| Hillshum | My machine hangs on gdm login in alpha 3. I just report this as a bug right? | 00:00 |
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| rww | Hillshum: does it hang right after you press the enter key to log in? | 00:02 |
| Hillshum | rww: No, it makes it through most of the sound, then repeats the last second or so a few times, then stops | 00:02 |
| Hillshum | What package should I file a bug against? | 00:05 |
| rww | Hillshum: which sound? the one you get when gdm starts (before login) or the one when gnome starts (after login)? | 00:05 |
| Hillshum | rww: The longer one that plays after login | 00:06 |
| rww | hmm, so it's probably not gdm itself | 00:06 |
| rww | Hillshum: I'm not sure. The #ubuntu-bugs people might know | 00:09 |
| wirechief | anyone able to get lucid-netbook-i386.iso to boot from a usb on a netbook | 00:15 |
| Hillshum | I got it to boot on a normal laptop | 00:17 |
| wirechief | Hillshum ok. | 00:18 |
| wirechief | i tried my netbook but it just moves right past it on to grub (have lunix already installed) | 00:19 |
| wirechief | tried using startup disk creator on lucid desktop but it balks, im not able to get it to work no matter what i do to the stick. | 00:20 |
| wirechief | i know the lucid usb startup works though i used it to make a lucid 10.4 startup. | 00:21 |
| wirechief | oh well if i get really desperate i guess i can put it on a cd later. | 00:21 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | wirechief, your BIOS boot sequence needs to br modified to look at the USB drive first , usually listed as removeable device | 00:27 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | wirechief, i assume you did that already , but i have to mention the obvious | 00:28 |
| booboo | hey guys... i have noticed something unusual with lucid that has never happened with any version in the past...on a sugle hard drive system it installs fine no issues...however on my dual hard drive system...the consistently asks whch drive I want the bootloader to be installed with..and no matter which I choose it fails...I brought this up once before | 00:29 |
| booboo | why is it even asking me? and why doesnt it install to the drive that ubuntu is being installed on? | 00:29 |
| Jordan_U | booboo, I think the fact that it asks has been fixed, what error does it give when it fails? | 00:30 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, none it just doesnt boot at all | 00:31 |
| Jordan_U | booboo, What happens when you try to boot? | 00:31 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, gets to grub menu...choose lucid blank screen | 00:31 |
| Hillshum | rww: Should I pour over the logs left after the hang? | 00:31 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, or no menu at all and black screen | 00:32 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, i am reinstalling lucid now on that system but it hasne gotten to that choice area yet | 00:32 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, I will have to burn a new disk then if that has been fixed | 00:33 |
| wirechief | BluesKaj-Laptop: nope thats not my issue, i have two distros already installed and working on that netbook but thanks for asking. | 00:34 |
| Jordan_U | booboo, I'm not sure if the fix is in an alpha yet. | 00:34 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | wirechief, yeah, I should have read your earlier mention about the problematic stick | 00:35 |
| Jordan_U | booboo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/base-installer/+bug/526422 ( when launchpad comes back up ) | 00:35 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, ah ok | 00:35 |
| wirechief | BluesKaj-Laptop: although i am curious why the lucid install is not able to create a bootable usb from the one i was using. | 00:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 526422 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Grub installer asks too many questions to the user" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 00:35 |
| wirechief | BluesKaj-Laptop: i am sure that sdf and sdf1 are clean and formatted fat32, its a 4gb stick and it had 9.10 remix on it (not anymore) | 00:36 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, well apparenlty it has installed this time...installed lucid to one driver...karmic to the other...boot failed...reinstall lucid and it boots now...interesting | 00:36 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, oh you know what ...i think that choice area comes with dist upgrade | 00:37 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, so I will do that now and see if it asks again. | 00:37 |
| wirechief | BluesKaj-Laptop: i am not sure if a simple dd of the iso to the stick would work either (havent tried unetbooten) | 00:38 |
| booboo | be back after that :) if it fails i will try another distribution on that disk and leave karmic on the other | 00:38 |
| Jordan_U | booboo, On upgrades you *should* be asked what drive to install grub to because in karmic the drives were stored like "/dev/sda", which can change if you add / remove drives. In lucid /dev/disk/-by-id/ will be used instead but user input is required for the transition if it's non-trivial. | 00:40 |
| booboo | Jordan_U, well this isnt an upgrade to lucid...karmic has it';s own drive as does lucid | 00:42 |
| booboo | yet it still asks or suspect it will with the updates | 00:43 |
| faileas | rather newbieish question, but if i install the alpha, it should eventually update itself to the release version, right? | 00:47 |
| rww | faileas: yes | 00:47 |
| crimsun | it would be better if you were more proactive about updating, but yes. | 00:47 |
| faileas | oh, i will be ;p | 00:47 |
| wgrant | Does anybody else have what looks a lot like Tamil has some of the category descriptions in Software Centre? | 00:48 |
| wgrant | s/has/as/ | 00:48 |
| crimsun | wgrant: confirmed | 00:49 |
| wgrant | Ah, good, so I'm not actually crazy. | 00:50 |
| crimsun | I wouldn't go that far for myself :-) | 00:50 |
| wgrant | I wonder if it's a test of some kind. | 00:50 |
| vbabiy | Hey guys is there a way to get flash working in 10.04 | 00:58 |
| vbabiy | I have not flash in firefox or chrome after the upgrade to 10.04 | 00:58 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | wirechief, this is the procedure i followed to install with a USB drive , http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-from-usb-stick.html | 00:58 |
| mjs72311 | Hey guys.. Is the Dust theme broken for other people after the last few days updates? | 01:05 |
| Steil | usb drives not automounting anymore......is this due to removal of HAL? | 01:07 |
| mjs72311 | There has been news that Lucid supports iPhone now.. Trying to figure this out | 01:09 |
| booboo | vbabiy, did you try reinstalling ubuntu-restricted-extras? | 01:13 |
| vbabiy | booboo, yeah that fix it | 01:13 |
| booboo | cool :) | 01:13 |
| vbabiy | my last issue is the 10.04 broke the mike on the Dell xps 1530 | 01:14 |
| vbabiy | mic | 01:14 |
| itshare | hi all. other then video card type+lucidy alpha 3, what other details are needed/could be provided in bugs about black screen of nothingness? (screen goes black after selecting the language) | 01:24 |
| itshare | i don't see any obviuos bugs on this subject :/ | 01:24 |
| Ian_Corne | Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 01:25 |
| Ian_Corne | anyone an idea? | 01:25 |
| itshare | Ian_Corne: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk&searchon=names&suite=lucid§ion=all its not in lucid. | 01:27 |
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| * itshare gets trapped in the f6 menu | 01:29 | |
| Ian_Corne | weird?? | 01:31 |
| itshare | Ian_Corne: that its removed? | 01:31 |
| DanaG | wait... a grub bug is a bug in nouveau drivers? | 01:35 |
| DanaG | that makes absolutely no sense. | 01:35 |
| DanaG | s/a grub bug/that grub bug/ | 01:35 |
| itshare | is there a way to boot up disabling aiglx in xorg? | 01:39 |
| DanaG | interesting... gnome-settings-daemon now understands touchpad-toggle hotkey. | 01:46 |
| DanaG | Unfortunately, the only thing notify-osd displays is: | 01:46 |
| DanaG | ... well, something that looks like a smudgy vertical ellipsis. | 01:46 |
| DanaG | .... -- but 4 rows, instead of 4 columns. | 01:47 |
| DanaG | loading icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' not present in theme' | 01:48 |
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| belak | Ok, plymouth is very broken with official nvidia drivers | 02:09 |
| belak | It looked great with nouveau | 02:09 |
| bjsnider | not merely broken but very much so | 02:09 |
| belak | Yeah | 02:09 |
| DanaG | http://www.techeye.net/software/amd-and-nvidia-bitchfight-over-open-source-support | 02:09 |
| DanaG | nice headline. | 02:09 |
| DanaG | old news, though. | 02:09 |
| bjsnider | nvidia does not produce a kms driver | 02:09 |
| belak | Is there a way to remove it without causing issues? | 02:09 |
| bjsnider | so plymouth is useless | 02:10 |
| belak | bjsnider, yeah, I know... I'm dual booting gentoo as well | 02:10 |
| bjsnider | gentoo? | 02:10 |
| bjsnider | never heard of it | 02:10 |
| belak | bjsnider, the opposite of ubuntu | 02:10 |
| bjsnider | the opposite | 02:11 |
| belak | You compile everything | 02:11 |
| belak | Nothing works without configuring... for the most part | 02:11 |
| belak | And you can choose what support to compile in | 02:11 |
| bjsnider | so, it doesn't work, has no user participation, has moronic devs, and years in between releases i guess | 02:11 |
| belak | bjsnider, what does? | 02:11 |
| belak | gentoo? | 02:11 |
| bjsnider | if it's the opposite of ubuntu | 02:11 |
| belak | Well, not quite | 02:12 |
| belak | It works if you set it up right. It has plenty of user participation. It's devs, while they do bicker, are quite smart, and it's a rolling release. | 02:13 |
| DanaG | The only thing I see as "not user participation" is notify-osd. | 02:13 |
| bjsnider | i don't think "it works" should need a qualifier | 02:13 |
| DanaG | Plenty of flames have flown around about that one. | 02:13 |
| belak | bjsnider, well, if you want it set up right, it's fine with a qualifier | 02:14 |
| belak | Anyway, how can I get rid of plymouth? | 02:14 |
| bjsnider | that needed a qualifier too | 02:14 |
| belak | Ok, ok | 02:14 |
| belak | Enough | 02:14 |
| belak | Removing plymouth doesn't break anything? | 02:15 |
| bjsnider | just uninstall the plymouth package | 02:15 |
| belak | Ok | 02:15 |
| belak | I'm used to uninstalling something and having something else break in ubuntu. | 02:15 |
| belak | This is the most stable ubuntu alpha I've used in a long time. | 02:15 |
| espen77 | plymouth gives a nice looking password prompt when u have encrypted root, to bad there is no oskb like onBoard for it. | 02:18 |
| bjsnider | DanaG, it looks like bridgman says that in 2 or 3 months the radeon driver will have full 2d and 3d support | 02:29 |
| DanaG | Actually, it already is pretty durn close. | 02:30 |
| DanaG | The last big blocker for me is that Radeon KMS eats watts like crazy. | 02:30 |
| bjsnider | DanaG, haven't they been saying 2 or 3 months for 2 or 3 years? | 02:39 |
| DanaG | naw, I think it's been "a few months until" different things. | 02:39 |
| DanaG | there was gradual development of 2d and 3d and all that. | 02:39 |
| DanaG | As it is, even Nexuiz, with GLSL enabled, works pretty dang well. | 02:39 |
| DanaG | Only works well under KMS, though. | 02:40 |
| DSpair | Hiya gang. | 02:46 |
| DSpair | Anyone know how to resolve a problem where the EDID of my monitor is no always detected properly? I have an ATI Radeon HD 3200 on my motherboard and a 22" LCD using the VGA connector via a KVM and the resolution doesn't always come up right. | 02:47 |
| wirechief | DSpair if you use the DVI cable it should make things work better than the vga cable connected, i had trouble with detection on my emachine until i used one. | 02:49 |
| DSpair | wirechief: Yes, but that would preclude using the KVM. | 02:49 |
| DSpair | Second issue. How do I get to the GRUB menu when booting up in order to change the boot command line? | 02:50 |
| arand | DSpair: hold down shift | 02:50 |
| wirechief | hit letter e then navigate to the section you want | 02:50 |
| DSpair | arand: When is says "GRUB loading"? Hit shift? | 02:50 |
| wirechief | i wait until the screen i complete then hit e | 02:51 |
| arand | DSpair: Think you can hold it down earlier | 02:51 |
| wirechief | havent used shift to edit any. | 02:51 |
| DSpair | wirechief: I don't get a menu at all. It goes straight from "GRUB loading" to the Ubuntu splash screen. | 02:51 |
| arand | shift to get to the menu, e to edit entries | 02:52 |
| DSpair | I'm trying to get more details on a bug I filed about LVM and the document I was sent requires me to modify the boot command. | 02:52 |
| DSpair | arand: Thanks much! | 02:52 |
| wirechief | hmm thats not right, its not giving you a chance to even test the media | 02:52 |
| DSpair | BBIAB. Gonna try that. | 02:52 |
| DSpair | wirechief: Not booting from the CD. After install. | 02:52 |
| DSpair | Anyhow, BRB | 02:53 |
| DSpair | OK, Booting now. | 02:55 |
| DSpair | arand: Thanks for the "SHIFT" key tip. That worked perfectly. | 02:56 |
| DSpair | Well, the debugging doc that the team sent me doesn't work on Lucid. | 03:08 |
| mjs72311 | Hey guys, anyone else having issues with the Dust Theme after yesterday's update? | 03:11 |
| DSpair | mjs72311: Nope. | 03:11 |
| DSpair | Oh, wait. I don't use Dust. | 03:11 |
| DSpair | :) | 03:12 |
| mjs72311 | lol | 03:12 |
| mjs72311 | Check the dust theme, see if the left and right sides are all foobar'ed | 03:12 |
| DSpair | Anyone know how to set the default boot option in GRUB on Lucid? There's no menu.lst that I can find. | 03:12 |
| mjs72311 | DSpair, Yea, I found it the other day, 2 sec.. | 03:12 |
| DSpair | mjs72311: Thanks much! | 03:13 |
| mjs72311 | you're using Grub2, right? | 03:13 |
| DSpair | Whatever the default is on Lucid | 03:13 |
| mjs72311 | 2 sec, I need to re-find the setting | 03:15 |
| DSpair | mjs72311: No worries. I appreciate the help. I searched around for some time earlier without much luck. | 03:15 |
| mjs72311 | ok.. | 03:16 |
| mjs72311 | from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#grub (/etc/default/grub) | 03:17 |
| mjs72311 | edit the file /etc/default/grub | 03:17 |
| mjs72311 | and change the line: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT=saved | 03:17 |
| mjs72311 | then it will just remember the last selection you choose | 03:18 |
| DSpair | Thanks! | 03:18 |
| mjs72311 | then you need to run a command to compile the changes in to the real grub | 03:18 |
| mjs72311 | thats the command: update-grub | 03:18 |
| mjs72311 | grub2 is so confusing compare to the old one.. | 03:19 |
| arand | To some extent, tis all apples and oranges to some extent... | 03:20 |
| teethdood | so I installed KDE 4.4 yet again, tried to like it, could not stand it :( | 03:22 |
| DSpair | arand: But there is something to be said for consistency. | 03:22 |
| DSpair | Does anyone know how to determine start order for upstart jobs? | 03:24 |
| DSpair | I want to set up a job to mount an LVM2 volume just before gdm starts. | 03:24 |
| mjs72311 | I always setup my mounts in fstab, is that too late? | 03:25 |
| DSpair | mjs72311: Problem is that LVM2 is not getting mounted properly by fstab and is hanging up the boot. | 03:25 |
| DSpair | If I set "noauto" on the home dir, I can mount it manually after boot just fine. | 03:25 |
| mjs72311 | ick, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject tho. :-P | 03:26 |
| joppan_ | how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp | 03:29 |
| joppan_ | how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp | 03:30 |
| rww | sudo do-release-upgrade -d | 03:31 |
| rww | you can't use desktop livecds to upgrade. | 03:31 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, you can do it thru the terminal sudo do-release-upgraqde -d | 03:32 |
| BluesKaj | er upgrade | 03:32 |
| joppan_ | can i use the downloaded source while after running the command ..else i will to downlaod 678M which will take 21 hours with my connection | 03:32 |
| teethdood | what;s the diff between "sudo update-manager -d" and "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"? | 03:32 |
| rww | teethdood: the first is graphical, the second is terminal-based | 03:33 |
| rww | joppan_: not if it's a livecd, no | 03:33 |
| BluesKaj | and update-manager is flaky | 03:33 |
| joppan_ | k | 03:33 |
| joppan_ | rww: k | 03:34 |
| joppan_ | rww: so only i can do a fresh install rite | 03:34 |
| joppan_ | will ahve to wait till 29th april for final release of 10.04 lucid lynx rite | 03:34 |
| rww | joppan_: what's the name of the iso file you downloaded? | 03:34 |
| joppan_ | rww: lucid-desktoplucid-desktop-i386.iso | 03:36 |
| joppan_ | rww: lucid-desktop-i386.iso | 03:36 |
| rww | joppan_: you could use that ISO to do a fresh install of lucid. You can't use it to upgrade from 9.10 to lucid. | 03:36 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, open the terminal and do what rww and i have already told you to do, sudo do release-upgrade -d | 03:36 |
| nigelb | can someone on lucid help me test if a bug fix upstream has made it in? | 03:37 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, that command will upgrade your 9.10 to 10.04 | 03:37 |
| nigelb | try to add http://noagenda.podshow.com/feed as a podcast feed and let me know if rhythmbox parses in properly | 03:37 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: but my conn speed is very low 10KB/s ...it took 20.5 hours to downlod the iso ... | 03:38 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: Checking for a new ubuntu release | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Done Upgrade tool signature | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Done Upgrade tools 9s | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Done downloading | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | extracting 'lucid.tar.gz' | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | authenticate 'lucid.tar.gz' against 'lucid.tar.gz.gpg' | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Reading cache | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Checking package manager | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Reading package lists: Done | 03:39 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, you won't be downloading files that are that large if you just upgrade | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Reading state information: Done | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Reading state information: Done | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | Reading state information: Done | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: this is what is current state | 03:39 |
| nigelb | !pastebin | joppan_ | 03:39 |
| ubottu | joppan_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 03:39 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: k | 03:40 |
| rww | BluesKaj: upgrading from karmic to lucid? yes you would. | 03:40 |
| BluesKaj | rww, sssshhhh | 03:40 |
| arand | Upgrading requires ~4GB of space... | 03:41 |
| BluesKaj | he can't use the iso unless he clean installs | 03:41 |
| BluesKaj | he could install to / and the use the manual partition option ...it will save his default apps and config settings | 03:42 |
| BluesKaj | and config settings for apps that need reinstalling | 03:42 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, do understand what i just wrote ? | 03:44 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: hello i have partion for / ,/boot,/home,/var,/tmp,swap now how to preserve /home ....but am not able to know which /dev/sdax is home | 03:44 |
| rww | "You have to download a total of 623M. This download will take about 13 minutes with your connection." :S | 03:44 |
| mjs72311 | My TV comes tomorrow, and it'll be running Ubuntu most of the time to watch movies. :-D | 03:45 |
| rww | joppan_: If you type "mount" in your Karmic's terminal, it should have a line that says "/dev/sdxy on /home" | 03:45 |
| teethdood | speaking of watching movies in ubuntu, 1080P movies stutter bad, while win xp runs them just fine (intel GMA graphics) | 03:46 |
| BluesKaj | joppan_, use the live cd and install to / , then use the manaul partition option , when the guide asks to format choose "no" , then proceed with the rest of the install | 03:47 |
| mjs72311 | teethdood, I assume you tried a few different players? | 03:47 |
| teethdood | mjs72311: totem, mplayer and vlc | 03:48 |
| mjs72311 | teethdood, if not.. I never had any issues with VLC in my experiance.. but I don't run alot of 1080p videos | 03:48 |
| mjs72311 | teethdood, Alright.. dunno what to tell ya then.. :) | 03:48 |
| mjs72311 | use a mac? :-D | 03:48 |
| mjs72311 | sorry, didn't mean to burn.. :-P | 03:48 |
| teethdood | mjs72311: heh. It might be because my TV is 720p and the movie is 1080p. downscaling issues? | 03:48 |
| mjs72311 | teethdood, I assume the downscaling happens in elsewhere.. what are you using to connect the PC to the TV? | 03:49 |
| teethdood | but the thing is win xp handles the same thing just fine. Pisses me off cuz I don't ever use xp | 03:50 |
| teethdood | except to sync my stupid iphone | 03:50 |
| teethdood | mjs72311: VGA out from laptop | 03:50 |
| mjs72311 | thats an analog signal.. | 03:51 |
| mjs72311 | I wouldn't think its downscaling | 03:52 |
| mjs72311 | probably just a lot to render for your pc | 03:52 |
| teethdood | the question remains, how come win xp renders it just fine? this on top of running antivirus etc | 03:53 |
| faileas | hmm. the plymouth bug is wierd. | 03:54 |
| faileas | it gets stuck on the load screen until you use another VT | 03:55 |
| joppan_ | rww: k | 03:55 |
| joppan_ | rww: /home on sda10 as per output from /etc/mtab | 03:56 |
| joppan_ | BluesKaj: k | 03:58 |
| joppan_ | i will do | 03:58 |
| un214 | anybody else find their network is gone after resume from hibernate? | 04:25 |
| DanaG | hmm, I find my network is gone after a failed resume and then a reboot. | 04:35 |
| DanaG | It makes remote connection a royal pain in the ... er, network card? | 04:35 |
| un214 | well I get it most of the time on success resume so I filed a bug | 04:39 |
| Jordan_U | DSpair, You should also set "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true" ( GRUB_DEFAULT=saved alone will only work until grub 1.98 final is packaged ) | 04:41 |
| mjs72311 | Anyone having any luck with Ubuntu and iPhone.. I see it all over the blogosphere. | 04:51 |
| mjs72311 | Not working for me | 04:51 |
| Steil | Hi guys, I'm having issues with network-manager-vpnc not wanting to connect to a vpn that requires a rootcert, any ideas? | 05:41 |
| espen77 | Steil: i think vpnc is the cisco vpn | 05:42 |
| Steil | espen77: yes | 05:42 |
| perscitus | What version of gnome will 10.04 have? | 05:42 |
| Jordan_U | perscitus, 2.30 | 05:42 |
| perscitus | oh good. no gnome-shell crap then | 05:43 |
| perscitus | gnome 3.0 and gnome-shell will be one giant leap (understatement) for gnome development | 05:44 |
| perscitus | backwards* | 05:44 |
| arand | perscitus: It will be easily installable for testing, but not default no. | 05:45 |
| espen77 | Steil: sorry, i havent any experience with vpn, nust know there is vpnc and openconnect for Cisco | 05:45 |
| arand | perscitus: All a matter of preference... | 05:46 |
| perscitus | arand, I would bet you on that | 05:46 |
| rww | !info gnome-shell lucid | 05:46 |
| Steil | espen77: thanks, yeah i can use the command line vpnc but i can't use the network-manager frontend | 05:46 |
| ubottu | gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.28.1~git20091125-1 (lucid), package size 445 kB, installed size 1596 kB | 05:46 |
| arand | perscitus: I quite like it, and with some finishing I'd say it's a viable replacement. | 05:48 |
| perscitus | arand, The moment gnome-shell becomes part of gnome, is there day i use kde. end of story. | 05:49 |
| perscitus | I'm probably not the only ones too | 05:49 |
| espen77 | Steil: you have both network-manager-{vpnc,vpnc-gnome} installed? | 05:49 |
| arand | perscitus: dito when kde4 came along, it's always going to be a rough start, and eveyone hates change anyways... | 05:50 |
| Steil | yes | 05:50 |
| Steil | i just need to know how to enable rootcertificate | 05:51 |
| perscitus | arand, except this change in gnome decrases usability | 05:51 |
| arand | perscitus: your opinion :) | 05:52 |
| perscitus | arand, wanna bet? | 05:53 |
| arand | perscitus: safe bet, I know my opinion :) But yes, of course loads of people are going to hate it, there's no denying that, and in the first releases it might not be useful at all, but I still think the overall direction of it is not inherently bad. | 05:55 |
| perscitus | arand, I just tried gnome-shell and i stand by my original opinion | 06:07 |
| perscitus | arand, and there is difference between kde 3 -> 4 and gnome 2 to 3 | 06:11 |
| arand | perscitus: Also, gnomes will be gnomes, they make a lot of (in many's opinion) stupid decisions and changes, but I've come to the conclusion that if I'm gonna care about every little thing they do wrong I will sooner or later get a nervous breakdown, there is always kde, openbox, gnome-legacy, etc. If gnome3 does in the end turn out to be crap, well so be it, it's gnome wasting time, not me. | 06:21 |
| espen77 | there is allways mwm if gnome3 is to bad :P (http://xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-tomp.gif) | 06:36 |
| perscitus | arand, KDE is professional | 06:37 |
| saxin | I'm so happy with Lucid Lynx, can't wait for it to be relased \o/ | 07:00 |
| ZykoticK9 | saxin, 59 days and counting ;) | 07:03 |
| saxin | Nice :) | 07:04 |
| kermiac | hey, can anyone confirm ALT + "t" opening a terminal window is default/ expected behaviour in lucid? | 07:08 |
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| kermiac | or where I could find out? | 07:09 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, alt+t does open a terminal on my gnome+compiz 'somewhat' default Lucid | 07:12 |
| kermiac | ty ZykoticK9 :) | 07:13 |
| kermiac | ZykoticK9: do you happen to have ati graphics? | 07:15 |
| arand | kermiac: I thought it was ctrl+alt+t? | 07:16 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, I'm sorry - but NO way. I avoid ati like the plague. | 07:16 |
| arand | or did it chanfe? | 07:16 |
| kermiac | ZykoticK9: I don't blame you - wise decision :) | 07:17 |
| ZykoticK9 | arand, kermiac ctrl+alt+t does nothing here? | 07:17 |
| kermiac | arand: that's what I was wondering too | 07:17 |
| kermiac | would it be in metacity changelogs maybe? | 07:17 |
| kermiac | or does some other package handle default shortcut keys? | 07:18 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, if you are using gnome, compiz or metacity makes no difference on my system - alt+t opens a terminal either way | 07:21 |
| kermiac | hmm... http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/metacity/metacity_2.28.1-0ubuntu2/changelog says CTRL+ALT+T | 07:21 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, System / Prefs / Keyboard Shortcuts -- under Desktop find Open a terminal window -- mine shows Alt+T | 07:23 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, my system was last updated 7 hrs ago - but i do have some updates, i'll see if it's the same after | 07:25 |
| kermiac | ZykoticK9: yes, mine says ALT+T too | 07:27 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, no change after updates (but can't log out right now so not really a good test). Does the alt+t work on your system? | 07:29 |
| kermiac | I just finished doing updates now & rebooted but no change | 07:30 |
| kermiac | yes, ALT+T works (and is set in keyboard shortcuts) on my lucid box | 07:30 |
| kermiac | CTRL+ALT+T does nothing - still looking into exactly what package handles the keyboard shortcuts | 07:31 |
| * kermiac is confused | 07:32 | |
| vish | the keyboard shortcuts has is mapped as ctrl+alt+t , but that does nothing , only alt+t opens a terminal | 07:35 |
| vish | s/is/it | 07:36 |
| ZykoticK9 | in USC i like the "Provided by Ubuntu", with other repos listed beneath it's a cool feature really. is there a way to add PPAs to this list as well? side note: the inability to get more information about a package from within USC is a major failing of this interface right now. | 07:50 |
| zniavre | does dgm2setup works on Lucid? | 07:57 |
| Ryan1 | I have Lucid installed on a laptop and the screen goes blank while booting. I don't think it boots at all. How can I resolve this? | 08:18 |
| Ryan1 | The displays turns off completely, the power/num lock/touchpad lights stay on and the HDD activity light stays off | 08:20 |
| twb | I'm rolling a Lucid-based kiosk system, with a cut-down X session. Which (if any) notification-daemon implementations will work without a WM that implements the FDO systray? | 08:21 |
| twb | Never mind, I can just use Ratpoison's :echo command with a really big font. Quick and dirty and fugly. Whee! | 08:27 |
| kjeldahl | FWIW, I'm experiencing serious trouble with Thunderbird on a dual screen setup with compositing active. Turning off compositing seems to get Thunderbird back to normal. Symptom is missing paint events/updates. | 08:29 |
| espen77 | Ryan1: try <ctrl><alt><f1> and then <ctrl><alt><f7> or try holdin shift when the grub line shows and choose another kernel | 08:38 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bom d|a | 08:41 |
| Ryan1 | Ctrl + Alt + F1 didn't do anything, but I fixed it by booting to a root console and installing updates | 08:53 |
| Ryan1 | I didn't have any other kernels because it was installed from alpha 3 | 08:54 |
| kermiac | ZykoticK9: you still around? | 08:56 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, ya, what's up? | 08:56 |
| kermiac | can you please "me too" bug 529852? | 08:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 529852 in compiz "<Alt>T opens up terminal, even though I haven't assigned it anywhere" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529852 | 08:56 |
| ZykoticK9 | kermiac, i'm affraid i don't see a bug there - i see working as designed - it's set in my keyboard preferences to open a terminal, and it does. | 08:58 |
| kermiac | ok nvm... it is actually a bug. CTRL+ALT+T should open terminal, not ALT+T... but that's ok | 08:59 |
| kermiac | compiz is doing weird things to metacity keybindings | 08:59 |
| ZykoticK9 | i could certainly see there being overlaps between the two | 09:00 |
| kermiac | ok, fair enough... np ZykoticK9 :) | 09:00 |
| meatbun | i am on ubuntu 9.04 was using 8.x, after this , transimssion sucks. did htye put an old version in there? | 09:04 |
| meatbun | i dont have that activity chart with all those blue blocks? http://www.transmissionbt.com/help/gtk/1.5x/gfx/inspector.jpg | 09:04 |
| ZykoticK9 | meatbun, if you are using 9.04 repeat your question in Ubuntu support channel #ubuntu (this channel is for Lucid 10.04 support) | 09:05 |
| meatbun | ZykoticK9: i did no one knows | 09:06 |
| meatbun | developers should keep in mind when they upgrade the distro, they should keep the old app as is | 09:06 |
| rww | !info transmission-gtk hardy | 09:07 |
| rww | !info transmission-gtk karmic | 09:07 |
| ubottu | transmission-gtk (source: transmission): free, lightweight BitTorrent client (graphical interface). In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-0ubuntu6.1 (hardy), package size 244 kB, installed size 1020 kB | 09:07 |
| ubottu | transmission-gtk (source: transmission): lightweight BitTorrent client (GTK interface). In component main, is optional. Version 1.75-0ubuntu2.2 (karmic), package size 289 kB, installed size 2648 kB | 09:07 |
| meatbun | it happens to me quite often, every time, a new version of ubuntu comes out, an working existing app, no longer works!! | 09:07 |
| meatbun | i am frustrated!!!! | 09:07 |
| rww | I guess that's a "no". | 09:07 |
| meatbun | not just transmission, but tac plus and other apps | 09:07 |
| meatbun | and god know which was didn't work | 09:08 |
| meatbun | *fucking it*!!! | 09:09 |
| jussi01 | !wtf | meatbun | 09:09 |
| ubottu | meatbun: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 09:09 |
| rye | Has anybody here got a separate /home partition? If yes - do you experience random issue with "Waiting for /home [SM]" displayed in plymouth for quite some time and then it launches gdm w/o /home mounted? | 09:27 |
| Slik_ | hello cn anybody talk to me about ubuntu and eeepc ? | 09:47 |
| neil_d | I would like to try out 10.04.. how would I go about this? is there a minimal CD release? | 09:58 |
| rww | neil_d: define "minimal" | 09:59 |
| neil_d | rww: a small <100MB iso image that install ubuntu via the internet. | 09:59 |
| rww | neil_d: 32-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 64-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 10:00 |
| neil_d | rww: does that install 9.10 or 10.4? | 10:02 |
| rww | neil_d: 10.04 | 10:02 |
| rww | hence the "lucid" | 10:02 |
| neil_d | rww: great.. I was wondering what 'current' meant in the link. | 10:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. are universe packages allowed in ubuntu install cds these days? | 11:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm specificaly wondering if theres a chance usb-modeswitcher can be included | 11:08 |
| arand | Kamping_Kaiser: have you read the discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss ? | 11:10 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | arand: no. i don't follow ubuntu lists anymore. roughly howlong ago should i be looking in the archive? | 11:26 |
| arand | 01/03/10 10:17, but there seems to ahve been rpevious discussions which was taken up again. | 11:28 |
| arand | Kamping_Kaiser: So fairly new | 11:28 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | arand: thanks, I'll check the archive :) | 11:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | are you indicating the month is january or march? | 11:30 |
| arand | Kamping_Kaiser: summary It seems more prudent to me to simply document that if your card isn't | 11:30 |
| arand | > supported by Lucid OOTB, you may install the unsupported usb-modeswitch | 11:30 |
| arand | > package from universe. Then work on having that be the sole supported | 11:30 |
| arand | > option for lucid+1 | 11:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ta. shame it'll miss the lts :( guess we'll be installing it after install for the next few years | 11:31 |
| arand | Kamping_Kaiser: hrm, more spammy then intended ↑ But that kind of seems to be the gist of it jaunuary as in yesterday, yes. Hence why I remebered it clearly ;) | 11:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | cheers. found it in the archive :) | 11:33 |
| thedoor | hiiii :) | 11:41 |
| thedoor | im updating my 9.10 to 10.04 anyone have problem with this? | 11:41 |
| BUGabundo_remote | several | 11:50 |
| Yaroze | display turning completely WHITE in recovery mode, latest alpha.. what could cause that? | 11:51 |
| Yaroze | computer seems to bootup just fine | 11:51 |
| wirechief | anyone prefer netbootin over usb-creator besides myself ? | 12:03 |
| wirechief | usb-creator seems not to work very well | 12:04 |
| Yaroze | wirechief: i have never managed to make a bootable usbstick with usb creator | 12:15 |
| wirechief | Yaroze sounds like its broken in some manner. I was debating filing a bug but not sure, sometimes sticks get ugly, i have used mkidosfs to clear the mbr and sdb1 to no avail. | 12:17 |
| wirechief | then tried unetbootin and after reformating and doing the mkidosfs it worked. im not impressed. | 12:18 |
| Yaroze | http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested | 12:19 |
| wirechief | Yaroze why are you putting up a binary / | 12:21 |
| wirechief | ? | 12:21 |
| Yaroze | wirechief: a binary what what now? | 12:21 |
| abe3k | hi guys, I was wondering how can I write text into the nautilus address bar, there was the pencil icon before to do that , but I can't see it now. | 12:39 |
| abe3k | uhm, anyone ? | 12:40 |
| abe3k | no one has any idea ? | 12:43 |
| pecisk | Anyone else have run into this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/461815 | 12:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 461815 in linux "9.10 rc livecd takes a long time to boot, showing errors" [Undecided,New] | 12:44 |
| pecisk | abe3k, press Ctrl+L | 12:45 |
| pdani | hi | 12:46 |
| abe3k | pecisk: is there any way to toggle it ? | 12:46 |
| pdani | i installed lucid, but i can't find sun-java6-* packages. where can i download them? | 12:46 |
| pecisk | abe3k, button? I'm not sure | 12:46 |
| pdani | i mean, for lucid | 12:46 |
| pecisk | pdani, use openjdk | 12:46 |
| pdani | i would prefer to use sun-java6, because hadoop packages depends on it | 12:47 |
| pecisk | I don't know why they are absent | 12:47 |
| abe3k | pecisk: not important to be a button, I just want to turn it on for a while | 12:47 |
| pecisk | maybe there are licensing problems with new Java owner Oracle | 12:47 |
| pecisk | abe3k, well press Ctrl+L, give path, press enter.... | 12:48 |
| ActionParsnip | pdani: could use the .bin at www.java.com works great for 64bit java | 12:48 |
| pdani | thx | 12:48 |
| ActionParsnip | yo yo yo | 12:54 |
| ActionParsnip | what's a halfop? | 12:55 |
| sidh | greetings gentlemen | 13:22 |
| rzx237 | is there someone succed installing lucid? bcause I just failed installing it in virtualbox | 13:36 |
| Damascene | most of all did | 13:37 |
| Damascene | are you using Alpha 3? | 13:37 |
| rzx237 | Damascene: yes | 13:37 |
| Damascene | you should give more information on your problem so someone could help you | 13:40 |
| rzx237 | Damascene: after doing some setting and start installing 15%, then I got message: sorry ubiquity has closed unexpectedly... | 13:40 |
| Damascene | try to update before install | 13:40 |
| Damascene | at least ubiquity | 13:40 |
| rzx237 | so some package has been updated since alpha3? | 13:41 |
| Damascene | actually the daily update is about 30 mb | 13:42 |
| rzx237 | thanks, I will try it | 13:43 |
| sidh | i would like to know one thing : there is a known bug with karmic amd64 SMP kernel and virtualbox running windows guest extremely slow, so i upgraded to lucid and didn't get that problem anymore, to day i distupgrade lucid , and i get again that problem ? | 14:03 |
| sidh | as the initial problem relates to the kernel, and this morning the dist-upgrade updated the kernel | 14:04 |
| sidh | i wonder if the karmic's kernel problem has been ported to lucid's | 14:04 |
| sidh | http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5501 <= Here is the original problem | 14:06 |
| wirechief | sidh vbox 3.0.10 is old have you tried the most recent ? | 14:15 |
| sidh | 3.1.4r57640 <= i'm running this version | 14:18 |
| wirechief | sidh ok. | 14:20 |
| wirechief | what kernel on lucid now ? | 14:20 |
| genii | wirechief: According to my uname -r 2.6.32-14 | 14:23 |
| rww | -15 is out! ;P | 14:23 |
| wirechief | Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.32-14-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Sat Feb 20 05:38:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux is what i have on daily | 14:23 |
| wirechief | it changes quite often. | 14:24 |
| wirechief | rww i updated this morning, must of just been put in. | 14:25 |
| sidh | 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP | 14:26 |
| sidh | 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP Thu Feb 25 10:10:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 14:27 |
| sidh | sorry | 14:27 |
| wirechief | no need to be sorry, you might have discovered a bug, however these kernels are changing almost daily it seems. | 14:28 |
| wirechief | i have vbox 3.0.12 r54655 and am going to update that, i noticed that lucid is not fully supported by it with guest additions. | 14:30 |
| wirechief | maybe the newer one with a updated guest additions will provide better performance, however my guest is lucid not windows, is that xp or win7 your running in vm ? | 14:31 |
| wirechief | ah... W2k guest machine | 14:32 |
| wirechief | ok | 14:32 |
| wirechief | sidh are you using any boot cheats with lucid ? like nomodeset or disabling ipv6 ? | 14:35 |
| sidh | wirechief: no first of all i started with ubuntu karmic amd64 minimal iso (no need gnome stuff) | 14:38 |
| sidh | then i dist-upgraded to lucid | 14:39 |
| sidh | no cheats at all | 14:39 |
| setuid | Something broke again in the most-recent kernels | 15:09 |
| setuid | Now my CPU only goes to a max of 50% speed, even though it shows as being a 2.4Ghz proc | 15:09 |
| setuid | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies | 15:09 |
| setuid | 2401000 2400000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 | 15:09 |
| setuid | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq | 15:10 |
| setuid | 1200000 | 15:10 |
| setuid | Even when I force it by passing 'performance' to scaling_governor, it still only goes to 1.2Ghz | 15:10 |
| sidh | setuid: which kernel ? | 15:11 |
| setuid | This worked with 2.6.32-10, and fails with -13 and -15, and now when I go back to -10, it no longer works there either... so i think something else was installed, that is causing this (acpi changes?) | 15:11 |
| setuid | Nothing I can do, will get it past 1.2Ghz | 15:13 |
| ActionParsnip | yo yo yo | 15:20 |
| nemo | So. Just wondering. | 15:21 |
| nemo | If we manage another release of Hedgewars in, oh, the next two weeks | 15:21 |
| nemo | could it make it into Lucid? | 15:22 |
| nemo | is nice to minimise linux users complaining the game server is empty 'cause they are on old protocol version | 15:22 |
| ActionParsnip | nemo: it may get added or there may be a ppa with it | 15:22 |
| nemo | ActionParsnip: well. we do direct people to the ppa | 15:22 |
| nemo | but it only picks up a fraction of ubuntu users | 15:22 |
| nemo | basically the ones who hit the site directly instead of using package management | 15:23 |
| ActionParsnip | nemo: if you submit a bug stating the issues the new version solves it may get added faster | 15:23 |
| nemo | mm | 15:23 |
| gnomefreak | nemo: it will need a feature freeze exception unless it is just a security update. but you would need to file a bug on it (at least best way) | 15:23 |
| nemo | 'k | 15:23 |
| nemo | well. guess we'd better release in advance of Lucid then, since turnaround on that would presumably not be instantaneous :) | 15:24 |
| gnomefreak | nemo: what version is it you want in Lucid? | 15:25 |
| Yaroze | http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested | 15:25 |
| nemo | gnomefreak: next one ;) will probably be called 0.9.13 | 15:25 |
| nemo | gnomefreak: still in dev | 15:25 |
| nemo | but we might call a code freeze soon | 15:25 |
| * gnomefreak not sure if we are willing to take dev this late in the devcycle but someone from motu would know more. you can try asking in #ubuntu-motu | 15:27 | |
| setuid | sidh, any ideas? | 15:41 |
| setuid | I just killed off upowerd, and it seems to allow my manual scripts to set scaling to function... Is upowerd new in the last day or two's updates? | 15:41 |
| setuid | wait no, I take that back... it's still 1.2Ghz | 15:42 |
| nemo | gnomefreak: well. the main issue is ubuntu users who aren't on latest protocol basically can't play with anyone | 15:45 |
| nemo | gnomefreak: last release was in, on, November, since then protocol has changed quite a bit | 15:46 |
| nemo | well. they can play with other ubuntu users, but that's a fairly small percentage of the gamers :) | 15:46 |
| nemo | ... other ubuntu users who didn't switch to playdev | 15:46 |
| nemo | er | 15:46 |
| nemo | playdeb | 15:46 |
| gnomefreak | nemo: i have never used it or heard of it. motu would be able to give you a better idea. if code changes that backports would have to handle it for <Lucid | 15:47 |
| nemo | 'k | 15:49 |
| badp | Hello. "Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work." ← does that mean nvidia proprietary drivers are not available through the System/Administrator/Hardware Drivers menu? | 15:50 |
| charlie-tca | badp: not neccessarily. The hardware drivers install does not have to have the nvidia website installer | 16:01 |
| ActionParsnip | badp: add the nvidia ppa and install nvidia-glx-185 | 16:01 |
| badp | thanks, that was my only worry before making the jump :) | 16:02 |
| * Ng notes all the shiny new iphone related gubbins in lucid | 16:19 | |
| Ng | doesn't seem to appear in rhythmbox though | 16:19 |
| Ng | anyone else tried that stuff yet? | 16:20 |
| ActionParsnip | Ng: i use LXDE, so no | 16:24 |
| Ng | ActionParsnip: good to know :D | 16:24 |
| Ian_Corne | what are gubbins? | 16:48 |
| genii | Ian_Corne: Basically same idea as "little bits and pieces" | 16:58 |
| nFxus | how can i select a stronger key for encrypted drives durring install? the max in the list is 256.. is there a way to make a 4096? | 17:19 |
| nFxus | was dc'ed not sure if that posted a sec ago | 17:19 |
| nFxus | also. when installing dropbear to unlock via ssh. lucid doesnt seem to start it at boot time | 17:20 |
| onlyme | hello, i have a problem with my 10.04, i can't boot it | 17:26 |
| onlyme | i have an error with the "mountall" package... ;/ | 17:27 |
| onlyme | mount: mount point does not exist; mount: mount [....] terminated with status 32; mountall: filesystem could not be mounted | 17:28 |
| badp | if there are repository managers around -- the repos have broken packages right now | 17:30 |
| badp | just warning you. | 17:30 |
| badp | (and all attempting to upgrade to beta 3 right now) | 17:30 |
| badp | if I got my copy pasting right, server-xorg 1:7.5+1ubuntu11 depends on server-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic 2.6.32.15.16 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE) | 17:33 |
| charlie-tca | yes, there are some issues yet. that's why it is still alpha | 17:35 |
| * BUGabundo_remote checks for updates | 17:35 | |
| badp | I'm telling you what the issue is so you can fix them. That's why people test alphas | 17:36 |
| badp | *it | 17:36 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 17:36 |
| BUGabundo_remote | badp: alpha3 is sooo old right now | 17:36 |
| badp | BUGabundo_remote: indeed I think upgrade-manager -d is bringing me to the latest in the repos | 17:37 |
| BUGabundo_remote | correct | 17:37 |
| BUGabundo_remote | at least the one of yoru mirror | 17:37 |
| badp | good point | 17:37 |
| * badp switches to the default mirror | 17:37 | |
| badp | *master | 17:37 |
| badp | gah, I was already using that. | 17:38 |
| ZykoticK9 | badp, just an fyi, my system is fully uptodate and i see the two packages you mentioned greyed out in my Update Manager list | 17:39 |
| badp | that's because of linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE) | 17:40 |
| BUGabundo_remote | just leave it be | 17:41 |
| BUGabundo_remote | prob not build yet | 17:41 |
| BUGabundo_remote | or failed to build | 17:41 |
| BUGabundo_remote | X team knows about it | 17:41 |
| badp | yeah, it's just the first time I hit a broken repository snapshot during the upgrade progress itself :) | 17:41 |
| badp | I guess I was lucky the other times | 17:42 |
| * charlie-tca forgot to say what BUGabundo_remote said, but I was thinking it... | 17:43 | |
| badp | yeah, this kind of stuff does tend to resolve itself shortly. I just hoped it would resolve itself faster if I told you <.< | 17:44 |
| badp | ah well. sorry. | 17:44 |
| BUGabundo_remote | np | 17:45 |
| BUGabundo_remote | it happens | 17:45 |
| BUGabundo_remote | thanks for the heads up | 17:45 |
| DasEi | onlyme: have another os or a live cd to acces that sytem ? | 17:46 |
| onlyme | im on a live cd right now | 17:47 |
| DasEi | same machine , onlyme ? | 17:47 |
| onlyme | 'cos i can't login...i get that message, and the system get stuck | 17:47 |
| onlyme | yes, the same machine | 17:47 |
| DasEi | one hardrive only ? | 17:47 |
| ZykoticK9 | sidh, i'm getting the same slow VMs in VBox with most recent updates, did you find any solution/bug to the issue? | 17:47 |
| DasEi | one hardrive only ? onlyme | 17:48 |
| onlyme | yep, only one | 17:48 |
| DasEi | onlyme: open a terminal .. | 17:48 |
| DasEi | onlyme: sudo -s | 17:49 |
| onlyme | yes... | 17:49 |
| DasEi | onlyme: mkdir /media/root | 17:49 |
| onlyme | done | 17:49 |
| DasEi | onlyme: mount /dev/sda1 /media/root | 17:49 |
| DasEi | onlyme: chroot /media/root | 17:50 |
| DasEi | onlyme: ls << is this your harddrive ? | 17:50 |
| onlyme | yes | 17:50 |
| DasEi | onlyme: cd /etc | 17:50 |
| DasEi | onlyme: nano stab | 17:50 |
| DasEi | oops | 17:51 |
| DasEi | nano fstab | 17:51 |
| badp | also, scilab-bin 5.2.1-3 is unavailable | 17:51 |
| onlyme | yes... | 17:51 |
| DasEi | onlyme: you know how to read fstab ? | 17:51 |
| nFxus | can sda2_crypt be renamed after install | 17:52 |
| onlyme | yes | 17:52 |
| DasEi | onlyme: or can you remember which was the partition it halted on ? | 17:52 |
| onlyme | it doesn't say... | 17:52 |
| DasEi | onlyme: unless a custom setup, least will have / (root) and swap | 17:53 |
| DasEi | onlyme: open a second tab in terminal of live cd | 17:53 |
| DasEi | sudo blkid | 17:53 |
| onlyme | i have the / , swap , proc , windows, and 2 for external hd's, but they are commented | 17:53 |
| onlyme | all the UUID's, are correct | 17:54 |
| onlyme | already check that | 17:54 |
| DasEi | onlyme: just for debugging, comment win and proc, too | 17:54 |
| DasEi | 2 lines are not to much, copy them in here ? | 17:54 |
| DasEi | too* | 17:55 |
| onlyme | http://pastebin.com/8ciER54a | 17:56 |
| onlyme | that's my fstab and UUID's | 17:56 |
| BUGabundo_remote | time to move $HOME. cu later | 17:57 |
| onlyme | btw, is it normal to have fstab.pre-ntfs-config on the /etc ? | 17:57 |
| onlyme | could it be something wrong in the mtab file as well? | 17:58 |
| DasEi | onlyme: line 27 following, three bad lines /scd0 | 18:00 |
| onlyme | commented them all | 18:01 |
| onlyme | will try to boot it now...be right back | 18:04 |
| DasEi | onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err | 18:04 |
| o_portista17 | DasEi, im the "onlyme" | 18:12 |
| DasEi | o_portista17: ic | 18:12 |
| DasEi | onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err | 18:12 |
| o_portista17 | i've commented all, except the linux, and i have the same error | 18:12 |
| o_portista17 | i have it like that | 18:14 |
| o_portista17 | only linux and swap | 18:14 |
| o_portista17 | all the rest is commented | 18:14 |
| DasEi | o_portista17: same again, let's look at syslog | 18:15 |
| DasEi | o_portista17: sudo -s | 18:15 |
| DasEi | o_portista17: mkdir /media/root | 18:15 |
| DasEi | mount /dev/sda1 /media/root | 18:15 |
| DasEi | chroot /media/root | 18:16 |
| o_portista17 | yes... | 18:16 |
| DasEi | cd /var/log/ | 18:16 |
| DasEi | nano syslog | 18:16 |
| o_portista17 | i have nothing from today | 18:17 |
| DasEi | sure, couldn't get past fstab | 18:22 |
| DasEi | my bad | 18:22 |
| DasEi | close nano (ctrl-x) | 18:23 |
| DasEi | cd | 18:23 |
| DasEi | cd /etc | 18:23 |
| DasEi | nano fstab, paste it again, o_portista17 | 18:24 |
| o_portista17 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/387150/ | 18:24 |
| DasEi | I havent checked the uuids by numbers, least cd is still wrong, ","missing and space to much before auto, but just also uncomment, not needed to boot, looks right to me | 18:28 |
| DasEi | it is : | 18:28 |
| DasEi | /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 auto user,noauto,exec 0 0 | 18:28 |
| DasEi | should read : /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto (or /dev/scd0), just also comment it | 18:29 |
| DasEi | also look if /media/cdrom0 exists (as dir) | 18:30 |
| o_portista17 | it does | 18:30 |
| o_portista17 | will try again, this time without the UUID's | 18:31 |
| DasEi | from an overlook, they seem right | 18:32 |
| mrmcq2u | Is anyone else having a problem with the dvd drive disappearing in nautilus when you put in a blank cd/dvd and then reappearing when you take it out? | 18:32 |
| DasEi | leave them, for grub2, o_portista17 | 18:32 |
| o_portista17 | ok, will give it another try | 18:33 |
| o_portista17 | brb | 18:33 |
| timboy | how do i get real java in lucid? | 18:34 |
| mrmcq2u | timboy - openjdk? | 18:34 |
| timboy | mrmcq2u, tried to use it but it doesn't work with the app I need to use... | 18:35 |
| mrmcq2u | What app is that? | 18:35 |
| timboy | preware | 18:35 |
| timboy | can I get real java in lucid or is java support going to die? | 18:37 |
| Ian_Corne | I was asking the same thing | 18:37 |
| Ian_Corne | but then went to bed :p | 18:37 |
| robin0800 | timboy: I think its in ubuntu restricted extras | 18:38 |
| mrmcq2u | timboy - openjdk is real java | 18:38 |
| mrmcq2u | openjdk is going to be the base for jdk7 | 18:38 |
| kulight | openjdk works very well | 18:38 |
| mrmcq2u | I think you should go to the #openjdk channel to ask whether preware should work or not | 18:39 |
| ZykoticK9 | timboy, I hear you can just use the bin from www.java.com and it's reported to work fine if you'd prefer | 18:40 |
| timboy | ZykoticK9, TXH! | 18:41 |
| kulight | how do you hide the join disconnected messages in empathy | 18:41 |
| duffydack | if openjdk is open, why is it "restricted"-extras | 18:41 |
| kulight | duffydack, good question | 18:41 |
| timboy | mrmcq2u, #openjdk isn't a channel | 18:42 |
| mrmcq2u | timboy its on oftc server | 18:43 |
| mrmcq2u | openjdk is not in restricted extras | 18:44 |
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| === Sorthum is now known as KB1JWQ | ||
| robin0800 | mrmcq2u: no I think java is | 18:47 |
| mrmcq2u | sunjava maybe | 18:47 |
| robin0800 | mrmcq2u: indeed | 18:48 |
| ZykoticK9 | robin0800, there is no sunjava in lucid however | 18:48 |
| robin0800 | ZykoticK9: I know like a lot of things no mp3 no irc client etc | 18:49 |
| === Jordan_U_ is now known as Jordan_U | ||
| ZykoticK9 | robin0800, those two things might not be installed by default but they are only and apt-get away - sunjava isn't no longer in the repo under lucid | 18:50 |
| ZykoticK9 | s/isn't/is | 18:51 |
| duffydack | ah, well installing ubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk, so i assumed....... | 18:52 |
| robin0800 | ubuntu restricted extras say "Java runtime environment" | 18:52 |
| pgoetz | I'm trying to debug some Samba problems in Lucid (having to do with mounting shares from outside the firewall) and notice the following weirdness: | 18:55 |
| pgoetz | root@data:/etc# netstat -tulpen | grep smb | 18:55 |
| pgoetz | tcp6 0 0 :::139 :::* LISTEN 0 151394 24303/smbd | 18:55 |
| pgoetz | tcp6 0 0 :::445 :::* LISTEN 0 151392 24303/smbd | 18:55 |
| pgoetz | Is this a samba bug or a netstat bug, it's not clear, but surely smbd shouldn't only be listening on IPv6! | 18:55 |
| mrmcq2u | anyone had lucid successfully mount blank(cd/dvd's) disks lately? | 18:57 |
| robin0800 | mrmcq2u: only this afternoon not this morning it was broke | 18:59 |
| om26er | Hey ubottu and all | 19:02 |
| mrmcq2u | robin0800 - been broke here for a few days | 19:05 |
| om26er | any one able to start gwibber? | 19:06 |
| mrmcq2u | nope | 19:06 |
| alex_mayorga | mrmcq2u: Bug #519557 maybe? | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 519557 in gwibber "gwibber-service crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519557 | 19:15 |
| badp | Does Lucid replace usplash with plymouth? | 19:19 |
| JoshuaL | badp, iirc yes | 19:22 |
| Yaroze | http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested | 19:26 |
| kevin009 | can we remove pulseaudio from 10.4, or will it break the audio controls like in 9.10? | 19:27 |
| kevin009 | this is why I still use 9.04 | 19:27 |
| Yaroze | kevin009: there is a way to remove pulseaudio from 9.10 by replacing bits from 9.04 | 19:28 |
| kevin009 | will we still have to do that in 10.04 though? PA causes too much latency for my liking | 19:29 |
| Yaroze | kevin009: yeh i think so.. im running the xfce mixer here instead of gnomes atm | 19:32 |
| Yaroze | i wish they would stop forcing people to use PA..nobody wants it | 19:33 |
| nemo | heh | 19:33 |
| badp | except those who do | 19:33 |
| nemo | Yaroze: some people do | 19:33 |
| kevin009 | yes it should be optional. that would eliminate all of the angry ranting | 19:33 |
| nemo | optional would solve that | 19:33 |
| nemo | yep | 19:33 |
| Yaroze | nemo: yeh but they either dont run normal apps or games like quake.. or they have a crappy soundcard | 19:33 |
| nemo | badp: problem is, isn't Gnome moving to it exclusively? | 19:33 |
| zniavre | good evening | 19:34 |
| nemo | badp: so isn't like ubuntu could just eliminate it w/o extra maintenance | 19:34 |
| zniavre | it looks as last xorg/mesa update broke my nvidia 173.14 driver | 19:34 |
| kevin009 | well that seems weird, because gnome is accessible with orca, but pa causes lag with orca | 19:34 |
| badp | I'm no Shuttleworth but I think the point is PulseAudio is richer in features and whatnot | 19:34 |
| badp | like per-application volume control | 19:35 |
| Yaroze | richer in features? than what? | 19:35 |
| badp | ..other sound toolkits? | 19:35 |
| Yaroze | i dont want them | 19:35 |
| kevin009 | but i suspect that many users are like myself. they just want the audio to come out of the speakers as soon as possible | 19:36 |
| badp | I don't know, sound works for me (if I except ioquake) and that's good enough for me I guess | 19:36 |
| Yaroze | yeh and many dont want distorted sound either | 19:36 |
| Yaroze | or none at all (pulse does not work at all with some cards) | 19:36 |
| badp | not even youtube gives me noticeable lag on sound... | 19:36 |
| Yaroze | screw the lag, the fucked up sound quality is more important :) | 19:37 |
| bjsnider | what sound cards does pulse not work with? | 19:38 |
| wirechief | probably the most asked question from users with Pulse Audio in #alsa channel : How can we disable or remove Pulse Audio ? | 19:41 |
| Machtin | :D | 19:41 |
| badp | keep in mind people come in that channel because they have trouble with PA ;) | 19:42 |
| wirechief | i know i dealt with em for months ;0 | 19:42 |
| bjsnider | if you hav pulse problems you've almost always got a bad alsa driver | 19:42 |
| badp | you have to also measure how many don't go there... | 19:42 |
| bjsnider | or your sound chip is a piece of junk | 19:42 |
| wirechief | from google: Results 1 - 10 of about 41,600 for disable or remove Pulse Audio ?. | 19:44 |
| wirechief | thats a lot of hits. | 19:44 |
| badp | yeah, now see how many hits are there for 'ubuntu' :) | 19:44 |
| wirechief | Results 1 - 10 of about 301,000 for ubuntu disable or remove Pulse Audio ? | 19:45 |
| wirechief | interesting ? | 19:45 |
| wirechief | there is a lot of disappointment and anger over that one program . | 19:46 |
| wirechief | but maybe someday it will just work. | 19:46 |
| badp | Results 1 - 10 of about 47,700,000 for ubuntu | 19:46 |
| badp | but good try in dodging my point ;) | 19:47 |
| wirechief | it wouldnt be so bad if the users had a choice, they really dont. its what linux is suppose to be about. | 19:47 |
| bjsnider | they can choose to pooch their systems if they want | 19:49 |
| bjsnider | pulse wasn't conceived of as something that would be an onerous burden on users, but something they would want. and would be useful | 19:51 |
| badp | why don't you file a bug in launchpad about it, however, if you feel so strongly on the topic? | 19:52 |
| kevin009 | iirc bugs have been filed | 19:54 |
| kevin009 | but people just say "pulseaudio is the future" | 19:54 |
| bjsnider | it is the present too | 19:55 |
| sp_otaku | Hello, I turned on my lucid system and got the updates for the new 2.6.32.15 kernel, but it doesn't fully boot. It says something like ureadahead, and I think it can't mount my tmp dir,(it has its own partition, but that shouldn't matter) | 19:57 |
| sp_otaku | the kernel from the install works but new ones don't | 19:58 |
| Jordan_U | Does lucid use pulseaudio's single volume control by default? | 19:58 |
| sp_otaku | That and what the heck is up with the ultra slow usb transfers I've tried everything to fixit. | 19:58 |
| o_portista17 | hello | 20:01 |
| o_portista17 | DasEi, thank you very much for all the help, got it working... | 20:01 |
| DasEi | o_portista17: nice feedback | 20:02 |
| DasEi | !fstab | 20:02 |
| ubottu | The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions | 20:02 |
| o_portista17 | now only have to find out what's going on with swap... | 20:02 |
| o_portista17 | mount: mount point swap does not exist | 20:05 |
| jcole | o_portista17: sudo swapon -a | 20:06 |
| jcole | o_portista17: sudo fdisk -l | grep swap | 20:07 |
| o_portista17 | ./dev/sda3 38659 38914 2048000 82 Linux swap / Solaris | 20:07 |
| jcole | o_portista17: cat /proc/swaps | 20:08 |
| o_portista17 | cat /proc/swaps | 20:08 |
| o_portista17 | FilenameTypeSizeUsedPriority | 20:08 |
| jcole | hmm | 20:09 |
| jcole | o_portista17: grep swap /etc/fstab | 20:09 |
| n4cht | okay... so .. upgraded to development version of lucid and now nvidia x server settings is complaining that it's unable to load my x config "failed to query NoScanout for screen 0." ... any ideas? | 20:09 |
| o_portista17 | ./dev/sda3 swap defaults 0 0 | 20:09 |
| jcole | do you have a dot "." in front of /dev/sda3 ? | 20:10 |
| o_portista17 | no | 20:10 |
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| o_portista17 | i've just used it, so it won't send it has a command | 20:10 |
| o_portista17 | *as | 20:10 |
| jcole | change /etc/fstab to this -> /dev/sda3 swap sw 0 0 | 20:11 |
| jcole | then run this -> sudo swapon -a | 20:11 |
| o_portista17 | i have tried to activate swap thru Gparted, and it's on | 20:12 |
| jcole | is /dev/sda3 formatted to swap? if not, run this -> mkswap /dev/sda3 | 20:12 |
| ActionParsnip | yo yo yo | 20:13 |
| ActionParsnip | everyone loving the new alpha? | 20:14 |
| robin0800 | ActionParsnip: no not realy lots broken | 20:15 |
| ActionParsnip | robin0800: really? guess i lucked out huh | 20:15 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | ActionParsnip, the alpha seems ok so far on my setup | 20:17 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: its keeping a lot of people busy, lots of hard work for those involved I am sure, updates everyday. | 20:17 |
| ActionParsnip | BluesKaj-Laptop: snap, mind you i only buy off the HCL :) | 20:17 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | HCL? | 20:18 |
| wirechief | BluesKaj-Laptop: that create a startup usb on 10.3 didnt work for me, i had to use netbootin and that worked, others have complained too so its a good chance its in trouble. | 20:18 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | wirechief, thanks for the heads up ,I'll delete that tutorial from my list | 20:19 |
| n4cht | ActionParsnip: i love it except my nvidia x server settings won't work anymore for setting resolution... the normal ubuntu one will so it's no biggie. | 20:20 |
| wirechief | well i just dont know, maybe a brand new, never been used usb stick will work (i dont have one atm) | 20:20 |
| n4cht | brb. gotta take the wife to work. | 20:20 |
| BluesKaj-Laptop | yeah wirechief , mine is brand new and the iso was the first data | 20:22 |
| ActionParsnip | n4cht: i used xorg.conf after running: sudo nvidia-xconfig works a treat | 20:24 |
| wirechief | just too many variables when you try to reuse a stick that it will fail even when all the files are there, they wont boot. im not sure if someone wrote a how to reuse a stick and have it work.. | 20:24 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: is grub installed on the usb? | 20:25 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: when it worked it just booted to the pre-installed grub | 20:26 |
| wirechief | else it went to my installed grub on /dev/sda | 20:27 |
| wirechief | i did notice a locked file on the stick when it was failing, not sure what that was all about. | 20:28 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: find out what the file is or does, is the stick super old? | 20:28 |
| Yaroze | bjsnider: is emu10k drivers that bad? | 20:28 |
| Yaroze | are even :P | 20:28 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: well maybe a few months, i had 9.10 on it while it was working and decided to try it. | 20:29 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: should be ok then, usb has limited writes | 20:29 |
| === CardinalFang__ is now known as CardinalFang | ||
| wirechief | but then i tried another stick that never had a .iso on it and it failed too. | 20:29 |
| Yaroze | http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested | 20:29 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: tried a different usb port? | 20:29 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: do you get any boot from it at all? | 20:30 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: hmm, no. used the same port with netbootin though and it worked. | 20:30 |
| ActionParsnip | wirechief: does it boot in a different system? | 20:30 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: i could check the second stick to see if that locked file is still on it. | 20:31 |
| wirechief | when it finally worked with unetbootin, it booted both on the computer i made it on (but not to the desktop) and the netbook | 20:32 |
| wirechief | i then was able to install the lucid remix on the netbook | 20:32 |
| robin0800 | any one tried the gt-quassel that uses qt and no kde librarys | 20:32 |
| wirechief | ActionParsnip: the second stick is ok no locked files. | 20:35 |
| Machtin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/509487/+activity < that bug should be fixed, shouldn't it? | 20:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 509487 in plymouth "[lucid] plymouth in initramfs doesn't know to chroot() when init does, can't load files from disk" [Medium,Fix released] | 20:35 |
| === yofel_remote_ is now known as yofel_remote | ||
| * badp gives up and removes linux-backports-modules-alsa | 20:37 | |
| Machtin | or is my interpretation of "fix released" wrong? | 20:38 |
| === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez | ||
| DrHalan | hey, is anyone albe to use etherpad with epiphany? | 21:38 |
| soee | hi when do we see kde 4.4.1 in updates ? | 21:50 |
| gnomefreak | soee: when the devs upload it ;) | 21:52 |
| soee | -.- | 21:52 |
| yofel_remote | soee: most 4.4.1 package were uploaded a few hours ago, it'll take a while until they're all built | 21:55 |
| soee | yofel_remote: thnx for info | 21:55 |
| BUGabundo | hey missign yofel_remote | 21:59 |
| AtomicSpark | Has anyone else experinced lucid's login time being painfully noticeably longer after today's updates? | 22:00 |
| yofel_remote | hi BUGabundo ;) | 22:01 |
| alex_mayorga | anyone with confirm powers in gnome's bugzilla? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608806 | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 608806 in General "empathy doesn't let me see or get to contact details during subscription request" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 22:01 |
| AtomicSpark | Afaik, Empathy doesn't have the ability to link to a user's profile on any accounts. That's a big feature request this late in the game. ;3 | 22:03 |
| devurandom | Hi! | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | hi devurandom | 22:05 |
| devurandom | I'm trying to install Kubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04_alpha3 on my netbook from an USB Stick. | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 22:06 |
| devurandom | I formated the drive as fat, ran unetbootin over the iso, onto the drive, and get something that shows me a bootloader. But when trying to actually boot one of the choices I get something like "invalid kernel". | 22:06 |
| alex_mayorga | AtomicSpark: and it would continue like that if no one confirms my bug :) | 22:07 |
| devurandom | Do you have a hint on what's wrong there? | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | devurandom: not really | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | did you check md5 ? | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | dot the latest unetbootin ? | 22:08 |
| devurandom | yes | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | you should also be using fat32 or vfat | 22:08 |
| devurandom | md5 was correct | 22:08 |
| devurandom | I got the unetbootin from Debian/Sid... | 22:09 |
| devurandom | Whichever that is. | 22:09 |
| devurandom | 408-1 | 22:09 |
| devurandom | I ran mkfs.vfat, so I assume it's that. (how to confirm?) | 22:09 |
| devurandom | damnit, now the drive shows up as empty... | 22:10 |
| devurandom | ok, it seems the stick just broke... | 22:12 |
| devurandom | sectors 256,257,448 broken, at least. | 22:12 |
| devurandom | hey, how lucky am i... | 22:12 |
| devurandom | it still worked when I installed debian. :P | 22:13 |
| badp | what does upgrade-manager -d does that aptitude can't do? | 22:13 |
| badp | *do | 22:13 |
| badp | I mean, once I fixed all the dependency hell by hand. | 22:13 |
| badp | The day I'll replace the gfx card with Noveau chipset I'll worry about Noveau support <.< | 22:13 |
| AtomicSpark | Hmm. What about this? | 22:13 |
| AtomicSpark | GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0) | 22:14 |
| AtomicSpark | I get that ~ every time I boot, forces me to press keys before login shows. | 22:14 |
| AtomicSpark | Not sure where to start. Might be ecrypts something. Since when I see that error, I don't get the pretty "waiting for encrypt swap" message. | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | badp: apply system migration policies | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | what ever that is | 22:15 |
| BUGabundo | devurandom: I keep having pen drives dying on me, when flashing OSs to them | 22:15 |
| devurandom | cant even find a replacement, I guess that's it for now then. | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | either its too abusing in flash , or I have just bad luck | 22:16 |
| devurandom | Thanks anyway! | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | but since I only buy kingston, I get life time warranty | 22:16 |
| devurandom | Oh, you just send them back? | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 22:16 |
| BUGabundo | and get a new one | 22:16 |
| badp | I hope that's nothing too important | 22:17 |
| devurandom | I've got Transcend here, maybe that wors, too. | 22:17 |
| badp | because that's what I'm going to have to miss | 22:17 |
| devurandom | And I still have some sd card, maybe I can get it to boot from that... | 22:17 |
| Tscheesy | devurandom: depends your BIOS but its possible | 22:17 |
| devurandom | I'll just enable all possible options and pray. ;) | 22:19 |
| alex_mayorga | BUGabundo: thanks on clarifying their warranty to me | 22:19 |
| devurandom | Samsung N140, in case someone already got experience with that. | 22:19 |
| Tscheesy | nc10 here and possible ;) | 22:20 |
| devurandom | Tscheesy: What option did you have to enable? | 22:20 |
| BUGabundo | alex_mayorga: depends what model of cours | 22:21 |
| Tscheesy | devurandom: boot from * .. enable the slot.. i do not remember the better | 22:21 |
| devurandom | I once tried with Moblin and couldnt get it to boot... | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | I carry two in my pocket | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | one if already a replacemetne | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | my really old one 128MB usb1.1 was replaced TWICE too | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | but OT | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | :D | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | devurandom: SD would even suck more, I would think | 22:21 |
| Tscheesy | devurandom: but i did the micorsd boot live manually with syslinux | 22:21 |
| badp | btw, what was failing the upgrade to happen wasn't the Noveau drivers or more stuff | 22:22 |
| alex_mayorga | BUGabundo: but if it says lifetime, that's how it goes right? | 22:22 |
| badp | OO.o is currently broken without the package manager knowing about it it seems | 22:22 |
| devurandom | BUGabundo: suck in which way? | 22:22 |
| badp | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle. | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | badp: one more depency | 22:22 |
| BUGabundo | funny enouth I dotn have that one missing | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | and I just upgraded | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | your system is all messed up, it seems | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | did you have many 3rd party repos? | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | or weren't fully updated prior to upgrade? | 22:23 |
| badp | no, that problem is the only one that the upgrade program ever complained about tbh | 22:23 |
| badp | I was fully upgraded before starting | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | devurandom: they can be written many less times then Flash | 22:24 |
| badp | and when I used aptitude to hand resolve dependencies there were no problems around anything in the whereabouts of OO.o | 22:24 |
| badp | my fix was to remove OO.o anyway | 22:24 |
| devurandom | Well it was cheap and I dont have a use for it anyway. | 22:24 |
| badp | indeed, the upgrade manager managed to dribble its way around the missing package and whatnot | 22:24 |
| devurandom | And we can summarize: The N140 cannot boot from SD... | 22:25 |
| badp | but this problem, which was not apparent to the package manager, borked it all. | 22:25 |
| syke | hi | 22:25 |
| badp | hey | 22:25 |
| devurandom | Maybe I should just stay with Debian. Less fancy, but it works... | 22:25 |
| syke | I'm having some trouble upgrading to lucid using the 'update-notifier-kde -d' method | 22:25 |
| syke | is it known to not work for upgrading from 9.10? | 22:25 |
| syke | I get the error message: "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade" | 22:26 |
| badp | there's a dependency problem | 22:27 |
| badp | use aptitude, synaptic or whatever is default on kubuntu to investigate the package | 22:28 |
| badp | (I guess?) | 22:28 |
| syke | ok | 22:28 |
| devurandom | heh, yes, I had weird issues before, too. | 22:29 |
| badp | I still am having them :) | 22:29 |
| badp | but hey, that's the beauty of it. | 22:29 |
| devurandom | apt-get, aptitude install, all couldnt help. I only figured out what was wrong when running aptitude, the ncurses iface... | 22:29 |
| * badp <3 aptitude | 22:29 | |
| devurandom | gn8 | 22:30 |
| syke | looking at the log, here's the issue | 22:31 |
| syke | Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on kdebase-workspace-bin | 22:31 |
| syke | Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 | 22:31 |
| syke | Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 | 22:31 |
| syke | Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on plasma-desktop | 22:31 |
| syke | Considering plasma-desktop 1 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 | 22:31 |
| syke | I'll try updating to the 4.4SC ppa | 22:32 |
| syke | and then doing he upgrade | 22:32 |
| === Jeruvy_ is now known as Jeruvy | ||
| vexati0n | hey... any chance the kernel in LL is going to be fixed before release so it doesn't blow up on ALL of my computers? | 22:37 |
| histo | vexati0n: its not blowing up now | 22:37 |
| histo | syke: maybe in #kubuntu+1 | 22:37 |
| vexati0n | histo, when was the last time you tested it on my notebook? :P | 22:37 |
| histo | vexati0n: haven't but it works fine here on my laptop | 22:38 |
| vexati0n | histo, well i tested it on mine 2 days ago and it made the keyboard freak out. | 22:38 |
| histo | vexati0n: what kernel? | 22:38 |
| BUGabundo | wfm | 22:38 |
| alex_mayorga | great an applet took firefox-bin with it :( | 22:38 |
| vexati0n | 2.6.32-something. whatever the default is in alpha 3 | 22:39 |
| histo | vexati0n: the other option is to install an older version and just wait ont he kernel upgrade if you don't want to mess with testing. | 22:39 |
| histo | vexati0n: its an alpha version | 22:39 |
| histo | not everything is going to work. | 22:39 |
| vexati0n | histo, which is why i asked if any more work is going into the kernel before release. | 22:39 |
| histo | vexati0n: oh yea | 22:39 |
| histo | we still have betas etc.. before we get to rc's and final | 22:40 |
| alex_mayorga | ant apport says the bug report is 778 MB, how that can be? | 22:40 |
| histo | vexati0n: we stil have beta1 and 2 then release canidate | 22:41 |
| alex_mayorga | on the kernel, there's no chance of shipping .33 at all? | 22:42 |
| histo | alex_mayorga: huge log | 22:42 |
| histo | !release | 22:43 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 22:43 |
| histo | alex_mayorga: vexati0n see above for the schedule | 22:43 |
| histo | alex_mayorga: vexati0n and feature freeze | 22:43 |
| alex_mayorga | histo: thanks | 22:43 |
| BUGabundo | histo: just because its alpha doesn't mean it shouldn't work | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | just that it may not work! | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | or eat all your kittens or delete your data! | 22:44 |
| BUGabundo | so make backups of data , and clones of kittens | 22:45 |
| histo | THis being an LTS the focus is on bug squashing and stability | 22:45 |
| alex_mayorga | why not going with the latest released kernel then? | 22:46 |
| alex_mayorga | so much for the release sync SABDFL was touting | 22:46 |
| alex_mayorga | I probably messed up the acronym, sorry | 22:47 |
| vexati0n | seems like 10.04 is more than just bugfixes and stability improvements though. they'r obviously making a lot of very big changes under the hood as well. | 22:47 |
| badp | the alpha is already in feature freeze phase, alex_mayorga | 22:47 |
| badp | too late for that | 22:48 |
| vexati0n | no more init, no more hal, integrating Ubuntu One, etc. | 22:48 |
| pace_t_zulu | gnome-keyring-d is being a bit of a problem logging back in from screensaver | 22:48 |
| histo | changing it now would result in all kinds of bugs. Now there will be patches to the current one | 22:48 |
| * n4cht is quite enjoying the alpha so far. | 22:48 | |
| histo | I love it to the boot speed increases are nice. Hopefully someof the suspend issues are fixed haven't updated in a while on this laptop. Downloading now to install on a different one. | 22:49 |
| alex_mayorga | I wonder how many of the current bugs would be fixed by the newer kernel, is there any way to approximate the #? | 22:50 |
| * alex_mayorga is not complaining of alpha | 22:50 | |
| n4cht | i haven't installed on my laptop yet. just my desktop system, so the suspend issues aren't a bother to me. my laptop is running gentoo, but i'm about to install slackware on it. | 22:51 |
| nFxus | unlockling luks via dropbear doesnt seem to work anylonger. are there any other methods to unlock the / via ssh? | 22:51 |
| espen77 | nFxus: you mean something like "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sca2_crypt"? | 22:57 |
| nFxus | sec... having issues with xchat | 23:01 |
| nFxus | brb | 23:01 |
| nFxus | what i am doing is this | 23:03 |
| nFxus | http://howtoforge.com/unlock-a-luks-encrypted-root-partition-via-ssh-on-ubuntu | 23:03 |
| nFxus | with the new rls of dropbear using that script is no longer needed.. dropbear has added that function by default | 23:04 |
| nFxus | however with Lucid.. dropbear no longer works with crypt and unlocking the / durring boot | 23:05 |
| nFxus | so.. was looking to get some insite or help on the matter.. | 23:05 |
| AtomicSpark | sudo apt-get autoremove failed to remove old kernels. :\ | 23:09 |
| alex_mayorga | AtomicSpark: sudo aptitude autoclean ? | 23:09 |
| AtomicSpark | It's because of this linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic | 23:12 |
| AtomicSpark | Trying to remove that removes a bunch of drivers. | 23:12 |
| AtomicSpark | Yay. | 23:12 |
| nFxus | what is the stronges encryption that can be used durring the install of Lucid? | 23:23 |
| nFxus | strongest* | 23:23 |
| AtomicSpark | nFxus: Encrypted LVM protects everything but your kernel. Which you can store on a removable device. Perfect for the crazies. | 23:27 |
| nFxus | what are the advantages to using LVM or LVM2?.. I will be setting up a Raid6 with 16 1.5TB drives. I will be using a 2GB SSD IDE card for the OS.. any advise is welcome. Current thoughts are 100MB /boot 2GB crypted / Raid6's /home/userdir/r1&r2 | 23:36 |
| nFxus | both raid6's will be crypted as well | 23:37 |
| nFxus | i would like to make the root / .. readonly.. to prolong the life of the ssd card. | 23:38 |
| nFxus | at the same time I would like to use Lucid so that I am 1up .. I have to install the ssd and ship to datacenter. so this has to be prep'ed so to speak | 23:40 |
| nFxus | anyone have idea's... did I get some gears turning | 23:40 |
| nFxus | btw.. I have looked at ALL kinds of tut's out there. So I have readme knowlage but.. human knowlage is better if anyone whats to chip in | 23:41 |
| espen77 | guest session crashing for anyine else if you try to start it from "quit" menu(top right corner)? | 23:42 |
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