[00:37] <Maletor> How could I set up Ubuntu as a SIP server (for VOIP phones)?
[00:37] <persia> asterisk seems the popular solution these days.
[00:37] <twb> There's that other one that isn't asterisk, too
[00:38] <twb> I forget the name
[00:38]  * persia also, perhaps indicating it's not as commonly used :)
[00:38] <twb> It's allegedly less annoying to set up
[00:39] <twb> I have a feeling it has "net" or "open" in its name
[00:39] <persia> "ser" perhaps?
[00:39]  * persia is just reading through the output of `apt-cache search sip`
[00:39] <twb> persia: no debtags?
[00:40] <persia> I don't tend to use debtags myself.
[00:40] <persia> I suspect they would be useful for stuff like this :)
[00:40] <twb> aptitude search ~Gvoip
[00:40] <persia> sipwitch can be a server, but I think only a peer server.
[00:40] <twb> None of the matches ring a bell
[00:40] <persia> One might also ask in #ubuntu-voip, but I know they have a spec this cycle to make asterisk good, so the advice may not be very different.
[00:41] <twb> Haha "what are the deliverables for this project?" "We want it to SUCK LESS." "Sigh."
[00:48] <persia> twb: http://www.mutt.org/
[00:49] <twb> persia: hmm?
[00:49] <twb> Oh, their motto
[00:49] <persia> Yes.  I suspect your quotes are a reference to that (either directly, or through cultural osmosis)
[00:49] <twb> Actually I was quoting ok-cancel.com
[00:50] <persia> And I believe that ok-cancel.com was (directly or indirectly) quoting mutt.org :)  It's a good meme, and 15 years is a long time.
[00:50] <persia> Anyway, doesn't matter :)
[00:51] <twb> Well, the joke -- which mutt didn't understand -- is that there's no rational metric for suckage, so you CAN'T make it a deliverable or a requirement.
[00:52] <persia> rationality is overvalued :p
[00:52] <twb> (Which isn't to say that I don't use and like mutt.)
[01:12] <Maletor> How do I get my ubuntu box to run an SIP server so that I can use VOIP?
[01:13] <twb> Maletor: did you hear any of the discussion before you timed out?
[01:15] <Maletor> No.
[01:52] <zroysch>  /dev/md2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
[01:52] <zroysch> this is very bad?
[01:59] <twb> zroysch: that would depend on what's inconsistent
[01:59] <twb> zroysch: pastebin the lines above that
[02:01] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1816369
[02:01] <zroysch> i think im not gonna have much if any data left after this is over
[02:02] <twb> zroysch: that error alone isn't too serious -- I'd take it as meaning you might have lost on directory tree worth of stuff -- as long as it's not something like /etc/
[02:03] <persia> And some of the stuff may well end up in lost+found after fsck -y
[02:19] <MatBoy> not nice, my hylafax modem does not pickup
[02:21] <zroysch> mine still do
[04:25] <jeeves_Moss> are there any good alts for an on-line streaming media server other than Ampache?
[04:26] <Sam-I-Am> icecast?
[04:27] <jeeves_Moss> Sam-I-Am, any others?  I was reading along, and it looked like Ampache was the best choice, but the interface sucks, and it won't let me get the album art, etc
[04:28] <jeeves_Moss> icecast does streaming?
[04:28] <persia> Isn't that all it does?
[04:28] <jeeves_Moss> yes, but it sucks.
[04:29] <jeeves_Moss> I've got over 12,000 MP3s, and I want to be able to stream it to my work PC
[04:30] <twb> There's that daemon that mimics an Apple thing, with all those security bugs
[04:30] <Sam-I-Am> i used icecast long ago... it worked fine
[04:30] <twb> mt-daapd?
[04:30] <twb> I suspect that'd be more betterer
[04:30] <jeeves_Moss> ok, as I said, my biggest things are a web interface with a web stream, and the ability to get the album art, etc
[04:31] <twb> AIUI mt-daapd allows your client to see music stored on another machine, and then play it locally in any order
[04:31] <twb> Whereas a true stream would require you to ssh into the other box in order to generate playlists and such
[04:31] <jeeves_Moss> twb, I can't install ANYTHING on the work PCs though
[04:31] <twb> I see.
[04:31] <jeeves_Moss> twb, I'd like a true web interface for everything
[04:32] <twb> If I were you, I'd just boot a live CD/key on your office machine.
[04:32] <twb> And if that wasn't allowed, I'd bring my laptop.  And if THAT wasn't allowed, I'd go work somewhere else
[04:32] <jeeves_Moss> twb, I would like to use it for testing on client systems
[04:32] <persia> twb: There are options beyond those :)
[04:32] <twb> hand waving
[04:33] <jeeves_Moss> twb, lol, I'm the managed services manager, so I get free reign of the network, but......  I have to look like I'm playing "by the rules"
[04:33] <twb> What, you allow PHBs into your office?
[04:33] <jeeves_Moss> PHBs?
[04:34] <twb> No bucket of whitewash balanced over the door?
[04:34] <jeeves_Moss> lol,  no one dares to venture into my basement, and to even touch the "rack" is an unspoken rule
[04:36] <Harrison_> im having some trouble setting up a mail server, I just did a fresh install, and installed the postfix-dovecot package. i can receive mail with my mail client, and send within the domain, just not to anything out of it...
[05:22] <Roxyhart0>  i need to setting ip tables to use the port 25 just for emails, somebody know how to do that? because some viruses are using port 25
[05:47] <jeeves_Moss> I'm getting "icecast2 daemon disabled - read /etc/default/icecast2." right now, any ideas?
[06:00] <genii> jeeves_Moss: There's a line in the config file to comment out, it is disabled by default
[06:00] <jeeves_Moss> genii, do you recall the line?
[06:02] <genii> jeeves_Moss: ENABLE=true    is what it needs to be
[06:02] <jeeves_Moss> genii, I think I did that already
[06:04] <genii> jeeves_Moss: I don't currently have it installed here to double-check, etc. But I remember it was a pain to get going right off, the config file change was confusing. There may also be some xml file to mess with
[06:05] <jeeves_Moss> genii, ok, thanks.
[06:05] <genii> jeeves_Moss: Maybe check http://sudosys.be/?q=icescast2_ices2_audio_streaming_server
[06:05] <jeeves_Moss> genii, thanks
[06:06] <jeeves_Moss> genii, irony is that I'm looking @ that page already!  LOL
[06:06] <genii> Heh!
[07:54] <jiboumans> good morning
[08:47] <hagedorn__>  hello, http://pastie.org/847460 ... have a configuration problem... i am a bit confused about the ports of dkimproxy exim etc,  please have a look: /usr/local/bin/dkimproxy.out: socket connect failure: Connection refused,   R=dkimproxy T=dkimproxy_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host
[08:58] <hagedorn__> hallo, ich hab nen exim4 +  dkimproxy  problem und der exim channel hält ubuntu nicht  für nen betriebsystem :(  , http://pastie.org/847460 ... habe denke ich eine konfigurationsfehler ..  schaut mal hier bitte :) : /usr/local/bin/dkimproxy.out: socket connect failure: Connection refused,   R=dkimproxy T=dkimproxy_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host
[08:59] <persia> !de
[08:59] <persia> But asking in English here may get more targeted server information, if you are able.
[09:05] <hagedorn__> ups, sorry ... youre right :) maybe aim able...
[09:06] <hagedorn__> but not able to configure exim4 + dkimproxy on LTS ... have a bit port confusion
[09:11] <persia> hagedorn__: Everything at http://pastie.org/847460 looks sane to me, although I've never tried to configure that.  Maybe someone else has good ideas.
[10:46] <swift> hi guys.. i wanna upgrade my ancient ubuntu6.10 edgy to LTS(8.04 hardy)
[10:46] <swift> is there a way i can do this?
[10:47] <twb> Via feisty and gutsy, I imagine
[10:47] <swift> twb?.. feisty is a different version then LTS right?
[10:47] <Jeeves_> Yes
[10:48] <swift> ok got it... 3 steps
[10:48] <swift> edgy-> feisty, feisty->gutsy, gutsy->hardy
[10:48] <twb> swift: 6.04 was lts, but 6.10 isn't.  Thus, you can't upgrade in one go (lts to lts)
[10:49] <persia> twb: 6.06
[10:49] <persia> swift: You may find http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ useful along the way
[10:53] <twb> Yeah, sorry
[10:53] <persia> No worries.  It was a while back, and would have been 6.04 if we had the experience we have now :)
[12:44] <zul> morning
[12:45] <pmatulis> morning
[12:53] <coffeedude> fal
[13:18] <Omahn> soren: Do you need any testing of lxc container builds in vmbuilder?
[14:22] <lolovdb> hi all
[14:23] <lolovdb> anyone know something about this error ?  "Panic: Early exception 0e rip 10:ffffffff818c8a32 error 0 ........" ? i try to install ubuntu server 9.10, i tried 10.04 alpha3 but same error
[14:23] <Omahn> stgraber: Does a release of vmbuilder exist with lxc support? It doesn't appear to be listed under the supported hypervisor list in the release or copies on LP.
[14:24] <Omahn> lolovdb: Is this a physical machine or virtual one?
[14:24] <lolovdb> physical
[14:24] <stgraber> Omahn: it's marked as supported by ubuntu-vm-builder on the spec
[14:24] <Omahn> lolovdb: I would check the hardware first then before proceeding any further, try memtest86+
[14:25] <Omahn> stgraber: Yeah I spotted that but I can't find any reference to it in the released version of the bzr repo.
[14:25] <lolovdb> ok thanks i will try :) thx for answer
[14:36] <lolovdb> i have some error during the memtest86+
[14:36] <Omahn> lolovdb: That's your problem then :-)
[14:37] <lolovdb> the memory is bad?
[14:37] <Omahn> lolovdb: Correct. If you have more than one stick of RAM you could try systematically testing each stick until you find the dud.
[14:39] <stgraber> soren: ^
[14:40] <soren> stgraber: Right. Erm... "vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --only-chroot" would be a good start.
[14:41] <lolovdb> thx a lot Omahn
[14:42] <stgraber> Omahn: ^
[14:46] <Omahn> lolovdb: No problem.
[14:46] <Omahn> stgraber, soren: I'll give that a go now.
[14:49] <zroysch> what does it mean when you fsck a partition, it finishes, it tells you its really messed up and you have to do it manually, so you do it manually, put a cd spindle on the enter key all night and it finishes, then you go to mount and it still says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md2,
[14:49] <hyperlinx> cannot install a the LAN driver "intel e1000e" on ubuntu 8.04 server edition
[14:50] <zroysch> /dev/md2: clean, 121548/122101760 files, 298355433/488381248 blocks
[14:50] <zroysch> when i try to fsck again
[14:53] <zul> happy happy joy joy
[14:53] <nucking> hey everyone, can anybody recommend a good gigabit lan nic that will definitely work with ubuntu and doesn't cost too much?
[14:54] <stgraber> nucking: go with Intel e1000 based network cards though most gigabit network cards will work
[14:54] <nucking> not the one i have =/
[14:54] <nucking> can you name an intel e1000 based nic?
[14:55] <nucking> oh, has to be pci
[15:13] <Omahn> soren: Are you planning on vmbuilder generating an LXC config file?
[15:14] <soren> Omahn: If you can show me what it looks like, I can probably add it quite easily.
[15:15] <Omahn> soren: http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/lxc-configure-ubuntu-lucid-containers/
[15:15] <Omahn> soren: Under the 'Generate a config file' entry
[15:15] <soren> Omahn: Can you add a bug against vmbuilder (the upstream project) about this? I use that as a TODO list.
[15:16] <Omahn> soren: np.
[15:35] <kirkland> TeTeT: glad to have you on board ;-)
[15:35] <TeTeT> kirkland: no problem, happy to help. just setting up bug 442598
[15:37] <kirkland> TeTeT: cool, thanks
[15:41] <zroysch> what does it mean when you fsck a partition, it finishes, it tells you its really messed up and you have to do it manually, so you do it manually, put a cd spindle on the enter key all night and it finishes, then you go to mount and it still says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md2,
[15:47] <netrat> zroysch, what device are you trying to parition?
[15:47] <zroysch> netrat: not trying to partition it
[15:47] <zroysch> just trying to get the data
[15:47] <zroysch> its a 3 drive raid5
[15:48] <netrat> zroysch, what filesystem? ext3?
[15:48] <zroysch> yes
[15:49] <zroysch> though i think it got demoted to ext2
[15:49] <netrat> zroysch, what is the output of mdadm -D /dev/md2
[15:49] <zroysch> [79278.375224] ext3: No journal on filesystem on md2
[15:49] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1817312
[15:52] <pmatulis> re tomcat6-mod_jk-apache2 with SSL, we use mod_ssl and this module is built-in with apache2?  any specific pitfalls to watch out for?
[15:58] <zroysch> netrat: does that help?
[16:04] <TeTeT> kirkland: looking for bug 450309 on second laptop
[16:34] <hggdh> soren: do you have the test configs you used for the automated server tests?
[17:06] <TeTeT> kirkland: the -vga std option seems to be broken now completely
[17:12] <alex88> if i have a vps with multiple ip on eth0 how can i set that program to use another ip when connecting somewhere?
[17:24] <alex88> ok i've found...
[17:46] <kirkland> TeTeT: yeah, agreed, i see that broken here too
[17:46] <kirkland> TeTeT: i'll try to get aliguori's help on it tomorrow
[17:46] <kirkland> TeTeT: do you have that bug # handy?
[17:47] <TeTeT> kirkland: there are two bugs on -vga std, bug 513273 seems to be best match
[17:49] <TeTeT> kirkland: I'm calling it a day, as I will start my day during your night, if you want me to test anything, look into something, drop me an email.
[17:49] <kirkland> TeTeT: great, thanks!
[17:49] <kirkland> TeTeT: happy to have your help
[17:49] <TeTeT> bye
[18:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: hi!
[18:15] <mathiaz> kirkland: how is the bug fest going?
[18:47] <kirkland> zul: hi
[18:47] <zul> kirkland: hey
[18:48] <kirkland> zul: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/+bug/514883
[18:48] <kirkland> zul: any chance you can try what I suggested in comment #3?
[18:48] <kirkland> zul: and post your results to that bug?
[18:48] <zul> kirkland: sure when I get a chance
[18:48] <kirkland> zul: thanks, dude
[18:48] <kirkland> zul: btw, congrads on that hockey win yesterday ;-)
[18:48] <zul> thanks
[18:48] <mjeanson> kirkland: if you need help testing something, drop me a line
[18:49] <kirkland> zul: i don't even like hockey, but i was excited with that goal with 24 secs left :-)
[18:49] <zul> kirkland: i was more excited about the goal in overtime ;)
[18:49] <kirkland> mjeanson: howdy!
[18:49] <kirkland> mjeanson: can you look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm and test any bugs that you care about on an up-to-date Lucid system?  adding notes where you can and can't reproduce them?
[18:49] <kirkland> zul: i'm sure you were :-)
[18:50] <kirkland> zul: i told kim, "Boy, I bet Chuck is excited right now :-)"
[18:53] <mjeanson> kirkland: at least half the country was really excited ;)
[18:53] <kirkland> mjeanson: heh!  was a really exciting game
[19:11] <jronnblom> lucid alpha3 seems to be missing a driver for the new DELL PERC card H200 and H700/H800
[19:19] <jronnblom> should use the mpt2sas driver
[19:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland,  bug 471765 in karmic still exists
[20:05] <nucking> hey everyone, i just installed a new nic in my little server and i wonder how i can update the drivers
[20:07] <nucking> looks like eth1 is not being recognized
[20:07] <jevidl> nucking: what kind of nic is it?
[20:07] <nucking> some intel pro something
[20:08] <nucking> gigabit lan
[20:08] <nucking> when i do ifconfig the eth1 doesn't show up
[20:09] <jevidl> nucking: that could just mean that it is unconfigured. What happens if you do 'ifconfig eth1'
[20:10] <nucking> device not found
[20:12] <jevidl> ok, can you run "sudo lspci | grep Intel" and paste the output into paste.ubuntu.com and then paste a link to the post here?
[20:12] <nucking> ugh
[20:12] <nucking> the problem is i can't access the internet other than from this cli
[20:13] <nucking> and i'm not that good with "pasting" stuff in the cli *blush*
[20:13] <jevidl> ok, well, does this machine have more than one nic in it?
[20:13] <nucking> yup
[20:13] <nucking> the inner one is the new one
[20:13] <jevidl> are they both intel?
[20:14] <nucking> i just did your command and 2 showed up
[20:14] <nucking> but one is a controller
[20:14] <nucking> i mean, one is an ethernet controller
[20:14] <nucking> the other one is a network controller
[20:14] <jevidl> ok, that's alright
[20:14] <nucking> might both be the same
[20:14] <nucking> i think the onboard one (outer one) is marvel something
[20:15] <jevidl> is it something like 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[20:16] <nucking> 82541pi
[20:16] <nucking> that's the ethernet controller
[20:16] <jevidl> ok
[20:17] <nucking> before we continue
[20:17] <nucking> i wanna tell you what i did, i just removed the old asus nic (that caused troubles due to bad drivers)
[20:17] <nucking> and replaced it with this new one
[20:17] <nucking> i did not uninstall anything
[20:17] <nucking> and i only booted the comp 1 time
[20:17] <jevidl> that shouldn't be a huge thing
[20:17] <nucking> should i just try rebooting?
[20:17] <jevidl> It couldn't hurt, is this on a server or a desktop?
[20:18] <nucking> or should it automatically work on the first boot?
[20:18] <nucking> server
[20:18] <jevidl> ok. You usually shouldn't need to reboot
[20:18] <jevidl> let's see if you have the correct driver loading
[20:18] <nucking> thanks a lot for your time btw
[20:19] <jevidl> np. Can you run "lspci | grep em" and see if it returns any lines?
[20:20] <nucking> a few
[20:20] <nucking> the first 3 are ram controller
[20:20] <nucking> or memory controllers
[20:20] <nucking> and the 4th is an ethernet controller
[20:20] <nucking> but for realtek
[20:21] <nucking> i suppose that could be the onboard one and i mixed stuff up
[20:21] <nucking> i suppose the desktop has that marvel one
[20:21] <jevidl> ok
[20:23] <tdn> I tried following this HOWTO: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upside-Down-TernetHowTo but when I test it from my other laptop, it cannot connect to any hosts via HTTP. I am guessing this must be a squid problem or something like that. How do I fix this?
[20:23] <jevidl> nucking: try running sudo modprobe e1000
[20:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: what about in Lucid?
[20:23] <nucking> jevidl: nothing happened
[20:24] <jevidl> nucking: it just returned to a prompt? If so, that means it loaded that module correctly
[20:24] <nucking> what module did it load?
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, haven't tested yet, will do this week :)
[20:24] <jevidl> nucking: try running ifconfig and let me know what interfaces it finds now. hopefully the eth0, lo, and eth1 adapters will show up now.
[20:24] <RoAkSoAx> i haven't had the time to migrate to lucid just yet
[20:24] <jevidl> nucking: the e1000 module - it provides support for many intel based nics
[20:25] <nucking> nope still only eth0 and lo
[20:25] <jevidl> nucking: sorry, you need to run "ifconfig -a", my mistake
[20:26] <nucking> looks like i now have eth2
[20:26] <nucking> =/
[20:27] <nucking> i've got everything setup for eth0 and eth1
[20:27] <nucking> =P
[20:27] <tdn> There is nothing in the logs.
[20:28] <jevidl> nucking: ok, you may want to reboot and try running ifconfig -a again. I forgot about the -a switch which tells ifconfig to show all adapters even if they are unconfigured. If you don't have an eth2 after rebooting you will need to run "sudo modprobe e1000" again to see if it shows up after that
[20:29] <nucking> ok i'll try that
[20:29] <nucking> brb
[20:32] <nucking> jevidl: alright eth2 is in the list
[20:32] <jevidl> nucking: without running the modprobe command?
[20:32] <nucking> yup
[20:33] <jevidl> ok, sorry for leading you on a bit of a run around. I forgot about ifconfig -a
[20:33] <nucking> no worries
[20:33] <jevidl> I am not sure why you get eth2, instead of eth1. I am pretty sure that it has to do with udev. give me  just a moment to see if I can find something
[20:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: thanks
[20:35] <jevidl> nucking: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[20:36] <jevidl> nucking: I am assuming you will see entries for eth1 and eth2 in there, in addition to eth0
[20:36] <nucking> i remember having done something there before
[20:36] <nucking> because i swapped the eths
[20:36] <nucking> not sure if i swapped them back
[20:36] <jevidl> nucking: if you remove the line with eth1, and rename eth2 to eth1 you should have it named properly
[20:36] <jevidl> nucking: I would reboot to make sure it is persistent
[20:36] <nucking> ok i'll check
[20:38] <nucking> alright time for reboot
[20:40] <nucking> jevidl, thank you so much =D
[20:40] <nucking> now i hope this nic doesn't cause the same problems as the old one
[20:40] <jevidl> nucking: no problem. I take it that straightened out the card order issues?
[20:40] <nucking> i learned myself, asus may make good motherboards, but their nics are...
[20:40] <jevidl> nucking: :)
[20:40] <nucking> yeah
[20:41] <nucking> i'm on irc with my desktop now, so it has to work
[20:41] <nucking> now i gotta check if the samba works properly
[20:41] <jevidl> nucking: good good. One other thing I noticed when looking up some stuff is that for at least some intel nics there's some hardware support for vlan tagging. If you're not using vlanning, don't sweat it.
[20:41] <nucking> vlan tagging?
[20:42] <nucking> what's that good for?
[20:42] <jevidl> nucking: don't sweat it then :) if you want to know more, search for 802.1q vlans
[20:42] <nucking> heh ok
[20:42] <jevidl> nucking: it's generally used in very large networks to logically divide the network up based on switch ports, rather than needing separate physical hardware for each network.
[20:43] <nucking> oh, well this is a very small home network
[20:43] <nucking> just me, my desktop and a few wireless consoles
[20:43] <jevidl> nucking: yeah, unless you want to become a network administrator someday, I wouldn't worry about it
[20:43] <jevidl> nucking: your card can live happily at home without ever having that setting adjusted :)
[20:43] <nucking> hehe
[20:44] <nucking> i have yet to find a good book that introduces me to the usefull basics of linux, i've tried a few, none we're that usefull for me =/
[20:46] <guntbert> !serverguide | nucking
[20:46] <larsemil> What is this UEC? why would i want to use it?
[20:46] <nucking> guntbert, thanks i'll give that a read, is there a print version avaialable? preferrably in german?
[20:46] <guntbert> !tldp | nucking an of course
[20:48] <guntbert> nucking: search for linux, kofler  (a rather fat book)
[20:48] <nucking> thanks
[20:48] <nucking> 15 results at my library xD
[20:48] <guntbert> gern geschehen :)
[20:48] <jevidl> nucking: I also learned a great deal by picking something that I wanted to, like run a webpage, and then trying to do it following guides and what not. Helping out in the forums can also be a great way to learn things because you get to deal with a more varied number of problems than you would with just your own computers. Even if you don't know the answer to someones problem, doing some googling or reading the things people suggest can help you lear
[20:48] <jevidl> :)
[20:49] <nucking> well it's not so much running an apache or other things
[20:49] <nucking> much more using linux itself, like i would have never known how to check for lspci
[20:49] <nucking> i assume thats like ls for pci?
[20:50] <jevidl> nucking: sure, that's just an example. The forums, as well as having your own issues, help with learning how to troubleshoot things.
[20:50] <nucking> but what gave me real headaches was setting up a local dhcp, firewall and generally bringing my server to forward my internet connection to the desktop
[20:50] <jevidl> nucking: yes, it's just like ls, but it lists the pci devices that the computer has installed instead of the files in the present working directory.
[20:51] <jevidl> nucking: yep, I bet you learned a lot from it though, didn't you?
[20:51] <nucking> oh well, yes
[20:51] <nucking> but honestly
[20:51] <nucking> i wouldn't wanna have to setup the firewall again
[20:51] <nucking> haha
[20:51] <nucking> i settled with shorewall
[20:52] <nucking> but i'm also really helpless with very basic things, like copy paste on linux
[20:52] <nucking> or opening a cli browser
[20:52] <nucking> copying some text in/out
[20:52] <nucking> i suppose i would have to | the text to some virtual device
[20:52] <guntbert> nucking: the links I sent you are covering all that :-)
[20:53] <nucking> guntbert, as i said, i'll give them a go, thanks again for your help and info guys
[20:53] <jevidl> nucking: np, good luck
[20:53] <nucking> if my connection dies now i'm gonna go mad
[20:53] <nucking> hehe
[20:53] <guntbert> nucking: ok - didn't want to sound impatient - have fun and happy reading
[21:52] <incorrect> rg
[22:05] <kirkland> lool: ping
[22:06] <kirkland> lool: i wanted to discuss one of your qemu-kvm changes, specifically the sound ones
[22:06] <kirkland> lool: they seem to have regressed something that had just started working well here
[22:07] <kirkland> lool: my last upload had --audio-drv-list="pa,sdl,alsa,oss", where I think you changed this to --audio-drv-list=alsa,oss,sdl,pa
[22:07] <kirkland> lool: the order matters greatly here, in terms of what gets used by default
[22:07] <kirkland> lool: and using pa (pulseaudio) here is what we want, i believe
[22:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - are you using the UEC test rig?
[22:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: nope
[22:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: great - because I've just nuked it
[22:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: could you log off nickel as well?
[22:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: sure
[22:10] <mathiaz> kirkland: it seems that you're connected to all the serial consoles there
[22:10] <kirkland> mathiaz: yup
[22:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: can you just bump me?
[22:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: why do you mean by bump?
[22:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: dropped all
[22:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: I cannot force you to drop the connections
[22:11] <kirkland> mathiaz: oh, i was asking if you could just force me off
[22:13] <mathiaz> cjwatson: hi - does d-i support vlans?
[22:14] <mathiaz> cjwatson: ie can I set in the installer vlan network interfaces?
[22:14] <cjwatson> I very much doubt it
[22:16] <mathiaz> cjwatson: when is the early_command run?
[22:16] <mathiaz> cjwatson: could I setup vlan interfaces from the early_command?
[22:16] <cjwatson> cd or netboot?
[22:16] <mathiaz> cjwatson: netboot
[22:16] <mathiaz> cjwatson: (cd could also be an option)
[22:16] <cjwatson> (doc/devel/menu-item-numbers.txt in the debian-installer source package, anyway)
[22:17] <cjwatson> the answer differs, that's why I asked :)
[22:17] <cjwatson> in the CD case, it's run immediately after detecting the CD; in the netboot case, it's run almost immediately after detecting the network
[22:17] <cjwatson> note that in the CD case this means that it is *before* network detection
[22:17] <cjwatson> it's run as early as the preseed file can be acquired, basically
[22:17] <kirkland> cjwatson: do you have a pointer to the magic required to nudge that eucalyptus/cloud-address from the udeb/installer environment over to the chroot/installed environment?
[22:18] <mathiaz> cjwatson: ok - thanks
[22:18] <jronnblom> How can I add the driver for the mpt2sas to lucid? Have a new DELL R210 with the H200 driver which should use the mpt2sas driver
[22:19] <mathiaz> jjohansen: ^^
[22:19] <cjwatson> kirkland: look for $logfile in eucalyptus-udeb.postinst
[22:20] <jjohansen> jronnblom: modprobe mpt2sas?
[22:20] <mathiaz> jjohansen: is the mpt2sas built-in instead of being a module?
[22:20] <jjohansen> checking
[22:20] <jronnblom> it's not on the cd installer for server @ alpha3
[22:21] <mathiaz> jronnblom: have you filed a bug in LP?
[22:21] <jronnblom> nope, what is LP?
[22:22] <mathiaz> jronnblom: LP = Launchpad - what is used to track bugs in Ubuntu
[22:22] <mathiaz> jronnblom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[22:23] <jjohansen> mathiaz, jronnblom: its a module
[22:23] <mathiaz> jjohansen: hm - is it part of the kernel package?
[22:24] <jjohansen> mathiaz: it should be
[22:24] <mathiaz> jjohansen: mpt2sas isn't found anywhere on packages.ubuntu.com
[22:24] <jjohansen> right, it wouldn't be in its own package
[22:24] <jronnblom> yes and its in the server kernel but not in the generic one use on the cd-installer... atleast if I check the /lib/modules/2.6.32-14-server/kernel/drivers/scsi/mpt2sas
[22:24] <jjohansen> it should be one of many modules that is part of the kernel
[22:25] <mathiaz> jjohansen: right - I was also searching package *content*
[22:26] <jjohansen> jronnblom: hrmm, perhaps they strip out some of the modules?  Because it is configured to build as part of generic
[22:26] <mathiaz> jjohansen: jronnblom: seems like a bug to me
[22:27] <mathiaz> jronnblom: could you report a bug against the linux package?
[22:27] <mathiaz> jronnblom: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[22:27] <jjohansen> yeah I would file it as a bug
[22:27] <jronnblom> okay, i'll file a bug in launchpad against the linux package
[22:28] <jjohansen> jronnblom: can you subscribe me, post the bug # here
[22:29] <jronnblom> sure, i'll do that
[22:36] <jronnblom> jjohansen: its bug id #530361
[22:36] <jronnblom> i'll add more information tomorrow since the servers are at work and Im not :)
[22:56] <mathiaz> cjwatson: how should install the vlan package in the early_command installation preseed?
[22:57] <mathiaz> cjwatson: IIUC anna-install only understands udebs
[22:57] <cjwatson> you can't, you'd have to construct a udeb out of it
[22:57] <cjwatson> (well, you sort of can with udpkg and a bit of prayer, but you shouldn't)
[22:58] <mathiaz> cjwatson: ok - so how do I build a udeb for the vlan package?
[23:00] <cjwatson> add a vlan-udeb stanza to debian/control with 'XC-Package-Type: udeb', put the right files in it, iterate until it looks plausible
[23:00] <mathiaz> cjwatson: great - thanks
[23:00] <mathiaz> cjwatson: openssh-client-udeb is a good example?
[23:01] <cjwatson> we don't have iproute in d-i, but we do have busybox which implements some of its functionality
[23:01] <cjwatson> it may not have what you need in which case you'll need to extend busybox
[23:02] <cjwatson> openssh is OK as an example, although note that it does a second build to avoid pulling in selinux and such.  this is not necessary with all packages
[23:03] <cjwatson> libdebian-installer is relatively simple in this regard too
[23:03] <cjwatson> mathiaz: oh, and sorry, I meant to say 'XB-Package-Type: udeb' not XC-
[23:03] <cjwatson> hmm, apparently XC- is fine too
[23:04] <cjwatson> I think XC-Package-Type is more correct and libdebian-installer is anomalous (d'oh)
[23:07] <mathiaz> cjwatson: are the if-post-down.d/ if-pre-up.d/ and if-up.d/ scripts necessary in the installer?
[23:08] <cjwatson> no, and they won't work
[23:08] <cjwatson> no ifupdown
[23:09] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I think this is why there is a dependency on iproute
[23:17] <mathiaz> cjwatson: what does "XB-Installer-Menu-Item: 99999" stand for in the openssh-client-udeb control stanza?
[23:20] <cjwatson> mathiaz: have you read the documentation in doc/devel/ in debian-installer?
[23:20] <mathiaz> cjwatson: hm I quickly glanced at it
[23:20] <mathiaz> cjwatson: I guess I'll find the answer there.... :D
[23:21] <cjwatson> specifically menu-item-numbers.txt
[23:58] <mrbucket> not sure if this is general or not.. but, i'm running into this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/530353
[23:59] <mrbucket> im using server on the machine in question... and didn't quite know what to search for in launchpad.