[00:00] <Hillshum> My machine hangs on gdm login in alpha 3. I just report this as a bug right?
[00:02] <rww> Hillshum: does it hang right after you press the enter key to log in?
[00:02] <Hillshum> rww: No, it makes it through most of the sound, then repeats the last second or so a few times, then stops
[00:05] <Hillshum> What package should I file a bug against?
[00:05] <rww> Hillshum: which sound? the one you get when gdm starts (before login) or the one when gnome starts (after login)?
[00:06] <Hillshum> rww: The longer one that plays after login
[00:06] <rww> hmm, so it's probably not gdm itself
[00:09] <rww> Hillshum: I'm not sure. The #ubuntu-bugs people might know
[00:15] <wirechief> anyone able to get lucid-netbook-i386.iso to boot from a usb on a netbook
[00:17] <Hillshum> I got it to boot on a normal laptop
[00:18] <wirechief> Hillshum ok.
[00:19] <wirechief> i tried my netbook but it just moves right past it on to grub (have lunix already installed)
[00:20] <wirechief> tried using startup disk creator on lucid desktop but it balks, im not able to get it to work no matter what i do to the stick.
[00:21] <wirechief> i know the lucid usb startup works though i used it to make a lucid 10.4 startup.
[00:21] <wirechief> oh well if i get really desperate i guess i can put it on a cd later.
[00:27] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wirechief, your BIOS boot sequence needs to br modified to look at the USB drive first , usually listed as removeable device
[00:28] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wirechief, i assume you did that already , but i have to mention the obvious
[00:29] <booboo> hey guys... i have noticed something unusual with lucid that has never happened with any version in the past...on a sugle hard drive system it installs fine no issues...however on my dual hard drive system...the consistently asks whch drive I want the bootloader to be installed with..and no matter which I choose it fails...I brought this up once before
[00:29] <booboo> why is it even asking me?  and why doesnt it install to the drive that ubuntu is being installed on?
[00:30] <Jordan_U> booboo, I think the fact that it asks has been fixed, what error does it give when it fails?
[00:31] <booboo> Jordan_U,  none it just doesnt boot at all
[00:31] <Jordan_U> booboo, What happens when you try to boot?
[00:31] <booboo> Jordan_U,  gets to grub menu...choose lucid  blank screen
[00:31] <Hillshum> rww: Should I pour over the logs left after the hang?
[00:32] <booboo> Jordan_U,  or  no menu at all and black screen
[00:32] <booboo> Jordan_U,  i am reinstalling lucid now on that system  but it hasne gotten to that choice area yet
[00:33] <booboo> Jordan_U,   I will have to burn a new disk  then if that has been fixed
[00:34] <wirechief> BluesKaj-Laptop: nope thats not my issue, i have two  distros already installed and working on that netbook but thanks for asking.
[00:34] <Jordan_U> booboo, I'm not sure if the fix is in an alpha yet.
[00:35] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wirechief, yeah, I should have read your earlier mention about the problematic stick
[00:35] <Jordan_U> booboo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/base-installer/+bug/526422 ( when launchpad comes back up )
[00:35] <booboo> Jordan_U,  ah ok
[00:35] <wirechief> BluesKaj-Laptop: although i am curious why the lucid install is not able to create a bootable usb from the one i was using.
[00:36] <wirechief> BluesKaj-Laptop: i am sure that sdf and sdf1 are clean and formatted fat32, its a 4gb stick and it had 9.10 remix on it (not anymore)
[00:36] <booboo> Jordan_U,  well apparenlty it has installed this time...installed lucid to one driver...karmic to the other...boot failed...reinstall lucid and it boots now...interesting
[00:37] <booboo> Jordan_U,  oh you know what ...i think that choice area comes with dist upgrade
[00:37] <booboo> Jordan_U,  so I will do that now  and see if it asks again.
[00:38] <wirechief> BluesKaj-Laptop: i am not sure if a simple dd of the iso to the stick would work either (havent tried unetbooten)
[00:38] <booboo> be back after that :)  if it fails  i will try another distribution on that disk and leave karmic on the other
[00:40] <Jordan_U> booboo, On upgrades you *should* be asked what drive to install grub to because in karmic the drives were stored like "/dev/sda", which can change if you add / remove drives. In lucid /dev/disk/-by-id/ will be used instead but user input is required for the transition if it's non-trivial.
[00:42] <booboo> Jordan_U,  well this isnt an upgrade to lucid...karmic has it';s own drive as does lucid
[00:43] <booboo> yet it still asks or suspect it will with the updates
[00:47] <faileas> rather newbieish question, but if i install the alpha, it should eventually update itself to the release version, right?
[00:47] <rww> faileas: yes
[00:47] <crimsun> it would be better if you were more proactive about updating, but yes.
[00:47] <faileas> oh, i will be ;p
[00:48] <wgrant> Does anybody else have what looks a lot like Tamil has some of the category descriptions in Software Centre?
[00:48] <wgrant> s/has/as/
[00:49] <crimsun> wgrant: confirmed
[00:50] <wgrant> Ah, good, so I'm not actually crazy.
[00:50] <crimsun> I wouldn't go that far for myself :-)
[00:50] <wgrant> I wonder if it's a test of some kind.
[00:58] <vbabiy> Hey guys is there a way to get flash working in 10.04
[00:58] <vbabiy> I have not flash in firefox or chrome after the upgrade to 10.04
[00:58] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wirechief, this is the procedure i followed to install with a USB drive , http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-from-usb-stick.html
[01:05] <mjs72311> Hey guys.. Is the Dust theme broken for other people after the last few days updates?
[01:07] <Steil> usb drives not automounting anymore......is this due to removal of HAL?
[01:09] <mjs72311> There has been news that Lucid supports iPhone now.. Trying to figure this out
[01:13] <booboo> vbabiy,  did you try reinstalling ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[01:13] <vbabiy> booboo, yeah that fix it
[01:13] <booboo> cool :)
[01:14] <vbabiy> my last issue is the 10.04 broke the mike on the Dell xps 1530
[01:14] <vbabiy> mic
[01:24] <itshare> hi all. other then video card type+lucidy alpha 3, what other details are needed/could be provided in bugs about black screen of nothingness? (screen goes black after selecting the language)
[01:24] <itshare> i don't see any obviuos bugs on this subject :/
[01:25] <Ian_Corne> Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:25] <Ian_Corne> anyone an idea?
[01:27] <itshare> Ian_Corne: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk&searchon=names&suite=lucid&section=all its not in lucid.
[01:29]  * itshare gets trapped in the f6 menu
[01:31] <Ian_Corne> weird??
[01:31] <itshare> Ian_Corne: that its removed?
[01:35] <DanaG> wait... a grub bug is a bug in nouveau drivers?
[01:35] <DanaG> that makes absolutely no sense.
[01:35] <DanaG> s/a grub bug/that grub bug/
[01:39] <itshare> is there a way to boot up disabling aiglx in xorg?
[01:46] <DanaG> interesting... gnome-settings-daemon now understands touchpad-toggle hotkey.
[01:46] <DanaG> Unfortunately, the only thing notify-osd displays is:
[01:46] <DanaG> ... well, something that looks like a smudgy vertical ellipsis.
[01:47] <DanaG> .... -- but 4 rows, instead of 4 columns.
[01:48] <DanaG> loading icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' not present in theme'
[02:09] <belak> Ok, plymouth is very broken with official nvidia drivers
[02:09] <belak> It looked great with nouveau
[02:09] <bjsnider> not merely broken but very much so
[02:09] <belak> Yeah
[02:09] <DanaG> http://www.techeye.net/software/amd-and-nvidia-bitchfight-over-open-source-support
[02:09] <DanaG> nice headline.
[02:09] <DanaG> old news, though.
[02:09] <bjsnider> nvidia does not produce a kms driver
[02:09] <belak> Is there a way to remove it without causing issues?
[02:10] <bjsnider> so plymouth is useless
[02:10] <belak> bjsnider, yeah, I know... I'm dual booting gentoo as well
[02:10] <bjsnider> gentoo?
[02:10] <bjsnider> never heard of it
[02:10] <belak> bjsnider, the opposite of ubuntu
[02:11] <bjsnider> the opposite
[02:11] <belak> You compile everything
[02:11] <belak> Nothing works without configuring... for the most part
[02:11] <belak> And you can choose what support to compile in
[02:11] <bjsnider> so, it doesn't work, has no user participation, has moronic devs, and years in between releases i guess
[02:11] <belak> bjsnider, what does?
[02:11] <belak> gentoo?
[02:11] <bjsnider> if it's the opposite of ubuntu
[02:12] <belak> Well, not quite
[02:13] <belak> It works if you set it up right. It has plenty of user participation. It's devs, while they do bicker, are quite smart, and it's a rolling release.
[02:13] <DanaG> The only thing I see as "not user participation" is notify-osd.
[02:13] <bjsnider> i don't think "it works" should need a qualifier
[02:13] <DanaG> Plenty of flames have flown around about that one.
[02:14] <belak> bjsnider, well, if you want it set up right, it's fine with a qualifier
[02:14] <belak> Anyway, how can I get rid of plymouth?
[02:14] <bjsnider> that needed a qualifier too
[02:14] <belak> Ok, ok
[02:14] <belak> Enough
[02:15] <belak> Removing plymouth doesn't break anything?
[02:15] <bjsnider> just uninstall the plymouth package
[02:15] <belak> Ok
[02:15] <belak> I'm used to uninstalling something and having something else break in ubuntu.
[02:15] <belak> This is the most stable ubuntu alpha I've used in a long time.
[02:18] <espen77> plymouth gives a nice looking password prompt when u have encrypted root, to bad there is no oskb like onBoard for it.
[02:29] <bjsnider> DanaG, it looks like bridgman says that in 2 or 3 months the radeon driver will have full 2d and 3d support
[02:30] <DanaG> Actually, it already is pretty durn close.
[02:30] <DanaG> The last big blocker for me is that Radeon KMS eats watts like crazy.
[02:39] <bjsnider> DanaG, haven't they been saying 2 or 3 months for 2 or 3 years?
[02:39] <DanaG> naw, I think it's been "a few months until" different things.
[02:39] <DanaG> there was gradual development of 2d and 3d and all that.
[02:39] <DanaG> As it is, even Nexuiz, with GLSL enabled, works pretty dang well.
[02:40] <DanaG> Only works well under KMS, though.
[02:46] <DSpair> Hiya gang.
[02:47] <DSpair> Anyone know how to resolve a problem where the EDID of my monitor is no always detected properly? I have an ATI Radeon HD 3200 on my motherboard and a 22" LCD using the VGA connector via a KVM and the resolution doesn't always come up right.
[02:49] <wirechief> DSpair if you use the DVI cable it should make things work better than the vga cable connected, i had trouble with detection on my emachine until i used one.
[02:49] <DSpair> wirechief: Yes, but that would preclude using the KVM.
[02:50] <DSpair> Second issue. How do I get to the GRUB menu when booting up in order to change the boot command line?
[02:50] <arand> DSpair: hold down shift
[02:50] <wirechief> hit letter e then navigate to the section you want
[02:50] <DSpair> arand: When is says "GRUB loading"? Hit shift?
[02:51] <wirechief> i wait until the screen i complete then hit e
[02:51] <arand> DSpair: Think you can hold it down earlier
[02:51] <wirechief> havent used shift to edit any.
[02:51] <DSpair> wirechief: I don't get a menu at all. It goes straight from "GRUB loading" to the Ubuntu splash screen.
[02:52] <arand> shift to get to the menu, e to edit entries
[02:52] <DSpair> I'm trying to get more details on a bug I filed about LVM and the document I was sent requires me to modify the boot command.
[02:52] <DSpair> arand: Thanks much!
[02:52] <wirechief> hmm thats not right, its not giving you a chance to even test the media
[02:52] <DSpair> BBIAB. Gonna try that.
[02:52] <DSpair> wirechief: Not booting from the CD. After install.
[02:53] <DSpair> Anyhow, BRB
[02:55] <DSpair> OK, Booting now.
[02:56] <DSpair> arand: Thanks for the "SHIFT" key tip. That worked perfectly.
[03:08] <DSpair> Well, the debugging doc that the team sent me doesn't work on Lucid.
[03:11] <mjs72311> Hey guys, anyone else having issues with the Dust Theme after yesterday's update?
[03:11] <DSpair> mjs72311: Nope.
[03:11] <DSpair> Oh, wait. I don't use Dust.
[03:12] <DSpair> :)
[03:12] <mjs72311> lol
[03:12] <mjs72311> Check the dust theme, see if the left and right sides are all foobar'ed
[03:12] <DSpair> Anyone know how to set the default boot option in GRUB on Lucid? There's no menu.lst that I can find.
[03:12] <mjs72311> DSpair, Yea, I found it the other day, 2 sec..
[03:13] <DSpair> mjs72311: Thanks much!
[03:13] <mjs72311> you're using Grub2, right?
[03:13] <DSpair> Whatever the default is on Lucid
[03:15] <mjs72311> 2 sec, I need to re-find the setting
[03:15] <DSpair> mjs72311: No worries. I appreciate the help. I searched around for some time earlier without much luck.
[03:16] <mjs72311> ok..
[03:17] <mjs72311> from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#grub (/etc/default/grub)
[03:17] <mjs72311> edit the file /etc/default/grub
[03:17] <mjs72311> and change the line: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
[03:18] <mjs72311> then it will just remember the last selection you choose
[03:18] <DSpair> Thanks!
[03:18] <mjs72311> then you need to run a command to compile the changes in to the real grub
[03:18] <mjs72311> thats the command: update-grub
[03:19] <mjs72311> grub2 is so confusing compare to the old one..
[03:20] <arand> To some extent, tis all apples and oranges to some extent...
[03:22] <teethdood> so I installed KDE 4.4 yet again, tried to like it, could not stand it :(
[03:22] <DSpair> arand: But there is something to be said for consistency.
[03:24] <DSpair> Does anyone know how to determine start order for upstart jobs?
[03:24] <DSpair> I want to set up a job to mount an LVM2 volume just before gdm starts.
[03:25] <mjs72311> I always setup my mounts in fstab, is that too late?
[03:25] <DSpair> mjs72311: Problem is that LVM2 is not getting mounted properly by fstab and is hanging up the boot.
[03:25] <DSpair> If I set "noauto" on the home dir, I can mount it manually after boot just fine.
[03:26] <mjs72311> ick, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject tho. :-P
[03:29] <joppan_> how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp
[03:30] <joppan_> how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp
[03:31] <rww> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[03:31] <rww> you can't use desktop livecds to upgrade.
[03:32] <BluesKaj> joppan_, you can do it thru the terminal sudo do-release-upgraqde -d
[03:32] <BluesKaj> er upgrade
[03:32] <joppan_> can i use the downloaded source while after running the command ..else i will to downlaod 678M which will take 21 hours with my connection
[03:32] <teethdood> what;s the diff between "sudo update-manager -d" and "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"?
[03:33] <rww> teethdood: the first is graphical, the second is terminal-based
[03:33] <rww> joppan_: not if it's a livecd, no
[03:33] <BluesKaj> and update-manager is flaky
[03:33] <joppan_> k
[03:34] <joppan_> rww: k
[03:34] <joppan_> rww: so only i can do a fresh install rite
[03:34] <joppan_> will ahve to wait till 29th april for final release of 10.04 lucid lynx rite
[03:34] <rww> joppan_: what's the name of the iso file you downloaded?
[03:36] <joppan_> rww: lucid-desktoplucid-desktop-i386.iso
[03:36] <joppan_> rww: lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[03:36] <rww> joppan_: you could use that ISO to do a fresh install of lucid. You can't use it to upgrade from 9.10 to lucid.
[03:36] <BluesKaj> joppan_, open the terminal and do what rww and i have already told you to do, sudo do release-upgrade -d
[03:37] <nigelb> can someone on lucid help me test if a bug fix upstream has made it in?
[03:37] <BluesKaj> joppan_, that command will upgrade your 9.10 to 10.04
[03:37] <nigelb> try to add http://noagenda.podshow.com/feed as a podcast feed and let me know if rhythmbox parses in properly
[03:38] <joppan_> BluesKaj: but my conn speed is very low 10KB/s ...it took 20.5 hours to downlod the iso ...
[03:39] <joppan_> BluesKaj: Checking for a new ubuntu release
[03:39] <joppan_> Done Upgrade tool signature
[03:39] <joppan_> Done Upgrade tools 9s
[03:39] <joppan_> Done downloading
[03:39] <joppan_> extracting 'lucid.tar.gz'
[03:39] <joppan_> authenticate 'lucid.tar.gz' against 'lucid.tar.gz.gpg'
[03:39] <joppan_> Reading cache
[03:39] <joppan_> Checking package manager
[03:39] <joppan_> Reading package lists: Done
[03:39] <BluesKaj> joppan_, you won't be downloading files that are that large if you just upgrade
[03:39] <joppan_> Reading state information: Done
[03:39] <joppan_> Reading state information: Done
[03:39] <joppan_> Reading state information: Done
[03:39] <joppan_> BluesKaj: this is what is current state
[03:39] <nigelb> !pastebin | joppan_
[03:40] <joppan_> BluesKaj: k
[03:40] <rww> BluesKaj: upgrading from karmic to lucid? yes you would.
[03:40] <BluesKaj> rww, sssshhhh
[03:41] <arand> Upgrading requires ~4GB of space...
[03:41] <BluesKaj> he can't use the iso unless he clean installs
[03:42] <BluesKaj> he could install to / and the use the manual partition option ...it will save his default apps and config settings
[03:42] <BluesKaj> and config settings for apps that need reinstalling
[03:44] <BluesKaj> joppan_, do understand what i just wrote ?
[03:44] <joppan_> BluesKaj: hello i have partion for / ,/boot,/home,/var,/tmp,swap now how to preserve /home ....but am not able to know which /dev/sdax is home
[03:44] <rww> "You have to download a total of 623M. This download will take about 13 minutes with your connection." :S
[03:45] <mjs72311> My TV comes tomorrow, and it'll be running Ubuntu most of the time to watch movies. :-D
[03:45] <rww> joppan_: If you type "mount" in your Karmic's terminal, it should have a line that says "/dev/sdxy on /home"
[03:46] <teethdood> speaking of watching movies in ubuntu, 1080P movies stutter bad, while win xp runs them just fine (intel GMA graphics)
[03:47] <BluesKaj> joppan_, use the live cd and install to / , then use the manaul partition option , when the guide asks to format choose  "no" , then proceed with the rest of the install
[03:47] <mjs72311> teethdood, I assume you tried a few different players?
[03:48] <teethdood> mjs72311: totem, mplayer and vlc
[03:48] <mjs72311> teethdood, if not.. I never had any issues with VLC in my experiance.. but I don't run alot of 1080p videos
[03:48] <mjs72311> teethdood, Alright.. dunno what to tell ya then.. :)
[03:48] <mjs72311> use a mac? :-D
[03:48] <mjs72311> sorry, didn't mean to burn.. :-P
[03:48] <teethdood> mjs72311:  heh. It might be because my TV is 720p and the movie is 1080p. downscaling issues?
[03:49] <mjs72311> teethdood, I assume the downscaling happens in elsewhere.. what are you using to connect the PC to the TV?
[03:50] <teethdood> but the thing is win xp handles the same thing just fine. Pisses me off cuz I don't ever use xp
[03:50] <teethdood> except to sync my stupid iphone
[03:50] <teethdood> mjs72311: VGA out from laptop
[03:51] <mjs72311> thats an analog signal..
[03:52] <mjs72311> I wouldn't think its downscaling
[03:52] <mjs72311> probably just a lot to render for your pc
[03:53] <teethdood> the question remains, how come win xp renders it just fine? this on top of running antivirus etc
[03:54] <faileas> hmm. the plymouth bug is wierd.
[03:55] <faileas> it gets stuck on the load screen until you use another VT
[03:55] <joppan_> rww: k
[03:56] <joppan_> rww: /home on sda10 as per output from /etc/mtab
[03:58] <joppan_> BluesKaj: k
[03:58] <joppan_> i will do
[04:25] <un214> anybody else find their network is gone after resume from hibernate?
[04:35] <DanaG> hmm, I find my network is gone after a failed resume and then a reboot.
[04:35] <DanaG> It makes remote connection a royal pain in the ... er, network card?
[04:39] <un214> well I get it most of the time on success resume so I filed a bug
[04:41] <Jordan_U> DSpair, You should also set "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true" ( GRUB_DEFAULT=saved alone will only work until grub 1.98 final is packaged )
[04:51] <mjs72311> Anyone having any luck with Ubuntu and iPhone.. I see it all over the blogosphere.
[04:51] <mjs72311> Not working for me
[05:41] <Steil> Hi guys, I'm having issues with network-manager-vpnc not wanting to connect to a vpn that requires a rootcert, any ideas?
[05:42] <espen77> Steil: i think vpnc is the cisco vpn
[05:42] <Steil> espen77: yes
[05:42] <perscitus> What version of gnome will 10.04 have?
[05:42] <Jordan_U> perscitus, 2.30
[05:43] <perscitus> oh good. no gnome-shell crap then
[05:44] <perscitus> gnome 3.0 and gnome-shell will be one giant leap (understatement) for gnome development
[05:44] <perscitus> backwards*
[05:45] <arand> perscitus: It will be easily installable for testing, but not default no.
[05:45] <espen77> Steil: sorry, i havent any experience with vpn, nust know there is vpnc and openconnect for Cisco
[05:46] <arand> perscitus: All a matter of preference...
[05:46] <perscitus> arand,  I would bet you on that
[05:46] <rww> !info gnome-shell lucid
[05:46] <Steil> espen77: thanks, yeah i can use the command line vpnc but i can't use the network-manager frontend
[05:48] <arand> perscitus: I quite like it, and with some finishing I'd say it's a viable replacement.
[05:49] <perscitus> arand,   The moment gnome-shell becomes part of gnome, is there day i use kde. end of story.
[05:49] <perscitus> I'm probably not the only ones too
[05:49] <espen77> Steil: you have both network-manager-{vpnc,vpnc-gnome} installed?
[05:50] <arand> perscitus: dito when kde4 came along, it's always going to be a rough start, and eveyone hates change anyways...
[05:50] <Steil> yes
[05:51] <Steil> i just need to know how to enable rootcertificate
[05:51] <perscitus> arand,   except this change in gnome decrases usability
[05:52] <arand> perscitus: your opinion :)
[05:53] <perscitus> arand,   wanna bet?
[05:55] <arand> perscitus: safe bet, I know my opinion :) But yes, of course loads of people are going to hate it, there's no denying that, and in the first releases it might not be useful at all, but I still think the overall direction of it is not inherently bad.
[06:07] <perscitus> arand,  I just tried gnome-shell and i stand by my original opinion
[06:11] <perscitus> arand,   and there is difference between kde 3 -> 4 and gnome 2 to 3
[06:21] <arand> perscitus: Also, gnomes will be gnomes, they make a lot of (in many's opinion) stupid decisions and changes, but I've come to the conclusion that if I'm gonna care about every little thing they do wrong I will sooner or later get a nervous breakdown, there is always kde, openbox, gnome-legacy, etc. If gnome3 does in the end turn out to be crap, well so be it, it's gnome wasting time, not me.
[06:36] <espen77> there is allways mwm if gnome3 is to bad :P (http://xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-tomp.gif)
[06:37] <perscitus> arand,  KDE is professional
[07:00] <saxin> I'm so happy with Lucid Lynx, can't wait for it to be relased \o/
[07:03] <ZykoticK9> saxin, 59 days and counting ;)
[07:04] <saxin> Nice :)
[07:08] <kermiac> hey, can anyone confirm ALT + "t" opening a terminal window is default/ expected behaviour in lucid?
[07:09] <kermiac> or where I could find out?
[07:12] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, alt+t does open a terminal on my gnome+compiz 'somewhat' default Lucid
[07:13] <kermiac> ty ZykoticK9 :)
[07:15] <kermiac> ZykoticK9: do you happen to have ati graphics?
[07:16] <arand> kermiac: I thought it was ctrl+alt+t?
[07:16] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, I'm sorry - but NO way.  I avoid ati like the plague.
[07:16] <arand> or did it chanfe?
[07:17] <kermiac> ZykoticK9: I don't blame you - wise decision :)
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> arand, kermiac ctrl+alt+t does nothing here?
[07:17] <kermiac> arand: that's what I was wondering too
[07:17] <kermiac> would it be in metacity changelogs maybe?
[07:18] <kermiac> or does some other package handle default shortcut keys?
[07:21] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, if you are using gnome, compiz or metacity makes no difference on my system - alt+t opens a terminal either way
[07:21] <kermiac> hmm... http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/metacity/metacity_2.28.1-0ubuntu2/changelog says CTRL+ALT+T
[07:23] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, System / Prefs / Keyboard Shortcuts -- under Desktop find Open a terminal window -- mine shows Alt+T
[07:25] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, my system was last updated 7 hrs ago - but i do have some updates, i'll see if it's the same after
[07:27] <kermiac> ZykoticK9: yes, mine says ALT+T too
[07:29] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, no change after updates (but can't log out right now so not really a good test).  Does the alt+t work on your system?
[07:30] <kermiac> I just finished doing updates now & rebooted but no change
[07:30] <kermiac> yes, ALT+T works (and is set in keyboard shortcuts) on my lucid box
[07:31] <kermiac> CTRL+ALT+T does nothing - still looking into exactly what package handles the keyboard shortcuts
[07:32]  * kermiac is confused
[07:35] <vish> the keyboard shortcuts has is mapped as ctrl+alt+t , but that does nothing , only alt+t opens a terminal
[07:36] <vish> s/is/it
[07:50] <ZykoticK9> in USC i like the "Provided by Ubuntu", with other repos listed beneath it's a cool feature really.  is there a way to add PPAs to this list as well?  side note: the inability to get more information about a package from within USC is a major failing of this interface right now.
[07:57] <zniavre> does dgm2setup works on Lucid?
[08:18] <Ryan1> I have Lucid installed on a laptop and the screen goes blank while booting. I don't think it boots at all. How can I resolve this?
[08:20] <Ryan1> The displays turns off completely, the power/num lock/touchpad lights stay on and the HDD activity light stays off
[08:21] <twb> I'm rolling a Lucid-based kiosk system, with a cut-down X session.  Which (if any) notification-daemon implementations will work without a WM that implements the FDO systray?
[08:27] <twb> Never mind, I can just use Ratpoison's :echo command with a really big font.  Quick and dirty and fugly.  Whee!
[08:29] <kjeldahl> FWIW, I'm experiencing serious trouble with Thunderbird on a dual screen setup with compositing active. Turning off compositing seems to get Thunderbird back to normal. Symptom is missing paint events/updates.
[08:38] <espen77> Ryan1: try <ctrl><alt><f1> and then <ctrl><alt><f7> or try holdin shift when the grub line shows and choose another kernel
[08:41] <BUGabundo_remote> bom d|a
[08:53] <Ryan1> Ctrl + Alt + F1 didn't do anything, but I fixed it by booting to a root console and installing updates
[08:54] <Ryan1> I didn't have any other kernels because it was installed from alpha 3
[08:56] <kermiac> ZykoticK9: you still around?
[08:56] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, ya, what's up?
[08:56] <kermiac> can you please "me too" bug 529852?
[08:58] <ZykoticK9> kermiac, i'm affraid i don't see a bug there - i see working as designed - it's set in my keyboard preferences to open a terminal, and it does.
[08:59] <kermiac> ok nvm... it is actually a bug. CTRL+ALT+T should open terminal, not ALT+T... but that's ok
[08:59] <kermiac> compiz is doing weird things to metacity keybindings
[09:00] <ZykoticK9> i could certainly see there being overlaps between the two
[09:00] <kermiac> ok, fair enough... np ZykoticK9 :)
[09:04] <meatbun> i am on ubuntu 9.04 was using 8.x, after this , transimssion sucks. did htye put an old version in there?
[09:04] <meatbun> i dont have that activity chart with all those blue blocks?  http://www.transmissionbt.com/help/gtk/1.5x/gfx/inspector.jpg
[09:05] <ZykoticK9> meatbun, if you are using 9.04 repeat your question in Ubuntu support channel #ubuntu (this channel is for Lucid 10.04 support)
[09:06] <meatbun> ZykoticK9: i did no one knows
[09:06] <meatbun> developers should keep in mind when they upgrade the distro, they should keep the old app as is
[09:07] <rww> !info transmission-gtk hardy
[09:07] <rww> !info transmission-gtk karmic
[09:07] <meatbun> it happens to me quite often, every time, a new version of ubuntu comes out, an working existing app, no longer works!!
[09:07] <meatbun> i am frustrated!!!!
[09:07] <rww> I guess that's a "no".
[09:07] <meatbun> not just transmission, but tac plus and other apps
[09:08] <meatbun> and god know which was didn't work
[09:09] <meatbun> *fucking it*!!!
[09:09] <jussi01> !wtf | meatbun
[09:27] <rye> Has anybody here got a separate /home partition? If yes - do you experience random issue with "Waiting for /home [SM]" displayed in plymouth for quite some time and then it launches gdm w/o /home mounted?
[09:47] <Slik_> hello cn anybody talk to me about ubuntu and eeepc ?
[09:58] <neil_d> I would like to try out 10.04.. how would I go about this?  is there a minimal CD release?
[09:59] <rww> neil_d: define "minimal"
[09:59] <neil_d> rww: a small <100MB iso image that install ubuntu via the internet.
[10:00] <rww> neil_d: 32-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso  |  64-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[10:02] <neil_d> rww: does that install 9.10 or 10.4?
[10:02] <rww> neil_d: 10.04
[10:02] <rww> hence the "lucid"
[10:03] <neil_d> rww: great.. I was wondering what 'current' meant in the link.
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all. are universe packages allowed in ubuntu install cds these days?
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm specificaly wondering if theres a chance usb-modeswitcher can be included
[11:10] <arand> Kamping_Kaiser: have you read the discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss ?
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> arand: no. i don't follow ubuntu lists anymore. roughly howlong ago should i be looking in the archive?
[11:28] <arand> 01/03/10 10:17, but there seems to ahve been rpevious discussions which was taken up again.
[11:28] <arand> Kamping_Kaiser: So fairly new
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> arand: thanks, I'll check the archive :)
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you indicating the month is  january or march?
[11:30] <arand> Kamping_Kaiser: summary It seems more prudent to me to simply document that if your card isn't
[11:30] <arand> > supported by Lucid OOTB, you may install the unsupported usb-modeswitch
[11:30] <arand> > package from universe.  Then work on having that be the sole supported
[11:30] <arand> > option for lucid+1
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta. shame it'll miss the lts :( guess we'll be installing it after install for the next few years
[11:31] <arand> Kamping_Kaiser: hrm, more spammy then intended ↑ But that kind of seems to be the gist of it jaunuary as in yesterday, yes. Hence why I remebered it clearly ;)
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> cheers. found it in the archive :)
[11:41] <thedoor> hiiii :)
[11:41] <thedoor> im updating my 9.10 to 10.04 anyone have problem with this?
[11:50] <BUGabundo_remote> several
[11:51] <Yaroze> display turning completely WHITE in recovery mode, latest alpha.. what could cause that?
[11:51] <Yaroze> computer seems to bootup just fine
[12:03] <wirechief> anyone prefer netbootin over usb-creator besides myself ?
[12:04] <wirechief> usb-creator seems not to work very well
[12:15] <Yaroze> wirechief: i have never managed to make a bootable usbstick with usb creator
[12:17] <wirechief> Yaroze sounds like its broken in some manner. I was debating filing a bug but not sure, sometimes sticks get ugly, i have used mkidosfs to clear the mbr and sdb1 to no avail.
[12:18] <wirechief> then tried unetbootin and after reformating and doing the mkidosfs it worked. im not impressed.
[12:19] <Yaroze> http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested
[12:21] <wirechief> Yaroze why are you putting up a binary /
[12:21] <wirechief> ?
[12:21] <Yaroze> wirechief: a binary what what now?
[12:39] <abe3k> hi guys, I was wondering how can I write text into the nautilus address bar, there was the pencil icon before to do that , but I can't see it now.
[12:40] <abe3k> uhm, anyone ?
[12:43] <abe3k> no one has any idea ?
[12:44] <pecisk> Anyone else have run into this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/461815
[12:45] <pecisk> abe3k, press Ctrl+L
[12:46] <pdani> hi
[12:46] <abe3k> pecisk: is there any way to toggle  it ?
[12:46] <pdani> i installed lucid, but i can't find sun-java6-* packages. where can i download them?
[12:46] <pecisk> abe3k, button? I'm not sure
[12:46] <pdani> i mean, for lucid
[12:46] <pecisk> pdani, use openjdk
[12:47] <pdani> i would prefer to use sun-java6, because hadoop packages depends on it
[12:47] <pecisk> I don't know why they are absent
[12:47] <abe3k> pecisk: not important to be a button, I just want to turn it on for a while
[12:47] <pecisk> maybe there are licensing problems with new Java owner Oracle
[12:48] <pecisk> abe3k, well press Ctrl+L, give path, press enter....
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> pdani: could use the .bin at www.java.com works great for 64bit java
[12:48] <pdani> thx
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> what's a halfop?
[13:22] <sidh> greetings gentlemen
[13:36] <rzx237> is there someone succed installing lucid? bcause I just failed installing it in virtualbox
[13:37] <Damascene> most of all did
[13:37] <Damascene> are you using Alpha 3?
[13:37] <rzx237> Damascene: yes
[13:40] <Damascene> you should give more information on your problem so someone could help you
[13:40] <rzx237> Damascene: after doing some setting and start installing 15%, then I got message: sorry ubiquity has closed unexpectedly...
[13:40] <Damascene> try to update before install
[13:40] <Damascene> at least ubiquity
[13:41] <rzx237> so some package has been updated since alpha3?
[13:42] <Damascene> actually the daily update is about 30 mb
[13:43] <rzx237> thanks, I will try it
[14:03] <sidh> i would like to know one thing : there is a known bug with karmic amd64 SMP kernel and virtualbox running windows guest extremely slow, so i upgraded to lucid and didn't get that problem anymore, to day i distupgrade lucid , and i get again that problem ?
[14:04] <sidh> as the initial problem relates to the kernel, and this morning the dist-upgrade updated the kernel
[14:04] <sidh> i wonder if the karmic's kernel problem has been ported to lucid's
[14:06] <sidh> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5501  <= Here is the original problem
[14:15] <wirechief> sidh vbox 3.0.10 is old have you tried the most recent ?
[14:18] <sidh> 3.1.4r57640 <= i'm running this version
[14:20] <wirechief> sidh ok.
[14:20] <wirechief> what kernel on lucid now ?
[14:23] <genii> wirechief: According to my uname -r  2.6.32-14
[14:23] <rww> -15 is out! ;P
[14:23] <wirechief> Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.32-14-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Sat Feb 20 05:38:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux is what i have on daily
[14:24] <wirechief> it changes quite often.
[14:25] <wirechief> rww i updated this morning, must of just been put in.
[14:26] <sidh> 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP
[14:27] <sidh> 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP Thu Feb 25 10:10:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:27] <sidh> sorry
[14:28] <wirechief> no need to be sorry, you might have discovered a bug, however these kernels are changing almost daily it seems.
[14:30] <wirechief> i have vbox 3.0.12 r54655 and am going to update that, i noticed that lucid is not fully supported by it with guest additions.
[14:31] <wirechief> maybe the newer one with a updated guest additions will provide better performance, however my guest is lucid not windows, is that xp or win7 your running in vm ?
[14:32] <wirechief> ah... W2k guest machine
[14:32] <wirechief> ok
[14:35] <wirechief> sidh are you using any boot cheats with lucid ? like nomodeset or disabling ipv6 ?
[14:38] <sidh> wirechief: no first of all i started with ubuntu karmic amd64 minimal iso (no need gnome stuff)
[14:39] <sidh> then i dist-upgraded to lucid
[14:39] <sidh> no cheats at all
[15:09] <setuid> Something broke again in the most-recent kernels
[15:09] <setuid> Now my CPU only goes to a max of 50% speed, even though it shows as being a 2.4Ghz proc
[15:09] <setuid> # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[15:09] <setuid> 2401000 2400000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000
[15:10] <setuid> # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
[15:10] <setuid> 1200000
[15:10] <setuid> Even when I force it by passing 'performance' to scaling_governor, it still only goes to 1.2Ghz
[15:11] <sidh> setuid: which kernel ?
[15:11] <setuid> This worked with 2.6.32-10, and fails with -13 and -15, and now when I go back to -10, it no longer works there either... so i think something else was installed, that is causing this (acpi changes?)
[15:13] <setuid> Nothing I can do, will get it past 1.2Ghz
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[15:21] <nemo> So. Just wondering.
[15:21] <nemo> If we manage another release of Hedgewars in, oh, the next two weeks
[15:22] <nemo> could it make it into Lucid?
[15:22] <nemo> is nice to minimise linux users complaining the game server is empty 'cause they are on old protocol version
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> nemo: it may get added or there may be a ppa with it
[15:22] <nemo> ActionParsnip: well. we do direct people to the ppa
[15:22] <nemo> but it only picks up a fraction of ubuntu users
[15:23] <nemo> basically the ones who hit the site directly instead of using package management
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> nemo: if you submit a bug stating the issues the new version solves it may get added faster
[15:23] <nemo> mm
[15:23] <gnomefreak> nemo: it will need a feature freeze exception unless it is just a security update. but you would need to file a bug on it (at least best way)
[15:23] <nemo> 'k
[15:24] <nemo> well. guess we'd better release in advance of Lucid then, since turnaround on that would presumably not be instantaneous :)
[15:25] <gnomefreak> nemo: what version is it you want in Lucid?
[15:25] <Yaroze> http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested
[15:25] <nemo> gnomefreak: next one ;)  will probably be called 0.9.13
[15:25] <nemo> gnomefreak: still in dev
[15:25] <nemo> but we might call a code freeze soon
[15:27]  * gnomefreak not sure if we are willing to take dev this late in the devcycle but someone from motu would know more. you can try asking in #ubuntu-motu
[15:41] <setuid> sidh, any ideas?
[15:41] <setuid> I just killed off upowerd, and it seems to allow my manual scripts to set scaling to function... Is upowerd new in the last day or two's updates?
[15:42] <setuid> wait no, I take that back... it's still 1.2Ghz
[15:45] <nemo> gnomefreak: well. the main issue is ubuntu users who aren't on latest protocol basically can't play with anyone
[15:46] <nemo> gnomefreak: last release was in, on, November, since then protocol has changed quite a bit
[15:46] <nemo> well. they can play with other ubuntu users, but that's a fairly small percentage of the gamers :)
[15:46] <nemo> ... other ubuntu users who didn't switch to playdev
[15:46] <nemo> er
[15:46] <nemo> playdeb
[15:47] <gnomefreak> nemo: i have never used it or heard of it. motu would be able to give you a better idea. if code changes that backports would have to handle it for <Lucid
[15:49] <nemo> 'k
[15:50] <badp> Hello. "Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work." ← does that mean nvidia proprietary drivers are not available through the System/Administrator/Hardware Drivers menu?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> badp: not neccessarily. The hardware drivers install does not have to have the nvidia website installer
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> badp: add the nvidia ppa and install nvidia-glx-185
[16:02] <badp> thanks, that was my only worry before making the jump :)
[16:19]  * Ng notes all the shiny new iphone related gubbins in lucid
[16:19] <Ng> doesn't seem to appear in rhythmbox though
[16:20] <Ng> anyone else tried that stuff yet?
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> Ng: i use LXDE, so no
[16:24] <Ng> ActionParsnip: good to know :D
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> what are gubbins?
[16:58] <genii> Ian_Corne: Basically same idea as "little bits and pieces"
[17:19] <nFxus> how can i select a stronger key for encrypted drives durring install? the max in the list is 256.. is there a way to make a 4096?
[17:19] <nFxus> was dc'ed not sure if that posted a sec ago
[17:20] <nFxus> also. when installing dropbear to unlock via ssh. lucid doesnt seem to start it at boot time
[17:26] <onlyme> hello, i have a problem with my 10.04, i can't boot it
[17:27] <onlyme> i have an error with the "mountall" package... ;/
[17:28] <onlyme> mount: mount point does not exist; mount: mount [....] terminated with status 32; mountall: filesystem could not be mounted
[17:30] <badp> if there are repository managers around -- the repos have broken packages right now
[17:30] <badp> just warning you.
[17:30] <badp> (and all attempting to upgrade to beta 3 right now)
[17:33] <badp> if I got my copy pasting right, server-xorg 1:7.5+1ubuntu11 depends on server-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic 2.6.32.15.16 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE)
[17:35] <charlie-tca> yes, there are some issues yet. that's why it is still alpha
[17:35]  * BUGabundo_remote checks for updates
[17:36] <badp> I'm telling you what the issue is so you can fix them. That's why people test alphas
[17:36] <badp> *it
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:36] <BUGabundo_remote> badp: alpha3 is sooo old right now
[17:37] <badp> BUGabundo_remote: indeed I think upgrade-manager -d is bringing me to the latest in the repos
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> correct
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> at least the one of yoru mirror
[17:37] <badp> good point
[17:37]  * badp switches to the default mirror
[17:37] <badp> *master
[17:38] <badp> gah, I was already using that.
[17:39] <ZykoticK9> badp, just an fyi, my system is fully uptodate and i see the two packages you mentioned greyed out in my Update Manager list
[17:40] <badp> that's because of linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE)
[17:41] <BUGabundo_remote> just leave it be
[17:41] <BUGabundo_remote> prob not build yet
[17:41] <BUGabundo_remote> or failed to build
[17:41] <BUGabundo_remote> X team knows about it
[17:41] <badp> yeah, it's just the first time I hit a broken repository snapshot during the upgrade progress itself :)
[17:42] <badp> I guess I was lucky the other times
[17:43]  * charlie-tca forgot to say what BUGabundo_remote said, but I was thinking it...
[17:44] <badp> yeah, this kind of stuff does tend to resolve itself shortly. I just hoped it would resolve itself faster if I told you <.<
[17:44] <badp> ah well. sorry.
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> np
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> it happens
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks for the heads up
[17:46] <DasEi> onlyme: have another os or a live cd to acces that sytem ?
[17:47] <onlyme> im on a live cd right now
[17:47] <DasEi> same machine , onlyme ?
[17:47] <onlyme> 'cos i can't login...i get that message, and the system get stuck
[17:47] <onlyme> yes, the same machine
[17:47] <DasEi> one hardrive only ?
[17:47] <ZykoticK9> sidh, i'm getting the same slow VMs in VBox with most recent updates, did you find any solution/bug to the issue?
[17:48] <DasEi> one hardrive only ?  onlyme
[17:48] <onlyme> yep, only one
[17:48] <DasEi> onlyme: open a terminal ..
[17:49] <DasEi> onlyme: sudo -s
[17:49] <onlyme> yes...
[17:49] <DasEi> onlyme: mkdir /media/root
[17:49] <onlyme> done
[17:49] <DasEi> onlyme: mount /dev/sda1 /media/root
[17:50] <DasEi> onlyme: chroot /media/root
[17:50] <DasEi> onlyme: ls                 << is this your harddrive ?
[17:50] <onlyme> yes
[17:50] <DasEi> onlyme: cd /etc
[17:50] <DasEi> onlyme: nano stab
[17:51] <DasEi> oops
[17:51] <DasEi> nano fstab
[17:51] <badp> also, scilab-bin 5.2.1-3 is unavailable
[17:51] <onlyme> yes...
[17:51] <DasEi> onlyme: you know how to read fstab ?
[17:52] <nFxus> can sda2_crypt be renamed after install
[17:52] <onlyme> yes
[17:52] <DasEi> onlyme: or can you remember which was the partition it halted on ?
[17:52] <onlyme> it doesn't say...
[17:53] <DasEi> onlyme: unless a custom setup, least will have / (root)  and swap
[17:53] <DasEi> onlyme: open a second tab in terminal of live cd
[17:53] <DasEi> sudo blkid
[17:53] <onlyme> i have the / , swap , proc , windows, and 2 for external hd's, but they are commented
[17:54] <onlyme> all the UUID's, are correct
[17:54] <onlyme> already check that
[17:54] <DasEi> onlyme: just for debugging, comment win and proc, too
[17:54] <DasEi> 2 lines are not to much, copy them in here ?
[17:55] <DasEi> too*
[17:56] <onlyme> http://pastebin.com/8ciER54a
[17:56] <onlyme> that's my fstab and UUID's
[17:57] <BUGabundo_remote> time to move $HOME. cu later
[17:57] <onlyme> btw, is it normal to have fstab.pre-ntfs-config on the /etc ?
[17:58] <onlyme> could it be something wrong in the mtab file as well?
[18:00] <DasEi> onlyme: line 27 following, three bad lines /scd0
[18:01] <onlyme> commented them all
[18:04] <onlyme> will try to boot it now...be right back
[18:04] <DasEi> onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err
[18:12] <o_portista17> DasEi, im the "onlyme"
[18:12] <DasEi> o_portista17: ic
[18:12] <DasEi> onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err
[18:12] <o_portista17> i've commented all, except the linux, and i have the same error
[18:14] <o_portista17> i have it like that
[18:14] <o_portista17> only linux and swap
[18:14] <o_portista17> all the rest is commented
[18:15] <DasEi> o_portista17: same again, let's look at syslog
[18:15] <DasEi> o_portista17: sudo -s
[18:15] <DasEi> o_portista17: mkdir /media/root
[18:15] <DasEi> mount /dev/sda1 /media/root
[18:16] <DasEi> chroot /media/root
[18:16] <o_portista17> yes...
[18:16] <DasEi> cd /var/log/
[18:16] <DasEi> nano syslog
[18:17] <o_portista17> i have nothing from today
[18:22] <DasEi> sure, couldn't get past fstab
[18:22] <DasEi> my bad
[18:23] <DasEi> close nano (ctrl-x)
[18:23] <DasEi> cd
[18:23] <DasEi> cd  /etc
[18:24] <DasEi> nano fstab, paste it again, o_portista17
[18:24] <o_portista17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/387150/
[18:28] <DasEi> I havent checked the uuids by numbers, least cd is still wrong, ","missing and space to much before auto, but just also uncomment, not needed to boot, looks right to me
[18:28] <DasEi> it is :
[18:28] <DasEi> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 auto user,noauto,exec 0 0
[18:29] <DasEi> should read : /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto         (or /dev/scd0),  just also comment it
[18:30] <DasEi> also look if /media/cdrom0 exists (as dir)
[18:30] <o_portista17> it does
[18:31] <o_portista17> will try again, this time without the UUID's
[18:32] <DasEi> from an overlook, they seem right
[18:32] <mrmcq2u> Is anyone else having a problem with the dvd drive disappearing in nautilus when you put in a blank cd/dvd and then reappearing when you take it out?
[18:32] <DasEi> leave them, for grub2, o_portista17
[18:33] <o_portista17> ok, will give it another try
[18:33] <o_portista17> brb
[18:34] <timboy> how do i get real java in lucid?
[18:34] <mrmcq2u> timboy - openjdk?
[18:35] <timboy> mrmcq2u, tried to use it but it doesn't work with the app I need to use...
[18:35] <mrmcq2u> What app is that?
[18:35] <timboy> preware
[18:37] <timboy> can I get real java in lucid or is java support going to die?
[18:37] <Ian_Corne> I was asking the same thing
[18:37] <Ian_Corne> but then went to bed :p
[18:38] <robin0800> timboy: I think its in ubuntu restricted extras
[18:38] <mrmcq2u> timboy - openjdk is real java
[18:38] <mrmcq2u> openjdk is going to be the base for jdk7
[18:38] <kulight> openjdk works very well
[18:39] <mrmcq2u> I think you should go to the #openjdk channel to ask whether preware should work or not
[18:40] <ZykoticK9> timboy, I hear you can just use the bin from www.java.com and it's reported to work fine if you'd prefer
[18:41] <timboy> ZykoticK9, TXH!
[18:41] <kulight> how do you hide the join disconnected messages in empathy
[18:41] <duffydack> if openjdk is open, why is it "restricted"-extras
[18:41] <kulight> duffydack, good question
[18:42] <timboy> mrmcq2u, #openjdk isn't a channel
[18:43] <mrmcq2u> timboy its on oftc server
[18:44] <mrmcq2u> openjdk is not in restricted extras
[18:47] <robin0800> mrmcq2u: no I think java is
[18:47] <mrmcq2u> sunjava maybe
[18:48] <robin0800> mrmcq2u: indeed
[18:48] <ZykoticK9> robin0800, there is no sunjava in lucid however
[18:49] <robin0800> ZykoticK9: I know like a lot of things no mp3 no irc client etc
[18:50] <ZykoticK9> robin0800, those two things might not be installed by default but they are only and apt-get away - sunjava isn't no longer in the repo under lucid
[18:51] <ZykoticK9> s/isn't/is
[18:52] <duffydack> ah, well installing ubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk, so i assumed.......
[18:52] <robin0800>  ubuntu restricted extras say "Java runtime environment"
[18:55] <pgoetz> I'm trying to debug some Samba problems in Lucid (having to do with mounting shares from outside the firewall) and notice the following weirdness:
[18:55] <pgoetz> root@data:/etc# netstat -tulpen | grep smb
[18:55] <pgoetz> tcp6       0      0 :::139                  :::*                    LISTEN      0          151394      24303/smbd
[18:55] <pgoetz> tcp6       0      0 :::445                  :::*                    LISTEN      0          151392      24303/smbd
[18:55] <pgoetz> Is this a samba bug or a netstat bug, it's not clear, but surely smbd shouldn't only be listening on IPv6!
[18:57] <mrmcq2u> anyone had lucid successfully mount blank(cd/dvd's) disks lately?
[18:59] <robin0800> mrmcq2u: only this afternoon not this morning it was broke
[19:02] <om26er> Hey ubottu and all
[19:05] <mrmcq2u> robin0800 - been broke here for a few days
[19:06] <om26er> any one able to start gwibber?
[19:06] <mrmcq2u> nope
[19:15] <alex_mayorga> mrmcq2u: Bug #519557 maybe?
[19:19] <badp> Does Lucid replace usplash with plymouth?
[19:22] <JoshuaL> badp, iirc yes
[19:26] <Yaroze> http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested
[19:27] <kevin009> can we remove pulseaudio from 10.4, or will it break the audio controls like in 9.10?
[19:27] <kevin009> this is why I still use 9.04
[19:28] <Yaroze> kevin009: there is a way to remove pulseaudio from 9.10 by replacing bits from 9.04
[19:29] <kevin009> will we still have to do that in 10.04 though? PA causes too much latency for my liking
[19:32] <Yaroze> kevin009: yeh i think so.. im running the xfce mixer here instead of gnomes atm
[19:33] <Yaroze> i wish they would stop forcing people to use PA..nobody wants it
[19:33] <nemo> heh
[19:33] <badp> except those who do
[19:33] <nemo> Yaroze: some people do
[19:33] <kevin009> yes it should be optional. that would eliminate all of the angry ranting
[19:33] <nemo> optional would solve that
[19:33] <nemo> yep
[19:33] <Yaroze> nemo: yeh but they either dont run normal apps or games like quake.. or they have a crappy soundcard
[19:33] <nemo> badp: problem is, isn't Gnome moving to it exclusively?
[19:34] <zniavre> good evening
[19:34] <nemo> badp: so isn't like ubuntu could just eliminate it w/o extra maintenance
[19:34] <zniavre> it looks as last xorg/mesa update broke my nvidia 173.14 driver
[19:34] <kevin009> well that seems weird, because gnome is accessible with orca, but pa causes lag with orca
[19:34] <badp> I'm no Shuttleworth but I think the point is PulseAudio is richer in features and whatnot
[19:35] <badp> like per-application volume control
[19:35] <Yaroze> richer in features? than what?
[19:35] <badp> ..other sound toolkits?
[19:35] <Yaroze> i dont want them
[19:36] <kevin009> but i suspect that many users are like myself. they just want the audio to come out of the speakers as soon as possible
[19:36] <badp> I don't know, sound works for me (if I except ioquake) and that's good enough for me I guess
[19:36] <Yaroze> yeh and many dont want distorted sound either
[19:36] <Yaroze> or none at all (pulse does not work at all with some cards)
[19:36] <badp> not even youtube gives me noticeable lag on sound...
[19:37] <Yaroze> screw the lag, the fucked up sound quality is more important :)
[19:38] <bjsnider> what sound cards does pulse not work with?
[19:41] <wirechief> probably the most asked question from users with Pulse Audio in #alsa channel : How can we disable or remove Pulse Audio ?
[19:41] <Machtin> :D
[19:42] <badp> keep in mind people come in that channel because they have trouble with PA ;)
[19:42] <wirechief> i know i dealt with em for months ;0
[19:42] <bjsnider> if you hav pulse problems you've almost always got a bad alsa driver
[19:42] <badp> you have to also measure how many don't go there...
[19:42] <bjsnider> or your sound chip is a piece of junk
[19:44] <wirechief> from google: Results 1 - 10 of about 41,600 for disable or remove Pulse Audio ?.
[19:44] <wirechief> thats a lot of hits.
[19:44] <badp> yeah, now see how many hits are there for 'ubuntu' :)
[19:45] <wirechief> Results 1 - 10 of about 301,000 for ubuntu disable or remove Pulse Audio ?
[19:45] <wirechief> interesting ?
[19:46] <wirechief> there is a lot of disappointment and anger over that one program .
[19:46] <wirechief> but maybe someday it will just work.
[19:46] <badp> Results 1 - 10 of about 47,700,000 for ubuntu
[19:47] <badp> but good try in dodging my point ;)
[19:47] <wirechief> it wouldnt be so bad if the users had a choice, they really dont. its what linux is suppose to be about.
[19:49] <bjsnider> they can choose to pooch their systems if they want
[19:51] <bjsnider> pulse wasn't conceived of as something that would be an onerous burden on users, but something they would want. and would be useful
[19:52] <badp> why don't you file a bug in launchpad about it, however, if you feel so strongly on the topic?
[19:54] <kevin009> iirc bugs have been filed
[19:54] <kevin009> but people just say "pulseaudio is the future"
[19:55] <bjsnider> it is the present too
[19:57] <sp_otaku> Hello, I turned on my lucid system and got the updates for the new 2.6.32.15 kernel, but it doesn't fully boot. It says something like ureadahead, and I think it can't mount my tmp dir,(it has its own partition, but that shouldn't matter)
[19:58] <sp_otaku> the kernel from the install works but new ones don't
[19:58] <Jordan_U> Does lucid use pulseaudio's single volume control by default?
[19:58] <sp_otaku> That and what the heck is up with the ultra slow usb transfers I've tried everything to fixit.
[20:01] <o_portista17> hello
[20:01] <o_portista17> DasEi, thank you very much for all the help, got it working...
[20:02] <DasEi> o_portista17: nice feedback
[20:02] <DasEi> !fstab
[20:02] <o_portista17> now only have to find out what's going on with swap...
[20:05] <o_portista17> mount: mount point swap does not exist
[20:06] <jcole> o_portista17: sudo swapon -a
[20:07] <jcole> o_portista17: sudo fdisk -l  | grep swap
[20:07] <o_portista17> ./dev/sda3           38659       38914     2048000   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[20:08] <jcole> o_portista17: cat /proc/swaps
[20:08] <o_portista17> cat /proc/swaps
[20:08] <o_portista17> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[20:09] <jcole> hmm
[20:09] <jcole> o_portista17: grep swap /etc/fstab
[20:09] <n4cht> okay... so .. upgraded to development version of lucid and now nvidia x server settings is complaining that it's unable to load my x config "failed to query NoScanout for screen 0." ... any ideas?
[20:09] <o_portista17> ./dev/sda3 swap defaults 0 0
[20:10] <jcole> do you have a dot "." in front of /dev/sda3 ?
[20:10] <o_portista17> no
[20:10] <o_portista17> i've just used it, so it won't send it has a command
[20:10] <o_portista17> *as
[20:11] <jcole> change /etc/fstab to this -> /dev/sda3 swap sw 0 0
[20:11] <jcole> then run this -> sudo swapon -a
[20:12] <o_portista17> i have tried to activate swap thru Gparted, and it's on
[20:12] <jcole> is /dev/sda3 formatted to swap? if not, run this -> mkswap /dev/sda3
[20:13] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> everyone loving the new alpha?
[20:15] <robin0800> ActionParsnip: no not realy lots broken
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> robin0800: really? guess i lucked out huh
[20:17] <BluesKaj-Laptop> ActionParsnip, the alpha seems ok so far on my setup
[20:17] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: its keeping a lot of people busy, lots of hard work for those involved I am sure, updates everyday.
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> BluesKaj-Laptop: snap, mind you i only buy off the HCL :)
[20:18] <BluesKaj-Laptop> HCL?
[20:18] <wirechief> BluesKaj-Laptop: that create a startup usb on 10.3 didnt work for me, i had to use netbootin and that worked, others have complained too so its a good chance its in trouble.
[20:19] <BluesKaj-Laptop> wirechief, thanks for the heads up ,I'll delete that tutorial from my list
[20:20] <n4cht> ActionParsnip: i love it except my nvidia x server settings won't work anymore for setting resolution... the normal ubuntu one will so it's no biggie.
[20:20] <wirechief> well i just dont know, maybe a brand new, never been used usb stick will work (i dont have one atm)
[20:20] <n4cht> brb.  gotta take the wife to work.
[20:22] <BluesKaj-Laptop> yeah wirechief , mine is brand new and the iso was the first data
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> n4cht: i used xorg.conf after running: sudo nvidia-xconfig   works a treat
[20:24] <wirechief> just too many variables when you try to reuse a stick that it will fail even when all the files are there, they wont boot. im not sure if someone wrote a how to reuse a stick and have it work..
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: is grub installed on the usb?
[20:26] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: when it worked it just booted to the pre-installed grub
[20:27] <wirechief> else it went to my installed grub on /dev/sda
[20:28] <wirechief> i did notice a locked file on the stick when it was failing, not sure what that was all about.
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: find out what the file is or does, is the stick super old?
[20:28] <Yaroze> bjsnider: is emu10k drivers that bad?
[20:28] <Yaroze> are even :P
[20:29] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: well maybe a few months, i had 9.10 on it while it was working and decided to try it.
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: should be ok then, usb has limited writes
[20:29] <wirechief> but then i tried another stick that never had a .iso on it and it failed too.
[20:29] <Yaroze> http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: tried a different usb port?
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: do you get any boot from it at all?
[20:30] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: hmm, no. used the same port with netbootin though and it worked.
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> wirechief: does it boot in a different system?
[20:31] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: i could check the second stick to see if that locked file is still on it.
[20:32] <wirechief> when it finally worked with unetbootin, it booted both on the computer i made it on (but not to the desktop) and the netbook
[20:32] <wirechief> i then was able to install the lucid remix on the netbook
[20:32] <robin0800> any one tried the gt-quassel that uses qt and no kde librarys
[20:35] <wirechief> ActionParsnip: the second stick is ok no locked files.
[20:35] <Machtin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/509487/+activity < that bug should be fixed, shouldn't it?
[20:37]  * badp gives up and removes linux-backports-modules-alsa
[20:38] <Machtin> or is my interpretation of "fix released" wrong?
[21:38] <DrHalan> hey, is anyone albe to use etherpad with epiphany?
[21:50] <soee> hi when do we see kde 4.4.1 in updates ?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> soee: when the devs upload it ;)
[21:52] <soee> -.-
[21:55] <yofel_remote> soee: most 4.4.1 package were uploaded a few hours ago, it'll take a while until they're all built
[21:55] <soee> yofel_remote: thnx for info
[21:59] <BUGabundo> hey missign yofel_remote
[22:00] <AtomicSpark> Has anyone else experinced lucid's login time being painfully noticeably longer after today's updates?
[22:01] <yofel_remote> hi BUGabundo ;)
[22:01] <alex_mayorga> anyone with confirm powers in gnome's bugzilla? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608806
[22:03] <AtomicSpark> Afaik, Empathy doesn't have the ability to link to a user's profile on any accounts. That's a big feature request this late in the game. ;3
[22:05] <devurandom> Hi!
[22:05] <BUGabundo> hi devurandom
[22:05] <devurandom> I'm trying to install Kubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04_alpha3 on my netbook from an USB Stick.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:06] <devurandom> I formated the drive as fat, ran unetbootin over the iso, onto the drive, and get something that shows me a bootloader. But when trying to actually boot one of the choices I get something like "invalid kernel".
[22:07] <alex_mayorga> AtomicSpark: and it would continue like that if no one confirms my bug :)
[22:07] <devurandom> Do you have a hint on what's wrong there?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> devurandom: not really
[22:08] <BUGabundo> did you check md5 ?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> dot the latest unetbootin ?
[22:08] <devurandom> yes
[22:08] <BUGabundo> you should also be using fat32 or vfat
[22:08] <devurandom> md5 was correct
[22:09] <devurandom> I got the unetbootin from Debian/Sid...
[22:09] <devurandom> Whichever that is.
[22:09] <devurandom> 408-1
[22:09] <devurandom> I ran mkfs.vfat, so I assume it's that. (how to confirm?)
[22:10] <devurandom> damnit, now the drive shows up as empty...
[22:12] <devurandom> ok, it seems the stick just broke...
[22:12] <devurandom> sectors 256,257,448 broken, at least.
[22:12] <devurandom> hey, how lucky am i...
[22:13] <devurandom> it still worked when I installed debian. :P
[22:13] <badp> what does upgrade-manager -d does that aptitude can't do?
[22:13] <badp> *do
[22:13] <badp> I mean, once I fixed all the dependency hell by hand.
[22:13] <badp> The day I'll replace the gfx card with Noveau chipset I'll worry about Noveau support <.<
[22:13] <AtomicSpark> Hmm. What about this?
[22:14] <AtomicSpark>  GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[22:14] <AtomicSpark> I get that ~ every time I boot, forces me to press keys before login shows.
[22:15] <AtomicSpark> Not sure where to start. Might be ecrypts something. Since when I see that error, I don't get the pretty "waiting for encrypt swap" message.
[22:15] <BUGabundo> badp: apply system migration policies
[22:15] <BUGabundo> what ever that is
[22:15] <BUGabundo> devurandom: I keep having pen drives dying on me, when flashing OSs to them
[22:16] <devurandom> cant even find a replacement, I guess that's it for now then.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> either its too abusing in flash , or I have just bad luck
[22:16] <devurandom> Thanks anyway!
[22:16] <BUGabundo> but since I only buy kingston, I get life time warranty
[22:16] <devurandom> Oh, you just send them back?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:16] <BUGabundo> and get a new one
[22:17] <badp> I hope that's nothing too important
[22:17] <devurandom> I've got Transcend here, maybe that wors, too.
[22:17] <badp> because that's what I'm going to have to miss
[22:17] <devurandom> And I still have some sd card, maybe I can get it to boot from that...
[22:17] <Tscheesy> devurandom: depends your BIOS but its possible
[22:19] <devurandom> I'll just enable all possible options and pray. ;)
[22:19] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: thanks on clarifying their warranty to me
[22:19] <devurandom> Samsung N140, in case someone already got experience with that.
[22:20] <Tscheesy> nc10 here and possible ;)
[22:20] <devurandom> Tscheesy: What option did you have to enable?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> alex_mayorga: depends what model of cours
[22:21] <Tscheesy> devurandom: boot from * .. enable the slot.. i do not remember the better
[22:21] <devurandom> I once tried with Moblin and couldnt get it to boot...
[22:21] <BUGabundo> I carry two in my pocket
[22:21] <BUGabundo> one if already a replacemetne
[22:21] <BUGabundo> my really old one 128MB usb1.1 was replaced TWICE too
[22:21] <BUGabundo> but OT
[22:21] <BUGabundo> :D
[22:21] <BUGabundo> devurandom: SD would even suck more, I would think
[22:21] <Tscheesy> devurandom: but i did the micorsd boot live manually with syslinux
[22:22] <badp> btw, what was failing the upgrade to happen wasn't the Noveau drivers or more stuff
[22:22] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: but if it says lifetime, that's how it goes right?
[22:22] <badp> OO.o is currently broken without the package manager knowing about it it seems
[22:22] <devurandom> BUGabundo: suck in which way?
[22:22] <badp> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.
[22:22] <BUGabundo> badp: one more depency
[22:23] <BUGabundo> funny enouth I dotn have that one missing
[22:23] <BUGabundo> and I just upgraded
[22:23] <BUGabundo> your system is all messed up, it seems
[22:23] <BUGabundo> did you have many 3rd party repos?
[22:23] <BUGabundo> or weren't fully updated prior to upgrade?
[22:23] <badp> no, that problem is the only one that the upgrade program ever complained about tbh
[22:23] <badp> I was fully upgraded before starting
[22:24] <BUGabundo> devurandom: they can be written many less times then Flash
[22:24] <badp> and when I used aptitude to hand resolve dependencies there were no problems around anything in the whereabouts of OO.o
[22:24] <badp> my fix was to remove OO.o anyway
[22:24] <devurandom> Well it was cheap and I dont have a use for it anyway.
[22:24] <badp> indeed, the upgrade manager managed to dribble its way around the missing package and whatnot
[22:25] <devurandom> And we can summarize: The N140 cannot boot from SD...
[22:25] <badp> but this problem, which was not apparent to the package manager, borked it all.
[22:25] <syke> hi
[22:25] <badp> hey
[22:25] <devurandom> Maybe I should just stay with Debian. Less fancy, but it works...
[22:25] <syke> I'm having some trouble upgrading to lucid using the 'update-notifier-kde -d' method
[22:25] <syke> is it known to not work for upgrading from 9.10?
[22:26] <syke> I get the error message: "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade"
[22:27] <badp> there's a dependency problem
[22:28] <badp> use aptitude, synaptic or whatever is default on kubuntu to investigate the package
[22:28] <badp> (I guess?)
[22:28] <syke> ok
[22:29] <devurandom> heh, yes, I had weird issues before, too.
[22:29] <badp> I still am having them :)
[22:29] <badp> but hey, that's the beauty of it.
[22:29] <devurandom> apt-get, aptitude install, all couldnt help. I only figured out what was wrong when running aptitude, the ncurses iface...
[22:29]  * badp <3 aptitude
[22:30] <devurandom> gn8
[22:31] <syke> looking at the log, here's the issue
[22:31] <syke> Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on kdebase-workspace-bin
[22:31] <syke>   Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000
[22:31] <syke>   Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000
[22:31] <syke> Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on plasma-desktop
[22:31] <syke>   Considering plasma-desktop 1 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000
[22:32] <syke> I'll try updating to the 4.4SC ppa
[22:32] <syke> and then doing he upgrade
[22:37] <vexati0n> hey... any chance the kernel in LL is going to be fixed before release so it doesn't blow up on ALL of my computers?
[22:37] <histo> vexati0n: its not blowing up now
[22:37] <histo> syke: maybe in #kubuntu+1
[22:37] <vexati0n> histo, when was the last time you tested it on my notebook? :P
[22:38] <histo> vexati0n: haven't but it works fine here on my laptop
[22:38] <vexati0n> histo, well i tested it on mine 2 days ago and it made the keyboard freak out.
[22:38] <histo> vexati0n: what kernel?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:38] <alex_mayorga> great an applet took firefox-bin with it :(
[22:39] <vexati0n> 2.6.32-something. whatever the default is in alpha 3
[22:39] <histo> vexati0n: the other option is to install an older version and just wait ont he kernel upgrade if you don't want to mess with testing.
[22:39] <histo> vexati0n: its an alpha version
[22:39] <histo> not everything is going to work.
[22:39] <vexati0n> histo, which is why i asked if any more work is going into the kernel before release.
[22:39] <histo> vexati0n: oh yea
[22:40] <histo> we still have betas etc.. before we get to rc's and final
[22:40] <alex_mayorga> ant apport says the bug report is 778 MB, how that can be?
[22:41] <histo> vexati0n: we stil have beta1 and 2 then release canidate
[22:42] <alex_mayorga> on the kernel, there's no chance of shipping .33 at all?
[22:42] <histo> alex_mayorga: huge log
[22:43] <histo> !release
[22:43] <histo> alex_mayorga: vexati0n see above for the schedule
[22:43] <histo> alex_mayorga: vexati0n and feature freeze
[22:43] <alex_mayorga> histo: thanks
[22:44] <BUGabundo> histo: just because its alpha doesn't mean it shouldn't work
[22:44] <BUGabundo> just that it may not work!
[22:44] <BUGabundo> or eat all your kittens or delete your data!
[22:45] <BUGabundo> so make backups of data , and clones of kittens
[22:45] <histo> THis being an LTS the focus is on bug squashing and stability
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> why not going with the latest released kernel then?
[22:46] <alex_mayorga> so much for the release sync SABDFL was touting
[22:47] <alex_mayorga> I probably messed up the acronym, sorry
[22:47] <vexati0n> seems like 10.04 is more than just bugfixes and stability improvements though. they'r obviously making a lot of very big changes under the hood as well.
[22:47] <badp> the alpha is already in feature freeze phase, alex_mayorga
[22:48] <badp> too late for that
[22:48] <vexati0n> no more init, no more hal, integrating Ubuntu One, etc.
[22:48] <pace_t_zulu> gnome-keyring-d is being a bit of a problem logging back in from screensaver
[22:48] <histo> changing it now would result in all kinds of bugs. Now there will be patches to the current one
[22:48]  * n4cht is quite enjoying the alpha so far.
[22:49] <histo> I love it to the boot speed increases are nice. Hopefully someof the suspend issues are fixed haven't updated in a while on this laptop. Downloading now to install on a different one.
[22:50] <alex_mayorga> I wonder how many of the current bugs would be fixed by the newer kernel, is there any way to approximate the #?
[22:50]  * alex_mayorga is not complaining of alpha
[22:51] <n4cht> i haven't installed on my laptop yet.  just my desktop system, so the suspend issues aren't a bother to me.  my laptop is running gentoo, but i'm about to install slackware on it.
[22:51] <nFxus> unlockling luks via dropbear doesnt seem to work anylonger. are there any other methods to unlock the / via ssh?
[22:57] <espen77> nFxus: you mean something like "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sca2_crypt"?
[23:01] <nFxus> sec... having issues with xchat
[23:01] <nFxus> brb
[23:03] <nFxus> what i am doing is this
[23:03] <nFxus> http://howtoforge.com/unlock-a-luks-encrypted-root-partition-via-ssh-on-ubuntu
[23:04] <nFxus> with the new rls of dropbear using that script is no longer needed.. dropbear has added that function by default
[23:05] <nFxus> however with Lucid.. dropbear no longer works with crypt and unlocking the / durring boot
[23:05] <nFxus> so.. was looking to get some insite or help on the matter..
[23:09] <AtomicSpark> sudo apt-get autoremove failed to remove old kernels. :\
[23:09] <alex_mayorga> AtomicSpark: sudo aptitude autoclean ?
[23:12] <AtomicSpark> It's because of this linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic
[23:12] <AtomicSpark> Trying to remove that removes a bunch of drivers.
[23:12] <AtomicSpark> Yay.
[23:23] <nFxus> what is the stronges encryption that can be used durring the install of Lucid?
[23:23] <nFxus> strongest*
[23:27] <AtomicSpark> nFxus: Encrypted LVM protects everything but your kernel. Which you can store on a removable device. Perfect for the crazies.
[23:36] <nFxus> what are the advantages to using LVM or LVM2?.. I will be setting up a Raid6 with 16 1.5TB drives. I will be using a 2GB SSD IDE card for the OS.. any advise is welcome. Current thoughts are 100MB /boot 2GB crypted / Raid6's /home/userdir/r1&r2
[23:37] <nFxus> both raid6's will be crypted as well
[23:38] <nFxus> i would like to make the root / .. readonly.. to prolong the life of the ssd card.
[23:40] <nFxus> at the same time I would like to use Lucid so that I am 1up .. I have to install the ssd and ship to datacenter. so this has to be prep'ed so to speak
[23:40] <nFxus> anyone have idea's... did I get some gears turning
[23:41] <nFxus> btw.. I have looked at ALL kinds of tut's out there. So I have readme knowlage but.. human knowlage is better if anyone whats to chip in
[23:42] <espen77> guest session crashing for anyine else if you try to start it from "quit" menu(top right corner)?