[02:09] <bjsnider> can someone delete an orig tarball from the ppa system for me?
[02:20] <persia> bjsnider: That's unlikely to happen, because someone might have downloaded it or otherwise be relying on it.
[02:20] <bjsnider> persia, i'm about to upload a new tarball with the same name, but the old one is in the way
[02:21] <persia> bjsnider: I understand.  The PPA system is not designed to support that use case.
[02:21] <persia> This was an intentional decision.
[02:22] <bjsnider> it will be deleted automatically in 7 days anywa
[02:24] <bjsnider> the programmer released a new version without bumping the version number
[02:24] <bjsnider> he's certainly acting the part of a numbskull
[02:30] <persia> bjsnider: The typical response is to publish a tarball like foo_1.2.3+oughtbe124.tar.gz or similar.
[02:31] <bjsnider> are you kidding me?
[02:33] <persia> bjsnider: No.  There are a fairly large number of people who believe that a given path should represent a given static object with a known checksum.
[02:33] <persia> So http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../foo_1.2.3.tar.gz would *always* be the same.
[02:33] <persia> And if it changed, it would have a different name as well.
[02:34] <persia> The package management systems used in Debian-derived distributions rely on this assumption.
[02:34] <bjsnider> i was just thinking of writing this guy an angry, pithy email, but to rename the orig tarball...
[02:35] <bjsnider> can you give me a real world example of a tarball being renamed because the number should have been bumped and wasn't?
[02:40] <persia> I don't seem to have any installed on my system right now.
[02:40] <persia> I remember there being some like that in the past, but I can't remember specifics.
[02:44] <bjsnider> would 0.31.0+latest be considered newer than 0.31.0?
[02:45] <persia> bjsnider: Yes, but use dpkg --compare-versions to verify (dpkg knows better than anyone on IRC)
[03:01] <bjsnider> persia, the system swallowed that. thanks for the guidance
[03:02] <persia> bjsnider: No problem.  Thanks for understanding the policy that makes it so.
[03:05] <bjsnider> oh, i don't question it, i just wonder why this guy didn't bump the version number
[03:07] <persia> Some upstreams seem to not understand that having two releases with the same version may confuse users.  I generally see it when the only changes are in comments or licensing or similar stuff that upstream doesn't expect will change behaviour.
[03:13] <bjsnider> well i'll tell you
[03:13] <bjsnider> this tarball was 200k smaller than the previous one, which accounts for 35% of its total size
[03:14] <persia> oh my.
[03:14] <bjsnider> there were obviously significant changes
[03:14] <bjsnider> and in the changelog too
[03:14] <persia> Do send upstream a note requesting a bump :)
[03:14] <spiv> Why is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529/+merge/19488 still in "updating diff" after almost two weeks?
[03:14] <bjsnider> he ony bumped the part after the last dash
[03:15] <mwhudson> spiv: i guess something broke
[03:33] <thumper> spiv: because lp:~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529 doesn't exist yet
[03:41] <spiv> thumper: then I guess that merge proposal page should say that, rather than "updating diff" :)
[03:41] <thumper> spiv: file a bug :)
[06:10] <poolie> spm, so, what's the deal, do you want me to update  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/tuolumne-lp-configs/bzr-graphs/+merge/20357 ?
[06:12] <spm> poolie: actually is all proposed and waiting: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spm/tuolumne-lp-configs/fix_bzr-graphs/+merge/20423 which I suspect you can't see. I was going to chase tom on same; but am ~ 60% tempted to get a Q&D cross check from yourself and make it live
[06:24] <poolie> no, i can't see it
[06:24] <poolie> what you said previously makes sense
[06:24] <poolie> i'm in no screaming hurry to have it today rather than tomorrow
[06:24] <poolie> just don't want it to stall
[06:25] <poolie> based on what you said before it seems safe to merge but i don't know what the normal practice is for tuolumne
[06:37] <Zus> can evolution open more than one email address at one time? im trying to get the gpg key to work in terminal but i get msg failed: file open error, the next easier step i would think is open  my mail in evolution but it has an email adress asigned to it already...
[06:49] <Zus> firegpg add on said  gmail support is broken to use the one on the site...the site said if i have linux  it should be in my repositories, there was another way by saving the email in a txt file and using the terminal to read the encrytped mail....that doesnt work.... would evo lution work even though i already have an email address  pinned to it? (can i add another email address to evolution?)
[07:13] <Zus> nevermind  i got  :)
[07:20] <arand> I'm getting a "not allowed here" for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity that's not as it should be right?
[07:21] <spiv> arand: yeah, sounds like a bug
[07:21] <arand> Also getting that if I disable edge redirect...
[07:22] <wgrant> There's a bug on that. you can see it if you log out.
[07:22]  * wgrant digs.
[07:22] <spiv> Something to do with related_ppa_versions?
[07:23] <wgrant> Bug #514824
[07:23] <wgrant> So, yes.
[07:25] <wgrant> I wonder if I can coerce somebody into RCing the one-line fix.
[07:27] <spm> day and a half out from a full release? /me waggles hand. 50/50 chance.
[07:28] <wgrant> Exactly.
[07:33] <arand> ok, good to know it's being looked into.
[08:50] <merlijn-> Hi, is this the right place to ask questions about Landscape?
[08:51] <lifeless> no, but it will do while I find out the right place for you
[08:51] <lifeless> what sort of stuff do you want to know?
[08:51] <merlijn-> I'm building a testsetup with Enterprise Cloud functionality
[08:51] <merlijn-> but I'm having trouble connecting Landscape to my Cloud
[08:51] <lifeless> UEC you mean?
[08:52] <merlijn-> yes
[08:52] <lifeless> I believe you need to ensure your cloud has its endpoint exposed on port 443, using ssl
[08:52] <lifeless> I've enquired about the right place to discuss it
[08:52] <lifeless> there appears to be a #landscape
[08:53] <merlijn-> so with the default setup, I should setup stunnel to pipe SSL on 443 to port 8773
[08:53] <merlijn-> #landscape appears pretty empty :)
[08:53] <lifeless> yes, but the folk there are core devs on the project
[08:54] <merlijn-> oh nice, only one of them had a cloak
[08:54] <merlijn-> anyway, let me try setting up stunnel on port 443
[08:57] <merlijn-> one problem is that I have read that Landscape will only work with real ssl certs (aka not self signed)
[08:57] <merlijn-> it seems a little off to buy one of those while just doing evaluation of the product
[09:11] <Zus> anyone still around? on the pgp/ gpg key id thats the  4 digit / 8 digit ? (the key type/id)? also wich is public and wich is the one i should keep private
[10:06] <Zus> can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error
[10:21] <Zus> can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error
[10:22] <persia> Zus: The number of people who joined or left in the time between your queries is much smaller than the entirety of the channel.
[10:23] <persia> !pgp
[10:23] <persia> Zus: try those links.  If that doesn't work, try https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[10:24] <persia> If that doesn't work, try asking in a support forum more closely aligned with the UCoC (like #ubuntu)
[10:24] <Zus>  oops..
[10:25] <Zus> i got all the wya to where i donwloaded the  ucoc and have to run the terminal
[12:38] <jussi01> Im loving the error ID's for LP... starting with "OOPS-" :D
[12:38] <jussi01> mind, it sucks that I cant file a bug :/
[12:40]  * jussi01 tries with edge disabled
[12:44] <jussi01> ok, disabled edge and now it works :)
[12:44] <wgrant> jussi01: That's not a solution; production adopts something very close to edge's code in about 36 hours.
[12:45] <jussi01> wgrant: right, is an error code useful to you?
[12:45] <wgrant> jussi01: Not to me, but to most other people it will be.
[12:45] <wgrant> So mentioning it here might be good.
[12:45] <jussi01> wgrant: sure: (Error ID: OOPS-1522EB454)
[12:54] <james_w> jussi01: you were filing a bug about the ubuntu website?
[12:55] <jussi01> james_w: correct
[12:55] <james_w> you know there is an ubuntu-website project?
[12:55] <jussi01> james_w: I was filing against ubuntu-website, is that incorrect?
[12:56] <jussi01> james_w: I did get the bug filed eventually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/530653
[12:56] <james_w> package?
[12:56] <james_w> err, that's against ubuntu :-)
[12:56] <jussi01> james_w: I blame ogra :D
[12:57] <jussi01> [14:27:33] <ogra> a bug against the ubuntu-website product might work (and my misinterpretation) :D
[12:57] <james_w> anyway the oops seems to be a timeout doing the query for related bugs
[12:57] <jussi01> james_w: so, where should I be filing that bug? what is the correct process?
[12:58] <james_w> the ubuntu-website one?
[12:58] <jussi01> yes
[12:58] <james_w> I'll reassign
[12:58] <jussi01> thanks, mucha apreciated.
[12:58]  * james_w grumbles at the project picker
[12:58] <jussi01> james_w: btew, who should I be bothering about the other bug (see #ubuntu-community-team)
[12:59] <james_w> bug 488394?
[12:59] <jussi01> james_w: yes :)
[13:00] <james_w> shouldn't be too hard to fix I think
[13:01] <james_w> oh, wgrant gives a different suggestion for doing it that might be more work
[13:01] <jussi01> james_w: yeah, wgrant said similar, just a matter of doing it, no?
[13:01] <jussi01> heh
[13:01] <james_w> yeah, I was suggesting you could bother yourself about it :-)
[13:02] <jussi01> james_w: I have no coding experience sadly. wgrants comment was:
[13:02] <jussi01> [12:58:39] <wgrant> jussi01: Replied on the bug with the solution. It's trivial.
[13:05] <nigelb> jussi01: what about?
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: ?
[13:06] <nigelb> jussi01: I saw the words trivial and bug ;)
[13:06] <nigelb> anything I can help?
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: bug 488394
[13:06] <jussi01> nigelb: theres a suggestion on the bug on how to fix
[13:07] <nigelb> jussi01: If I can understand and manage, I'll try :)
[13:07] <jussi01> and I think james_whad another idea
[13:08] <nigelb> oh ?
[13:08] <nigelb> I dont understand it though
[13:08] <nigelb> but if someone's willing to give me a much more clearer idea, I can think about it
[13:09] <jussi01> nigelb: Im not sure of LP's code either :D
[13:10] <nigelb> I've worked wiht the API, but never actually coded it
[13:10] <jussi01> nigelb: although, if you are looking for trivial bugs, with python involved... we have one over in #ubuntu-bots-devel for you :D
[13:39] <fta2> this build seems to be stuck: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+build/1539122  :(
[13:40] <wgrant> bigjools: Are the repeated bohrium hangs recognised?
[14:12] <bigjools> fta2: I'm on it
[14:12] <fta2> bigjools, thanks
[14:41] <persia> Has there been a change to launchpad in the past couple weeks that makes me log in more often?  I seem to get asked multiple times a day, and I generally always have at least one LP window open in my browser.
[14:44] <jml> persia, on edge?
[14:44] <persia> jml: on production
[14:44] <persia> It's only been about 5 days that it's been > 1/day though.
[14:44] <jml> persia, then there hasn't been a change to Launchpad in the past couple of weeks.
[14:44] <persia> Hrm.
[14:44] <jml> persia, maybe it's to do with the openid stuff.
[14:44]  * persia wonders what else might be the cause.
[14:45] <jml> persia, at least, not that I know of.
[14:45] <persia> jml: Ah, because the identity provider isn't part of "launchpad"?
[14:45] <jml> persia, in the sense that it's a separate service with a separate code base managed to a different release schedule by another team, yes.
[14:46] <persia> Excellent.  Do you know if they have a support channel?
[14:47] <jml> #is on canonical's IRC server, I think.
[14:49]  * persia tries #canonical-sysadmin hoping that's close enoug
[15:18] <SiNiESTrO> http://staging.launchpad.net doesn't work
[15:18] <SiNiESTrO> :(
[15:36] <jml> SiNiESTrO, it's down atm while we update it.
[15:36] <SiNiESTrO> Ok! no problem
[15:37] <SiNiESTrO> I have a question... Is it possible to create a distribution project in Launchpad demo?
[15:38] <jml> no.
[16:53] <mthaddon> jml: until the transition of from login.launchpad.net SSO as completely external to LP, login issues should still be handled here, I think
[16:54] <jml> mthaddon, ahh, ok. my bad.
[17:32] <quappa> I tried to % bzr branch lp:lernid and got this: bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "<Fault -1: 'OOPS-1522XMLP97'>")
[17:33] <quappa> google returns 0 results and nothing on help.launchpad.net
[17:33] <quappa> the URL from ubottu is password protected
[17:41] <maxb> quappa: Try again, it works for me, so perhaps it was just a momentary glitch
[17:46] <quappa> maxb, no, it's persists. what's more, all my attempts to use lp: with bzr ends with this error
[17:48] <maxb> Hmm. I guess it must be specific to your user.
[17:48] <beuno> hrm
[17:48] <beuno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/387132/
[17:49] <beuno> rockstar, abentley, ^
[17:50] <abentley> quappa, what is your launchpad user-id?
[17:51] <quappa> abentley, it's "kkapp"
[17:51] <rockstar> beuno, wtf?  What were you doing?
[17:51] <beuno> rockstar, not me, quappa
[17:52] <rockstar> quappa, is your email address hidden?
[17:52] <abentley> quappa, this looks like a disabled account.  Is that correct?
[17:53] <quappa> rockstar, no, I visisted my account page on the web -- "Hide email address" is not checked
[17:54] <quappa> abentley, why would it be disabled? I never used it for anything except bug reporting and commenting.
[17:54] <rockstar> quappa, are you sure you gave us the right user-id?
[17:55] <quappa> rockstar, this is my page  https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/
[17:55] <quappa> display name is "Алексей Капранов (Alex Kapranoff)" -- cyrillic and latin.
[17:56] <abentley> quappa, the user icon is our grey "inactive person" icon
[17:57] <quappa> abentley, it's grey here too. I've never changed by user icon from default, btw.
[17:58] <abentley> quappa, normally, that would mean it was in colour.
[17:59] <abentley> quappa, like this: https://launchpad.net/@@/person-logo
[17:59] <quappa> abentley, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/+edit I see blue default "mugshot"
[18:00] <quappa> abentley, but the small one is still grey. what should I do to fix it? can it be related to that OOPS-XML error from bzr?
[18:01] <abentley> quappa, I suspect it's the cause of the oops-xml error.  I am checking with some people who know more about this.
[18:02] <quappa> abentley, thanks a lot.
[18:04] <deryck> I seem to be getting mail to the launchpad lists much slower than everyone else today.
[18:04] <abentley> quappa, have you changed the email address registered with Launchpad recently?
[18:04]  * deryck will worry about it after lunch
[18:06] <abentley> quappa, also, do you happen to know when you registered your account?
[18:07] <quappa> abentley, I cannot even find such an option in my interface now. there's details and branding. I don't think I changed my email address recently.
[18:08] <quappa> abentley, oldest emails from launchpad I can find in my mbox are from 2006-12-07. That's probably very close to the registration date.
[18:10] <salgado> 2006-03-27 seems to be when ~kkapp was created
[18:11] <quappa> abentley, nope, I found a translation I took part in on 2006-08-07.
[18:11] <quappa> salgado, thanks!
[18:17] <salgado> quappa, care to try setting your @rambler email as your preferred one and deleting the other one?  if that works you should be able to re-add the one you deleted and switch to it
[18:18] <quappa> salgado, how can I do that?
[18:18] <salgado> quappa, https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails
[18:20] <salgado> if that page doesn't crash
[18:20] <quappa> salgado, thanks. when I try to set my @rambler.ru address as my "contact address in Launchpad" I see  "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[18:21] <salgado> quappa, that's weird.  can you retry?
[18:21] <quappa> salgado, I did :) it persists.
[18:21] <salgado> quappa, no OOPS or anything?
[18:21] <quappa> salgado, nothing.
[18:22] <quappa> salgado, then I tried to add my gmail address and got "(Error ID: OOPS-1522F1374)"
[18:23] <quappa> salgado, btw, you suggested that I delete the other email address. I only have one on that page.
[18:25] <salgado> indeed
[18:28] <salgado> quappa, I was hoping we'd be able to somehow fix the data corruption ourselves, but that won't be possible.  I'll chase someone with the necessary rights to do it.
[18:29] <Breaking_Pitt> can launchpad be installed in a debian machine?
[18:29] <Breaking_Pitt> or has dependencies with ubuntu
[18:32] <quappa> salgado, thanks! how can I help?
[18:34] <james_w> Breaking_Pitt: I know people have had issues trying before, but they shouldn't be too deep
[18:34] <Breaking_Pitt> the install script ask me to enable multiverse repositories
[18:35] <Breaking_Pitt> so i don't know if i had to add ubuntu repositories in order to install it on debian
[18:36] <maxb> Breaking_Pitt: It's likely possible to coax into working, but you'll need to be prepared to look behind the basic helper scripts and be prepared to fix things.
[18:37] <Breaking_Pitt> i've supposed but if I run it on ubuntu i will have the same problems, maxb ?
[18:37] <maxb> You want to do Launchpad development work on Debian?
[18:38] <Breaking_Pitt> not only on debian I mean if I have to use ubuntu I can use it
[18:39] <maxb> Most Launchpad development happens on Ubuntu, so the documentation and scripts all assume you will use Ubuntu
[18:39] <Breaking_Pitt> ok I'll give a try on ubuntu
[18:39] <Breaking_Pitt> thanks maxb
[18:40] <maxb> Are you installing a new server for this? (How come you can just change distro so easily?)
[18:41] <persia> maxb: I change distro several times a day through a combination of VMs and chroots.  Once set up, it's not hard to maintain.
[18:42] <Breaking_Pitt> i have a vm machine in xen with a clean install of debian lenny
[18:48] <salgado> quappa, should be fixed now.  and sorry for the inconvenience
[18:55] <quappa> salgado, yes, thanks, I confirm, looks like everything is fixed! bzr works and my page on the web has suddenly much more information. Thanks a lot!
[18:55] <salgado> np
[20:49] <asabil> hi all
[20:49] <asabil> could someone fix the following code import please: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ejabberd/trunk ?
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: would deleting the import and redoing it with bzr-svn be ok?
[20:52] <asabil> mwhudson, they moved to git
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: oh
[20:52] <mwhudson> asabil: just request a new import then
[20:52] <asabil> oki
[20:54] <asabil> mwhudson, but can't you fix the one from ~vcs-imports ?
[20:54] <mwhudson> asabil: well, i can delete it
[20:54] <asabil> otherwise lp:ejabberd won't work
[20:55] <mwhudson> well that's a different thing
[20:55] <mwhudson> i can set that up once you've created a new import
[20:56] <mwhudson> asabil: did you just create an import and then delete it?
[20:56] <asabil> well, I don't understand why it should be under ~asabil instead of ~vcs-import ?
[20:56] <asabil> yes :)
[20:56] <mwhudson> asabil: we're making import branches less of a special case
[20:57] <mwhudson> asabil: so create the import again, and i can hook it up as lp:ejabberd
[20:57] <asabil> okidoki
[20:57] <asabil> done
[20:57] <asabil> and thanks a lot
[21:12] <jack__> how do you upload to an specific ppa repo of one project? I have more ppa's in the project...
[21:13] <gnomefreak> i hate OOPS'
[21:18] <jack__> mmh after upload how long does it take to find it in the repo?
[21:19] <jack__> ?
[21:19] <maxb> jack__: I believe the upload processor runs every 5 minutes
[21:20] <jack__> maxb: ok
[21:20] <maxb> After that, you can watch the status on the web pages
[21:20] <maxb> Likewise, the publisher (that puts finished build results into the repository) also runs every 5 minutes
[21:30] <jack__> Rejected:
[21:30] <jack__> Unable to find distroseries: unstable
[21:30] <jack__> mmh
[21:31] <jack__> should I put karmic in stead of unstable?
[21:31] <maxb> Yes
[21:32] <jack__> in the changelog?
[21:32] <sabdfl> jack__: lucid would be unstable, karmic would be stable, wouldn't it?
[21:32] <maxb> After all, you are uploading a package to be built in ubuntu, so you need to name an ubuntu distroseries
[21:32] <jack__> and if you copy a package from a lucid ppa to a karmic ppa?
[21:32] <jack__> is that possible
[21:33] <maxb> It's seldom wise to copy packages to OLDER distroseries
[21:33] <jack__> ok
[21:33] <maxb> The other way is sometimes a reasonable thing to do. It all depends on the package
[21:42] <jack__> maxb: why not ?
[21:44] <maxb> Many things can change from distroseries to distroseries. Shared library versions are a big one.
[21:45] <jack__> are you afraid those packages won t build, or are there more dangers
[21:45] <maxb> Other things include layouts of files expected by other packages, e.g. things like where python-{support,central} keep control files
[21:46] <maxb> jack__: You cannot copy+rebuild a package within an archive, you must either copy binaries too, or upload a new source.
[21:46] <maxb> Hence, you can have a package which is uninstallable, or installs but fails to operate correctly
[21:47] <jack__> if you download the source, build it on karmic and then upload it, how's that?
[21:48] <jack__> (the source is from lucid)
[21:49] <maxb> Do make sure you change the version number, in a way that the karmic package is less than the lucid package.
[21:49] <maxb> Otherwise people upgrading to lucid won't get the package replaced by the proper lucid version
[21:50] <jack__> good tip
[21:51] <jack__> do you build it in a chroot?
[21:51] <jack__> or just on your karmic install
[21:52] <maxb> Uh, this is #launchpad, are we not talking about building in PPAs?
[21:52] <jack__> it was about copying packages on launchpad
[22:28] <persia> maxb: Even in #launchpad, is it not a good idea to recommend folk test-build locally prior to uploading?
[23:09] <al> what's the usual delay for rosetta download link mails?
[23:09] <al> been waiting a few hours now