[00:00] My machine hangs on gdm login in alpha 3. I just report this as a bug right? [00:02] Hillshum: does it hang right after you press the enter key to log in? [00:02] rww: No, it makes it through most of the sound, then repeats the last second or so a few times, then stops [00:05] What package should I file a bug against? [00:05] Hillshum: which sound? the one you get when gdm starts (before login) or the one when gnome starts (after login)? [00:06] rww: The longer one that plays after login [00:06] hmm, so it's probably not gdm itself [00:09] Hillshum: I'm not sure. The #ubuntu-bugs people might know [00:15] anyone able to get lucid-netbook-i386.iso to boot from a usb on a netbook [00:17] I got it to boot on a normal laptop [00:18] Hillshum ok. [00:19] i tried my netbook but it just moves right past it on to grub (have lunix already installed) [00:20] tried using startup disk creator on lucid desktop but it balks, im not able to get it to work no matter what i do to the stick. [00:21] i know the lucid usb startup works though i used it to make a lucid 10.4 startup. [00:21] oh well if i get really desperate i guess i can put it on a cd later. [00:27] wirechief, your BIOS boot sequence needs to br modified to look at the USB drive first , usually listed as removeable device [00:28] wirechief, i assume you did that already , but i have to mention the obvious [00:29] hey guys... i have noticed something unusual with lucid that has never happened with any version in the past...on a sugle hard drive system it installs fine no issues...however on my dual hard drive system...the consistently asks whch drive I want the bootloader to be installed with..and no matter which I choose it fails...I brought this up once before [00:29] why is it even asking me? and why doesnt it install to the drive that ubuntu is being installed on? [00:30] booboo, I think the fact that it asks has been fixed, what error does it give when it fails? [00:31] Jordan_U, none it just doesnt boot at all [00:31] booboo, What happens when you try to boot? [00:31] Jordan_U, gets to grub menu...choose lucid blank screen [00:31] rww: Should I pour over the logs left after the hang? [00:32] Jordan_U, or no menu at all and black screen [00:32] Jordan_U, i am reinstalling lucid now on that system but it hasne gotten to that choice area yet [00:33] Jordan_U, I will have to burn a new disk then if that has been fixed [00:34] BluesKaj-Laptop: nope thats not my issue, i have two distros already installed and working on that netbook but thanks for asking. [00:34] booboo, I'm not sure if the fix is in an alpha yet. [00:35] wirechief, yeah, I should have read your earlier mention about the problematic stick [00:35] booboo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/base-installer/+bug/526422 ( when launchpad comes back up ) [00:35] Jordan_U, ah ok [00:35] BluesKaj-Laptop: although i am curious why the lucid install is not able to create a bootable usb from the one i was using. [00:35] Launchpad bug 526422 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau "Grub installer asks too many questions to the user" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:36] BluesKaj-Laptop: i am sure that sdf and sdf1 are clean and formatted fat32, its a 4gb stick and it had 9.10 remix on it (not anymore) [00:36] Jordan_U, well apparenlty it has installed this time...installed lucid to one driver...karmic to the other...boot failed...reinstall lucid and it boots now...interesting [00:37] Jordan_U, oh you know what ...i think that choice area comes with dist upgrade [00:37] Jordan_U, so I will do that now and see if it asks again. [00:38] BluesKaj-Laptop: i am not sure if a simple dd of the iso to the stick would work either (havent tried unetbooten) [00:38] be back after that :) if it fails i will try another distribution on that disk and leave karmic on the other [00:40] booboo, On upgrades you *should* be asked what drive to install grub to because in karmic the drives were stored like "/dev/sda", which can change if you add / remove drives. In lucid /dev/disk/-by-id/ will be used instead but user input is required for the transition if it's non-trivial. [00:42] Jordan_U, well this isnt an upgrade to lucid...karmic has it';s own drive as does lucid [00:43] yet it still asks or suspect it will with the updates [00:47] rather newbieish question, but if i install the alpha, it should eventually update itself to the release version, right? [00:47] faileas: yes [00:47] it would be better if you were more proactive about updating, but yes. [00:47] oh, i will be ;p [00:48] Does anybody else have what looks a lot like Tamil has some of the category descriptions in Software Centre? [00:48] s/has/as/ [00:49] wgrant: confirmed [00:50] Ah, good, so I'm not actually crazy. [00:50] I wouldn't go that far for myself :-) [00:50] I wonder if it's a test of some kind. [00:58] Hey guys is there a way to get flash working in 10.04 [00:58] I have not flash in firefox or chrome after the upgrade to 10.04 [00:58] wirechief, this is the procedure i followed to install with a USB drive , http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-from-usb-stick.html [01:05] Hey guys.. Is the Dust theme broken for other people after the last few days updates? [01:07] usb drives not automounting anymore......is this due to removal of HAL? [01:09] There has been news that Lucid supports iPhone now.. Trying to figure this out [01:13] vbabiy, did you try reinstalling ubuntu-restricted-extras? [01:13] booboo, yeah that fix it [01:13] cool :) [01:14] my last issue is the 10.04 broke the mike on the Dell xps 1530 [01:14] mic [01:24] hi all. other then video card type+lucidy alpha 3, what other details are needed/could be provided in bugs about black screen of nothingness? (screen goes black after selecting the language) [01:24] i don't see any obviuos bugs on this subject :/ [01:25] Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. [01:25] anyone an idea? [01:27] Ian_Corne: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk&searchon=names&suite=lucid§ion=all its not in lucid. === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [01:29] * itshare gets trapped in the f6 menu [01:31] weird?? [01:31] Ian_Corne: that its removed? [01:35] wait... a grub bug is a bug in nouveau drivers? [01:35] that makes absolutely no sense. [01:35] s/a grub bug/that grub bug/ [01:39] is there a way to boot up disabling aiglx in xorg? [01:46] interesting... gnome-settings-daemon now understands touchpad-toggle hotkey. [01:46] Unfortunately, the only thing notify-osd displays is: [01:46] ... well, something that looks like a smudgy vertical ellipsis. [01:47] .... -- but 4 rows, instead of 4 columns. [01:48] loading icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' caused error: 'Icon 'notification-touchpad-enabled' not present in theme' === vbabiy_ is now known as vbabiy [02:09] Ok, plymouth is very broken with official nvidia drivers [02:09] It looked great with nouveau [02:09] not merely broken but very much so [02:09] Yeah [02:09] http://www.techeye.net/software/amd-and-nvidia-bitchfight-over-open-source-support [02:09] nice headline. [02:09] old news, though. [02:09] nvidia does not produce a kms driver [02:09] Is there a way to remove it without causing issues? [02:10] so plymouth is useless [02:10] bjsnider, yeah, I know... I'm dual booting gentoo as well [02:10] gentoo? [02:10] never heard of it [02:10] bjsnider, the opposite of ubuntu [02:11] the opposite [02:11] You compile everything [02:11] Nothing works without configuring... for the most part [02:11] And you can choose what support to compile in [02:11] so, it doesn't work, has no user participation, has moronic devs, and years in between releases i guess [02:11] bjsnider, what does? [02:11] gentoo? [02:11] if it's the opposite of ubuntu [02:12] Well, not quite [02:13] It works if you set it up right. It has plenty of user participation. It's devs, while they do bicker, are quite smart, and it's a rolling release. [02:13] The only thing I see as "not user participation" is notify-osd. [02:13] i don't think "it works" should need a qualifier [02:13] Plenty of flames have flown around about that one. [02:14] bjsnider, well, if you want it set up right, it's fine with a qualifier [02:14] Anyway, how can I get rid of plymouth? [02:14] that needed a qualifier too [02:14] Ok, ok [02:14] Enough [02:15] Removing plymouth doesn't break anything? [02:15] just uninstall the plymouth package [02:15] Ok [02:15] I'm used to uninstalling something and having something else break in ubuntu. [02:15] This is the most stable ubuntu alpha I've used in a long time. [02:18] plymouth gives a nice looking password prompt when u have encrypted root, to bad there is no oskb like onBoard for it. [02:29] DanaG, it looks like bridgman says that in 2 or 3 months the radeon driver will have full 2d and 3d support [02:30] Actually, it already is pretty durn close. [02:30] The last big blocker for me is that Radeon KMS eats watts like crazy. [02:39] DanaG, haven't they been saying 2 or 3 months for 2 or 3 years? [02:39] naw, I think it's been "a few months until" different things. [02:39] there was gradual development of 2d and 3d and all that. [02:39] As it is, even Nexuiz, with GLSL enabled, works pretty dang well. [02:40] Only works well under KMS, though. [02:46] Hiya gang. [02:47] Anyone know how to resolve a problem where the EDID of my monitor is no always detected properly? I have an ATI Radeon HD 3200 on my motherboard and a 22" LCD using the VGA connector via a KVM and the resolution doesn't always come up right. [02:49] DSpair if you use the DVI cable it should make things work better than the vga cable connected, i had trouble with detection on my emachine until i used one. [02:49] wirechief: Yes, but that would preclude using the KVM. [02:50] Second issue. How do I get to the GRUB menu when booting up in order to change the boot command line? [02:50] DSpair: hold down shift [02:50] hit letter e then navigate to the section you want [02:50] arand: When is says "GRUB loading"? Hit shift? [02:51] i wait until the screen i complete then hit e [02:51] DSpair: Think you can hold it down earlier [02:51] havent used shift to edit any. [02:51] wirechief: I don't get a menu at all. It goes straight from "GRUB loading" to the Ubuntu splash screen. [02:52] shift to get to the menu, e to edit entries [02:52] I'm trying to get more details on a bug I filed about LVM and the document I was sent requires me to modify the boot command. [02:52] arand: Thanks much! [02:52] hmm thats not right, its not giving you a chance to even test the media [02:52] BBIAB. Gonna try that. [02:52] wirechief: Not booting from the CD. After install. [02:53] Anyhow, BRB [02:55] OK, Booting now. [02:56] arand: Thanks for the "SHIFT" key tip. That worked perfectly. [03:08] Well, the debugging doc that the team sent me doesn't work on Lucid. [03:11] Hey guys, anyone else having issues with the Dust Theme after yesterday's update? [03:11] mjs72311: Nope. [03:11] Oh, wait. I don't use Dust. [03:12] :) [03:12] lol [03:12] Check the dust theme, see if the left and right sides are all foobar'ed [03:12] Anyone know how to set the default boot option in GRUB on Lucid? There's no menu.lst that I can find. [03:12] DSpair, Yea, I found it the other day, 2 sec.. [03:13] mjs72311: Thanks much! [03:13] you're using Grub2, right? [03:13] Whatever the default is on Lucid [03:15] 2 sec, I need to re-find the setting [03:15] mjs72311: No worries. I appreciate the help. I searched around for some time earlier without much luck. [03:16] ok.. [03:17] from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#grub (/etc/default/grub) [03:17] edit the file /etc/default/grub [03:17] and change the line: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT=saved [03:18] then it will just remember the last selection you choose [03:18] Thanks! [03:18] then you need to run a command to compile the changes in to the real grub [03:18] thats the command: update-grub [03:19] grub2 is so confusing compare to the old one.. [03:20] To some extent, tis all apples and oranges to some extent... [03:22] so I installed KDE 4.4 yet again, tried to like it, could not stand it :( [03:22] arand: But there is something to be said for consistency. [03:24] Does anyone know how to determine start order for upstart jobs? [03:24] I want to set up a job to mount an LVM2 volume just before gdm starts. [03:25] I always setup my mounts in fstab, is that too late? [03:25] mjs72311: Problem is that LVM2 is not getting mounted properly by fstab and is hanging up the boot. [03:25] If I set "noauto" on the home dir, I can mount it manually after boot just fine. [03:26] ick, you've reached the end of my knowledge on the subject tho. :-P [03:29] how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp [03:30] how to upgrade to 10.04 alpha 3 from 9.10 i ahve downlaoded iso i386 helpppp [03:31] sudo do-release-upgrade -d [03:31] you can't use desktop livecds to upgrade. [03:32] joppan_, you can do it thru the terminal sudo do-release-upgraqde -d [03:32] er upgrade [03:32] can i use the downloaded source while after running the command ..else i will to downlaod 678M which will take 21 hours with my connection [03:32] what;s the diff between "sudo update-manager -d" and "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"? [03:33] teethdood: the first is graphical, the second is terminal-based [03:33] joppan_: not if it's a livecd, no [03:33] and update-manager is flaky [03:33] k [03:34] rww: k [03:34] rww: so only i can do a fresh install rite [03:34] will ahve to wait till 29th april for final release of 10.04 lucid lynx rite [03:34] joppan_: what's the name of the iso file you downloaded? [03:36] rww: lucid-desktoplucid-desktop-i386.iso [03:36] rww: lucid-desktop-i386.iso [03:36] joppan_: you could use that ISO to do a fresh install of lucid. You can't use it to upgrade from 9.10 to lucid. [03:36] joppan_, open the terminal and do what rww and i have already told you to do, sudo do release-upgrade -d [03:37] can someone on lucid help me test if a bug fix upstream has made it in? [03:37] joppan_, that command will upgrade your 9.10 to 10.04 [03:37] try to add http://noagenda.podshow.com/feed as a podcast feed and let me know if rhythmbox parses in properly [03:38] BluesKaj: but my conn speed is very low 10KB/s ...it took 20.5 hours to downlod the iso ... [03:39] BluesKaj: Checking for a new ubuntu release [03:39] Done Upgrade tool signature [03:39] Done Upgrade tools 9s [03:39] Done downloading [03:39] extracting 'lucid.tar.gz' [03:39] authenticate 'lucid.tar.gz' against 'lucid.tar.gz.gpg' [03:39] Reading cache [03:39] Checking package manager [03:39] Reading package lists: Done [03:39] joppan_, you won't be downloading files that are that large if you just upgrade [03:39] Reading state information: Done [03:39] Reading state information: Done [03:39] Reading state information: Done [03:39] BluesKaj: this is what is current state [03:39] !pastebin | joppan_ [03:39] joppan_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [03:40] BluesKaj: k [03:40] BluesKaj: upgrading from karmic to lucid? yes you would. [03:40] rww, sssshhhh [03:41] Upgrading requires ~4GB of space... [03:41] he can't use the iso unless he clean installs [03:42] he could install to / and the use the manual partition option ...it will save his default apps and config settings [03:42] and config settings for apps that need reinstalling [03:44] joppan_, do understand what i just wrote ? [03:44] BluesKaj: hello i have partion for / ,/boot,/home,/var,/tmp,swap now how to preserve /home ....but am not able to know which /dev/sdax is home [03:44] "You have to download a total of 623M. This download will take about 13 minutes with your connection." :S [03:45] My TV comes tomorrow, and it'll be running Ubuntu most of the time to watch movies. :-D [03:45] joppan_: If you type "mount" in your Karmic's terminal, it should have a line that says "/dev/sdxy on /home" [03:46] speaking of watching movies in ubuntu, 1080P movies stutter bad, while win xp runs them just fine (intel GMA graphics) [03:47] joppan_, use the live cd and install to / , then use the manaul partition option , when the guide asks to format choose "no" , then proceed with the rest of the install [03:47] teethdood, I assume you tried a few different players? [03:48] mjs72311: totem, mplayer and vlc [03:48] teethdood, if not.. I never had any issues with VLC in my experiance.. but I don't run alot of 1080p videos [03:48] teethdood, Alright.. dunno what to tell ya then.. :) [03:48] use a mac? :-D [03:48] sorry, didn't mean to burn.. :-P [03:48] mjs72311: heh. It might be because my TV is 720p and the movie is 1080p. downscaling issues? [03:49] teethdood, I assume the downscaling happens in elsewhere.. what are you using to connect the PC to the TV? [03:50] but the thing is win xp handles the same thing just fine. Pisses me off cuz I don't ever use xp [03:50] except to sync my stupid iphone [03:50] mjs72311: VGA out from laptop [03:51] thats an analog signal.. [03:52] I wouldn't think its downscaling [03:52] probably just a lot to render for your pc [03:53] the question remains, how come win xp renders it just fine? this on top of running antivirus etc [03:54] hmm. the plymouth bug is wierd. [03:55] it gets stuck on the load screen until you use another VT [03:55] rww: k [03:56] rww: /home on sda10 as per output from /etc/mtab [03:58] BluesKaj: k [03:58] i will do [04:25] anybody else find their network is gone after resume from hibernate? [04:35] hmm, I find my network is gone after a failed resume and then a reboot. [04:35] It makes remote connection a royal pain in the ... er, network card? [04:39] well I get it most of the time on success resume so I filed a bug [04:41] DSpair, You should also set "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true" ( GRUB_DEFAULT=saved alone will only work until grub 1.98 final is packaged ) [04:51] Anyone having any luck with Ubuntu and iPhone.. I see it all over the blogosphere. [04:51] Not working for me [05:41] Hi guys, I'm having issues with network-manager-vpnc not wanting to connect to a vpn that requires a rootcert, any ideas? [05:42] Steil: i think vpnc is the cisco vpn [05:42] espen77: yes [05:42] What version of gnome will 10.04 have? [05:42] perscitus, 2.30 [05:43] oh good. no gnome-shell crap then [05:44] gnome 3.0 and gnome-shell will be one giant leap (understatement) for gnome development [05:44] backwards* [05:45] perscitus: It will be easily installable for testing, but not default no. [05:45] Steil: sorry, i havent any experience with vpn, nust know there is vpnc and openconnect for Cisco [05:46] perscitus: All a matter of preference... [05:46] arand, I would bet you on that [05:46] !info gnome-shell lucid [05:46] espen77: thanks, yeah i can use the command line vpnc but i can't use the network-manager frontend [05:46] gnome-shell (source: gnome-shell): graphical shell for the GNOME desktop. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.28.1~git20091125-1 (lucid), package size 445 kB, installed size 1596 kB [05:48] perscitus: I quite like it, and with some finishing I'd say it's a viable replacement. [05:49] arand, The moment gnome-shell becomes part of gnome, is there day i use kde. end of story. [05:49] I'm probably not the only ones too [05:49] Steil: you have both network-manager-{vpnc,vpnc-gnome} installed? [05:50] perscitus: dito when kde4 came along, it's always going to be a rough start, and eveyone hates change anyways... [05:50] yes [05:51] i just need to know how to enable rootcertificate [05:51] arand, except this change in gnome decrases usability [05:52] perscitus: your opinion :) [05:53] arand, wanna bet? [05:55] perscitus: safe bet, I know my opinion :) But yes, of course loads of people are going to hate it, there's no denying that, and in the first releases it might not be useful at all, but I still think the overall direction of it is not inherently bad. [06:07] arand, I just tried gnome-shell and i stand by my original opinion [06:11] arand, and there is difference between kde 3 -> 4 and gnome 2 to 3 [06:21] perscitus: Also, gnomes will be gnomes, they make a lot of (in many's opinion) stupid decisions and changes, but I've come to the conclusion that if I'm gonna care about every little thing they do wrong I will sooner or later get a nervous breakdown, there is always kde, openbox, gnome-legacy, etc. If gnome3 does in the end turn out to be crap, well so be it, it's gnome wasting time, not me. [06:36] there is allways mwm if gnome3 is to bad :P (http://xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-tomp.gif) [06:37] arand, KDE is professional [07:00] I'm so happy with Lucid Lynx, can't wait for it to be relased \o/ [07:03] saxin, 59 days and counting ;) [07:04] Nice :) [07:08] hey, can anyone confirm ALT + "t" opening a terminal window is default/ expected behaviour in lucid? === holstein is now known as Arnie_Zoo === Arnie_Zoo is now known as holstein [07:09] or where I could find out? [07:12] kermiac, alt+t does open a terminal on my gnome+compiz 'somewhat' default Lucid [07:13] ty ZykoticK9 :) [07:15] ZykoticK9: do you happen to have ati graphics? [07:16] kermiac: I thought it was ctrl+alt+t? [07:16] kermiac, I'm sorry - but NO way. I avoid ati like the plague. [07:16] or did it chanfe? [07:17] ZykoticK9: I don't blame you - wise decision :) [07:17] arand, kermiac ctrl+alt+t does nothing here? [07:17] arand: that's what I was wondering too [07:17] would it be in metacity changelogs maybe? [07:18] or does some other package handle default shortcut keys? [07:21] kermiac, if you are using gnome, compiz or metacity makes no difference on my system - alt+t opens a terminal either way [07:21] hmm... http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/m/metacity/metacity_2.28.1-0ubuntu2/changelog says CTRL+ALT+T [07:23] kermiac, System / Prefs / Keyboard Shortcuts -- under Desktop find Open a terminal window -- mine shows Alt+T [07:25] kermiac, my system was last updated 7 hrs ago - but i do have some updates, i'll see if it's the same after [07:27] ZykoticK9: yes, mine says ALT+T too [07:29] kermiac, no change after updates (but can't log out right now so not really a good test). Does the alt+t work on your system? [07:30] I just finished doing updates now & rebooted but no change [07:30] yes, ALT+T works (and is set in keyboard shortcuts) on my lucid box [07:31] CTRL+ALT+T does nothing - still looking into exactly what package handles the keyboard shortcuts [07:32] * kermiac is confused [07:35] the keyboard shortcuts has is mapped as ctrl+alt+t , but that does nothing , only alt+t opens a terminal [07:36] s/is/it [07:50] in USC i like the "Provided by Ubuntu", with other repos listed beneath it's a cool feature really. is there a way to add PPAs to this list as well? side note: the inability to get more information about a package from within USC is a major failing of this interface right now. [07:57] does dgm2setup works on Lucid? [08:18] I have Lucid installed on a laptop and the screen goes blank while booting. I don't think it boots at all. How can I resolve this? [08:20] The displays turns off completely, the power/num lock/touchpad lights stay on and the HDD activity light stays off [08:21] I'm rolling a Lucid-based kiosk system, with a cut-down X session. Which (if any) notification-daemon implementations will work without a WM that implements the FDO systray? [08:27] Never mind, I can just use Ratpoison's :echo command with a really big font. Quick and dirty and fugly. Whee! [08:29] FWIW, I'm experiencing serious trouble with Thunderbird on a dual screen setup with compositing active. Turning off compositing seems to get Thunderbird back to normal. Symptom is missing paint events/updates. [08:38] Ryan1: try and then or try holdin shift when the grub line shows and choose another kernel [08:41] bom d|a [08:53] Ctrl + Alt + F1 didn't do anything, but I fixed it by booting to a root console and installing updates [08:54] I didn't have any other kernels because it was installed from alpha 3 [08:56] ZykoticK9: you still around? [08:56] kermiac, ya, what's up? [08:56] can you please "me too" bug 529852? [08:56] Launchpad bug 529852 in compiz "T opens up terminal, even though I haven't assigned it anywhere" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529852 [08:58] kermiac, i'm affraid i don't see a bug there - i see working as designed - it's set in my keyboard preferences to open a terminal, and it does. [08:59] ok nvm... it is actually a bug. CTRL+ALT+T should open terminal, not ALT+T... but that's ok [08:59] compiz is doing weird things to metacity keybindings [09:00] i could certainly see there being overlaps between the two [09:00] ok, fair enough... np ZykoticK9 :) [09:04] i am on ubuntu 9.04 was using 8.x, after this , transimssion sucks. did htye put an old version in there? [09:04] i dont have that activity chart with all those blue blocks? http://www.transmissionbt.com/help/gtk/1.5x/gfx/inspector.jpg [09:05] meatbun, if you are using 9.04 repeat your question in Ubuntu support channel #ubuntu (this channel is for Lucid 10.04 support) [09:06] ZykoticK9: i did no one knows [09:06] developers should keep in mind when they upgrade the distro, they should keep the old app as is [09:07] !info transmission-gtk hardy [09:07] !info transmission-gtk karmic [09:07] transmission-gtk (source: transmission): free, lightweight BitTorrent client (graphical interface). In component main, is optional. Version 1.06-0ubuntu6.1 (hardy), package size 244 kB, installed size 1020 kB [09:07] transmission-gtk (source: transmission): lightweight BitTorrent client (GTK interface). In component main, is optional. Version 1.75-0ubuntu2.2 (karmic), package size 289 kB, installed size 2648 kB [09:07] it happens to me quite often, every time, a new version of ubuntu comes out, an working existing app, no longer works!! [09:07] i am frustrated!!!! [09:07] I guess that's a "no". [09:07] not just transmission, but tac plus and other apps [09:08] and god know which was didn't work [09:09] *fucking it*!!! [09:09] !wtf | meatbun [09:09] meatbun: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [09:27] Has anybody here got a separate /home partition? If yes - do you experience random issue with "Waiting for /home [SM]" displayed in plymouth for quite some time and then it launches gdm w/o /home mounted? [09:47] hello cn anybody talk to me about ubuntu and eeepc ? [09:58] I would like to try out 10.04.. how would I go about this? is there a minimal CD release? [09:59] neil_d: define "minimal" [09:59] rww: a small <100MB iso image that install ubuntu via the internet. [10:00] neil_d: 32-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | 64-bit: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [10:02] rww: does that install 9.10 or 10.4? [10:02] neil_d: 10.04 [10:02] hence the "lucid" [10:03] rww: great.. I was wondering what 'current' meant in the link. [11:07] hi all. are universe packages allowed in ubuntu install cds these days? [11:08] i'm specificaly wondering if theres a chance usb-modeswitcher can be included [11:10] Kamping_Kaiser: have you read the discussion on ubuntu-devel-discuss ? [11:26] arand: no. i don't follow ubuntu lists anymore. roughly howlong ago should i be looking in the archive? [11:28] 01/03/10 10:17, but there seems to ahve been rpevious discussions which was taken up again. [11:28] Kamping_Kaiser: So fairly new [11:29] arand: thanks, I'll check the archive :) [11:30] are you indicating the month is january or march? [11:30] Kamping_Kaiser: summary It seems more prudent to me to simply document that if your card isn't [11:30] > supported by Lucid OOTB, you may install the unsupported usb-modeswitch [11:30] > package from universe. Then work on having that be the sole supported [11:30] > option for lucid+1 [11:31] ta. shame it'll miss the lts :( guess we'll be installing it after install for the next few years [11:31] Kamping_Kaiser: hrm, more spammy then intended ↑ But that kind of seems to be the gist of it jaunuary as in yesterday, yes. Hence why I remebered it clearly ;) [11:33] cheers. found it in the archive :) [11:41] hiiii :) [11:41] im updating my 9.10 to 10.04 anyone have problem with this? [11:50] several [11:51] display turning completely WHITE in recovery mode, latest alpha.. what could cause that? [11:51] computer seems to bootup just fine [12:03] anyone prefer netbootin over usb-creator besides myself ? [12:04] usb-creator seems not to work very well [12:15] wirechief: i have never managed to make a bootable usbstick with usb creator [12:17] Yaroze sounds like its broken in some manner. I was debating filing a bug but not sure, sometimes sticks get ugly, i have used mkidosfs to clear the mbr and sdb1 to no avail. [12:18] then tried unetbootin and after reformating and doing the mkidosfs it worked. im not impressed. [12:19] http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested [12:21] Yaroze why are you putting up a binary / [12:21] ? [12:21] wirechief: a binary what what now? [12:39] hi guys, I was wondering how can I write text into the nautilus address bar, there was the pencil icon before to do that , but I can't see it now. [12:40] uhm, anyone ? [12:43] no one has any idea ? [12:44] Anyone else have run into this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/461815 [12:44] Launchpad bug 461815 in linux "9.10 rc livecd takes a long time to boot, showing errors" [Undecided,New] [12:45] abe3k, press Ctrl+L [12:46] hi [12:46] pecisk: is there any way to toggle it ? [12:46] i installed lucid, but i can't find sun-java6-* packages. where can i download them? [12:46] abe3k, button? I'm not sure [12:46] i mean, for lucid [12:46] pdani, use openjdk [12:47] i would prefer to use sun-java6, because hadoop packages depends on it [12:47] I don't know why they are absent [12:47] pecisk: not important to be a button, I just want to turn it on for a while [12:47] maybe there are licensing problems with new Java owner Oracle [12:48] abe3k, well press Ctrl+L, give path, press enter.... [12:48] pdani: could use the .bin at www.java.com works great for 64bit java [12:48] thx [12:54] yo yo yo [12:55] what's a halfop? [13:22] greetings gentlemen [13:36] is there someone succed installing lucid? bcause I just failed installing it in virtualbox [13:37] most of all did [13:37] are you using Alpha 3? [13:37] Damascene: yes [13:40] you should give more information on your problem so someone could help you [13:40] Damascene: after doing some setting and start installing 15%, then I got message: sorry ubiquity has closed unexpectedly... [13:40] try to update before install [13:40] at least ubiquity [13:41] so some package has been updated since alpha3? [13:42] actually the daily update is about 30 mb [13:43] thanks, I will try it [14:03] i would like to know one thing : there is a known bug with karmic amd64 SMP kernel and virtualbox running windows guest extremely slow, so i upgraded to lucid and didn't get that problem anymore, to day i distupgrade lucid , and i get again that problem ? [14:04] as the initial problem relates to the kernel, and this morning the dist-upgrade updated the kernel [14:04] i wonder if the karmic's kernel problem has been ported to lucid's [14:06] http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5501 <= Here is the original problem [14:15] sidh vbox 3.0.10 is old have you tried the most recent ? [14:18] 3.1.4r57640 <= i'm running this version [14:20] sidh ok. [14:20] what kernel on lucid now ? [14:23] wirechief: According to my uname -r 2.6.32-14 [14:23] -15 is out! ;P [14:23] Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.32-14-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Sat Feb 20 05:38:50 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux is what i have on daily [14:24] it changes quite often. [14:25] rww i updated this morning, must of just been put in. [14:26] 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP [14:27] 2.6.33-020633-generic #020633 SMP Thu Feb 25 10:10:03 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [14:27] sorry [14:28] no need to be sorry, you might have discovered a bug, however these kernels are changing almost daily it seems. [14:30] i have vbox 3.0.12 r54655 and am going to update that, i noticed that lucid is not fully supported by it with guest additions. [14:31] maybe the newer one with a updated guest additions will provide better performance, however my guest is lucid not windows, is that xp or win7 your running in vm ? [14:32] ah... W2k guest machine [14:32] ok [14:35] sidh are you using any boot cheats with lucid ? like nomodeset or disabling ipv6 ? [14:38] wirechief: no first of all i started with ubuntu karmic amd64 minimal iso (no need gnome stuff) [14:39] then i dist-upgraded to lucid [14:39] no cheats at all [15:09] Something broke again in the most-recent kernels [15:09] Now my CPU only goes to a max of 50% speed, even though it shows as being a 2.4Ghz proc [15:09] # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies [15:09] 2401000 2400000 2000000 1600000 1200000 800000 [15:10] # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq [15:10] 1200000 [15:10] Even when I force it by passing 'performance' to scaling_governor, it still only goes to 1.2Ghz [15:11] setuid: which kernel ? [15:11] This worked with 2.6.32-10, and fails with -13 and -15, and now when I go back to -10, it no longer works there either... so i think something else was installed, that is causing this (acpi changes?) [15:13] Nothing I can do, will get it past 1.2Ghz [15:20] yo yo yo [15:21] So. Just wondering. [15:21] If we manage another release of Hedgewars in, oh, the next two weeks [15:22] could it make it into Lucid? [15:22] is nice to minimise linux users complaining the game server is empty 'cause they are on old protocol version [15:22] nemo: it may get added or there may be a ppa with it [15:22] ActionParsnip: well. we do direct people to the ppa [15:22] but it only picks up a fraction of ubuntu users [15:23] basically the ones who hit the site directly instead of using package management [15:23] nemo: if you submit a bug stating the issues the new version solves it may get added faster [15:23] mm [15:23] nemo: it will need a feature freeze exception unless it is just a security update. but you would need to file a bug on it (at least best way) [15:23] 'k [15:24] well. guess we'd better release in advance of Lucid then, since turnaround on that would presumably not be instantaneous :) [15:25] nemo: what version is it you want in Lucid? [15:25] http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested [15:25] gnomefreak: next one ;) will probably be called 0.9.13 [15:25] gnomefreak: still in dev [15:25] but we might call a code freeze soon [15:27] * gnomefreak not sure if we are willing to take dev this late in the devcycle but someone from motu would know more. you can try asking in #ubuntu-motu [15:41] sidh, any ideas? [15:41] I just killed off upowerd, and it seems to allow my manual scripts to set scaling to function... Is upowerd new in the last day or two's updates? [15:42] wait no, I take that back... it's still 1.2Ghz [15:45] gnomefreak: well. the main issue is ubuntu users who aren't on latest protocol basically can't play with anyone [15:46] gnomefreak: last release was in, on, November, since then protocol has changed quite a bit [15:46] well. they can play with other ubuntu users, but that's a fairly small percentage of the gamers :) [15:46] ... other ubuntu users who didn't switch to playdev [15:46] er [15:46] playdeb [15:47] nemo: i have never used it or heard of it. motu would be able to give you a better idea. if code changes that backports would have to handle it for 'k [15:50] Hello. "Because of the new alternatives system used for nvidia driver packages, the nvidia installer from NVIDIA's website currently doesn't work." ← does that mean nvidia proprietary drivers are not available through the System/Administrator/Hardware Drivers menu? [16:01] badp: not neccessarily. The hardware drivers install does not have to have the nvidia website installer [16:01] badp: add the nvidia ppa and install nvidia-glx-185 [16:02] thanks, that was my only worry before making the jump :) [16:19] * Ng notes all the shiny new iphone related gubbins in lucid [16:19] doesn't seem to appear in rhythmbox though [16:20] anyone else tried that stuff yet? [16:24] Ng: i use LXDE, so no [16:24] ActionParsnip: good to know :D [16:48] what are gubbins? [16:58] Ian_Corne: Basically same idea as "little bits and pieces" [17:19] how can i select a stronger key for encrypted drives durring install? the max in the list is 256.. is there a way to make a 4096? [17:19] was dc'ed not sure if that posted a sec ago [17:20] also. when installing dropbear to unlock via ssh. lucid doesnt seem to start it at boot time [17:26] hello, i have a problem with my 10.04, i can't boot it [17:27] i have an error with the "mountall" package... ;/ [17:28] mount: mount point does not exist; mount: mount [....] terminated with status 32; mountall: filesystem could not be mounted [17:30] if there are repository managers around -- the repos have broken packages right now [17:30] just warning you. [17:30] (and all attempting to upgrade to beta 3 right now) [17:33] if I got my copy pasting right, server-xorg 1:7.5+1ubuntu11 depends on server-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic 2.6.32.15.16 which depends on linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE) [17:35] yes, there are some issues yet. that's why it is still alpha [17:35] * BUGabundo_remote checks for updates [17:36] I'm telling you what the issue is so you can fix them. That's why people test alphas [17:36] *it [17:36] Thanks [17:36] badp: alpha3 is sooo old right now [17:37] BUGabundo_remote: indeed I think upgrade-manager -d is bringing me to the latest in the repos [17:37] correct [17:37] at least the one of yoru mirror [17:37] good point [17:37] * badp switches to the default mirror [17:37] *master [17:38] gah, I was already using that. [17:39] badp, just an fyi, my system is fully uptodate and i see the two packages you mentioned greyed out in my Update Manager list [17:40] that's because of linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-15-generic (UNAVAILABLE) [17:41] just leave it be [17:41] prob not build yet [17:41] or failed to build [17:41] X team knows about it [17:41] yeah, it's just the first time I hit a broken repository snapshot during the upgrade progress itself :) [17:42] I guess I was lucky the other times [17:43] * charlie-tca forgot to say what BUGabundo_remote said, but I was thinking it... [17:44] yeah, this kind of stuff does tend to resolve itself shortly. I just hoped it would resolve itself faster if I told you <.< [17:44] ah well. sorry. [17:45] np [17:45] it happens [17:45] thanks for the heads up [17:46] onlyme: have another os or a live cd to acces that sytem ? [17:47] im on a live cd right now [17:47] same machine , onlyme ? [17:47] 'cos i can't login...i get that message, and the system get stuck [17:47] yes, the same machine [17:47] one hardrive only ? [17:47] sidh, i'm getting the same slow VMs in VBox with most recent updates, did you find any solution/bug to the issue? [17:48] one hardrive only ? onlyme [17:48] yep, only one [17:48] onlyme: open a terminal .. [17:49] onlyme: sudo -s [17:49] yes... [17:49] onlyme: mkdir /media/root [17:49] done [17:49] onlyme: mount /dev/sda1 /media/root [17:50] onlyme: chroot /media/root [17:50] onlyme: ls << is this your harddrive ? [17:50] yes [17:50] onlyme: cd /etc [17:50] onlyme: nano stab [17:51] oops [17:51] nano fstab [17:51] also, scilab-bin 5.2.1-3 is unavailable [17:51] yes... [17:51] onlyme: you know how to read fstab ? [17:52] can sda2_crypt be renamed after install [17:52] yes [17:52] onlyme: or can you remember which was the partition it halted on ? [17:52] it doesn't say... [17:53] onlyme: unless a custom setup, least will have / (root) and swap [17:53] onlyme: open a second tab in terminal of live cd [17:53] sudo blkid [17:53] i have the / , swap , proc , windows, and 2 for external hd's, but they are commented [17:54] all the UUID's, are correct [17:54] already check that [17:54] onlyme: just for debugging, comment win and proc, too [17:54] 2 lines are not to much, copy them in here ? [17:55] too* [17:56] http://pastebin.com/8ciER54a [17:56] that's my fstab and UUID's [17:57] time to move $HOME. cu later [17:57] btw, is it normal to have fstab.pre-ntfs-config on the /etc ? [17:58] could it be something wrong in the mtab file as well? [18:00] onlyme: line 27 following, three bad lines /scd0 [18:01] commented them all [18:04] will try to boot it now...be right back [18:04] onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err [18:12] DasEi, im the "onlyme" [18:12] o_portista17: ic [18:12] onlyme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/387140/ , err [18:12] i've commented all, except the linux, and i have the same error [18:14] i have it like that [18:14] only linux and swap [18:14] all the rest is commented [18:15] o_portista17: same again, let's look at syslog [18:15] o_portista17: sudo -s [18:15] o_portista17: mkdir /media/root [18:15] mount /dev/sda1 /media/root [18:16] chroot /media/root [18:16] yes... [18:16] cd /var/log/ [18:16] nano syslog [18:17] i have nothing from today [18:22] sure, couldn't get past fstab [18:22] my bad [18:23] close nano (ctrl-x) [18:23] cd [18:23] cd /etc [18:24] nano fstab, paste it again, o_portista17 [18:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/387150/ [18:28] I havent checked the uuids by numbers, least cd is still wrong, ","missing and space to much before auto, but just also uncomment, not needed to boot, looks right to me [18:28] it is : [18:28] /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 auto user,noauto,exec 0 0 [18:29] should read : /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto (or /dev/scd0), just also comment it [18:30] also look if /media/cdrom0 exists (as dir) [18:30] it does [18:31] will try again, this time without the UUID's [18:32] from an overlook, they seem right [18:32] Is anyone else having a problem with the dvd drive disappearing in nautilus when you put in a blank cd/dvd and then reappearing when you take it out? [18:32] leave them, for grub2, o_portista17 [18:33] ok, will give it another try [18:33] brb [18:34] how do i get real java in lucid? [18:34] timboy - openjdk? [18:35] mrmcq2u, tried to use it but it doesn't work with the app I need to use... [18:35] What app is that? [18:35] preware [18:37] can I get real java in lucid or is java support going to die? [18:37] I was asking the same thing [18:37] but then went to bed :p [18:38] timboy: I think its in ubuntu restricted extras [18:38] timboy - openjdk is real java [18:38] openjdk is going to be the base for jdk7 [18:38] openjdk works very well [18:39] I think you should go to the #openjdk channel to ask whether preware should work or not [18:40] timboy, I hear you can just use the bin from www.java.com and it's reported to work fine if you'd prefer [18:41] ZykoticK9, TXH! [18:41] how do you hide the join disconnected messages in empathy [18:41] if openjdk is open, why is it "restricted"-extras [18:41] duffydack, good question [18:42] mrmcq2u, #openjdk isn't a channel [18:43] timboy its on oftc server [18:44] openjdk is not in restricted extras === KB1JWQ is now known as Sorthum === Sorthum is now known as KB1JWQ [18:47] mrmcq2u: no I think java is [18:47] sunjava maybe [18:48] mrmcq2u: indeed [18:48] robin0800, there is no sunjava in lucid however [18:49] ZykoticK9: I know like a lot of things no mp3 no irc client etc === Jordan_U_ is now known as Jordan_U [18:50] robin0800, those two things might not be installed by default but they are only and apt-get away - sunjava isn't no longer in the repo under lucid [18:51] s/isn't/is [18:52] ah, well installing ubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk, so i assumed....... [18:52] ubuntu restricted extras say "Java runtime environment" [18:55] I'm trying to debug some Samba problems in Lucid (having to do with mounting shares from outside the firewall) and notice the following weirdness: [18:55] root@data:/etc# netstat -tulpen | grep smb [18:55] tcp6 0 0 :::139 :::* LISTEN 0 151394 24303/smbd [18:55] tcp6 0 0 :::445 :::* LISTEN 0 151392 24303/smbd [18:55] Is this a samba bug or a netstat bug, it's not clear, but surely smbd shouldn't only be listening on IPv6! [18:57] anyone had lucid successfully mount blank(cd/dvd's) disks lately? [18:59] mrmcq2u: only this afternoon not this morning it was broke [19:02] Hey ubottu and all [19:05] robin0800 - been broke here for a few days [19:06] any one able to start gwibber? [19:06] nope [19:15] mrmcq2u: Bug #519557 maybe? [19:15] Launchpad bug 519557 in gwibber "gwibber-service crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519557 [19:19] Does Lucid replace usplash with plymouth? [19:22] badp, iirc yes [19:26] http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested [19:27] can we remove pulseaudio from 10.4, or will it break the audio controls like in 9.10? [19:27] this is why I still use 9.04 [19:28] kevin009: there is a way to remove pulseaudio from 9.10 by replacing bits from 9.04 [19:29] will we still have to do that in 10.04 though? PA causes too much latency for my liking [19:32] kevin009: yeh i think so.. im running the xfce mixer here instead of gnomes atm [19:33] i wish they would stop forcing people to use PA..nobody wants it [19:33] heh [19:33] except those who do [19:33] Yaroze: some people do [19:33] yes it should be optional. that would eliminate all of the angry ranting [19:33] optional would solve that [19:33] yep [19:33] nemo: yeh but they either dont run normal apps or games like quake.. or they have a crappy soundcard [19:33] badp: problem is, isn't Gnome moving to it exclusively? [19:34] good evening [19:34] badp: so isn't like ubuntu could just eliminate it w/o extra maintenance [19:34] it looks as last xorg/mesa update broke my nvidia 173.14 driver [19:34] well that seems weird, because gnome is accessible with orca, but pa causes lag with orca [19:34] I'm no Shuttleworth but I think the point is PulseAudio is richer in features and whatnot [19:35] like per-application volume control [19:35] richer in features? than what? [19:35] ..other sound toolkits? [19:35] i dont want them [19:36] but i suspect that many users are like myself. they just want the audio to come out of the speakers as soon as possible [19:36] I don't know, sound works for me (if I except ioquake) and that's good enough for me I guess [19:36] yeh and many dont want distorted sound either [19:36] or none at all (pulse does not work at all with some cards) [19:36] not even youtube gives me noticeable lag on sound... [19:37] screw the lag, the fucked up sound quality is more important :) [19:38] what sound cards does pulse not work with? [19:41] probably the most asked question from users with Pulse Audio in #alsa channel : How can we disable or remove Pulse Audio ? [19:41] :D [19:42] keep in mind people come in that channel because they have trouble with PA ;) [19:42] i know i dealt with em for months ;0 [19:42] if you hav pulse problems you've almost always got a bad alsa driver [19:42] you have to also measure how many don't go there... [19:42] or your sound chip is a piece of junk [19:44] from google: Results 1 - 10 of about 41,600 for disable or remove Pulse Audio ?. [19:44] thats a lot of hits. [19:44] yeah, now see how many hits are there for 'ubuntu' :) [19:45] Results 1 - 10 of about 301,000 for ubuntu disable or remove Pulse Audio ? [19:45] interesting ? [19:46] there is a lot of disappointment and anger over that one program . [19:46] but maybe someday it will just work. [19:46] Results 1 - 10 of about 47,700,000 for ubuntu [19:47] but good try in dodging my point ;) [19:47] it wouldnt be so bad if the users had a choice, they really dont. its what linux is suppose to be about. [19:49] they can choose to pooch their systems if they want [19:51] pulse wasn't conceived of as something that would be an onerous burden on users, but something they would want. and would be useful [19:52] why don't you file a bug in launchpad about it, however, if you feel so strongly on the topic? [19:54] iirc bugs have been filed [19:54] but people just say "pulseaudio is the future" [19:55] it is the present too [19:57] Hello, I turned on my lucid system and got the updates for the new 2.6.32.15 kernel, but it doesn't fully boot. It says something like ureadahead, and I think it can't mount my tmp dir,(it has its own partition, but that shouldn't matter) [19:58] the kernel from the install works but new ones don't [19:58] Does lucid use pulseaudio's single volume control by default? [19:58] That and what the heck is up with the ultra slow usb transfers I've tried everything to fixit. [20:01] hello [20:01] DasEi, thank you very much for all the help, got it working... [20:02] o_portista17: nice feedback [20:02] !fstab [20:02] The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions [20:02] now only have to find out what's going on with swap... [20:05] mount: mount point swap does not exist [20:06] o_portista17: sudo swapon -a [20:07] o_portista17: sudo fdisk -l | grep swap [20:07] ./dev/sda3 38659 38914 2048000 82 Linux swap / Solaris [20:08] o_portista17: cat /proc/swaps [20:08] cat /proc/swaps [20:08] Filename Type Size Used Priority [20:09] hmm [20:09] o_portista17: grep swap /etc/fstab [20:09] okay... so .. upgraded to development version of lucid and now nvidia x server settings is complaining that it's unable to load my x config "failed to query NoScanout for screen 0." ... any ideas? [20:09] ./dev/sda3 swap defaults 0 0 [20:10] do you have a dot "." in front of /dev/sda3 ? [20:10] no === xyofel is now known as yofel_remote [20:10] i've just used it, so it won't send it has a command [20:10] *as [20:11] change /etc/fstab to this -> /dev/sda3 swap sw 0 0 [20:11] then run this -> sudo swapon -a [20:12] i have tried to activate swap thru Gparted, and it's on [20:12] is /dev/sda3 formatted to swap? if not, run this -> mkswap /dev/sda3 [20:13] yo yo yo [20:14] everyone loving the new alpha? [20:15] ActionParsnip: no not realy lots broken [20:15] robin0800: really? guess i lucked out huh [20:17] ActionParsnip, the alpha seems ok so far on my setup [20:17] ActionParsnip: its keeping a lot of people busy, lots of hard work for those involved I am sure, updates everyday. [20:17] BluesKaj-Laptop: snap, mind you i only buy off the HCL :) [20:18] HCL? [20:18] BluesKaj-Laptop: that create a startup usb on 10.3 didnt work for me, i had to use netbootin and that worked, others have complained too so its a good chance its in trouble. [20:19] wirechief, thanks for the heads up ,I'll delete that tutorial from my list [20:20] ActionParsnip: i love it except my nvidia x server settings won't work anymore for setting resolution... the normal ubuntu one will so it's no biggie. [20:20] well i just dont know, maybe a brand new, never been used usb stick will work (i dont have one atm) [20:20] brb. gotta take the wife to work. [20:22] yeah wirechief , mine is brand new and the iso was the first data [20:24] n4cht: i used xorg.conf after running: sudo nvidia-xconfig works a treat [20:24] just too many variables when you try to reuse a stick that it will fail even when all the files are there, they wont boot. im not sure if someone wrote a how to reuse a stick and have it work.. [20:25] wirechief: is grub installed on the usb? [20:26] ActionParsnip: when it worked it just booted to the pre-installed grub [20:27] else it went to my installed grub on /dev/sda [20:28] i did notice a locked file on the stick when it was failing, not sure what that was all about. [20:28] wirechief: find out what the file is or does, is the stick super old? [20:28] bjsnider: is emu10k drivers that bad? [20:28] are even :P [20:29] ActionParsnip: well maybe a few months, i had 9.10 on it while it was working and decided to try it. [20:29] wirechief: should be ok then, usb has limited writes === CardinalFang__ is now known as CardinalFang [20:29] but then i tried another stick that never had a .iso on it and it failed too. [20:29] http://85.227.171.126/white.3gp <-- my problem at bootup if anyone is interested [20:29] wirechief: tried a different usb port? [20:30] wirechief: do you get any boot from it at all? [20:30] ActionParsnip: hmm, no. used the same port with netbootin though and it worked. [20:30] wirechief: does it boot in a different system? [20:31] ActionParsnip: i could check the second stick to see if that locked file is still on it. [20:32] when it finally worked with unetbootin, it booted both on the computer i made it on (but not to the desktop) and the netbook [20:32] i then was able to install the lucid remix on the netbook [20:32] any one tried the gt-quassel that uses qt and no kde librarys [20:35] ActionParsnip: the second stick is ok no locked files. [20:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/509487/+activity < that bug should be fixed, shouldn't it? [20:35] Launchpad bug 509487 in plymouth "[lucid] plymouth in initramfs doesn't know to chroot() when init does, can't load files from disk" [Medium,Fix released] === yofel_remote_ is now known as yofel_remote [20:37] * badp gives up and removes linux-backports-modules-alsa [20:38] or is my interpretation of "fix released" wrong? === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [21:38] hey, is anyone albe to use etherpad with epiphany? [21:50] hi when do we see kde 4.4.1 in updates ? [21:52] soee: when the devs upload it ;) [21:52] -.- [21:55] soee: most 4.4.1 package were uploaded a few hours ago, it'll take a while until they're all built [21:55] yofel_remote: thnx for info [21:59] hey missign yofel_remote [22:00] Has anyone else experinced lucid's login time being painfully noticeably longer after today's updates? [22:01] hi BUGabundo ;) [22:01] anyone with confirm powers in gnome's bugzilla? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608806 [22:01] Gnome bug 608806 in General "empathy doesn't let me see or get to contact details during subscription request" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [22:03] Afaik, Empathy doesn't have the ability to link to a user's profile on any accounts. That's a big feature request this late in the game. ;3 [22:05] Hi! [22:05] hi devurandom [22:05] I'm trying to install Kubuntu Netbook Edition 10.04_alpha3 on my netbook from an USB Stick. [22:06] ok [22:06] I formated the drive as fat, ran unetbootin over the iso, onto the drive, and get something that shows me a bootloader. But when trying to actually boot one of the choices I get something like "invalid kernel". [22:07] AtomicSpark: and it would continue like that if no one confirms my bug :) [22:07] Do you have a hint on what's wrong there? [22:08] devurandom: not really [22:08] did you check md5 ? [22:08] dot the latest unetbootin ? [22:08] yes [22:08] you should also be using fat32 or vfat [22:08] md5 was correct [22:09] I got the unetbootin from Debian/Sid... [22:09] Whichever that is. [22:09] 408-1 [22:09] I ran mkfs.vfat, so I assume it's that. (how to confirm?) [22:10] damnit, now the drive shows up as empty... [22:12] ok, it seems the stick just broke... [22:12] sectors 256,257,448 broken, at least. [22:12] hey, how lucky am i... [22:13] it still worked when I installed debian. :P [22:13] what does upgrade-manager -d does that aptitude can't do? [22:13] *do [22:13] I mean, once I fixed all the dependency hell by hand. [22:13] The day I'll replace the gfx card with Noveau chipset I'll worry about Noveau support <.< [22:13] Hmm. What about this? [22:14] GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0) [22:14] I get that ~ every time I boot, forces me to press keys before login shows. [22:15] Not sure where to start. Might be ecrypts something. Since when I see that error, I don't get the pretty "waiting for encrypt swap" message. [22:15] badp: apply system migration policies [22:15] what ever that is [22:15] devurandom: I keep having pen drives dying on me, when flashing OSs to them [22:16] cant even find a replacement, I guess that's it for now then. [22:16] either its too abusing in flash , or I have just bad luck [22:16] Thanks anyway! [22:16] but since I only buy kingston, I get life time warranty [22:16] Oh, you just send them back? [22:16] yep [22:16] and get a new one [22:17] I hope that's nothing too important [22:17] I've got Transcend here, maybe that wors, too. [22:17] because that's what I'm going to have to miss [22:17] And I still have some sd card, maybe I can get it to boot from that... [22:17] devurandom: depends your BIOS but its possible [22:19] I'll just enable all possible options and pray. ;) [22:19] BUGabundo: thanks on clarifying their warranty to me [22:19] Samsung N140, in case someone already got experience with that. [22:20] nc10 here and possible ;) [22:20] Tscheesy: What option did you have to enable? [22:21] alex_mayorga: depends what model of cours [22:21] devurandom: boot from * .. enable the slot.. i do not remember the better [22:21] I once tried with Moblin and couldnt get it to boot... [22:21] I carry two in my pocket [22:21] one if already a replacemetne [22:21] my really old one 128MB usb1.1 was replaced TWICE too [22:21] but OT [22:21] :D [22:21] devurandom: SD would even suck more, I would think [22:21] devurandom: but i did the micorsd boot live manually with syslinux [22:22] btw, what was failing the upgrade to happen wasn't the Noveau drivers or more stuff [22:22] BUGabundo: but if it says lifetime, that's how it goes right? [22:22] OO.o is currently broken without the package manager knowing about it it seems [22:22] BUGabundo: suck in which way? [22:22] E: Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle. [22:22] badp: one more depency [22:23] funny enouth I dotn have that one missing [22:23] and I just upgraded [22:23] your system is all messed up, it seems [22:23] did you have many 3rd party repos? [22:23] or weren't fully updated prior to upgrade? [22:23] no, that problem is the only one that the upgrade program ever complained about tbh [22:23] I was fully upgraded before starting [22:24] devurandom: they can be written many less times then Flash [22:24] and when I used aptitude to hand resolve dependencies there were no problems around anything in the whereabouts of OO.o [22:24] my fix was to remove OO.o anyway [22:24] Well it was cheap and I dont have a use for it anyway. [22:24] indeed, the upgrade manager managed to dribble its way around the missing package and whatnot [22:25] And we can summarize: The N140 cannot boot from SD... [22:25] but this problem, which was not apparent to the package manager, borked it all. [22:25] hi [22:25] hey [22:25] Maybe I should just stay with Debian. Less fancy, but it works... [22:25] I'm having some trouble upgrading to lucid using the 'update-notifier-kde -d' method [22:25] is it known to not work for upgrading from 9.10? [22:26] I get the error message: "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade" [22:27] there's a dependency problem [22:28] use aptitude, synaptic or whatever is default on kubuntu to investigate the package [22:28] (I guess?) [22:28] ok [22:29] heh, yes, I had weird issues before, too. [22:29] I still am having them :) [22:29] but hey, that's the beauty of it. [22:29] apt-get, aptitude install, all couldnt help. I only figured out what was wrong when running aptitude, the ncurses iface... [22:29] * badp <3 aptitude [22:30] gn8 [22:31] looking at the log, here's the issue [22:31] Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on kdebase-workspace-bin [22:31] Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 [22:31] Considering kdebase-workspace-bin 10000 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 [22:31] Package kubuntu-desktop has broken Depends on plasma-desktop [22:31] Considering plasma-desktop 1 as a solution to kubuntu-desktop 10000 [22:32] I'll try updating to the 4.4SC ppa [22:32] and then doing he upgrade === Jeruvy_ is now known as Jeruvy [22:37] hey... any chance the kernel in LL is going to be fixed before release so it doesn't blow up on ALL of my computers? [22:37] vexati0n: its not blowing up now [22:37] syke: maybe in #kubuntu+1 [22:37] histo, when was the last time you tested it on my notebook? :P [22:38] vexati0n: haven't but it works fine here on my laptop [22:38] histo, well i tested it on mine 2 days ago and it made the keyboard freak out. [22:38] vexati0n: what kernel? [22:38] wfm [22:38] great an applet took firefox-bin with it :( [22:39] 2.6.32-something. whatever the default is in alpha 3 [22:39] vexati0n: the other option is to install an older version and just wait ont he kernel upgrade if you don't want to mess with testing. [22:39] vexati0n: its an alpha version [22:39] not everything is going to work. [22:39] histo, which is why i asked if any more work is going into the kernel before release. [22:39] vexati0n: oh yea [22:40] we still have betas etc.. before we get to rc's and final [22:40] ant apport says the bug report is 778 MB, how that can be? [22:41] vexati0n: we stil have beta1 and 2 then release canidate [22:42] on the kernel, there's no chance of shipping .33 at all? [22:42] alex_mayorga: huge log [22:43] !release [22:43] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [22:43] alex_mayorga: vexati0n see above for the schedule [22:43] alex_mayorga: vexati0n and feature freeze [22:43] histo: thanks [22:44] histo: just because its alpha doesn't mean it shouldn't work [22:44] just that it may not work! [22:44] or eat all your kittens or delete your data! [22:45] so make backups of data , and clones of kittens [22:45] THis being an LTS the focus is on bug squashing and stability [22:46] why not going with the latest released kernel then? [22:46] so much for the release sync SABDFL was touting [22:47] I probably messed up the acronym, sorry [22:47] seems like 10.04 is more than just bugfixes and stability improvements though. they'r obviously making a lot of very big changes under the hood as well. [22:47] the alpha is already in feature freeze phase, alex_mayorga [22:48] too late for that [22:48] no more init, no more hal, integrating Ubuntu One, etc. [22:48] gnome-keyring-d is being a bit of a problem logging back in from screensaver [22:48] changing it now would result in all kinds of bugs. Now there will be patches to the current one [22:48] * n4cht is quite enjoying the alpha so far. [22:49] I love it to the boot speed increases are nice. Hopefully someof the suspend issues are fixed haven't updated in a while on this laptop. Downloading now to install on a different one. [22:50] I wonder how many of the current bugs would be fixed by the newer kernel, is there any way to approximate the #? [22:50] * alex_mayorga is not complaining of alpha [22:51] i haven't installed on my laptop yet. just my desktop system, so the suspend issues aren't a bother to me. my laptop is running gentoo, but i'm about to install slackware on it. [22:51] unlockling luks via dropbear doesnt seem to work anylonger. are there any other methods to unlock the / via ssh? [22:57] nFxus: you mean something like "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sca2_crypt"? [23:01] sec... having issues with xchat [23:01] brb [23:03] what i am doing is this [23:03] http://howtoforge.com/unlock-a-luks-encrypted-root-partition-via-ssh-on-ubuntu [23:04] with the new rls of dropbear using that script is no longer needed.. dropbear has added that function by default [23:05] however with Lucid.. dropbear no longer works with crypt and unlocking the / durring boot [23:05] so.. was looking to get some insite or help on the matter.. [23:09] sudo apt-get autoremove failed to remove old kernels. :\ [23:09] AtomicSpark: sudo aptitude autoclean ? [23:12] It's because of this linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-14-generic [23:12] Trying to remove that removes a bunch of drivers. [23:12] Yay. [23:23] what is the stronges encryption that can be used durring the install of Lucid? [23:23] strongest* [23:27] nFxus: Encrypted LVM protects everything but your kernel. Which you can store on a removable device. Perfect for the crazies. [23:36] what are the advantages to using LVM or LVM2?.. I will be setting up a Raid6 with 16 1.5TB drives. I will be using a 2GB SSD IDE card for the OS.. any advise is welcome. Current thoughts are 100MB /boot 2GB crypted / Raid6's /home/userdir/r1&r2 [23:37] both raid6's will be crypted as well [23:38] i would like to make the root / .. readonly.. to prolong the life of the ssd card. [23:40] at the same time I would like to use Lucid so that I am 1up .. I have to install the ssd and ship to datacenter. so this has to be prep'ed so to speak [23:40] anyone have idea's... did I get some gears turning [23:41] btw.. I have looked at ALL kinds of tut's out there. So I have readme knowlage but.. human knowlage is better if anyone whats to chip in [23:42] guest session crashing for anyine else if you try to start it from "quit" menu(top right corner)?