[09:03] <rww> DaemonFC is ban-evading in #ubuntu+1. Banned address; c-68-57-223-4.hsd1.in.comcast.net
[09:13] <persia> Oops.  I sent DaemonFC there after an off-topic question in #ubuntu-devel (following some on-topic discussion)
[09:42] <ikonia> rww: looking now
[09:43] <elky> daemonfc wouldn't be our favourite spammer now, would he?
[09:44] <ikonia> looking.......
[09:44] <elky> the first name and isp certainly fit the profile
[09:45] <ikonia> he's doding the ban in +1 for sure
[09:45] <rww> elky: Ryan Farmer? Yes, that's him.
[09:45] <ikonia> DaemonFC: hi, thanks for joining
[09:45] <DaemonFC> yeah, I know
[09:45] <ikonia> you know what ?
[09:46] <DaemonFC> you hate my guts
[09:46] <ikonia> errr no
[09:46] <DaemonFC> I also know what happens in 5 seconds
[09:46] <ikonia> I was just going to ask you to leave #ubuntu+1 as there is a ban on that channel for you, and see if we can resolve the bans for you
[09:46] <DaemonFC> ok, I'm not there now
[09:47] <ikonia> thank you
[09:47] <DaemonFC> We should maybe discuss the shoot on sight standing order over a spat in 2008?
[09:47] <ikonia> DaemonFC: if you could give me 60 to just finish reading up
[09:47] <DaemonFC> :)
[09:48] <ikonia> shoot on sight, I'm not actually sure what you're talking about - but just let me finish reading the notes
[09:49] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, I was just catching up on your bans as there are many there
[09:49] <DaemonFC> you're probably reading a lot of duplicates from "Hey, you got banned 6 months ago!"
[09:49] <DaemonFC> *whack*
[09:49] <DaemonFC> but that's just my guess
[09:50] <ikonia> sorry - my phone went
[09:50] <ikonia> no, there are not lots of duplicates, there are a couple of issues, and a set of instances of you trying to get around the bans
[09:50] <DaemonFC> not true
[09:51] <DaemonFC> if the ban expires and I re-enter a room under the same name, that's not an evasion
[09:51] <ikonia> yes - true, I've got the details in front of me, but I'm not debating that, I'd like to, if possible resolve your bans in the channels
[09:51] <ikonia> DaemonFC: a ban doesn't expire - unless it's removed
[09:51] <DaemonFC> that's a ban expiring and an op being a twit
[09:52] <ikonia> no - it's not. If a ban had been removed I would not say "you where ban evading"
[09:52] <DaemonFC> I also don't have to let anyone know it's me
[09:52] <ikonia> I wouldn't be talking to you about it
[09:52] <ikonia> I didn't say you did
[09:52] <DaemonFC> if I was trying to evade a ban, you woudn't be talking with me because you wouldn't know
[09:53] <ikonia> I guess the first question is, do you want to resolve these issues and start re-joining/using the channels freely
[09:53] <DaemonFC> sure why not?
[09:53] <DaemonFC> :)
[09:53] <DaemonFC> Where's the paperwork?
[09:53] <ikonia> ok, so that's a good start
[09:53] <DaemonFC> who do I make an appeal to (again)?
[09:54] <ikonia> there is quite a history of bans on you for various behaviour under various nicknames (again part of tring to get around the bans)
[09:54] <DaemonFC> I don't know what other nicknames you're referring to
[09:54] <ikonia> if you could explain what that behaviour was all about, and show a little intention of not repeating it, that would be great
[09:54] <ikonia> DaemonDEB, DaemonMDV, DaemonXP, AlmightyCthulu
[09:54] <ikonia> ring any bells ?
[09:55] <DaemonFC> well, the first three are obviously me
[09:55] <ikonia> ok - so if you re-read and re-apply the question then please.
[09:55] <DaemonFC> it's been years, how would I know
[09:56] <DaemonFC> some people obviously have long memories about trivial things
[09:56] <DaemonFC> I am not so blessed
[09:56] <ikonia> DaemonFC: it's not been years, and you where a persistant issue inthe channel as you where a week or so ago in #ubuntu-offtopic, so I'll ask again, what's with the persistant distruption to the channel behaviour ?
[09:57] <DaemonFC> I think that time someone brought up mono and the assorted Microsoft patents that are held on it
[09:57] <DaemonFC> and I advised that I wouldn't use it
[09:58] <DaemonFC> and got banned
[09:58] <ikonia> no, you used rude language towards people
[09:59] <ikonia> actually - in all honesty, with your history, I feel this is a waste of time
[09:59] <ikonia> I'm not going to pursue it fther
[09:59] <ikonia> apologies for miss-leading you, but I can't see a point in going through this again when you're clearly still playing innocent to your behaviour/
[10:00] <DaemonFC> your call again
[10:00] <ikonia> no problem
[10:00] <ikonia> apologies
[10:00] <DaemonFC> it obviously doesn't help that I didn't try to be dishonest
[10:00] <DaemonFC> someone else will definitely remember that next time
[10:01] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, I note your comment
[10:04] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops DaemonFC attempted to resolve multiple bans, got lies/time wasting innocense back. Pointless to continue, not genuine
[10:04] <ikonia> rww: good eyes, thank you
[10:04] <rww> he just rejoined #ubuntu+1
[10:05] <ikonia> helps if I spell his name right in a ban
[10:22] <DaemonFC> ikonia
[10:22] <ikonia> yes ?
[10:22] <DaemonFC> If I agreed to bite my tongue, could there be a way of potentially clearing those bans?
[10:23] <ikonia> DaemonFC: not at the moment, I don't want to discuss this any more at the moment. I tried earlier and just got the same old story back, so I don't want to do that pointless trip again at this time
[10:23] <ikonia> (just being honest)
[10:24] <DaemonFC> if you think it's pointless, great. I'm telling you I don't remember the whole range of crap in detail over why those are in place.
[10:24] <ikonia> if you come back at another time, and try being a bit more honest with your responses, I'm sure it will get sorted
[10:24] <DaemonFC> You have logs and it's not fresh in my memory
[10:24] <ikonia> I appreciate that
[10:24] <DaemonFC> so you probably do know more about it than I remember
[10:25] <ikonia> again, I appreciate that, but you know exactly what you did in #ubuntu-offtopic, and you know what you where doing with all the spamming, and trolling in the past
[10:25] <DaemonFC> spamming?
[10:25] <DaemonFC> for WHAT!?
[10:25] <ikonia> your blog/link
[10:25] <ikonia> http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com
[10:25] <ikonia> (or a blog/link) that you found ammusing
[10:26] <ikonia> I assume it's yours with the name
[10:26] <DaemonFC> wait a second, where was I selling anything or making revenue or whatever?
[10:26] <DaemonFC> that's what I call spam
[10:26] <ikonia> ok "advertising" your link
[10:26] <DaemonFC> thank you
[10:27] <ikonia> you're not banned in #ubuntu, so you're free to use that channel
[10:27] <ikonia> see how you get on in ther
[10:27] <ikonia> there
[10:27] <DaemonFC> make me sound like I'm selling black market Russian Viagra or something
[10:27] <ikonia> no, I didn't
[10:27] <ikonia> again - this is the pointlessness I don't want to go around again
[10:28] <DaemonFC> one question though
[10:28] <ikonia> ok
[10:28] <DaemonFC> Why is it futile to talk to any ops due to all bans being indefinite and pointless to contest?
[10:28] <ikonia> it's not
[10:29] <ikonia> if you're just straight about stuff, %99.9 of the time things can get resolved easy
[10:29] <DaemonFC> Shouldn't they be like 1 month, 6 month, etc and give the person incentive to improve? (ok thats 2)
[10:30] <ikonia> no
[10:30] <ikonia> it can be as short as 10 minutes if the issue is resolved
[10:30] <ikonia> there is no set time policy
[10:30] <ikonia> as I said, most things are normally resolved easy, however it's persitant issues, and just not being straight when trying to resolve the issues
[10:30] <ikonia> that's what drags things out
[10:30] <DaemonFC> so if a person can't remember an off the cuff remark than they're screwed?
[10:30] <ikonia> not at all
[10:31] <ikonia> most of the time that can be worked through, and I'm not asking you to remember the remakrs, more your overall behaviour
[10:31] <DaemonFC> I'm an asshole
[10:31] <DaemonFC> there
[10:31] <ikonia> your attempts to get around bans, your attitude, your language, your topics to try to set of an issue
[10:32] <ikonia> ok - so in your words, why should we let someone who is an "asshole" back into the channels to cause distruption to other users who are not "assholes" ?
[10:32] <DaemonFC> because anyone can be an asshole situationally and choose not to keep it in check?
[10:33] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok, perfect response, however on the past you have chosen not to
[10:33] <ikonia> so what's changed ?
[10:33] <ikonia> DaemonFC: ok - shall we try to work out a deal
[10:34] <DaemonFC> ok, well, most systems don't indefinetely punish people for things they have done or keep punishing on the assumption that in the future they may do something
[10:34] <ikonia> well, you've not changed so far, hence why I'm trying to work something out with you
[10:34] <DaemonFC> yeah, go ahead
[10:36] <ikonia> you're not banned in #ubuntu, see how you get on with that, if you can control yourself for a month in #ubuntu, I'll remove the ban in #ubuntu+1, then we can set a plan for #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[10:36] <ikonia> I'll put a note in the logs, so it's not just me who can deal with it
[10:36] <DaemonFC> alright
[10:36] <ikonia> seem a reasonable way forward ?
[10:37] <DaemonFC> yes
[10:37] <ikonia> perfect
[10:37] <ikonia> I'll put a note in the logs now for #ubuntu+1
[10:37] <ikonia> any problems/queries please ask as it's better to ask than make a bad reaction
[10:38] <DaemonFC> yeah. and this way it's not like nobody else can look and say "I didn't see any note on that"
[10:38] <DaemonFC> good
[10:38] <ikonia> I've just updated the notes now
[10:38] <ikonia> so we can review it a month from now
[10:39] <DaemonFC> I'll be back
[10:39] <DaemonFC> :)
[10:54] <myrtti> buzzbuzz
[10:57] <jussi01> gulp
[10:57] <Tm_T> ?
[10:59] <persia> It's all about frogs.
[11:00] <Tm_T> I'm actually glad I have no idea what you're talking about (:
[11:00] <myrtti> the side effects of my chronic pain meds are a bit disturbing, I feel hyperactive all the time and on the other hand I'm really tired because I've slept so poorly due to feeling hyperactive the couple past nights. So if I seem weird, feel free to slap me
[11:01]  * Tm_T huggles myrtti
[11:01] <jussi01> myrtti: you are weird to start with, so if you start acting normal then? :P :D
[11:01] <jussi01> (hugs really, that must suck)
[11:01] <myrtti> oh but the pain is gone, I guess that's good?
[11:05] <myrtti> this lack of concentration really is annoying
[11:07] <Tm_T> myrtti: yeah, one of the reasons I'm trying to stay away from meds
[12:11]  * jussi01 waves to rww, heya! did you need a hand with something?
[12:12] <rww> oops, forgot I was still in here, thanks :)
[12:20] <Tm_T> bazhang: hi, how can we help you?
[12:20]  * Tm_T hides
[12:25] <bazhang> heh
[12:41] <ikonia> don't be so rude
[12:43]  * Tm_T huggles ikonia
[12:58] <ikonia> hugging is also rude
[12:58] <ikonia> apprantly everything that goes on in this channel is rude
[12:58] <persia> Indeed.  That's why we're banished here.
[13:12]  * myrtti grabs tim_______ in pm
[13:25] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[13:26]  * Pici sighs at LimCore 
[13:26] <ikonia> really ?
[13:26] <ikonia> I thought I'd got him going in the right track
[13:32] <Myrtti> *sigh* tim_______ doesn't acknowledge my pm and I'm not too keen on putting the issue on table at #ubuntu-uk
[13:32] <popey> the issue?
[13:33] <Myrtti> didn't get help in #ubuntu, so
[13:33] <Myrtti> [15:09] < tim_______> oooo fuck you all self son of a bitches
[13:33] <Myrtti> [15:09] ~~~tim_______ [~tim@89.241.0.157] has left #ubuntu ["Ex-Chat"]
[13:33] <popey> lovely
[13:33] <Myrtti> I don't want to ban or banforward, it wouldn't result in anything
[13:34] <Myrtti> I just wanted to poke in pm to tell him that that language is uncalled for and not needed. but *shrug*
[13:34] <elky> Myrtti, does this mean daughters of such are exempt?
[14:52]  * genii makes a very large pot of coffee
[15:13] <Trek> is ubottu lagging today?
[15:13] <Pici> !ping
[15:13] <Pici> Doesn't look like it.
[15:14] <Trek> okay, because its not responding to the message I sent it so I don't spam the public channels...
[15:14] <Trek> ah, there's the issue... my bad (misspelled :P)
[15:14] <Pici> Trek: What did you send it?
[15:14] <Pici> okay :)
[15:14] <Trek> !info <package name>
[15:14] <Trek> lol forgot ubottu is in here
[15:26] <Tm_T> umm, Konqueror is still the default web browser in Kubuntu?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> that would be better asked in #kubuntu
[15:35]  * charlie-tca doesn't know the answer, either
[15:36] <Tm_T> ...aww, I thought I was in k-d :p
[16:02] <Pici> Just a reminder to clear out stale bans, there are about ~340 bans in #ubuntu currently, and ~220 in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:03] <Pici> I'm about to clean out about 30 old floodbot bans
[16:15] <Pici> Yay, that looks better: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans.html
[16:17] <Tm_T> Pici: wut?
[16:17] <Pici> Tm_T: I like graphs
[16:18] <Tm_T> Pici: I like too, nice (:
[16:22] <knome> when do we get stats for other channels
[16:22] <Pici> knome: such as?
[16:23] <knome> #xubuntu
[16:23] <Myrtti> knome: 34 bans. whee.
[16:23] <knome> Myrtti, i want a day-to-day graph
[16:23] <knome> ;)
[16:24] <Myrtti> oh god, what old bans
[16:24] <knome> yeah
[16:24] <charlie-tca> proportional to the amount of users?
[16:24] <Pici> I just added #kubuntu and #xubuntu to that graph, it'll start graphing within the next 10 minutes.
[16:25] <Pici> #xubuntu is included on the population graphs I've been running though: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccount2.html
[16:28] <Myrtti> I'm in no condition to prune the bans further though
[16:28] <Daviey> hmm, can farnborough be argued to be towards Exeter?
[16:28]  * Daviey checks
[16:29] <Myrtti> the bus/lorry strike just made my blood pressure jump soaring high
[16:29] <Daviey> err, wrong window
[16:29] <knome> Myrtti, fsst. :) they started it?
[16:29] <Myrtti> tomorrow at 1800
[16:29] <knome> aaaaaaah
[16:29] <knome> i'll get back from london then
[16:29] <knome> :)
[16:30] <Myrtti> I've got flights on Wednesday and the question is does the plane have petrol to fly to UK
[16:30] <knome> yeah
[16:30] <Myrtti> who are you flying with?
[16:30] <Myrtti> ryanair?
[16:31] <knome> flight operated by blue1
[16:31] <Myrtti> ahok.
[16:35] <knome> how so? :)
[16:36] <Myrtti> I'm going to Cambridge and it's easier to fly from Tampere to there by Ryanair
[16:37] <knome> yeah
[16:39] <Myrtti> I'm in a state of panic though
[16:40] <knome> good luck.
[16:43] <Myrtti> great, lag.
[16:43] <knome> :D
[18:19] <Tm_T> KB1JWQ: it's all yours, I'm bit busy elsewhere (;
[18:20] <KB1JWQ> Tm_T: Heh, I'm not named explicitly in the ACL, I have to use staff powers to do it. :-p
[18:21] <Tm_T> ooh, right
[18:21] <KB1JWQ> Not opposed to doing it, but I have to wait for it to be... blatant.
[18:21] <Tm_T> yeah
[19:03] <Myrtti> it's useless trying to ban
[19:04] <Myrtti> I'd end up doing a ban so wide it would catch half of Spain
[19:05] <Pici> topyli: Would I be overreacting if I sent a banforward for enthdegree to -ops for his weird clone behavior?
[19:07] <topyli> Pici, i haven't been watching, but he could use a general brushup on behavior in general, that's for sure
[19:31] <Pici> Anyway, I told him to cut it out and that he is responsible for anyone connecting with his account.