[07:44] good morning [07:44] morning [08:05] is it thinkable (now we get rounded menus and all) to get text zone rounded too ? [08:19] vish: to my understanding, in gtk there is only one set of states regarding how a button is rendered. that means prelight is exclusive, can't be combined with either on or off [08:20] thorwil: yup , wasnt that what i said too :) [08:20] thorwil: something new needs to be done in murrine to differentiate the two forms of prelight [08:21] meh , i dont expect Cimi would fix it though ;p [08:21] vish: that would be the workaround. the real solution would be to get some sense into gtk [08:22] thorwil: ha , even tougher to change something in gtk ;) [09:02] hey thorwil :) you going to come to london on Wed? === huayra_ is now known as huayra [11:33] http://cache1.emptees.com/images/118011/emptees_ninja.jpg [17:36] thorwil: What's up Thor? [17:37] troy_s: huge empty space with some free floating oranges. ice bears are dancing on them [17:38] thorwil: Cool. [17:38] thorwil: I'd sprinkle some blue in there. [17:38] troy_s: that's amazing, as the empty space is actually dark blue [17:38] thorwil: Any interesting news? [17:38] thorwil: I'm pzyschic. [17:38] troy_s: nope [17:39] thorwil: Actually, there is an interesting new study. They gave Paracetum Inkscape and they cranked out a GNOME 3 theme. [17:42] * thorwil has to look up paracetum [17:43] troy_s: 272 hits. misspelled such that google doesn't offer the right way? [17:43] thorwil: LOL. Yes indeed. Bacteria. [17:45] troy_s: bacteria do design by amoeba? ;) [17:57] http://www.walkingdead.net/perl/euphemism [18:00] troy_s: seems i decided to start my company in estonia/finland: http://www.thorwil.com/ [18:01] Oh what luck. [18:01] thorwil: You are a building company. [18:01] thorwil: How cool. [18:01] * thorwil goes hunting for dinner and hopes it won't move too much [18:33] plop [18:35] troy_s: i'm actually aware of that since years. i think it even used to show up on a google search, but i buried them [18:43] Equiet: just saw over in gnome-design that there's an in-progress ruby-on-rails implementation of Mairin's design-hub-kinda-thing [18:44] thorwil: I have already seen that. [18:45] Hopefully, they will at least notice my proposal. [19:13] http://www.uie.com/articles/critique/ [19:26] thorwil: nice [19:35] hey kwwii ;) [19:36] hi knome [19:42] in a bit less than 20 minutes, there will be the EMEA membership board meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. guess who will be a topic :) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [20:22] thorwil: You get it? [20:22] thorwil, ping! :) [20:22] thorwil, i'll be there to cheer for you. [20:23] troy_s, they're only just starting the meeting [20:23] knome: cool, ty [20:27] thorwil, congrats :) [20:27] thanks, knome, troy_s [20:27] Woop [20:34] thorwil, Investigate the use of the Google App Engine to write a tool that helps with selecting wallpapers from the Flickr pool (Flickr itself lacks features that would make this a lot easier) [20:34] thorwil, what would that mean? [20:35] knome: last time we had several of the design team and 3 community members going through the submissions [20:35] troy_s was one of them [20:35] thorwil, yeah? so how should that be easier? [20:35] thorwil: I was just cheering the result. [20:36] thorwil: I am not an Ubuntu member and have no such aspirations. I am just happy to see you get something you desire. [20:36] knome: to invite submissions to another flickr group. that was the shortlist [20:36] thorwil: And uh yes... I doubt I shall be extended that role this time around :) [20:37] thorwil, okay. wouldn't the flickr api make that readily possible? [20:37] troy_s: i just called you a community member in that context :) [20:37] thorwil: I actually have some seriously deep issues with the whole fscking contest crap anyways, and it is about time I focus on standing by them. [20:37] thorwil: No - I know you know. I just wanted to be clear. :) [20:37] Never fear... they shall continue. [20:38] knome: what i wanted to explain: even building that shortlist required what is basically a hack [20:38] thorwil, umh, okay [20:38] thorwil, so you'd like to be able to...? [20:38] knome: plus no possibility to search for license within the pool [20:38] thorwil: The _proper_ approach that works for just about everyone with a browser would be to use montage. [20:39] troy_s, i don't know about pools, but you can use http://compfight.com/ to search by license [20:39] thorwil: As in explicitly bind all of them to a licence on pushing (Launchpad does this) [20:39] thorwil, ^ [20:39] thorwil, probably if you search by the pool name, you'll get the pool results [20:39] knome: simply marking of images to add them to the shortlist [20:39] thorwil: And have a backend script run that pulls in the work, montages the results, and provides a SINGLE jpg image of the thumbnails that is easily viewable on the wiki. [20:39] thorwil: No need for extra crap. [20:39] knome: having the results of all participants collected an shown on a page [20:39] thorwil, should the shortlist be something that would have to be on flickr? [20:40] knome: Problem isn't license searching - it is providing of work with a license explicitly stated. [20:40] knome: no [20:40] knome: That _must_ be _forced_ at the very first click. [20:40] damn it! i missed it :/ i wanted to -1 thorwil ;p stupid movie had me distracted.. [20:40] knome: Many don't get licenses and don't care. [20:40] vish: heh, thanks nonetheless [20:40] thorwil: yay , congrats , we both are back to back :D [20:41] vish: How goes Manual? [20:41] no pun intended ;) [20:41] troy_s: its a bit on hold lately [20:41] troy_s, yeah.. [20:42] vish: That's stinky. [20:42] knome: First up, before _any_ evaluation, needs to be the highest level stop measure - license. [20:42] knome: From there, you can bicker and wander aimlessly for empty terms such as 'professional', 'beautiful', 'ugly', etc. [20:43] ;) [20:44] knome: Although I'd probably suggest that a second level filter would be raw image quality in terms of pixel resolution. From there it gets into abstract things about quality of sensor (Yellow / Magenta spectrum dispersion off of the sensor micro-lenses or RGB dispersion off of the lens) [20:44] troy_s, okay [20:44] knome: But license is obviously the first blocker. [20:44] knome: while i do see all the same issues troy_s mentions, i'm more willing to make the 70% solution happen instead of going all or nothing :) [20:45] thorwil: As I was saying though - you can pretty much avoid all of that if someone figures out some sort of attachment system for bzr. [20:45] thorwil: Because I know for certain that explicit license issue is already present. [20:45] thorwil, hehe, okay :) [20:46] troy_s: yes and no. there could be much better infrastructure. but flickr is so widely known, it adds pull [20:47] thorwil: Weigh it out. A web interface is all that is required. Seems to me that Flickr, for all of the upside, makes for chasing after people after-the-fact. No high resolution uploads, same issues of CC, etc. [20:48] thorwil: But I doubt anyone has prioritised the _needs_ of such a system before they head out and start pushing pixels around showing off mock ups. [20:48] troy_s: there's a lot in my head about that and it's almost all architecture, not layouts ;) [20:49] thorwil: I would hope that anyone interested would be able to load a webpage. [20:50] thorwil: I don't know exactly what Flickr brings to the table other than 'Oh I know Flickr'... maybe existing hobby photographers? [20:50] troy_s: many people already having an account is quite a big thing [20:51] troy_s: of course lowering the hurdles also means you see much that can't be serious [20:53] troy_s: even if there's not a single photo in the pool where you'd say it is all that i should be, i still think the outcome of last round was one of the best things happening in ubuntu-artwork. don't forget that people seem to enjoy it [20:54] thorwil: Yeah I don't really know where I sit on that. It ultimately will distill down to the "Who is picking" and that really can make all of the contest rubbish moot when there is a much bigger issue at hand (not that the contest isn't entirely wtf are we doing) [20:54] cue "this says more about the overall quality/expectations than about that set of photos" ;) [20:55] thorwil: But realistically this has been tried so many times before. The showstopper was high up the foodchain. [20:56] troy_s: please put on idea onto brainstorm: "remove the showstopper at the top of the foodchain" [20:56] thorwil: It doesn't take a genius to realize that HEY there needs to be some sort of COLOUR in there. Christ... a random spattering of idiots could have figured that out. It just adds a sense of diversity and it makes for at least an _option_ in there for those that aren't visually impaired. [20:56] thorwil: Lol. [20:59] tastf - troy appointed showstopper at the top of the foodchain [21:01] thorwil: ? WTF is tastf? [21:02] acronym - expanded, sheesh [21:02] thorwil: I GOOGLED DAMN YOU [21:02] lol [21:03] troy_s: i hope you found nothing nsfw ... unless you like to [21:03] lol [21:06] thorwil: No found nothing. [21:07] that's awesome for a 5 character string [21:11] enough for another day, good night / cya! :) [21:11] night th [21:11] thhhhh [21:11] :P