[03:40] GeekSquid called the ops in #ubuntu (rinah Troll or just plain idoit) [09:03] DaemonFC is ban-evading in #ubuntu+1. Banned address; c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net [09:13] Oops. I sent DaemonFC there after an off-topic question in #ubuntu-devel (following some on-topic discussion) [09:42] rww: looking now [09:43] daemonfc wouldn't be our favourite spammer now, would he? [09:44] looking....... [09:44] the first name and isp certainly fit the profile [09:45] he's doding the ban in +1 for sure [09:45] elky: Ryan Farmer? Yes, that's him. [09:45] DaemonFC: hi, thanks for joining [09:45] yeah, I know [09:45] you know what ? [09:46] you hate my guts [09:46] errr no [09:46] I also know what happens in 5 seconds [09:46] I was just going to ask you to leave #ubuntu+1 as there is a ban on that channel for you, and see if we can resolve the bans for you [09:46] ok, I'm not there now [09:47] thank you [09:47] We should maybe discuss the shoot on sight standing order over a spat in 2008? [09:47] DaemonFC: if you could give me 60 to just finish reading up [09:47] :) [09:48] shoot on sight, I'm not actually sure what you're talking about - but just let me finish reading the notes [09:49] DaemonFC: ok, I was just catching up on your bans as there are many there [09:49] you're probably reading a lot of duplicates from "Hey, you got banned 6 months ago!" [09:49] *whack* [09:49] but that's just my guess [09:50] sorry - my phone went [09:50] no, there are not lots of duplicates, there are a couple of issues, and a set of instances of you trying to get around the bans [09:50] not true [09:51] if the ban expires and I re-enter a room under the same name, that's not an evasion [09:51] yes - true, I've got the details in front of me, but I'm not debating that, I'd like to, if possible resolve your bans in the channels [09:51] DaemonFC: a ban doesn't expire - unless it's removed [09:51] that's a ban expiring and an op being a twit [09:52] no - it's not. If a ban had been removed I would not say "you where ban evading" [09:52] I also don't have to let anyone know it's me [09:52] I wouldn't be talking to you about it [09:52] I didn't say you did [09:52] if I was trying to evade a ban, you woudn't be talking with me because you wouldn't know [09:53] I guess the first question is, do you want to resolve these issues and start re-joining/using the channels freely [09:53] sure why not? [09:53] :) [09:53] Where's the paperwork? [09:53] ok, so that's a good start [09:53] who do I make an appeal to (again)? [09:54] there is quite a history of bans on you for various behaviour under various nicknames (again part of tring to get around the bans) [09:54] I don't know what other nicknames you're referring to [09:54] if you could explain what that behaviour was all about, and show a little intention of not repeating it, that would be great [09:54] DaemonDEB, DaemonMDV, DaemonXP, AlmightyCthulu [09:54] ring any bells ? [09:55] well, the first three are obviously me [09:55] ok - so if you re-read and re-apply the question then please. [09:55] it's been years, how would I know [09:56] some people obviously have long memories about trivial things [09:56] I am not so blessed [09:56] DaemonFC: it's not been years, and you where a persistant issue inthe channel as you where a week or so ago in #ubuntu-offtopic, so I'll ask again, what's with the persistant distruption to the channel behaviour ? [09:57] I think that time someone brought up mono and the assorted Microsoft patents that are held on it [09:57] and I advised that I wouldn't use it [09:58] and got banned [09:58] no, you used rude language towards people [09:59] actually - in all honesty, with your history, I feel this is a waste of time [09:59] I'm not going to pursue it fther [09:59] apologies for miss-leading you, but I can't see a point in going through this again when you're clearly still playing innocent to your behaviour/ [10:00] your call again [10:00] no problem [10:00] apologies [10:00] it obviously doesn't help that I didn't try to be dishonest [10:00] someone else will definitely remember that next time [10:01] DaemonFC: ok, I note your comment [10:04] @mark #ubuntu-ops DaemonFC attempted to resolve multiple bans, got lies/time wasting innocense back. Pointless to continue, not genuine [10:04] The operation succeeded. [10:04] rww: good eyes, thank you [10:04] he just rejoined #ubuntu+1 [10:05] helps if I spell his name right in a ban [10:22] ikonia [10:22] yes ? [10:22] If I agreed to bite my tongue, could there be a way of potentially clearing those bans? [10:23] DaemonFC: not at the moment, I don't want to discuss this any more at the moment. I tried earlier and just got the same old story back, so I don't want to do that pointless trip again at this time [10:23] (just being honest) [10:24] if you think it's pointless, great. I'm telling you I don't remember the whole range of crap in detail over why those are in place. [10:24] if you come back at another time, and try being a bit more honest with your responses, I'm sure it will get sorted [10:24] You have logs and it's not fresh in my memory [10:24] I appreciate that [10:24] so you probably do know more about it than I remember [10:25] again, I appreciate that, but you know exactly what you did in #ubuntu-offtopic, and you know what you where doing with all the spamming, and trolling in the past [10:25] spamming? [10:25] for WHAT!? [10:25] your blog/link [10:25] http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com [10:25] (or a blog/link) that you found ammusing [10:26] I assume it's yours with the name [10:26] wait a second, where was I selling anything or making revenue or whatever? [10:26] that's what I call spam [10:26] ok "advertising" your link [10:26] thank you [10:27] you're not banned in #ubuntu, so you're free to use that channel [10:27] see how you get on in ther [10:27] there [10:27] make me sound like I'm selling black market Russian Viagra or something [10:27] no, I didn't [10:27] again - this is the pointlessness I don't want to go around again [10:28] one question though [10:28] ok [10:28] Why is it futile to talk to any ops due to all bans being indefinite and pointless to contest? [10:28] it's not [10:29] if you're just straight about stuff, %99.9 of the time things can get resolved easy [10:29] Shouldn't they be like 1 month, 6 month, etc and give the person incentive to improve? (ok thats 2) [10:30] no [10:30] it can be as short as 10 minutes if the issue is resolved [10:30] there is no set time policy [10:30] as I said, most things are normally resolved easy, however it's persitant issues, and just not being straight when trying to resolve the issues [10:30] that's what drags things out [10:30] so if a person can't remember an off the cuff remark than they're screwed? [10:30] not at all [10:31] most of the time that can be worked through, and I'm not asking you to remember the remakrs, more your overall behaviour [10:31] I'm an asshole [10:31] there [10:31] your attempts to get around bans, your attitude, your language, your topics to try to set of an issue [10:32] ok - so in your words, why should we let someone who is an "asshole" back into the channels to cause distruption to other users who are not "assholes" ? [10:32] because anyone can be an asshole situationally and choose not to keep it in check? [10:33] DaemonFC: ok, perfect response, however on the past you have chosen not to [10:33] so what's changed ? [10:33] DaemonFC: ok - shall we try to work out a deal [10:34] ok, well, most systems don't indefinetely punish people for things they have done or keep punishing on the assumption that in the future they may do something [10:34] well, you've not changed so far, hence why I'm trying to work something out with you [10:34] yeah, go ahead [10:36] you're not banned in #ubuntu, see how you get on with that, if you can control yourself for a month in #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban in #ubuntu+1, then we can set a plan for #ubuntu-offtopic ? [10:36] I'll put a note in the logs, so it's not just me who can deal with it [10:36] alright [10:36] seem a reasonable way forward ? [10:37] yes [10:37] perfect [10:37] I'll put a note in the logs now for #ubuntu+1 [10:37] any problems/queries please ask as it's better to ask than make a bad reaction [10:38] yeah. and this way it's not like nobody else can look and say "I didn't see any note on that" [10:38] good [10:38] I've just updated the notes now [10:38] so we can review it a month from now [10:39] I'll be back [10:39] :) [10:54] buzzbuzz [10:57] gulp [10:57] ? [10:59] It's all about frogs. [11:00] I'm actually glad I have no idea what you're talking about (: [11:00] the side effects of my chronic pain meds are a bit disturbing, I feel hyperactive all the time and on the other hand I'm really tired because I've slept so poorly due to feeling hyperactive the couple past nights. So if I seem weird, feel free to slap me [11:01] * Tm_T huggles myrtti [11:01] myrtti: you are weird to start with, so if you start acting normal then? :P :D [11:01] (hugs really, that must suck) [11:01] oh but the pain is gone, I guess that's good? [11:05] this lack of concentration really is annoying [11:07] myrtti: yeah, one of the reasons I'm trying to stay away from meds [12:11] * jussi01 waves to rww, heya! did you need a hand with something? [12:12] oops, forgot I was still in here, thanks :) [12:20] bazhang: hi, how can we help you? [12:20] * Tm_T hides [12:25] heh [12:41] don't be so rude [12:43] * Tm_T huggles ikonia [12:58] hugging is also rude [12:58] apprantly everything that goes on in this channel is rude [12:58] Indeed. That's why we're banished here. [13:12] * myrtti grabs tim_______ in pm === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [13:25] *sigh* [13:26] * Pici sighs at LimCore [13:26] really ? [13:26] I thought I'd got him going in the right track [13:32] *sigh* tim_______ doesn't acknowledge my pm and I'm not too keen on putting the issue on table at #ubuntu-uk [13:32] the issue? [13:33] didn't get help in #ubuntu, so [13:33] [15:09] < tim_______> oooo fuck you all self son of a bitches [13:33] [15:09] ~~~tim_______ [~tim@89.241.0.157] has left #ubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [13:33] lovely [13:33] I don't want to ban or banforward, it wouldn't result in anything [13:34] I just wanted to poke in pm to tell him that that language is uncalled for and not needed. but *shrug* [13:34] Myrtti, does this mean daughters of such are exempt? [14:52] * genii makes a very large pot of coffee [15:13] is ubottu lagging today? [15:13] !ping [15:13] Here I am, brain the size of a planet and you expect me to respond to a ping? How depressing. [15:13] Doesn't look like it. [15:14] okay, because its not responding to the message I sent it so I don't spam the public channels... [15:14] ah, there's the issue... my bad (misspelled :P) [15:14] Trek: What did you send it? [15:14] okay :) [15:14] !info [15:14] 'name>' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, intrepid, intrepid-backports, jaunty, jaunty-backports, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner [15:14] lol forgot ubottu is in here [15:26] umm, Konqueror is still the default web browser in Kubuntu? [15:34] that would be better asked in #kubuntu [15:35] * charlie-tca doesn't know the answer, either [15:36] ...aww, I thought I was in k-d :p [16:00] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join) [16:02] Just a reminder to clear out stale bans, there are about ~340 bans in #ubuntu currently, and ~220 in #ubuntu-offtopic. [16:03] I'm about to clean out about 30 old floodbot bans [16:15] Yay, that looks better: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans.html [16:17] Pici: wut? [16:17] Tm_T: I like graphs [16:18] Pici: I like too, nice (: [16:22] when do we get stats for other channels [16:22] knome: such as? [16:23] #xubuntu [16:23] knome: 34 bans. whee. [16:23] Myrtti, i want a day-to-day graph [16:23] ;) [16:24] oh god, what old bans [16:24] yeah [16:24] proportional to the amount of users? [16:24] I just added #kubuntu and #xubuntu to that graph, it'll start graphing within the next 10 minutes. [16:25] #xubuntu is included on the population graphs I've been running though: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccount2.html [16:28] I'm in no condition to prune the bans further though [16:28] hmm, can farnborough be argued to be towards Exeter? [16:28] * Daviey checks [16:29] the bus/lorry strike just made my blood pressure jump soaring high [16:29] err, wrong window [16:29] Myrtti, fsst. :) they started it? [16:29] tomorrow at 1800 [16:29] aaaaaaah [16:29] i'll get back from london then [16:29] :) [16:30] I've got flights on Wednesday and the question is does the plane have petrol to fly to UK [16:30] yeah [16:30] who are you flying with? [16:30] ryanair? [16:31] flight operated by blue1 [16:31] ahok. [16:35] how so? :) [16:36] I'm going to Cambridge and it's easier to fly from Tampere to there by Ryanair [16:37] yeah [16:39] I'm in a state of panic though [16:40] good luck. [16:43] great, lag. [16:43] :D [16:47] In #ubuntu, Allmighty said: ubottu then why is gameserver not working too? [17:15] In #ubuntu, WizardOfOz said: !question is there a software like Ghostsurf to unblock filtered websites ?? === niko is now known as Guest79188 === nik0 is now known as niko [18:17] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (carmentina) [18:18] solid_liquid called the ops in #ubuntu (carmentina) [18:19] KB1JWQ: it's all yours, I'm bit busy elsewhere (; [18:20] Tm_T: Heh, I'm not named explicitly in the ACL, I have to use staff powers to do it. :-p [18:21] ooh, right [18:21] Not opposed to doing it, but I have to wait for it to be... blatant. [18:21] yeah [19:03] it's useless trying to ban [19:04] I'd end up doing a ban so wide it would catch half of Spain [19:05] topyli: Would I be overreacting if I sent a banforward for enthdegree to -ops for his weird clone behavior? [19:07] Pici, i haven't been watching, but he could use a general brushup on behavior in general, that's for sure [19:31] Anyway, I told him to cut it out and that he is responsible for anyone connecting with his account. === maco2_ is now known as maco2