[01:23] <humphreybc> godbyk, ping
[01:59] <humphreybc> ping vish
[03:20] <humphreybc> new getinvolved page, http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/
[03:33] <vish> humphreybc: pong
[03:33] <humphreybc> oh hey vish
[03:33] <vish> hi..
[03:34] <humphreybc> i was thinking of perhaps putting some icons here, instead of the collage of window tools
[03:34] <humphreybc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/
[03:34] <humphreybc> but i think the collage looks nice. do you see anywhere on the website that would benefit from any icons?
[03:35] <vish> hmm ,
[03:36] <humphreybc> have a look at the other two pages as well
[03:39] <humphreybc> Ahh, that's what I wanted icons for
[03:39] <humphreybc> at the moment i'm using the same image for the home page and the downloads page
[03:39] <humphreybc> I want a new image for the downloads page
[03:40] <humphreybc> i've sort of exhausted all of the image possibilities on the site already, i've used screenshots from the manual, the title page, the team logo and a collage of screenshots of our tools
[03:40] <vish> humphreybc: seems clean now.  IMO , no need icons , and not sure , where they would be required either.. [except "download now" , but that looks good as it is now as well]
[03:41] <humphreybc> cool
[03:42] <humphreybc> and an image for the download page to replace that one i'm using twice?
[03:42] <humphreybc> considering that page gives you the option for a manual in different languages and formats... maybe somehow we can find or create an image that shows that?
[03:44] <vish> humphreybc: the home "download now" and the other do that same thing right?
[03:44] <vish> or does the home one take you to the downloads page?
[03:44] <humphreybc> the home download now button detects your system language and then downloads the correct PDF
[03:44] <humphreybc> the "alternative download options" takes you to the download page
[03:45] <humphreybc> where you can specify a language, edition and printing optimized or not
[03:45] <vish> humphreybc: then , its the same action, its better to leave it sme
[03:45] <vish> same*
[03:45] <humphreybc> righto
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> hm, anyone else find the new accessibility tool, erm, lacking, in Lucid Alpha 3?
[03:47] <humphreybc> haven't installed alpha 3 yet
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> i'm guessing it'll change a lot before beta, but it means that we need to mention it
[03:47] <humphreybc> vish, so you like the site mockups?
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> also, we don't have a section on Gwibber, which is now a default app
[03:48] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: this is true
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: any thoughts on what to do about our hardware chapter?
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> i have not been able to get people to write anything.
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> perhaps we can divide it into 8 portions, or however many sections are left, and assign each to a different person.
[03:49] <IlyaHaykinson> ask for progress within 5 days, or something like that, to ensure that we have some progress
[03:49] <humphreybc> that sounds like a good idea
[03:50] <vish> humphreybc: looks nice..  i would probably move the first collage a bit higher in this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/
[03:50] <humphreybc> we need to have a meeting at some point i think
[03:50] <vish> there is a bit of extra space on the top of the collage
[03:50] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: next saturday, probably.
[03:50] <humphreybc> yep, so we're 18 days away from writing freeze
[03:50] <humphreybc> eek
[03:51] <vish> humphreybc: just a bit higher to make the "the manual project" more clearer and unobstructed
[03:51] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: right. so maybe doing it at the meeting is a bit too late
[03:52] <humphreybc> vish, done, it's in the branch but i won't bother re-uploading to flickr
[03:52] <vish> neat..
[03:53] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: hmm. i need to get cracking as well on finishing my installation chapter
[03:53] <humphreybc> what do you think of getting a bunch of people to thoroughly read it about 5 days before writing freeze and then report bugs?
[03:54] <humphreybc> i can ask joey at omgubuntu.co.uk to write a post asking for a bunch of testers and we'll get a load of people combing over it and filing bug reports
[03:54] <humphreybc> after dinner tonight i'm going to get cracking on the manual and get some more stuff done
[03:54] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: agreed. though realistically we will need to push the writing freeze further out.
[03:55] <IlyaHaykinson> some apps are still too raw to document properly
[03:55] <IlyaHaykinson> imho
[03:55] <humphreybc> true
[03:55] <humphreybc> maybe writing freeze 31 march?
[03:55] <humphreybc> that's only going to give the translators 20 days till RC to translate stuff though
[03:55] <IlyaHaykinson> perhaps something like a "content freeze", where we stop adding sections etc, and then a full "writing freeze" after beta has been installed and documented.
[03:56] <humphreybc> okay so lucid beta is the 18th
[03:56] <humphreybc> so if we do content freeze say the 20th, writing freeze the 31st
[03:56] <humphreybc> and our beta can be released on the 31st
[03:56] <IlyaHaykinson> let's do 21st and 31st -- the 21st is a Sunday.
[03:56] <humphreybc> okay cool
[03:57] <humphreybc> that gives authors 3 days to observe changes in lucid beta and add or remove sections accordingly
[03:57] <IlyaHaykinson> cool. that should give us enough time to incorporate beta UI changes
[03:57] <IlyaHaykinson> also... I need advice on Open Office.
[03:57] <humphreybc> and then ten days to finish their sections and the editors to clean it up
[03:57] <humphreybc> yeah?
[03:57] <IlyaHaykinson> it's a big undertaking -- i'm still working through Evolution, and OO is large enough to cause tons of headaches.
[03:57] <IlyaHaykinson> also Luke Jennings needs work to do, and we thought about splitting up OO
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> but I don't really think we can do OO justice in this timeframe.
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> so, my thinking is write literally 5 paragraphs on OO
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> have Luke spend time on Gwibber and other apps, or help with the hardware chapter
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> and i'll switch to doing editing
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> after my sections are done.
[03:58] <IlyaHaykinson> then, either in second edition or by 10.10 we can cover OO in reasonable detail.
[03:59] <IlyaHaykinson> OO does have a lot of help resources available for it, i think, so users shouldn't be left out in the cold.
[04:03] <humphreybc> yep okay that's a good plan
[04:04] <humphreybc> when should we request wide scale testing from readers of omgubuntu?
[04:04] <humphreybc> well, not testing
[04:04] <humphreybc> but bug checking
[04:04] <humphreybc> also, chapter 6 is looking a bit short...
[04:05] <humphreybc> chapter 4 and 6 are the trouble spots
[04:05] <humphreybc> i'll finish the second half of chapter 10 tonight on extra applications
[04:05] <humphreybc> also, for screenshots, i'm not sure we're going to have quickshot ready in time
[04:06] <humphreybc> we may have to manually capture screenshots in english, and then use those in the translated manuals for now
[04:06] <humphreybc> we'll try to capture shots that don't have much text
[04:06] <humphreybc> either that, or pick 5 or 10 "most popular" languages and manually translate screenshots for them
[04:07] <humphreybc> so we'd have 40+ translated manuals, with ten of those having localized screenshots and the rest english screenshots
[04:08] <humphreybc> after the writing freeze we can get all hands to the pumps on a) screenshots and b) translations - and if you only speak english, then you can help advertise and recruit screenshotters :P
[04:08] <humphreybc> oops
[04:08] <humphreybc> recruit translators*
[04:11] <humphreybc> and we'll have to make sure we fully utilize the ubuntu global jam
[04:11] <humphreybc> we could also post on the planet asking for help to translate
[04:11] <humphreybc> we have to give it our best effort
[04:13] <humphreybc> i think we also have to appoint a translator representative so we can communicate with the translators more
[04:15] <humphreybc> also, if we do end up having to choose some languages to get localized screenshots, what would they be?
[04:15] <humphreybc> spanish, german... japanese?
[04:15] <humphreybc> http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm
[04:16] <humphreybc> so chinese, spanish, arabic, hindi, portuguese, bengali, russian, japanese and german
[04:19] <IlyaHaykinson> i would choose languages that are different enough. so if we cut this down i would do english, a romance language (spanish, probably); a left-to-right language (arabic), a slavic language (russian), and then chinese.
[04:20] <IlyaHaykinson> actually, also add hindi
[04:20] <humphreybc> yeah
[04:20] <humphreybc> okay
[04:20] <humphreybc> so that's backup plan
[04:20] <humphreybc> quickshot probably won't be ready
[04:20] <humphreybc> so actually:
[04:20] <IlyaHaykinson> that would cover the top 5 localizations, and a ton of people
[04:20] <humphreybc> for screenshots:
[04:20] <humphreybc> PLAN A: Use quickshot to get translated screenshots
[04:21] <humphreybc> PLAN B: Manually capture screenshots for the top 5 localizations
[04:21] <IlyaHaykinson> brb
[04:21] <humphreybc> PLAN C: manually capture screenshots for english and duplicate them in all other languages
[04:42] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: agree with your plans
[05:31]  * godbyk yawns.
[05:31] <godbyk> I'm awake now.
[05:31] <godbyk> Gimme a sec and I'll make a test.ubuntu-manual.org site.
[05:58] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay, so now we have http://ubuntu-manual.org/, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/, and http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/.
[06:12] <humphreybc> hey godbyk
[06:12] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc.
[06:13] <humphreybc> i'm liking the build reports!
[06:13] <godbyk> Thanks!
[06:13] <humphreybc> did you host that progress bar somewhere too so i can email it to joey?
[06:13] <humphreybc> i'll email him the website as well with the countdown timer
[06:13] <godbyk> oh, no, I forgot.  Where can I get the progress bar again?
[06:13] <humphreybc> branch under team-images
[06:13] <humphreybc> should be there
[06:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: Okay: http://ubuntu-manual.org/progressbar.png
[06:14] <humphreybc> oh i'll make a favicon for the site too
[06:14] <humphreybc> sweet as :)
[06:14] <godbyk> cool
[06:15] <humphreybc> gimme one sec
[06:15] <humphreybc> wolter is going to work on the website now too
[06:15] <humphreybc> :)
[06:16] <humphreybc> how big are favicons? 14x14?
[06:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: 16x16
[06:17] <humphreybc> ah, 16x16
[06:17] <humphreybc> :P
[06:17] <godbyk> or a nice binary number.
[06:19] <humphreybc> gah
[06:22] <humphreybc> okay, in the branch under /website/favicon.ico
[06:22] <godbyk> I just wrote a script that'll do a bzr pull every 30 minutes for the website.
[06:23] <humphreybc> and does it build the new manuals every 30 mins?
[06:23] <godbyk> So if things in the website/ dir get updated, they'll appear on test.ubuntu-manual.org
[06:23] <godbyk> nope.
[06:23] <humphreybc> ohhh
[06:23] <godbyk> that's another box.
[06:23] <humphreybc> gotcha
[06:23] <humphreybc> cool!
[06:23] <humphreybc> you da man kevin :)
[06:24] <humphreybc> oh btw, fixed the problem with android dropping all the time. wasn't android's fault, it was our router. changed to WEP and it now works fine, a bit insecure but hey
[06:25] <godbyk> weird.
[06:25] <godbyk> brb. need to find something to eat.
[06:55] <humphreybc> godbyk, check out planet ubuntu: http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[06:59] <godbyk> cool
[07:00] <humphreybc> oO
[07:00] <humphreybc> the facebook page is missing from the countdown timer links
[07:02] <humphreybc> im just adding it in now
[07:11] <IlyaHaykinson> nice holding page
[07:12] <IlyaHaykinson> i would add a (c) 2010 Ubuntu Manual Team. And license CC-BY-SA
[07:15] <humphreybc> true
[07:15] <humphreybc> i'm trying to add a bigger gap between the "In the meantime you can follow us here:"
[07:15] <humphreybc> and the rest of the stuff
[07:16] <humphreybc> i thought a simple <br> would do it
[07:28] <humphreybc> godbyk, ive made changes to the countdown timer
[07:28] <humphreybc> also i've added in favicons, not sure if they'll show up though
[07:28] <godbyk> So have I. :)
[07:28] <humphreybc> I just stuck them in root :P
[07:28] <humphreybc> haha
[07:29] <humphreybc> well all i did was add in our facebook and planet pages, and shorten some of the descriptions of the links
[07:29] <humphreybc> i also added the copyright and CC-BY-SA at the bottom
[07:29] <humphreybc> still can't get the padding right, not sure what's up. I tried margins and padding but it doesn't seem to have much effect - you can have a play if you like to make it even prettier, i just pushed it
[07:29] <humphreybc> /website/countdown
[07:30] <godbyk> k
[07:30] <humphreybc> :)
[07:30] <humphreybc> does anyone know how we're going to translate the title page?
[07:31] <godbyk> humphreybc: If we use thorwil's simpler title page (which I like a lot), then we can put the whole title page in LaTeX. Then we'd use the actual \author and \title commands (which are already translated).
[07:32] <humphreybc> yeah that sounds like a good idea
[07:32] <humphreybc> i like his title page too :)
[07:32] <godbyk> I still have to fix some translations.
[07:33] <godbyk> I need to find fonts for some, fix bugs in latex code for others, etc.
[07:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: Better? http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[07:48] <humphreybc> absolutely!
[07:48] <humphreybc> thanks!
[07:48] <humphreybc> check out http://divajutta.com/doctormo/gcweb/
[07:48] <humphreybc> brett alton is working on that for martin, and brett is going to help us with our website too :)
[07:54] <IlyaHaykinson> nice design
[07:57] <humphreybc> yeah
[07:58] <humphreybc> so he's going to give us a hand with our site
[07:58] <humphreybc> http://brettalton.com
[08:02] <godbyk> cool
[08:11] <godbyk> I'm trying to push a couple website changes,and I'm getting this error:
[08:11] <godbyk> Using saved push location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[08:11] <godbyk> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[08:11] <godbyk> Any ideas what that means?
[08:15] <humphreybc> nope
[08:15] <humphreybc> using cli or gc>
[08:15] <humphreybc> ?*
[08:16] <IlyaHaykinson> that sounds like a cli problem
[08:17] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: meaning what?
[08:17] <godbyk> oh.. sorry, I missed humphreybc's question about.
[08:17] <godbyk> yeab, cli..
[08:18] <humphreybc> kk
[08:18] <humphreybc> reason i asked: http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/03/01/launchpad-moving-to-closed-source-auth/
[08:18] <humphreybc> they seemed to have gone through though kevin
[08:19] <humphreybc> added robots.txt file etc?
[08:19] <godbyk> nope, this is one after that.
[08:19] <humphreybc> heh, i was thinking of left aligning them :P
[08:24] <humphreybc> hey TommyBrunn
[08:24] <TommyBrunn> Hey
[08:24] <humphreybc> we've been playing around with your countdown thing, http://ubuntu-manual.org
[08:24] <humphreybc> also check out http://test.ubuntu-manual.org
[08:24] <TommyBrunn> Yeah, I just saw that.
[08:24] <humphreybc> godbyk: could you get the favicon working for the main site as well?
[08:24] <TommyBrunn> Oh, cool!
[08:25] <humphreybc> TommyBrunn: the test website renders nice in firefox but chrome not so much
[08:25] <humphreybc> but good news is that Brett Alton has offered to help us, http://brettalton.com
[08:25] <TommyBrunn> That's odd. I tried it in webkit, and it looks nice there - and they both use webkit.
[08:25] <TommyBrunn> Whoa, cool!
[08:26] <humphreybc> yeah :)
[08:26] <humphreybc> so we're going to have a kickass site
[08:26] <humphreybc> which is fantastic
[08:26] <godbyk> okay, I copied the diff to another machine and pushed.
[08:26] <humphreybc> godbyk: that's one way around it :P
[08:27] <humphreybc> you can delete the branch in your troublesome machine and unlink bzr... bzr --help
[08:27] <godbyk> the troublesome machine happens to be the web server. :-(
[08:27] <godbyk> I just did a pull --overwite on that machine.
[08:27] <godbyk> hopefully it's happy now
[08:28] <godbyk> the favicons should work.. they exist.
[08:28] <godbyk> though you don't have a <link> tag for them.
[08:35] <TommyBrunn> godbyk: They work.
[08:35] <TommyBrunn> You don't need a link tag for them.
[08:37] <godbyk> TommyBrunn: It's not required because most browsers look automatically, but it's nice to have them anyway.
[08:38] <TommyBrunn> True enough. Add this then: <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/x-icon" href="/favicon.ico" />
[09:20] <humphreybc> godbyk: what happened to the progress bar?
[09:20] <godbyk> gah.
[09:21] <godbyk> put the progress bar in the counter subdir and it'll show up
[09:21] <godbyk> sorry.
[09:21] <godbyk> the bzr pull killed it
[09:25] <godbyk> .my internet connection is flaking out on me.
[09:28] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[09:31] <godbyk> morning, ubuntujenkins
[09:31] <ubuntujenkins> how are you godbky?
[09:33] <godbyk> not too bad.
[09:33] <godbyk> trying to get some more translations working.
[09:33] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[09:33] <ubuntujenkins> I have got some more writing to do and quickshot work
[09:34] <godbyk> Which sections are you writing?
[09:34] <ubuntujenkins> helping with default apps and now some hardware stuff as well
[09:34] <godbyk> ah, gotcha.
[09:35] <godbyk> I think both those chapters need some help.
[09:35] <godbyk> there's a ton of material to cover.
[09:35] <ubuntujenkins> there is so much
[09:45] <godbyk> humphreybc: the progressbar.png file has to be in the countdown/ dir if you want it on ubuntu-manual.org/
[09:45] <humphreybc> oh really?
[09:45] <godbyk> website/ -> test.ubuntu-manual.org
[09:45] <humphreybc> ah okay
[09:46] <godbyk> website/countdown/ -> ubuntu-manual.org
[09:46] <humphreybc> kk
[09:46] <godbyk> 'cause *someone* didn't want the website up yet. :-P
[09:46] <humphreybc> :D
[09:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: should be there now.
[09:52] <humphreybc> it is indeed :)
[09:52] <humphreybc> thanks!
[10:29] <humphreybc> righto fellas, i'm off to bed
[10:30] <humphreybc> if brett alton shows up and wants to know about the website, give him everything he needs and help him get the stuff to work on it
[10:30] <humphreybc> other than that, priority is on writing and editing :)
[10:30] <humphreybc> i'll be back this time tomorrow and hopefully i'll have time to crack into writing myself
[10:31] <humphreybc> oh and also, any last minute feedback on Lernid etc, if people could please post that in the thread and i'll forward it to the relevant people in 24 hours time
[19:43] <dutchie> hi all
[19:45] <godbyk> hey, dutchie
[21:05] <humphreybc> jmburgess: you're still alive!
[21:12] <dutchie> humphreybc: how can you be 10 minutes late for a tutorial that starts on Thursday?
[21:12] <humphreybc> haha
[21:12] <humphreybc> no no, i turned up for the tutorial today and if it was on I would have been 10 minutes late
[21:13] <humphreybc> but it wasn't on, so i wasn't 10 minutes later
[21:13] <dutchie> oh
[21:13] <humphreybc> late*
[21:13] <dutchie> hehe
[21:25] <humphreybc> right i better get a move on to my next lecture
[21:25] <humphreybc> i just dropped $140NZD on a computer architecture text book
[21:25] <humphreybc> sounds like a fun class... but $140 text books are not cool
[21:26] <dutchie> how much is $140 in proper money?
[21:26] <humphreybc> divide it by 2.5
[21:27] <dutchie> £56
[21:27] <humphreybc> yup
[21:27] <dutchie> really? 2.5?
[21:27] <dutchie> that's quite a lot
[21:27] <humphreybc> i know
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> thats a tipical uk price
[21:27] <humphreybc> that's why so many UK peeps immigrate to NZ :P
[21:27] <dutchie> heh
[21:28]  * dutchie is staying here for the foreseeable future
[21:28] <humphreybc> haha
[21:29] <dutchie> might have a punt at US places for a masters though
[21:29] <dutchie> I'll see what happens
[21:29] <humphreybc> haha
[21:29] <humphreybc> okay
[21:30] <humphreybc> k catch you later folks
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> se ya
[21:57]  * ubuntujenkins files a quickshot bug because I can't solve it  3 days later sorted lol
[22:03]  * dutchie updates the translations before going to bed
[22:17]  * ubuntujenkins has fixed all of the quickshot bugs
[22:17] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: I very much doubt you've found the Last Bug
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> I mean all of the quckshot bugs that are know off :-) if filled the two i just fixed I couldn't fix them a few days ago
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> We are going to have so much fun whe resolution change is fully implimented :-)
[22:20] <dutchie> do you still want lshw/xrandr output on that ML thread?
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> I have yours already I think xrandr -s 800x600 works for you?
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> thansk :-)
[22:21] <dutchie> I didn't post anything
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> I got yours on irc about a week ago
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> you have intel if i remeber rightly
[22:22]  * dutchie sends anyway
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie
[23:37] <days_of_ruin> From the quickshot wiki: "Quickshot creates a new user called "quickshot" with the password "quickshot." The user is told to log in as "quickshot."" What kind of user is that?