[06:19]  * jussi01 prods persia
[06:19] <persia> So, you're showing me old devices.  What do you want in a device?
[06:20] <jussi01> 3g. HW keyboard. arm. decent screen
[06:20] <jussi01> pocketable
[06:20] <persia> I think the Netwalker is the best current choice.
[06:20] <persia> The thing I was carrying in Dallas.
[06:20] <jussi01> netwalker has 3g?
[06:21] <persia> Has USB.  Putting the module internal vs. external is just a hack (nice plastic tabs let the case open and close again).
[06:21] <jussi01> inside is important to me - I dont want to carry _another_ peice
[06:22] <persia> There's not a lot of space, but there's some.
[06:22] <persia> Nothing else runs Ubuntu without complaints.  N900 can, but noe if you also want it to be a phone.
[06:23] <persia> SmartQ5/n810 can run Karmic, but not lucid or future, and neither has native 3g.
[06:23] <persia> Something like the D4 works, but most of the folk I've shown mine complain it's too big, and it suffers from PSB anyway.
[06:24] <persia> There's a bunch of stuff that can be hacked to run Jaunty, but Jaunty armel wasn't that polished.
[06:24] <persia> And that stuff can't be upgraded.
[06:24] <jussi01> I dont need ubuntu. ;) just linux. 
[06:24] <persia> The Gigabyte/Algo/Compal stuff works, but has a moderate battery life, needs closed touchscreen drivers, and suffers from PSB.
[06:25] <persia> N900, but don't expect support here or compatibility with our repos.
[06:25] <persia> And some bits are closed (but included in the default stack)
[06:26] <jussi01> yeah and the rubbish that will be meego :(
[06:27] <persia> Well, n900 default stack is debian-based.  THe next release might be based on MeeGo, but that's in the future.
[06:27] <persia> And I'm not convinced MeeGo is rubbish: some folk I respect have had good things to say about it.
[06:27] <persia> although it's certainly a far cry from Ubuntu.
[06:33]  * persia has a suspicion that the above summarises why there's no good "mobile" flavour of Ubuntu right now, and the "Netbook" flavours are getting the attention
[06:37] <jussi01> :/
[06:37] <persia> jussi01: Just get a NetWalker.  That helps send the signal that people actually *want* handheld devices that can/do run Ubuntu.
[06:38] <persia> Sticking a USB 3G card in a case is a fairly easy mod: just unwrap the plastic from the handheld and the module, stick the module in the case, connect the USB, and put back the case.
[06:39] <jussi01> persia: I havent a load of cash. If I buy something, it has to be right. the netwalker is super, but still has things mising for me. 
[06:39] <persia> Yeah :/
[06:40] <persia> But nobody is making a good device right now.
[06:40] <jussi01> :(
[06:41] <persia> A few years ago, I would have recommended the Sharp SL-C3100 or 3200 without reservations.  VGA, 4/6GB HD, 5-8hrs runtime, USB host, can install Debian.
[06:41] <persia> Modular 3G through a CF slot.
[06:41] <persia> You might be able to pick one up used (they are no longer manufactured).
[06:41] <persia> But only 64MB ram, 400MHz proc, and can't run Ubuntu.
[06:41] <persia> (Well, you can jam Jaunty on it if you like)
[12:47] <maja87_> hi
[12:48] <persia> Hey.
[12:52] <maja87_> i have a question
[12:52] <maja87_> is there any linux op for Samsung Omnia I900?
[12:53] <maja87_> i m no longer want to user WM
[12:54] <persia> I don't quite understand.  What does "op" mean in this context?  What sort of hardware is that?
[12:55] <maja87_> op is operating system
[12:55] <maja87_> :)
[12:55]  * persia usually uses "OS" for that
[12:55] <maja87_> yes but here is a local sleng so sorry
[12:55] <maja87_> :)
[12:55] <maja87_> so the hardware is
[12:55] <maja87_> http://img.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/samsung/samsung-i900-omnia-02.jpg
[12:56] <maja87_> and it runs now Windows Mobile 6.5
[12:56] <maja87_> but i dont want to use it, i need a linux OS to this phone
[12:56] <persia> OK.  Do you already know how to access a bootloader and adjust the flash?
[12:57] <persia> Also, do you expect it to still work as a phone after the change?
[13:02] <maja87_> maybe
[13:02] <maja87_> :)
[13:02] <maja87_> i tryed google Android before
[13:02] <persia> On that hardware?
[13:02] <maja87_> yyes
[13:03] <maja87_> it works very buggy
[13:03] <maja87_> :)
[13:03] <maja87_> if i not useing it with sim, android works well
[13:04] <persia> In that case, you probably have some way to get into the hardware.
[13:04] <maja87_> but if i try out with sim, when i enter the pin, and unlock the sim, fatal error, black screen and freeze
[13:04] <persia> You'll need a custom kernel for it, as it's not supported by Ubuntu.
[13:05] <maja87_> i think there is an ubuntu mobile os or not?
[13:07] <maja87_> so i need a kernel wich support the omnia hardware cos android kernel have a lot of bug
[13:07] <persia> Looks like you can run Jaunty.  I'm not sure about Karmic.  You won't be able to run lucid.
[13:08] <persia> Ubuntu doesn't have a kernel that works on that hardware.
[13:08] <maja87_> :(
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[17:02] <fschulte> ping ogra
[17:02] <ogra> yes ? 
[17:02] <fschulte> oh, hi
[17:02] <ogra> hey
[17:03] <ogra> sorry, i didnt get around to answer your mail yet and i'm about to leave
[17:03] <fschulte_> you mean to go afk?
[17:03] <ogra> i'll send you an answer mail tomorrow, promised
[17:03] <ogra> yes
[17:04] <ogra> i just stood up from the chair the second you pinged :)
[17:04] <fschulte_> great! :)
[17:04] <fschulte_> hehe
[17:04] <fschulte_> cu
[17:04] <ogra> ciao
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