=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:09] can someone delete an orig tarball from the ppa system for me? [02:20] bjsnider: That's unlikely to happen, because someone might have downloaded it or otherwise be relying on it. [02:20] persia, i'm about to upload a new tarball with the same name, but the old one is in the way [02:21] bjsnider: I understand. The PPA system is not designed to support that use case. [02:21] This was an intentional decision. [02:22] it will be deleted automatically in 7 days anywa [02:24] the programmer released a new version without bumping the version number [02:24] he's certainly acting the part of a numbskull [02:30] bjsnider: The typical response is to publish a tarball like foo_1.2.3+oughtbe124.tar.gz or similar. [02:31] are you kidding me? [02:33] bjsnider: No. There are a fairly large number of people who believe that a given path should represent a given static object with a known checksum. [02:33] So http://ppa.launchpad.net/.../foo_1.2.3.tar.gz would *always* be the same. [02:33] And if it changed, it would have a different name as well. [02:34] The package management systems used in Debian-derived distributions rely on this assumption. [02:34] i was just thinking of writing this guy an angry, pithy email, but to rename the orig tarball... [02:35] can you give me a real world example of a tarball being renamed because the number should have been bumped and wasn't? [02:40] I don't seem to have any installed on my system right now. [02:40] I remember there being some like that in the past, but I can't remember specifics. [02:44] would 0.31.0+latest be considered newer than 0.31.0? [02:45] bjsnider: Yes, but use dpkg --compare-versions to verify (dpkg knows better than anyone on IRC) [03:01] persia, the system swallowed that. thanks for the guidance [03:02] bjsnider: No problem. Thanks for understanding the policy that makes it so. [03:05] oh, i don't question it, i just wonder why this guy didn't bump the version number [03:07] Some upstreams seem to not understand that having two releases with the same version may confuse users. I generally see it when the only changes are in comments or licensing or similar stuff that upstream doesn't expect will change behaviour. [03:13] well i'll tell you [03:13] this tarball was 200k smaller than the previous one, which accounts for 35% of its total size [03:14] oh my. [03:14] there were obviously significant changes [03:14] and in the changelog too [03:14] Do send upstream a note requesting a bump :) [03:14] Why is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529/+merge/19488 still in "updating diff" after almost two weeks? [03:14] he ony bumped the part after the last dash [03:15] spiv: i guess something broke [03:33] spiv: because lp:~nmb/bzr/mkdir-recursive-253529 doesn't exist yet [03:41] thumper: then I guess that merge proposal page should say that, rather than "updating diff" :) [03:41] spiv: file a bug :) [06:10] spm, so, what's the deal, do you want me to update https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/tuolumne-lp-configs/bzr-graphs/+merge/20357 ? [06:12] poolie: actually is all proposed and waiting: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~spm/tuolumne-lp-configs/fix_bzr-graphs/+merge/20423 which I suspect you can't see. I was going to chase tom on same; but am ~ 60% tempted to get a Q&D cross check from yourself and make it live [06:24] no, i can't see it [06:24] what you said previously makes sense [06:24] i'm in no screaming hurry to have it today rather than tomorrow [06:24] just don't want it to stall [06:25] based on what you said before it seems safe to merge but i don't know what the normal practice is for tuolumne [06:37] can evolution open more than one email address at one time? im trying to get the gpg key to work in terminal but i get msg failed: file open error, the next easier step i would think is open my mail in evolution but it has an email adress asigned to it already... [06:49] firegpg add on said gmail support is broken to use the one on the site...the site said if i have linux it should be in my repositories, there was another way by saving the email in a txt file and using the terminal to read the encrytped mail....that doesnt work.... would evo lution work even though i already have an email address pinned to it? (can i add another email address to evolution?) [07:13] nevermind i got :) [07:20] I'm getting a "not allowed here" for https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity that's not as it should be right? [07:21] arand: yeah, sounds like a bug [07:21] Also getting that if I disable edge redirect... [07:22] There's a bug on that. you can see it if you log out. [07:22] * wgrant digs. [07:22] Something to do with related_ppa_versions? [07:23] Bug #514824 [07:23] Launchpad bug 514824 in soyuz "No permissions to view ubuntu/+source/hypre because of disabled ppa in page" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/514824 [07:23] So, yes. [07:25] I wonder if I can coerce somebody into RCing the one-line fix. [07:27] day and a half out from a full release? /me waggles hand. 50/50 chance. [07:28] Exactly. [07:33] ok, good to know it's being looked into. [08:50] Hi, is this the right place to ask questions about Landscape? [08:51] no, but it will do while I find out the right place for you [08:51] what sort of stuff do you want to know? [08:51] I'm building a testsetup with Enterprise Cloud functionality [08:51] but I'm having trouble connecting Landscape to my Cloud [08:51] UEC you mean? [08:52] yes [08:52] I believe you need to ensure your cloud has its endpoint exposed on port 443, using ssl [08:52] I've enquired about the right place to discuss it [08:52] there appears to be a #landscape [08:53] so with the default setup, I should setup stunnel to pipe SSL on 443 to port 8773 [08:53] #landscape appears pretty empty :) [08:53] yes, but the folk there are core devs on the project [08:54] oh nice, only one of them had a cloak [08:54] anyway, let me try setting up stunnel on port 443 [08:57] one problem is that I have read that Landscape will only work with real ssl certs (aka not self signed) [08:57] it seems a little off to buy one of those while just doing evaluation of the product [09:11] anyone still around? on the pgp/ gpg key id thats the 4 digit / 8 digit ? (the key type/id)? also wich is public and wich is the one i should keep private [10:06] can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error [10:21] can anyone tell me why i cannot sign the UCoC? when i run the terminal part i gfet a file error [10:22] Zus: The number of people who joined or left in the time between your queries is much smaller than the entirety of the channel. [10:23] !pgp [10:23] gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [10:23] Zus: try those links. If that doesn't work, try https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey [10:24] If that doesn't work, try asking in a support forum more closely aligned with the UCoC (like #ubuntu) [10:24] oops.. [10:25] i got all the wya to where i donwloaded the ucoc and have to run the terminal === matsubara-afk is now known as matsubara [12:38] Im loving the error ID's for LP... starting with "OOPS-" :D [12:38] mind, it sucks that I cant file a bug :/ [12:40] * jussi01 tries with edge disabled [12:44] ok, disabled edge and now it works :) [12:44] jussi01: That's not a solution; production adopts something very close to edge's code in about 36 hours. [12:45] wgrant: right, is an error code useful to you? [12:45] jussi01: Not to me, but to most other people it will be. [12:45] So mentioning it here might be good. [12:45] wgrant: sure: (Error ID: OOPS-1522EB454) [12:45] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1522EB454 [12:54] jussi01: you were filing a bug about the ubuntu website? [12:55] james_w: correct [12:55] you know there is an ubuntu-website project? [12:55] james_w: I was filing against ubuntu-website, is that incorrect? [12:56] james_w: I did get the bug filed eventually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/530653 [12:56] Launchpad bug 530653 in ubuntu "Ubuntu website contains page "Ubuntu MID" which is obsolete" [Undecided,New] [12:56] package? [12:56] err, that's against ubuntu :-) [12:56] james_w: I blame ogra :D [12:57] [14:27:33] a bug against the ubuntu-website product might work (and my misinterpretation) :D [12:57] anyway the oops seems to be a timeout doing the query for related bugs [12:57] james_w: so, where should I be filing that bug? what is the correct process? [12:58] the ubuntu-website one? [12:58] yes [12:58] I'll reassign [12:58] thanks, mucha apreciated. [12:58] * james_w grumbles at the project picker [12:58] james_w: btew, who should I be bothering about the other bug (see #ubuntu-community-team) [12:59] bug 488394? [12:59] Launchpad bug 488394 in launchpad-registry "Export irc_nicknames with "anonymous" requests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488394 [12:59] james_w: yes :) [13:00] shouldn't be too hard to fix I think [13:01] oh, wgrant gives a different suggestion for doing it that might be more work [13:01] james_w: yeah, wgrant said similar, just a matter of doing it, no? [13:01] heh [13:01] yeah, I was suggesting you could bother yourself about it :-) [13:02] james_w: I have no coding experience sadly. wgrants comment was: [13:02] [12:58:39] jussi01: Replied on the bug with the solution. It's trivial. [13:05] jussi01: what about? [13:06] nigelb: ? [13:06] jussi01: I saw the words trivial and bug ;) [13:06] anything I can help? [13:06] nigelb: bug 488394 [13:06] Launchpad bug 488394 in launchpad-registry "Export irc_nicknames with "anonymous" requests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488394 [13:06] nigelb: theres a suggestion on the bug on how to fix [13:07] jussi01: If I can understand and manage, I'll try :) [13:07] and I think james_whad another idea [13:08] oh ? [13:08] I dont understand it though [13:08] but if someone's willing to give me a much more clearer idea, I can think about it [13:09] nigelb: Im not sure of LP's code either :D [13:10] I've worked wiht the API, but never actually coded it [13:10] nigelb: although, if you are looking for trivial bugs, with python involved... we have one over in #ubuntu-bots-devel for you :D === daniloff is now known as danilos === Ursinha changed the topic of #launchpad to: http://launchpad.net | Launchpad read-only 23.00 UTC Wed 3 March - 00:30 UTC Thu 4 March, for 10.02 rollout (http://is.gd/9tVfU) | Read https://help.launchpad.net for help | Recent problems browsing branches should be fixed. | Help contact: Ursinha | Join https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-users | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Launchpad is open source: see channel === mrevell is now known as mrevell-lunch [13:39] this build seems to be stuck: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/sandbox/+build/1539122 :( [13:40] bigjools: Are the repeated bohrium hangs recognised? [14:12] fta2: I'm on it [14:12] bigjools, thanks === salgado_ is now known as salgado [14:41] Has there been a change to launchpad in the past couple weeks that makes me log in more often? I seem to get asked multiple times a day, and I generally always have at least one LP window open in my browser. === mrevell-lunch is now known as mrevell [14:44] persia, on edge? [14:44] jml: on production [14:44] It's only been about 5 days that it's been > 1/day though. [14:44] persia, then there hasn't been a change to Launchpad in the past couple of weeks. [14:44] Hrm. [14:44] persia, maybe it's to do with the openid stuff. [14:44] * persia wonders what else might be the cause. [14:45] persia, at least, not that I know of. [14:45] jml: Ah, because the identity provider isn't part of "launchpad"? [14:45] persia, in the sense that it's a separate service with a separate code base managed to a different release schedule by another team, yes. [14:46] Excellent. Do you know if they have a support channel? [14:47] #is on canonical's IRC server, I think. [14:49] * persia tries #canonical-sysadmin hoping that's close enoug === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [15:18] http://staging.launchpad.net doesn't work [15:18] :( === matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch [15:36] SiNiESTrO, it's down atm while we update it. [15:36] Ok! no problem [15:37] I have a question... Is it possible to create a distribution project in Launchpad demo? [15:38] no. === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === Ursinha-lunch is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-brb === danilos is now known as daniloff === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch [16:53] jml: until the transition of from login.launchpad.net SSO as completely external to LP, login issues should still be handled here, I think [16:54] mthaddon, ahh, ok. my bad. === EdwinGrubbs is now known as Edwin-lunch [17:32] I tried to % bzr branch lp:lernid and got this: bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "") [17:32] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1522XMLP97 [17:33] google returns 0 results and nothing on help.launchpad.net [17:33] the URL from ubottu is password protected [17:41] quappa: Try again, it works for me, so perhaps it was just a momentary glitch [17:46] maxb, no, it's persists. what's more, all my attempts to use lp: with bzr ends with this error [17:48] Hmm. I guess it must be specific to your user. [17:48] hrm [17:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/387132/ [17:49] rockstar, abentley, ^ [17:50] quappa, what is your launchpad user-id? [17:51] abentley, it's "kkapp" [17:51] beuno, wtf? What were you doing? [17:51] rockstar, not me, quappa [17:52] quappa, is your email address hidden? [17:52] quappa, this looks like a disabled account. Is that correct? [17:53] rockstar, no, I visisted my account page on the web -- "Hide email address" is not checked [17:54] abentley, why would it be disabled? I never used it for anything except bug reporting and commenting. [17:54] quappa, are you sure you gave us the right user-id? [17:55] rockstar, this is my page https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/ [17:55] display name is "Алексей Капранов (Alex Kapranoff)" -- cyrillic and latin. [17:56] quappa, the user icon is our grey "inactive person" icon [17:57] abentley, it's grey here too. I've never changed by user icon from default, btw. [17:58] quappa, normally, that would mean it was in colour. [17:59] quappa, like this: https://launchpad.net/@@/person-logo [17:59] abentley, when I visit https://launchpad.net/~kkapp/+edit I see blue default "mugshot" [18:00] abentley, but the small one is still grey. what should I do to fix it? can it be related to that OOPS-XML error from bzr? [18:00] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=XML [18:01] quappa, I suspect it's the cause of the oops-xml error. I am checking with some people who know more about this. [18:01] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=xml === Ursinha-brb is now known as Ursinha [18:02] abentley, thanks a lot. [18:04] I seem to be getting mail to the launchpad lists much slower than everyone else today. [18:04] quappa, have you changed the email address registered with Launchpad recently? [18:04] * deryck will worry about it after lunch === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [18:06] quappa, also, do you happen to know when you registered your account? [18:07] abentley, I cannot even find such an option in my interface now. there's details and branding. I don't think I changed my email address recently. [18:08] abentley, oldest emails from launchpad I can find in my mbox are from 2006-12-07. That's probably very close to the registration date. [18:10] 2006-03-27 seems to be when ~kkapp was created [18:11] abentley, nope, I found a translation I took part in on 2006-08-07. [18:11] salgado, thanks! === flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste [18:17] quappa, care to try setting your @rambler email as your preferred one and deleting the other one? if that works you should be able to re-add the one you deleted and switch to it [18:18] salgado, how can I do that? [18:18] quappa, https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editemails [18:20] if that page doesn't crash [18:20] salgado, thanks. when I try to set my @rambler.ru address as my "contact address in Launchpad" I see "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." [18:21] quappa, that's weird. can you retry? [18:21] salgado, I did :) it persists. [18:21] quappa, no OOPS or anything? [18:21] salgado, nothing. [18:22] salgado, then I tried to add my gmail address and got "(Error ID: OOPS-1522F1374)" [18:22] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1522F1374 [18:23] salgado, btw, you suggested that I delete the other email address. I only have one on that page. [18:25] indeed [18:28] quappa, I was hoping we'd be able to somehow fix the data corruption ourselves, but that won't be possible. I'll chase someone with the necessary rights to do it. [18:29] can launchpad be installed in a debian machine? [18:29] or has dependencies with ubuntu [18:32] salgado, thanks! how can I help? [18:34] Breaking_Pitt: I know people have had issues trying before, but they shouldn't be too deep [18:34] the install script ask me to enable multiverse repositories [18:35] so i don't know if i had to add ubuntu repositories in order to install it on debian [18:36] Breaking_Pitt: It's likely possible to coax into working, but you'll need to be prepared to look behind the basic helper scripts and be prepared to fix things. [18:37] i've supposed but if I run it on ubuntu i will have the same problems, maxb ? [18:37] You want to do Launchpad development work on Debian? [18:38] not only on debian I mean if I have to use ubuntu I can use it [18:39] Most Launchpad development happens on Ubuntu, so the documentation and scripts all assume you will use Ubuntu [18:39] ok I'll give a try on ubuntu [18:39] thanks maxb [18:40] Are you installing a new server for this? (How come you can just change distro so easily?) [18:41] maxb: I change distro several times a day through a combination of VMs and chroots. Once set up, it's not hard to maintain. [18:42] i have a vm machine in xen with a clean install of debian lenny [18:48] quappa, should be fixed now. and sorry for the inconvenience [18:55] salgado, yes, thanks, I confirm, looks like everything is fixed! bzr works and my page on the web has suddenly much more information. Thanks a lot! [18:55] np === Edwin-lunch is now known as EdwinGrubbs === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck [20:49] hi all [20:49] could someone fix the following code import please: https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ejabberd/trunk ? === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk [20:52] asabil: would deleting the import and redoing it with bzr-svn be ok? [20:52] mwhudson, they moved to git [20:52] asabil: oh [20:52] asabil: just request a new import then [20:52] oki [20:54] mwhudson, but can't you fix the one from ~vcs-imports ? === salgado is now known as salgado-afk [20:54] asabil: well, i can delete it [20:54] otherwise lp:ejabberd won't work [20:55] well that's a different thing [20:55] i can set that up once you've created a new import [20:56] asabil: did you just create an import and then delete it? [20:56] well, I don't understand why it should be under ~asabil instead of ~vcs-import ? [20:56] yes :) [20:56] asabil: we're making import branches less of a special case [20:57] asabil: so create the import again, and i can hook it up as lp:ejabberd [20:57] okidoki [20:57] done [20:57] and thanks a lot [21:12] how do you upload to an specific ppa repo of one project? I have more ppa's in the project... [21:13] i hate OOPS' [21:18] mmh after upload how long does it take to find it in the repo? [21:19] ? [21:19] jack__: I believe the upload processor runs every 5 minutes [21:20] maxb: ok [21:20] After that, you can watch the status on the web pages [21:20] Likewise, the publisher (that puts finished build results into the repository) also runs every 5 minutes === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [21:30] Rejected: [21:30] Unable to find distroseries: unstable [21:30] mmh [21:31] should I put karmic in stead of unstable? [21:31] Yes [21:32] in the changelog? [21:32] jack__: lucid would be unstable, karmic would be stable, wouldn't it? [21:32] After all, you are uploading a package to be built in ubuntu, so you need to name an ubuntu distroseries [21:32] and if you copy a package from a lucid ppa to a karmic ppa? [21:32] is that possible [21:33] It's seldom wise to copy packages to OLDER distroseries [21:33] ok [21:33] The other way is sometimes a reasonable thing to do. It all depends on the package [21:42] maxb: why not ? [21:44] Many things can change from distroseries to distroseries. Shared library versions are a big one. [21:45] are you afraid those packages won t build, or are there more dangers [21:45] Other things include layouts of files expected by other packages, e.g. things like where python-{support,central} keep control files [21:46] jack__: You cannot copy+rebuild a package within an archive, you must either copy binaries too, or upload a new source. [21:46] Hence, you can have a package which is uninstallable, or installs but fails to operate correctly [21:47] if you download the source, build it on karmic and then upload it, how's that? [21:48] (the source is from lucid) [21:49] Do make sure you change the version number, in a way that the karmic package is less than the lucid package. [21:49] Otherwise people upgrading to lucid won't get the package replaced by the proper lucid version [21:50] good tip [21:51] do you build it in a chroot? [21:51] or just on your karmic install [21:52] Uh, this is #launchpad, are we not talking about building in PPAs? [21:52] it was about copying packages on launchpad [22:28] maxb: Even in #launchpad, is it not a good idea to recommend folk test-build locally prior to uploading? [23:09] what's the usual delay for rosetta download link mails? [23:09] been waiting a few hours now