finish the second half of chapter 10 tonight on extra applications | 04:05 |
| humphreybc | also, for screenshots, i'm not sure we're going to have quickshot ready in time | 04:05 |
| humphreybc | we may have to manually capture screenshots in english, and then use those in the translated manuals for now | 04:06 |
| humphreybc | we'll try to capture shots that don't have much text | 04:06 |
| humphreybc | either that, or pick 5 or 10 "most popular" languages and manually translate screenshots for them | 04:06 |
| humphreybc | so we'd have 40+ translated manuals, with ten of those having localized screenshots and the rest english screenshots | 04:07 |
| humphreybc | after the writing freeze we can get all hands to the pumps on a) screenshots and b) translations - and if you only speak english, then you can help advertise and recruit screenshotters :P | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | oops | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | recruit translators* | 04:08 |
| humphreybc | and we'll have to make sure we fully utilize the ubuntu global jam | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | we could also post on the planet asking for help to translate | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | we have to give it our best effort | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | i think we also have to appoint a translator representative so we can communicate with the translators more | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | also, if we do end up having to choose some languages to get localized screenshots, what would they be? | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | spanish, german... japanese? | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm | 04:15 |
| humphreybc | so chinese, spanish, arabic, hindi, portuguese, bengali, russian, japanese and german | 04:16 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i would choose languages that are different enough. so if we cut this down i would do english, a romance language (spanish, probably); a left-to-right language (arabic), a slavic language (russian), and then chinese. | 04:19 |
| IlyaHaykinson | actually, also add hindi | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | okay | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | so that's backup plan | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | quickshot probably won't be ready | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | so actually: | 04:20 |
| IlyaHaykinson | that would cover the top 5 localizations, and a ton of people | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | for screenshots: | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | PLAN A: Use quickshot to get translated screenshots | 04:20 |
| humphreybc | PLAN B: Manually capture screenshots for the top 5 localizations | 04:21 |
| IlyaHaykinson | brb | 04:21 |
| humphreybc | PLAN C: manually capture screenshots for english and duplicate them in all other languages | 04:21 |
| IlyaHaykinson | humphreybc: agree with your plans | 04:42 |
| * godbyk yawns. | 05:31 | |
| godbyk | I'm awake now. | 05:31 |
| godbyk | Gimme a sec and I'll make a test.ubuntu-manual.org site. | 05:31 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: Okay, so now we have http://ubuntu-manual.org/, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/, and http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/. | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | hey godbyk | 06:12 |
| godbyk | hey, humphreybc. | 06:12 |
| humphreybc | i'm liking the build reports! | 06:13 |
| godbyk | Thanks! | 06:13 |
| humphreybc | did you host that progress bar somewhere too so i can email it to joey? | 06:13 |
| humphreybc | i'll email him the website as well with the countdown timer | 06:13 |
| godbyk | oh, no, I forgot. Where can I get the progress bar again? | 06:13 |
| humphreybc | branch under team-images | 06:13 |
| humphreybc | should be there | 06:13 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: Okay: http://ubuntu-manual.org/progressbar.png | 06:14 |
| humphreybc | oh i'll make a favicon for the site too | 06:14 |
| humphreybc | sweet as :) | 06:14 |
| godbyk | cool | 06:14 |
| humphreybc | gimme one sec | 06:15 |
| humphreybc | wolter is going to work on the website now too | 06:15 |
| humphreybc | :) | 06:15 |
| humphreybc | how big are favicons? 14x14? | 06:16 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: 16x16 | 06:17 |
| humphreybc | ah, 16x16 | 06:17 |
| humphreybc | :P | 06:17 |
| godbyk | or a nice binary number. | 06:17 |
| humphreybc | gah | 06:19 |
| humphreybc | okay, in the branch under /website/favicon.ico | 06:22 |
| godbyk | I just wrote a script that'll do a bzr pull every 30 minutes for the website. | 06:22 |
| humphreybc | and does it build the new manuals every 30 mins? | 06:23 |
| godbyk | So if things in the website/ dir get updated, they'll appear on test.ubuntu-manual.org | 06:23 |
| godbyk | nope. | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | ohhh | 06:23 |
| godbyk | that's another box. | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | gotcha | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | cool! | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | you da man kevin :) | 06:23 |
| humphreybc | oh btw, fixed the problem with android dropping all the time. wasn't android's fault, it was our router. changed to WEP and it now works fine, a bit insecure but hey | 06:24 |
| godbyk | weird. | 06:25 |
| godbyk | brb. need to find something to eat. | 06:25 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, check out planet ubuntu: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ | 06:55 |
| godbyk | cool | 06:59 |
| humphreybc | oO | 07:00 |
| humphreybc | the facebook page is missing from the countdown timer links | 07:00 |
| humphreybc | im just adding it in now | 07:02 |
| IlyaHaykinson | nice holding page | 07:11 |
| IlyaHaykinson | i would add a (c) 2010 Ubuntu Manual Team. And license CC-BY-SA | 07:12 |
| humphreybc | true | 07:15 |
| humphreybc | i'm trying to add a bigger gap between the "In the meantime you can follow us here:" | 07:15 |
| humphreybc | and the rest of the stuff | 07:15 |
| humphreybc | i thought a simple <br> would do it | 07:16 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, ive made changes to the countdown timer | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | also i've added in favicons, not sure if they'll show up though | 07:28 |
| godbyk | So have I. :) | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | I just stuck them in root :P | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | haha | 07:28 |
| humphreybc | well all i did was add in our facebook and planet pages, and shorten some of the descriptions of the links | 07:29 |
| humphreybc | i also added the copyright and CC-BY-SA at the bottom | 07:29 |
| humphreybc | still can't get the padding right, not sure what's up. I tried margins and padding but it doesn't seem to have much effect - you can have a play if you like to make it even prettier, i just pushed it | 07:29 |
| humphreybc | /website/countdown | 07:29 |
| godbyk | k | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | :) | 07:30 |
| humphreybc | does anyone know how we're going to translate the title page? | 07:30 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: If we use thorwil's simpler title page (which I like a lot), then we can put the whole title page in LaTeX. Then we'd use the actual \author and \title commands (which are already translated). | 07:31 |
| humphreybc | yeah that sounds like a good idea | 07:32 |
| humphreybc | i like his title page too :) | 07:32 |
| godbyk | I still have to fix some translations. | 07:32 |
| godbyk | I need to find fonts for some, fix bugs in latex code for others, etc. | 07:33 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: Better? http://ubuntu-manual.org/ | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | absolutely! | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | thanks! | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | check out http://divajutta.com/doctormo/gcweb/ | 07:48 |
| humphreybc | brett alton is working on that for martin, and brett is going to help us with our website too :) | 07:48 |
| IlyaHaykinson | nice design | 07:54 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 07:57 |
| humphreybc | so he's going to give us a hand with our site | 07:58 |
| humphreybc | http://brettalton.com | 07:58 |
| godbyk | cool | 08:02 |
| godbyk | I'm trying to push a couple website changes,and I'm getting this error: | 08:11 |
| godbyk | Using saved push location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/ | 08:11 |
| godbyk | bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() | 08:11 |
| godbyk | Any ideas what that means? | 08:11 |
| humphreybc | nope | 08:15 |
| humphreybc | using cli or gc> | 08:15 |
| humphreybc | ?* | 08:15 |
| IlyaHaykinson | that sounds like a cli problem | 08:16 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson: meaning what? | 08:17 |
| godbyk | oh.. sorry, I missed humphreybc's question about. | 08:17 |
| godbyk | yeab, cli.. | 08:17 |
| humphreybc | kk | 08:18 |
| humphreybc | reason i asked: http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/03/01/launchpad-moving-to-closed-source-auth/ | 08:18 |
| humphreybc | they seemed to have gone through though kevin | 08:18 |
| humphreybc | added robots.txt file etc? | 08:19 |
| godbyk | nope, this is one after that. | 08:19 |
| humphreybc | heh, i was thinking of left aligning them :P | 08:19 |
| humphreybc | hey TommyBrunn | 08:24 |
| TommyBrunn | Hey | 08:24 |
| humphreybc | we've been playing around with your countdown thing, http://ubuntu-manual.org | 08:24 |
| humphreybc | also check out http://test.ubuntu-manual.org | 08:24 |
| TommyBrunn | Yeah, I just saw that. | 08:24 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: could you get the favicon working for the main site as well? | 08:24 |
| TommyBrunn | Oh, cool! | 08:24 |
| humphreybc | TommyBrunn: the test website renders nice in firefox but chrome not so much | 08:25 |
| humphreybc | but good news is that Brett Alton has offered to help us, http://brettalton.com | 08:25 |
| TommyBrunn | That's odd. I tried it in webkit, and it looks nice there - and they both use webkit. | 08:25 |
| TommyBrunn | Whoa, cool! | 08:25 |
| humphreybc | yeah :) | 08:26 |
| humphreybc | so we're going to have a kickass site | 08:26 |
| humphreybc | which is fantastic | 08:26 |
| godbyk | okay, I copied the diff to another machine and pushed. | 08:26 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: that's one way around it :P | 08:26 |
| humphreybc | you can delete the branch in your troublesome machine and unlink bzr... bzr --help | 08:27 |
| godbyk | the troublesome machine happens to be the web server. :-( | 08:27 |
| godbyk | I just did a pull --overwite on that machine. | 08:27 |
| godbyk | hopefully it's happy now | 08:27 |
| godbyk | the favicons should work.. they exist. | 08:28 |
| godbyk | though you don't have a <link> tag for them. | 08:28 |
| TommyBrunn | godbyk: They work. | 08:35 |
| TommyBrunn | You don't need a link tag for them. | 08:35 |
| godbyk | TommyBrunn: It's not required because most browsers look automatically, but it's nice to have them anyway. | 08:37 |
| TommyBrunn | True enough. Add this then: <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/x-icon" href="/favicon.ico" /> | 08:38 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: what happened to the progress bar? | 09:20 |
| godbyk | gah. | 09:20 |
| godbyk | put the progress bar in the counter subdir and it'll show up | 09:21 |
| godbyk | sorry. | 09:21 |
| godbyk | the bzr pull killed it | 09:21 |
| godbyk | .my internet connection is flaking out on me. | 09:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | morning all | 09:28 |
| godbyk | morning, ubuntujenkins | 09:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | how are you godbky? | 09:31 |
| godbyk | not too bad. | 09:33 |
| godbyk | trying to get some more translations working. | 09:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 09:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have got some more writing to do and quickshot work | 09:33 |
| godbyk | Which sections are you writing? | 09:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | helping with default apps and now some hardware stuff as well | 09:34 |
| godbyk | ah, gotcha. | 09:34 |
| godbyk | I think both those chapters need some help. | 09:35 |
| godbyk | there's a ton of material to cover. | 09:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | there is so much | 09:35 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: the progressbar.png file has to be in the countdown/ dir if you want it on ubuntu-manual.org/ | 09:45 |
| humphreybc | oh really? | 09:45 |
| godbyk | website/ -> test.ubuntu-manual.org | 09:45 |
| humphreybc | ah okay | 09:45 |
| godbyk | website/countdown/ -> ubuntu-manual.org | 09:46 |
| humphreybc | kk | 09:46 |
| godbyk | 'cause *someone* didn't want the website up yet. :-P | 09:46 |
| humphreybc | :D | 09:46 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: should be there now. | 09:51 |
| humphreybc | it is indeed :) | 09:52 |
| humphreybc | thanks! | 09:52 |
| humphreybc | righto fellas, i'm off to bed | 10:29 |
| humphreybc | if brett alton shows up and wants to know about the website, give him everything he needs and help him get the stuff to work on it | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | other than that, priority is on writing and editing :) | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | i'll be back this time tomorrow and hopefully i'll have time to crack into writing myself | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | oh and also, any last minute feedback on Lernid etc, if people could please post that in the thread and i'll forward it to the relevant people in 24 hours time | 10:31 |
| dutchie | hi all | 19:43 |
| godbyk | hey, dutchie | 19:45 |
| humphreybc | jmburgess: you're still alive! | 21:05 |
| dutchie | humphreybc: how can you be 10 minutes late for a tutorial that starts on Thursday? | 21:12 |
| humphreybc | haha | 21:12 |
| humphreybc | no no, i turned up for the tutorial today and if it was on I would have been 10 minutes late | 21:12 |
| humphreybc | but it wasn't on, so i wasn't 10 minutes later | 21:13 |
| dutchie | oh | 21:13 |
| humphreybc | late* | 21:13 |
| dutchie | hehe | 21:13 |
| humphreybc | right i better get a move on to my next lecture | 21:25 |
| humphreybc | i just dropped $140NZD on a computer architecture text book | 21:25 |
| humphreybc | sounds like a fun class... but $140 text books are not cool | 21:25 |
| dutchie | how much is $140 in proper money? | 21:26 |
| humphreybc | divide it by 2.5 | 21:26 |
| dutchie | £56 | 21:27 |
| humphreybc | yup | 21:27 |
| dutchie | really? 2.5? | 21:27 |
| dutchie | that's quite a lot | 21:27 |
| humphreybc | i know | 21:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats a tipical uk price | 21:27 |
| humphreybc | that's why so many UK peeps immigrate to NZ :P | 21:27 |
| dutchie | heh | 21:27 |
| * dutchie is staying here for the foreseeable future | 21:28 | |
| humphreybc | haha | 21:28 |
| dutchie | might have a punt at US places for a masters though | 21:29 |
| dutchie | I'll see what happens | 21:29 |
| humphreybc | haha | 21:29 |
| humphreybc | okay | 21:29 |
| humphreybc | k catch you later folks | 21:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | se ya | 21:30 |
| * ubuntujenkins files a quickshot bug because I can't solve it 3 days later sorted lol | 21:57 | |
| * dutchie updates the translations before going to bed | 22:03 | |
| * ubuntujenkins has fixed all of the quickshot bugs | 22:17 | |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: I very much doubt you've found the Last Bug | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | I mean all of the quckshot bugs that are know off :-) if filled the two i just fixed I couldn't fix them a few days ago | 22:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | We are going to have so much fun whe resolution change is fully implimented :-) | 22:19 |
| dutchie | do you still want lshw/xrandr output on that ML thread? | 22:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have yours already I think xrandr -s 800x600 works for you? | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | thansk :-) | 22:21 |
| dutchie | I didn't post anything | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | I got yours on irc about a week ago | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | you have intel if i remeber rightly | 22:22 |
| * dutchie sends anyway | 22:22 | |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks dutchie | 22:22 |
| days_of_ruin | From the quickshot wiki: "Quickshot creates a new user called "quickshot" with the password "quickshot." The user is told to log in as "quickshot."" What kind of user is that? | 23:37 |
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