[00:06] <Lex79> neversfelde: thanks about kmldonkey
[00:06] <neversfelde> Lex79: I did nothing more then writing a mail :)
[00:06] <Lex79> :)
[00:44] <apachelogger>   case `eval "expr \"\$"$1"\" "` in
[00:44] <apachelogger>     "en_GB" )
[00:44] <apachelogger>       eval "$1=\"engb\"";;
[00:44] <apachelogger>   esac
[00:45] <apachelogger> bash is fun :D
[00:51] <claydoh> apachelogger: it's all Greek to me, or German even :)
[00:52]  * claydoh is the old dog  who can't learn new tricks
[00:56] <neversfelde> it's not german, I can guarantee :)
[00:56] <claydoh> Actually I have a packaging question
[00:57] <claydoh> if I want to package kmymoney2's kde4 version and not have it conflict with the kde3 version, how would I tackle that?
[00:58] <claydoh> I know I would need to make the kde4 version's executable kmymoney-kde4 or similar, menu entries etc
[00:58] <claydoh> but I have no clue where to look on how to accomplish this (old dogs and all)
[01:54] <jjesse> question in karmic i'm trying to download a new splash screen theme with Get Hot New Stuff, the theme I already want is shown as installed, however  it is not listed in the list of available splash screen themese
[02:26] <jjesse> any ideas on my last message?
[03:14] <DarkwingDuck> Lucid question... I open KMail and Akodani freezes... Any ideas?
[03:33] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: no ideas
[03:33] <Tm_T> jjesse: are those themes valid?
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> *grumbles* I need to get some info on Akodani
[03:38] <Tm_T> DarkwingDuck: you might like to launch kmail and akonadi from konsole to get some related output perhaps
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> No, I ran akodani server and there are errors throught the SQL
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> throughout rather
[03:40] <jjesse> Tm_T:  i would assume they are?  otherwise why would they be presented to be downloaded and installed?
[03:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: well, GHNS lists whatever is in kde-look.org, it installs whatever contains correctly looking files...
[03:41] <Tm_T> doesn't mean they are correct or valid in any way
[03:41] <jjesse> hrmm ok
[03:53] <jjesse> just disappointed that the theme doesn't match all the way
[04:00] <Tm_T> roll your own!
[05:19] <claydoh> omg my little blog post got mentioned on Distrowatch!
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone else had any problems with Akodani server in 10.04?
[08:29] <apachelogger> claydoh: your one about unicorns?
[08:29]  * apachelogger should blog about unicorns
[08:33] <ghostcube> when the .... and the laaast unicorn ... dumdidum
[08:33] <ghostcube> :)
[09:18] <apachelogger> ghostcube: *sob*
[09:29] <ghostcube> :)
[09:34] <Riddell> time to upload 4.4.1?
[09:34] <Riddell> neversfelde: what bug is this?
[09:35] <Riddell> "Your membership in irc-kubuntu-ops is about to expire" jussi01 still about to expire?
[09:35] <jussi01> Riddell: have you checked it on LP?  you have just over 10 hours
[09:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: the bug where blogilo wants to get upgraded all the time
[09:36] <jussi01> Riddell: yeah, looks like you still need to renew
[09:38] <jussi01> Riddell: theres a few for you, here included.
[09:38] <jussi01> its self renewal, so you need to click the link in the emails
[11:03] <dpm> apachelogger, Riddell, hi. I've just talked to danilo about fixing the wrong translation templates in bug 529483. I've given him the pattern apachelogger gave me yesterday to identify such templates, and he'll see if he can come up with a list of templates/source packages which need rebuilding against the new pkg-kde-tools
[11:07] <dpm> apachelogger, Riddell, well, that was quick, so here is the list of potentially affected source packages -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/386914/ Obviously only the Kubuntu ones built with pkg-kde-tools are affected
[11:08] <Riddell> I'm just about to upload many of those with KDE 4.4.1
[11:09] <Trouble> 4.4.1 \o/
[11:10] <Riddell> now if only we could get someone on karmic to test it
[11:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: mmm, Qt 4.6.2 too?
[11:12] <Riddell> not in karmic
[11:13] <Tm_T> hmm, so in Lucid there's this with Amarok atleast? https://bugs.kde.org/227639 && http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-6932
[11:19] <Trouble> Riddell: If you're putting 4.4.1 in staging or something I can test it on Karmic (Netbook)
[11:20] <Riddell> msg'ed
[11:36] <dpm> Riddell, apachelogger, that was a list for all series and in the staging database (a few days behind). Here's the list of potentially affected packages for Lucid and the production database => http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/386927/ . This should give you an idea of which packages need rebuilding (fortunately, it seems it's not too many). Please let me know if you need anything else.
[12:16] <Trouble> In 4.4.1, KDE's System Activity isn't showing any CPU usage now, otherwise it seems to fine so far
[12:20] <apachelogger> dpm: thanks
[12:21] <dpm> no worries :)
[12:34] <Trouble> KDE 4.4.1 to be officially released in about 5.5 hours apparently \o/
[12:45] <dpm> apachelogger, I also saw bug 530103, but I have no idea what a .kcfg file is. Do you think the issue described there is also caused by the templates bug, or is it something else? If it's the same problem, I'll just mark it as duplicate
[12:46] <apachelogger> dpm: qutie possibly, kcfg is to describe kconfig relations, but also using xml markup
[12:46] <apachelogger> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/kconfigxt/kconfigxt.html
[12:46] <dpm> ok, thanks
[13:54] <claydoh> apachelogger: no, the one about puppies, kittens, buttterflies, and how a guy named Harald is is super awesome
[13:55] <claydoh> the one just before the "kubuntu devs are all highly attractive"
[13:58] <Riddell> claydoh: you haven't blogged in over a year according to http://jakeandgus.blogspot.com/
[14:02] <claydoh> Riddell: moved to wordpress http://dohbuoy.wordpress.com
[14:03] <claydoh> wordpress works better with blogilo :)
[14:04] <claydoh> tho  I am not a big blogger.
[14:47] <Quintasan> \o
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: have you seen this? : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+web+page+mockup?content=109869
[15:43] <Mamarok_> hm, blogilo apparently doesn't remember that it has been updated
[15:43] <Mamarok_> it stays in the upgradeables list
[17:25] <dantti> Riddell: tomorrow there will be a new Pk 0.5 release, I fixed aptcc to not alow essential packages to be removed, although not many ppl use it I think it's pretty important to update...
[17:25] <Riddell> if it's not a feature release that's no problem
[17:25] <Riddell> just point us at it
[17:27] <dantti> ok, I send you the link tomorrow..
[17:50] <Mamarok> Riddell: don't forget to renew your ops memberships...
[17:50] <Riddell> mm, yes
[17:50] <Riddell> faff
[17:57] <DarkwingMobile> riddell: you about?
[17:58] <Riddell> hi DarkwingMobile
[17:58] <Riddell> kde-l10n is eating my hard disk!
[17:59] <DarkwingMobile> question, anyone mention problems with akonadi when upgrading to lucid?
[18:00] <Riddell> yes I believe apachelogger was moaning about that
[18:01] <DarkwingMobile> sql keeps failing out from old settings I'm assuming but, on a fresh install it seems to work just fine
[18:02] <DarkwingMobile> alright. ill toss up a bug and talk to him. maybe we can resolve something
[18:09] <darkwing-mobile> apachelogger: you about?
[18:19] <Tm_T> KDE sc 4.4.1 released (:
[18:21] <Riddell> building in lucid
[18:21] <Riddell> will copy to karmic PPA shortly
[18:22] <darkwing-mobile> nice.
[18:22] <darkwing-mobile> ive gotta find a way to disable akodani
[18:23] <darkwing-mobile> akoadni rather
[18:23] <Tm_T> akonadi?
[18:24] <darkwing-mobile> yeah. upgrade to lucid crashed the sql server
[18:25] <darkwing-mobile> small keyboard
[18:27] <darkwing-mobile> actually what i need to do is dig deeper in learning to manipulate it and see if i can figure a fix
[18:30] <darkwing-mobile> hmmmm. wonder if the 9.10 fix will work...
[18:33] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you around?
[18:38] <nixternal> darkwing-mobile: kind of
[18:41] <darkwing-mobile> nixternal: you have a chance to go over the needs this weekend?
[18:42] <nixternal> no I didn't...my aunt passed away so I have been really busy with family obligations
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: you might wanna hold up on kde-l10n for lucid
[18:44] <darkwing-mobile> oh im sorry bro. shoot me an email on what i can do as im at work on my phone lol
[18:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?
[18:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am working on a novel approach to break rosetta
[18:44] <apachelogger> erm to packaging the l10n stuff ;)
[18:44] <Riddell> it's already uploaded I'm afraid
[18:45] <apachelogger> hm, doesn't matter then
[18:47] <darkwing-mobile> apachelogger: u had problems with akonadi?
[18:47] <apachelogger> no
[18:47] <apachelogger> everyone is
[18:47] <Tm_T> ?
[18:47] <apachelogger> it's just that everyone in here does not listen to me when I try to communicate what the problem is :P
[18:48] <apachelogger> Tm_T: create a new user and start kontact
[18:48] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, but trunk kmail is so buggy yet ):
[18:48] <darkwing-mobile> lol my server keeps hanging on me with crashes. id tinker but it locks out kmail and i kinda need that lol
[18:59] <Lex79> Riddell: still remaining to upload from ninja: virtuosoconverter, kopete-cryptography, ktorrent, eigen2, plasma-widget-smoothtasks
[19:00] <Riddell> Lex79: to upload to ninja you mean?
[19:01] <Riddell> eigen2 seems to be in ninjas
[19:01] <Lex79> uhm :) no you have to grab those packages ^^ from ninja and upload to archive
[19:01] <Riddell> oh upload to lucid?
[19:01] <Lex79> yes please
[19:02] <Riddell> groovy
[19:02] <Riddell> Lex79: ok to copy packages over to backports PPA for karmic?
[19:02] <Lex79> yes, it's ok for me
[19:03] <shtylman_> is there a reason dput to my ppa would say it uploaded everything but then I don't see it in my actual ppa?
[19:03] <Riddell> shtylman_: maybe the gpg signature isn't being accepted (in which case you won't get an e-mail either, it would be spam)
[19:04] <shtylman_> hmm
[19:04] <shtylman_> Riddell: some way to check?
[19:07] <neversfelde> did someone manage to fix that bilbo/blogilo problem? Sorry was busy all day and couldn't do anything Kubuntu related.
[19:08] <Lex79> neversfelde: I fixed, I hope... :)
[19:08] <neversfelde> Lex79: it is Replaces: bilbo (<= 1.0) again?
[19:09] <Lex79> neversfelde: and conflicts too, since bilbo <= 1.0 is gone, and blogilo replaces entirely bilbo
[19:10] <Lex79> maybe you forgot to add "conflicts"
[19:10] <neversfelde> Lex79: ok, I can test if that fixes the overwirte problem when upgrading bilbo > blogilo
[19:10] <Lex79> thanks
[19:11] <Riddell> shtylman_: put the .dsc file somewhere and I can check if they validate locally
[19:13] <shtylman_> Riddell: http://shtylman.com/stuff/libunwind_0.99-0.2ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[19:15] <Riddell> gpg: Signature made Tue 02 Mar 2010 18:55:21 GMT using RSA key ID 3875DC6D
[19:15] <Riddell> 301E8E7B
[19:15] <Riddell> launchpad says  OpenPGP keys:
[19:16] <Riddell> shtylman_: so they don't match
[19:16] <shtylman_> oh...maybe I didn't add the key to teh openpgp keys section... only ssh keys section
[19:17] <shtylman_> Riddell: keys are complicated... why can't we just trust people :)
[19:17] <Riddell> I know, the internet is always friendly, it all seems so unnecessary
[19:17] <shtylman_> indeed
[19:19]  * Trouble keeps a suspicious eye on Riddell
[19:20] <Riddell> hmm, packaged copied from ninjas to backports but it calls it a "delayed copy" and nothing has showed up
[19:22] <Lex79> they are there now
[19:23] <Lex79> good :)
[19:27] <ejat> JontheEchidna: i just notice lately .. my knetworkmanager got problem ..
[19:27] <ejat> using wired , wireless @ broadband
[19:27] <ejat> its keep "Activating ....."
[19:28] <ejat> i think after i upgrade to alpha3 ..
[19:28] <yuriy_work> mine i think just keeps showing the icon that looks like it's activiating
[19:29] <ejat> yuriy_work: yeah .. correct
[19:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: ok...so I added a new key which matches and did another dput
[19:29] <shtylman_> Riddell: does it take time for the package to show up in the ppa listof packages?
[19:29] <shtylman_> (not built immediately I know that)
[19:30] <shtylman_> but I should still see the source package right?
[19:30] <shtylman_> Riddell: oh nvm
[19:31] <shtylman_> Riddell: it finally showed up
[19:31] <shtylman_> guess it took some time
[19:36] <Lex79> Riddell: seems you didn't copy Qt 4.6.2 to backports, I'm going to copy it and see if there are other packages missing
[19:36] <shtylman_> Riddell: more annoying ppa questions: what if a base package does not exist? what am I supposed to make the changelog version line look like?
[19:42] <Lex79> Riddell: the "delayed copy" was really delayed :) now all packages are in backports
[19:44] <Mamarok> Riddell: don't forget to renew your ops memberships... running out in 4 hours from now :(
[20:05] <shtylman_> wow kde 4.4.1 is already here
[20:06] <shtylman_> that was fast
[20:12] <jussi01> shtylman_: it sure was, when did that sneak up?
[20:12] <shtylman_> released today
[20:12]  * jussi01 waits for it to hit luxcid...
[20:13] <jussi01> lucid even
[20:13] <shtylman_> heh
[20:15] <shtylman_> http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical
[20:15] <shtylman_> ^ an interesting read for all
[20:16] <shtylman_> I think its worth thinking about some of the raised kde issues... if even just to consider perception
[20:24] <Trouble> Yea, gets interesting about half way down ;-)
[21:04] <jussi01> does anyone know where amsn saves saved password info? Ive forgotten my password... :/
[21:25] <Riddell> jussi01: if it's not in kwallet it'll be in .kde/share/config/
[21:43] <Riddell> anyone tested 4.4.1 from backports PPA?
[21:45] <nixternal> Riddell: updating now to 4.4.1 from backports ppa
[21:51]  * apachelogger is wondering who is granting FFes for packages in a specific package set
[22:14] <nixternal> update completed to 4.4.1 from backports ppa, no install problems noted
[22:17] <nixternal> all looks well after reboot as well Riddell for 4.4.1 backports ppa
[22:24] <Riddell> great thanks nixternal
[22:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: me for KDE bits
[22:25] <apachelogger> hm, things are getting more comlicated really :S
[22:26] <seele> who is the maintainer of the touchpad kcm?
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that still in affect, or do we still file FFe requests with motu release?
[22:26] <Riddell> motu release doesn't exist I believe
[22:26] <Riddell> it's all one team now
[22:26] <Riddell> seele: packager or author?
[22:26] <seele> Riddell: author
[22:26] <seele> Riddell: or whoever would be making changes
[22:27] <Riddell> mishaaq@gmail.com.
[22:27] <Riddell> Micha??
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: just stumbled across bug 529141 which is subscribed to motu release
[22:28]  * apachelogger notes that even after years of discussion that archive reorg feels like one big messy sticky gooy thing
[22:29] <Riddell> seele: there was a thread recently on kde-core-devel about another touchpad kcontrol module synaptiks so it's not clear if kcm-touchpad is the long term future
[22:29] <seele> ah.. so stop reviewing it? heh
[22:30] <Riddell> seele: well maybe kcm-touchpad will win out, it's just not clear
[22:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think it is a problem if qt build-deps on pkg-kde-tools?
[22:46] <apachelogger> currently the pot creation script for Qt is in its debian dir, but having it together with the other l10n stuff is better from a maintenance POV
[22:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: that seems fine to me
[22:47] <apachelogger> cool, I'll jump at that once I am done with fixing the broken pots and revising the kde-l10n stuff
[22:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[22:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.2.2.90-0ubuntu2 in a bzr rev?
[22:49] <apachelogger> if so please push with --overwrite
[22:49]  * apachelogger also created ubuntu2 and wondered why soyuz ate it :)
[22:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[22:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[22:59] <genii> Riddell: dist-upgrade brought me to 4.4.1 but it held back kdebase-workspace and kdebase-workspace-data
[23:00] <Riddell> genii: what happens if you apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data  ?
[23:02] <genii> Riddell: I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1820120
[23:03] <genii> (chose no for the moment)
[23:06] <genii> apt-cache policy for workspace and workspace-data shows 4.4.0 installed
[23:06] <genii> (but kde is reporting as 4.4.1)
[23:07] <Riddell> genii: what happens if you  apt-get install kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin plasma-desktop ?
[23:07] <genii> one sec
[23:08] <genii> Riddell: Lots of broken packages ... I'll pastebin
[23:09] <genii> http://pastebin.ca/1820135
[23:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: where are the packages?
[23:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: what packages?
[23:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.4.1
[23:19] <Riddell> in backports PPA and in lucid
[23:20] <apachelogger> hm
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[23:20]  * apachelogger pokes sources.list
[23:24] <Riddell> genii: seems to install fine for me, I'm a bit puled
[23:24] <Riddell> puzzled
[23:24] <apachelogger> same here
[23:25] <genii> If I have ppa beta and experimental on could that screw it up?
[23:25] <apachelogger> genii: can you keep on adding stuff to the install list until you hit some other dependency
[23:25] <apachelogger> i.e. add kdebase-workspace-bin to the list and try again
[23:25] <apachelogger> see if the list of broken depends grows
[23:26] <genii> apachelogger: OK, hangon
[23:26] <apachelogger> if not add klipper
[23:26] <apachelogger> ...
[23:26] <Trouble> Launchpad gave me a package size mismatch when I was installing 4.4.1 from ninja's earlier, but it the 2nd attempt to upgrade was fine.
[23:26] <apachelogger> oh cmon
[23:26] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:27] <apachelogger> internet connection at 87% of ooo
[23:28] <genii> apt-cache policy  kdebase-workspace-bin doesn't show 4.4.1 as a candidate, i think thats the prob
[23:30] <Riddell> it's certainly there
[23:30] <genii> My sources.list - http://pastebin.com/hkuRuTHd
[23:31] <Riddell> I'd get rid of beta and experimental
[23:31] <genii> OK. Is having libdevel commented out a prob?
[23:32] <Riddell> what is that?
[23:33] <genii> Riddell: Not sure, it was in there by default
[23:33] <genii> eg: #deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid libdevel
[23:34] <Riddell> never heard of it
[23:36] <genii> beta and experimental commented out now... update and then policy still shows no 4.4.1 version available for kdebase-workspace-bin
[23:37] <apachelogger> ohhhh!!!
[23:37] <apachelogger> genii: your mirror is probably not synced completel
[23:37] <apachelogger> y
[23:37] <apachelogger> s/ca.archive.ubuntu/archive.ubuntu/g
[23:38] <genii> apachelogger: Ah, the Canadian one is not yet up-to-date is best guess then?
[23:38] <apachelogger> yes
[23:38] <genii> OK, lemme switch to core repos and try
[23:39] <Riddell> oh you're on lucid
[23:42] <genii> Yes
[23:43] <genii> Weird, still no 4.4.1 candidate
[23:43] <apachelogger> genii: you did run apt-get update, right?
[23:43] <genii> apachelogger: Yes indeedy. Also double-checked to make sure I hadn't pinned anything
[23:45] <apachelogger> genii: no errors with update?
[23:45] <genii> apachelogger: none
[23:45] <apachelogger> then I find this all even weirder then before
[23:47]  * apachelogger notes to self: if tarballs are missing a part of the name you prolly forgot some brackets
[23:54]  * apachelogger smiles like a little child that just saw a blue headed unicorn flying up in the sky :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
[23:55] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime didn't compile on amd64 in lucid
[23:55]  * Riddell retries
[23:55] <shtylman> ;(
[23:56] <Riddell> oh roman, don't cry, it'll compile soon!
[23:57] <apachelogger> otherwise there is still gnome, that usually works :P
[23:58] <apachelogger> shtylman: does the openoffice kde stuff require any sort of translation?