[01:23] godbyk, ping [01:59] ping vish [03:20] new getinvolved page, http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ [03:33] humphreybc: pong [03:33] oh hey vish [03:33] hi.. [03:34] i was thinking of perhaps putting some icons here, instead of the collage of window tools [03:34] http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ [03:34] but i think the collage looks nice. do you see anywhere on the website that would benefit from any icons? [03:35] hmm , [03:36] have a look at the other two pages as well [03:39] Ahh, that's what I wanted icons for [03:39] at the moment i'm using the same image for the home page and the downloads page [03:39] I want a new image for the downloads page [03:40] i've sort of exhausted all of the image possibilities on the site already, i've used screenshots from the manual, the title page, the team logo and a collage of screenshots of our tools [03:40] humphreybc: seems clean now. IMO , no need icons , and not sure , where they would be required either.. [except "download now" , but that looks good as it is now as well] [03:41] cool [03:42] and an image for the download page to replace that one i'm using twice? [03:42] considering that page gives you the option for a manual in different languages and formats... maybe somehow we can find or create an image that shows that? [03:44] humphreybc: the home "download now" and the other do that same thing right? [03:44] or does the home one take you to the downloads page? [03:44] the home download now button detects your system language and then downloads the correct PDF [03:44] the "alternative download options" takes you to the download page [03:45] where you can specify a language, edition and printing optimized or not [03:45] humphreybc: then , its the same action, its better to leave it sme [03:45] same* [03:45] righto [03:47] hm, anyone else find the new accessibility tool, erm, lacking, in Lucid Alpha 3? [03:47] haven't installed alpha 3 yet [03:47] i'm guessing it'll change a lot before beta, but it means that we need to mention it [03:47] vish, so you like the site mockups? [03:47] also, we don't have a section on Gwibber, which is now a default app [03:48] IlyaHaykinson: this is true [03:48] humphreybc: any thoughts on what to do about our hardware chapter? [03:48] i have not been able to get people to write anything. [03:48] perhaps we can divide it into 8 portions, or however many sections are left, and assign each to a different person. [03:49] ask for progress within 5 days, or something like that, to ensure that we have some progress [03:49] that sounds like a good idea [03:50] humphreybc: looks nice.. i would probably move the first collage a bit higher in this > http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4396509533/sizes/o/ [03:50] we need to have a meeting at some point i think [03:50] there is a bit of extra space on the top of the collage [03:50] humphreybc: next saturday, probably. [03:50] yep, so we're 18 days away from writing freeze [03:50] eek [03:51] humphreybc: just a bit higher to make the "the manual project" more clearer and unobstructed [03:51] humphreybc: right. so maybe doing it at the meeting is a bit too late [03:52] vish, done, it's in the branch but i won't bother re-uploading to flickr [03:52] neat.. [03:53] IlyaHaykinson: hmm. i need to get cracking as well on finishing my installation chapter [03:53] what do you think of getting a bunch of people to thoroughly read it about 5 days before writing freeze and then report bugs? [03:54] i can ask joey at omgubuntu.co.uk to write a post asking for a bunch of testers and we'll get a load of people combing over it and filing bug reports [03:54] after dinner tonight i'm going to get cracking on the manual and get some more stuff done [03:54] humphreybc: agreed. though realistically we will need to push the writing freeze further out. [03:55] some apps are still too raw to document properly [03:55] imho [03:55] true [03:55] maybe writing freeze 31 march? [03:55] that's only going to give the translators 20 days till RC to translate stuff though [03:55] perhaps something like a "content freeze", where we stop adding sections etc, and then a full "writing freeze" after beta has been installed and documented. [03:56] okay so lucid beta is the 18th [03:56] so if we do content freeze say the 20th, writing freeze the 31st [03:56] and our beta can be released on the 31st [03:56] let's do 21st and 31st -- the 21st is a Sunday. [03:56] okay cool [03:57] that gives authors 3 days to observe changes in lucid beta and add or remove sections accordingly [03:57] cool. that should give us enough time to incorporate beta UI changes [03:57] also... I need advice on Open Office. [03:57] and then ten days to finish their sections and the editors to clean it up [03:57] yeah? [03:57] it's a big undertaking -- i'm still working through Evolution, and OO is large enough to cause tons of headaches. [03:57] also Luke Jennings needs work to do, and we thought about splitting up OO [03:58] but I don't really think we can do OO justice in this timeframe. [03:58] so, my thinking is write literally 5 paragraphs on OO [03:58] have Luke spend time on Gwibber and other apps, or help with the hardware chapter [03:58] and i'll switch to doing editing [03:58] after my sections are done. [03:58] then, either in second edition or by 10.10 we can cover OO in reasonable detail. [03:59] OO does have a lot of help resources available for it, i think, so users shouldn't be left out in the cold. [04:03] yep okay that's a good plan [04:04] when should we request wide scale testing from readers of omgubuntu? [04:04] well, not testing [04:04] but bug checking [04:04] also, chapter 6 is looking a bit short... [04:05] chapter 4 and 6 are the trouble spots [04:05] i'll finish the second half of chapter 10 tonight on extra applications [04:05] also, for screenshots, i'm not sure we're going to have quickshot ready in time [04:06] we may have to manually capture screenshots in english, and then use those in the translated manuals for now [04:06] we'll try to capture shots that don't have much text [04:06] either that, or pick 5 or 10 "most popular" languages and manually translate screenshots for them [04:07] so we'd have 40+ translated manuals, with ten of those having localized screenshots and the rest english screenshots [04:08] after the writing freeze we can get all hands to the pumps on a) screenshots and b) translations - and if you only speak english, then you can help advertise and recruit screenshotters :P [04:08] oops [04:08] recruit translators* [04:11] and we'll have to make sure we fully utilize the ubuntu global jam [04:11] we could also post on the planet asking for help to translate [04:11] we have to give it our best effort [04:13] i think we also have to appoint a translator representative so we can communicate with the translators more [04:15] also, if we do end up having to choose some languages to get localized screenshots, what would they be? [04:15] spanish, german... japanese? [04:15] http://geography.about.com/od/culturalgeography/a/10languages.htm [04:16] so chinese, spanish, arabic, hindi, portuguese, bengali, russian, japanese and german [04:19] i would choose languages that are different enough. so if we cut this down i would do english, a romance language (spanish, probably); a left-to-right language (arabic), a slavic language (russian), and then chinese. [04:20] actually, also add hindi [04:20] yeah [04:20] okay [04:20] so that's backup plan [04:20] quickshot probably won't be ready [04:20] so actually: [04:20] that would cover the top 5 localizations, and a ton of people [04:20] for screenshots: [04:20] PLAN A: Use quickshot to get translated screenshots [04:21] PLAN B: Manually capture screenshots for the top 5 localizations [04:21] brb [04:21] PLAN C: manually capture screenshots for english and duplicate them in all other languages [04:42] humphreybc: agree with your plans [05:31] * godbyk yawns. [05:31] I'm awake now. [05:31] Gimme a sec and I'll make a test.ubuntu-manual.org site. [05:58] humphreybc: Okay, so now we have http://ubuntu-manual.org/, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/, and http://ubuntu-manual.org/builds/. [06:12] hey godbyk [06:12] hey, humphreybc. [06:13] i'm liking the build reports! [06:13] Thanks! [06:13] did you host that progress bar somewhere too so i can email it to joey? [06:13] i'll email him the website as well with the countdown timer [06:13] oh, no, I forgot. Where can I get the progress bar again? [06:13] branch under team-images [06:13] should be there [06:14] humphreybc: Okay: http://ubuntu-manual.org/progressbar.png [06:14] oh i'll make a favicon for the site too [06:14] sweet as :) [06:14] cool [06:15] gimme one sec [06:15] wolter is going to work on the website now too [06:15] :) [06:16] how big are favicons? 14x14? [06:17] humphreybc: 16x16 [06:17] ah, 16x16 [06:17] :P [06:17] or a nice binary number. [06:19] gah [06:22] okay, in the branch under /website/favicon.ico [06:22] I just wrote a script that'll do a bzr pull every 30 minutes for the website. [06:23] and does it build the new manuals every 30 mins? [06:23] So if things in the website/ dir get updated, they'll appear on test.ubuntu-manual.org [06:23] nope. [06:23] ohhh [06:23] that's another box. [06:23] gotcha [06:23] cool! [06:23] you da man kevin :) [06:24] oh btw, fixed the problem with android dropping all the time. wasn't android's fault, it was our router. changed to WEP and it now works fine, a bit insecure but hey [06:25] weird. [06:25] brb. need to find something to eat. [06:55] godbyk, check out planet ubuntu: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ [06:59] cool [07:00] oO [07:00] the facebook page is missing from the countdown timer links [07:02] im just adding it in now [07:11] nice holding page [07:12] i would add a (c) 2010 Ubuntu Manual Team. And license CC-BY-SA [07:15] true [07:15] i'm trying to add a bigger gap between the "In the meantime you can follow us here:" [07:15] and the rest of the stuff [07:16] i thought a simple
would do it [07:28] godbyk, ive made changes to the countdown timer [07:28] also i've added in favicons, not sure if they'll show up though [07:28] So have I. :) [07:28] I just stuck them in root :P [07:28] haha [07:29] well all i did was add in our facebook and planet pages, and shorten some of the descriptions of the links [07:29] i also added the copyright and CC-BY-SA at the bottom [07:29] still can't get the padding right, not sure what's up. I tried margins and padding but it doesn't seem to have much effect - you can have a play if you like to make it even prettier, i just pushed it [07:29] /website/countdown [07:30] k [07:30] :) [07:30] does anyone know how we're going to translate the title page? [07:31] humphreybc: If we use thorwil's simpler title page (which I like a lot), then we can put the whole title page in LaTeX. Then we'd use the actual \author and \title commands (which are already translated). [07:32] yeah that sounds like a good idea [07:32] i like his title page too :) [07:32] I still have to fix some translations. [07:33] I need to find fonts for some, fix bugs in latex code for others, etc. [07:48] humphreybc: Better? http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [07:48] absolutely! [07:48] thanks! [07:48] check out http://divajutta.com/doctormo/gcweb/ [07:48] brett alton is working on that for martin, and brett is going to help us with our website too :) [07:54] nice design [07:57] yeah [07:58] so he's going to give us a hand with our site [07:58] http://brettalton.com [08:02] cool [08:11] I'm trying to push a couple website changes,and I'm getting this error: [08:11] Using saved push location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/ [08:11] bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir() [08:11] Any ideas what that means? [08:15] nope [08:15] using cli or gc> [08:15] ?* [08:16] that sounds like a cli problem [08:17] IlyaHaykinson: meaning what? [08:17] oh.. sorry, I missed humphreybc's question about. [08:17] yeab, cli.. [08:18] kk [08:18] reason i asked: http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/03/01/launchpad-moving-to-closed-source-auth/ [08:18] they seemed to have gone through though kevin [08:19] added robots.txt file etc? [08:19] nope, this is one after that. [08:19] heh, i was thinking of left aligning them :P [08:24] hey TommyBrunn [08:24] Hey [08:24] we've been playing around with your countdown thing, http://ubuntu-manual.org [08:24] also check out http://test.ubuntu-manual.org [08:24] Yeah, I just saw that. [08:24] godbyk: could you get the favicon working for the main site as well? [08:24] Oh, cool! [08:25] TommyBrunn: the test website renders nice in firefox but chrome not so much [08:25] but good news is that Brett Alton has offered to help us, http://brettalton.com [08:25] That's odd. I tried it in webkit, and it looks nice there - and they both use webkit. [08:25] Whoa, cool! [08:26] yeah :) [08:26] so we're going to have a kickass site [08:26] which is fantastic [08:26] okay, I copied the diff to another machine and pushed. [08:26] godbyk: that's one way around it :P [08:27] you can delete the branch in your troublesome machine and unlink bzr... bzr --help [08:27] the troublesome machine happens to be the web server. :-( [08:27] I just did a pull --overwite on that machine. [08:27] hopefully it's happy now [08:28] the favicons should work.. they exist. [08:28] though you don't have a tag for them. [08:35] godbyk: They work. [08:35] You don't need a link tag for them. [08:37] TommyBrunn: It's not required because most browsers look automatically, but it's nice to have them anyway. [08:38] True enough. Add this then: [09:20] godbyk: what happened to the progress bar? [09:20] gah. [09:21] put the progress bar in the counter subdir and it'll show up [09:21] sorry. [09:21] the bzr pull killed it [09:25] .my internet connection is flaking out on me. [09:28] morning all [09:31] morning, ubuntujenkins [09:31] how are you godbky? [09:33] not too bad. [09:33] trying to get some more translations working. [09:33] cool [09:33] I have got some more writing to do and quickshot work [09:34] Which sections are you writing? [09:34] helping with default apps and now some hardware stuff as well [09:34] ah, gotcha. [09:35] I think both those chapters need some help. [09:35] there's a ton of material to cover. [09:35] there is so much [09:45] humphreybc: the progressbar.png file has to be in the countdown/ dir if you want it on ubuntu-manual.org/ [09:45] oh really? [09:45] website/ -> test.ubuntu-manual.org [09:45] ah okay [09:46] website/countdown/ -> ubuntu-manual.org [09:46] kk [09:46] 'cause *someone* didn't want the website up yet. :-P [09:46] :D [09:51] humphreybc: should be there now. [09:52] it is indeed :) [09:52] thanks! [10:29] righto fellas, i'm off to bed [10:30] if brett alton shows up and wants to know about the website, give him everything he needs and help him get the stuff to work on it [10:30] other than that, priority is on writing and editing :) [10:30] i'll be back this time tomorrow and hopefully i'll have time to crack into writing myself [10:31] oh and also, any last minute feedback on Lernid etc, if people could please post that in the thread and i'll forward it to the relevant people in 24 hours time [19:43] hi all [19:45] hey, dutchie [21:05] jmburgess: you're still alive! [21:12] humphreybc: how can you be 10 minutes late for a tutorial that starts on Thursday? [21:12] haha [21:12] no no, i turned up for the tutorial today and if it was on I would have been 10 minutes late [21:13] but it wasn't on, so i wasn't 10 minutes later [21:13] oh [21:13] late* [21:13] hehe [21:25] right i better get a move on to my next lecture [21:25] i just dropped $140NZD on a computer architecture text book [21:25] sounds like a fun class... but $140 text books are not cool [21:26] how much is $140 in proper money? [21:26] divide it by 2.5 [21:27] £56 [21:27] yup [21:27] really? 2.5? [21:27] that's quite a lot [21:27] i know [21:27] thats a tipical uk price [21:27] that's why so many UK peeps immigrate to NZ :P [21:27] heh [21:28] * dutchie is staying here for the foreseeable future [21:28] haha [21:29] might have a punt at US places for a masters though [21:29] I'll see what happens [21:29] haha [21:29] okay [21:30] k catch you later folks [21:30] se ya [21:57] * ubuntujenkins files a quickshot bug because I can't solve it 3 days later sorted lol [22:03] * dutchie updates the translations before going to bed [22:17] * ubuntujenkins has fixed all of the quickshot bugs [22:17] ubuntujenkins: I very much doubt you've found the Last Bug [22:18] I mean all of the quckshot bugs that are know off :-) if filled the two i just fixed I couldn't fix them a few days ago [22:19] We are going to have so much fun whe resolution change is fully implimented :-) [22:20] do you still want lshw/xrandr output on that ML thread? [22:21] I have yours already I think xrandr -s 800x600 works for you? [22:21] thansk :-) [22:21] I didn't post anything [22:21] I got yours on irc about a week ago [22:22] you have intel if i remeber rightly [22:22] * dutchie sends anyway [22:22] thanks dutchie [23:37] From the quickshot wiki: "Quickshot creates a new user called "quickshot" with the password "quickshot." The user is told to log in as "quickshot."" What kind of user is that?