| zniavre | good morning | 07:44 |
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| knome | morning | 07:44 |
| zniavre | is it thinkable (now we get rounded menus and all) to get text zone rounded too ? | 08:05 |
| thorwil | vish: to my understanding, in gtk there is only one set of states regarding how a button is rendered. that means prelight is exclusive, can't be combined with either on or off | 08:19 |
| vish | thorwil: yup , wasnt that what i said too :) | 08:20 |
| vish | thorwil: something new needs to be done in murrine to differentiate the two forms of prelight | 08:20 |
| vish | meh , i dont expect Cimi would fix it though ;p | 08:21 |
| thorwil | vish: that would be the workaround. the real solution would be to get some sense into gtk | 08:21 |
| vish | thorwil: ha , even tougher to change something in gtk ;) | 08:22 |
| knome | hey thorwil :) you going to come to london on Wed? | 09:02 |
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| thorwil | http://cache1.emptees.com/images/118011/emptees_ninja.jpg | 11:33 |
| troy_s | thorwil: What's up Thor? | 17:36 |
| thorwil | troy_s: huge empty space with some free floating oranges. ice bears are dancing on them | 17:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Cool. | 17:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I'd sprinkle some blue in there. | 17:38 |
| thorwil | troy_s: that's amazing, as the empty space is actually dark blue | 17:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Any interesting news? | 17:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I'm pzyschic. | 17:38 |
| thorwil | troy_s: nope | 17:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Actually, there is an interesting new study. They gave Paracetum Inkscape and they cranked out a GNOME 3 theme. | 17:39 |
| * thorwil has to look up paracetum | 17:42 | |
| thorwil | troy_s: 272 hits. misspelled such that google doesn't offer the right way? | 17:43 |
| troy_s | thorwil: LOL. Yes indeed. Bacteria. | 17:43 |
| thorwil | troy_s: bacteria do design by amoeba? ;) | 17:45 |
| thorwil | http://www.walkingdead.net/perl/euphemism | 17:57 |
| thorwil | troy_s: seems i decided to start my company in estonia/finland: http://www.thorwil.com/ | 18:00 |
| troy_s | Oh what luck. | 18:01 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You are a building company. | 18:01 |
| troy_s | thorwil: How cool. | 18:01 |
| * thorwil goes hunting for dinner and hopes it won't move too much | 18:01 | |
| thorwil | plop | 18:33 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i'm actually aware of that since years. i think it even used to show up on a google search, but i buried them | 18:35 |
| thorwil | Equiet: just saw over in gnome-design that there's an in-progress ruby-on-rails implementation of Mairin's design-hub-kinda-thing | 18:43 |
| Equiet | thorwil: I have already seen that. | 18:44 |
| Equiet | Hopefully, they will at least notice my proposal. | 18:45 |
| thorwil | http://www.uie.com/articles/critique/ | 19:13 |
| kwwii | thorwil: nice | 19:26 |
| knome | hey kwwii ;) | 19:35 |
| kwwii | hi knome | 19:36 |
| thorwil | in a bit less than 20 minutes, there will be the EMEA membership board meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. guess who will be a topic :) | 19:42 |
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| troy_s | thorwil: You get it? | 20:22 |
| knome | thorwil, ping! :) | 20:22 |
| knome | thorwil, i'll be there to cheer for you. | 20:22 |
| knome | troy_s, they're only just starting the meeting | 20:23 |
| thorwil | knome: cool, ty | 20:23 |
| knome | thorwil, congrats :) | 20:27 |
| thorwil | thanks, knome, troy_s | 20:27 |
| troy_s | Woop | 20:27 |
| knome | thorwil, Investigate the use of the Google App Engine to write a tool that helps with selecting wallpapers from the Flickr pool (Flickr itself lacks features that would make this a lot easier) | 20:34 |
| knome | thorwil, what would that mean? | 20:34 |
| thorwil | knome: last time we had several of the design team and 3 community members going through the submissions | 20:35 |
| thorwil | troy_s was one of them | 20:35 |
| knome | thorwil, yeah? so how should that be easier? | 20:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I was just cheering the result. | 20:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I am not an Ubuntu member and have no such aspirations. I am just happy to see you get something you desire. | 20:36 |
| thorwil | knome: to invite submissions to another flickr group. that was the shortlist | 20:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And uh yes... I doubt I shall be extended that role this time around :) | 20:36 |
| knome | thorwil, okay. wouldn't the flickr api make that readily possible? | 20:37 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i just called you a community member in that context :) | 20:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I actually have some seriously deep issues with the whole fscking contest crap anyways, and it is about time I focus on standing by them. | 20:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: No - I know you know. I just wanted to be clear. :) | 20:37 |
| troy_s | Never fear... they shall continue. | 20:37 |
| thorwil | knome: what i wanted to explain: even building that shortlist required what is basically a hack | 20:38 |
| knome | thorwil, umh, okay | 20:38 |
| knome | thorwil, so you'd like to be able to...? | 20:38 |
| thorwil | knome: plus no possibility to search for license within the pool | 20:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The _proper_ approach that works for just about everyone with a browser would be to use montage. | 20:38 |
| knome | troy_s, i don't know about pools, but you can use http://compfight.com/ to search by license | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: As in explicitly bind all of them to a licence on pushing (Launchpad does this) | 20:39 |
| knome | thorwil, ^ | 20:39 |
| knome | thorwil, probably if you search by the pool name, you'll get the pool results | 20:39 |
| thorwil | knome: simply marking of images to add them to the shortlist | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: And have a backend script run that pulls in the work, montages the results, and provides a SINGLE jpg image of the thumbnails that is easily viewable on the wiki. | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: No need for extra crap. | 20:39 |
| thorwil | knome: having the results of all participants collected an shown on a page | 20:39 |
| knome | thorwil, should the shortlist be something that would have to be on flickr? | 20:39 |
| troy_s | knome: Problem isn't license searching - it is providing of work with a license explicitly stated. | 20:40 |
| thorwil | knome: no | 20:40 |
| troy_s | knome: That _must_ be _forced_ at the very first click. | 20:40 |
| vish | damn it! i missed it :/ i wanted to -1 thorwil ;p stupid movie had me distracted.. | 20:40 |
| troy_s | knome: Many don't get licenses and don't care. | 20:40 |
| thorwil | vish: heh, thanks nonetheless | 20:40 |
| vish | thorwil: yay , congrats , we both are back to back :D | 20:40 |
| troy_s | vish: How goes Manual? | 20:41 |
| vish | no pun intended ;) | 20:41 |
| vish | troy_s: its a bit on hold lately | 20:41 |
| knome | troy_s, yeah.. | 20:41 |
| troy_s | vish: That's stinky. | 20:42 |
| troy_s | knome: First up, before _any_ evaluation, needs to be the highest level stop measure - license. | 20:42 |
| troy_s | knome: From there, you can bicker and wander aimlessly for empty terms such as 'professional', 'beautiful', 'ugly', etc. | 20:42 |
| knome | ;) | 20:43 |
| troy_s | knome: Although I'd probably suggest that a second level filter would be raw image quality in terms of pixel resolution. From there it gets into abstract things about quality of sensor (Yellow / Magenta spectrum dispersion off of the sensor micro-lenses or RGB dispersion off of the lens) | 20:44 |
| knome | troy_s, okay | 20:44 |
| troy_s | knome: But license is obviously the first blocker. | 20:44 |
| thorwil | knome: while i do see all the same issues troy_s mentions, i'm more willing to make the 70% solution happen instead of going all or nothing :) | 20:44 |
| troy_s | thorwil: As I was saying though - you can pretty much avoid all of that if someone figures out some sort of attachment system for bzr. | 20:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Because I know for certain that explicit license issue is already present. | 20:45 |
| knome | thorwil, hehe, okay :) | 20:45 |
| thorwil | troy_s: yes and no. there could be much better infrastructure. but flickr is so widely known, it adds pull | 20:46 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Weigh it out. A web interface is all that is required. Seems to me that Flickr, for all of the upside, makes for chasing after people after-the-fact. No high resolution uploads, same issues of CC, etc. | 20:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: But I doubt anyone has prioritised the _needs_ of such a system before they head out and start pushing pixels around showing off mock ups. | 20:48 |
| thorwil | troy_s: there's a lot in my head about that and it's almost all architecture, not layouts ;) | 20:48 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I would hope that anyone interested would be able to load a webpage. | 20:49 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I don't know exactly what Flickr brings to the table other than 'Oh I know Flickr'... maybe existing hobby photographers? | 20:50 |
| thorwil | troy_s: many people already having an account is quite a big thing | 20:50 |
| thorwil | troy_s: of course lowering the hurdles also means you see much that can't be serious | 20:51 |
| thorwil | troy_s: even if there's not a single photo in the pool where you'd say it is all that i should be, i still think the outcome of last round was one of the best things happening in ubuntu-artwork. don't forget that people seem to enjoy it | 20:53 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Yeah I don't really know where I sit on that. It ultimately will distill down to the "Who is picking" and that really can make all of the contest rubbish moot when there is a much bigger issue at hand (not that the contest isn't entirely wtf are we doing) | 20:54 |
| thorwil | cue "this says more about the overall quality/expectations than about that set of photos" ;) | 20:54 |
| troy_s | thorwil: But realistically this has been tried so many times before. The showstopper was high up the foodchain. | 20:55 |
| thorwil | troy_s: please put on idea onto brainstorm: "remove the showstopper at the top of the foodchain" | 20:56 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It doesn't take a genius to realize that HEY there needs to be some sort of COLOUR in there. Christ... a random spattering of idiots could have figured that out. It just adds a sense of diversity and it makes for at least an _option_ in there for those that aren't visually impaired. | 20:56 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Lol. | 20:56 |
| thorwil | tastf - troy appointed showstopper at the top of the foodchain | 20:59 |
| troy_s | thorwil: ? WTF is tastf? | 21:01 |
| thorwil | acronym - expanded, sheesh | 21:02 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I GOOGLED DAMN YOU | 21:02 |
| thorwil | lol | 21:02 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i hope you found nothing nsfw ... unless you like to | 21:03 |
| knome | lol | 21:03 |
| troy_s | thorwil: No found nothing. | 21:06 |
| thorwil | that's awesome for a 5 character string | 21:07 |
| thorwil | enough for another day, good night / cya! :) | 21:11 |
| knome | night th | 21:11 |
| knome | thhhhh | 21:11 |
| knome | :P | 21:11 |
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