[07:44] <zniavre> good morning
[07:44] <knome> morning
[08:05] <zniavre> is it thinkable (now we get rounded menus and all) to get text zone rounded too ?
[08:19] <thorwil> vish: to my understanding, in gtk there is only one set of states regarding how a button is rendered. that means prelight is exclusive, can't be combined with either on or off
[08:20] <vish> thorwil: yup , wasnt that what i said too   :)
[08:20] <vish> thorwil: something new needs to be done in murrine to differentiate the two forms of prelight
[08:21] <vish> meh , i dont expect Cimi would fix it though ;p
[08:21] <thorwil> vish: that would be the workaround. the real solution would be to get some sense into gtk
[08:22] <vish> thorwil: ha , even tougher to change something in gtk  ;)
[09:02] <knome> hey thorwil :) you going to come to london on Wed?
[11:33] <thorwil> http://cache1.emptees.com/images/118011/emptees_ninja.jpg
[17:36] <troy_s> thorwil: What's up Thor?
[17:37] <thorwil> troy_s: huge empty space with some free floating oranges. ice bears are dancing on them
[17:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Cool.
[17:38] <troy_s> thorwil: I'd sprinkle some blue in there.
[17:38] <thorwil> troy_s: that's amazing, as the empty space is actually dark blue
[17:38] <troy_s> thorwil: Any interesting news?
[17:38] <troy_s> thorwil: I'm pzyschic.
[17:38] <thorwil> troy_s: nope
[17:39] <troy_s> thorwil: Actually, there is an interesting new study. They gave Paracetum Inkscape and they cranked out a GNOME 3 theme.
[17:42]  * thorwil has to look up paracetum
[17:43] <thorwil> troy_s: 272 hits. misspelled such that google doesn't offer the right way?
[17:43] <troy_s> thorwil: LOL. Yes indeed. Bacteria.
[17:45] <thorwil> troy_s: bacteria do design by amoeba? ;)
[17:57] <thorwil> http://www.walkingdead.net/perl/euphemism
[18:00] <thorwil> troy_s: seems i decided to start my company in estonia/finland: http://www.thorwil.com/
[18:01] <troy_s> Oh what luck.
[18:01] <troy_s> thorwil: You are a building company.
[18:01] <troy_s> thorwil: How cool.
[18:01]  * thorwil goes hunting for dinner and hopes it won't move too much
[18:33] <thorwil> plop
[18:35] <thorwil> troy_s: i'm actually aware of that since years. i think it even used to show up on a google search, but i buried them
[18:43] <thorwil> Equiet: just saw over in gnome-design that there's an in-progress ruby-on-rails implementation of Mairin's design-hub-kinda-thing
[18:44] <Equiet> thorwil: I have already seen that.
[18:45] <Equiet> Hopefully, they will at least notice my proposal.
[19:13] <thorwil> http://www.uie.com/articles/critique/
[19:26] <kwwii> thorwil: nice
[19:35] <knome> hey kwwii ;)
[19:36] <kwwii> hi knome
[19:42] <thorwil> in a bit less than 20 minutes, there will be the EMEA membership board meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. guess who will be a topic :)
[20:22] <troy_s> thorwil: You get it?
[20:22] <knome> thorwil, ping! :)
[20:22] <knome> thorwil, i'll be there to cheer for you.
[20:23] <knome> troy_s, they're only just starting the meeting
[20:23] <thorwil> knome: cool, ty
[20:27] <knome> thorwil, congrats :)
[20:27] <thorwil> thanks, knome, troy_s
[20:27] <troy_s> Woop
[20:34] <knome> thorwil, Investigate the use of the Google App Engine to write a tool that helps with selecting wallpapers from the Flickr pool (Flickr itself lacks features that would make this a lot easier)
[20:34] <knome> thorwil, what would that mean?
[20:35] <thorwil> knome: last time we had several of the design team and 3 community members going through the submissions
[20:35] <thorwil> troy_s was one of them
[20:35] <knome> thorwil, yeah? so how should that be easier?
[20:35] <troy_s> thorwil: I was just cheering the result.
[20:36] <troy_s> thorwil: I am not an Ubuntu member and have no such aspirations. I am just happy to see you get something you desire.
[20:36] <thorwil> knome: to invite submissions to another flickr group. that was the shortlist
[20:36] <troy_s> thorwil: And uh yes... I doubt I shall be extended that role this time around :)
[20:37] <knome> thorwil, okay. wouldn't the flickr api make that readily possible?
[20:37] <thorwil> troy_s: i just called you a community member in that context :)
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: I actually have some seriously deep issues with the whole fscking contest crap anyways, and it is about time I focus on standing by them.
[20:37] <troy_s> thorwil: No - I know you know. I just wanted to be clear. :)
[20:37] <troy_s> Never fear... they shall continue.
[20:38] <thorwil> knome: what i wanted to explain: even building that shortlist required what is basically a hack
[20:38] <knome> thorwil, umh, okay
[20:38] <knome> thorwil, so you'd like to be able to...?
[20:38] <thorwil> knome: plus no possibility to search for license within the pool
[20:38] <troy_s> thorwil: The _proper_ approach that works for just about everyone with a browser would be to use montage.
[20:39] <knome> troy_s, i don't know about pools, but you can use http://compfight.com/ to search by license
[20:39] <troy_s> thorwil: As in explicitly bind all of them to a licence on pushing (Launchpad does this)
[20:39] <knome> thorwil, ^
[20:39] <knome> thorwil, probably if you search by the pool name, you'll get the pool results
[20:39] <thorwil> knome: simply marking of images to add them to the shortlist
[20:39] <troy_s> thorwil: And have a backend script run that pulls in the work, montages the results, and provides a SINGLE jpg image of the thumbnails that is easily viewable on the wiki.
[20:39] <troy_s> thorwil: No need for extra crap.
[20:39] <thorwil> knome: having the results of all participants collected an shown on a page
[20:39] <knome> thorwil, should the shortlist be something that would have to be on flickr?
[20:40] <troy_s> knome: Problem isn't license searching - it is providing of work with a license explicitly stated.
[20:40] <thorwil> knome: no
[20:40] <troy_s> knome: That _must_ be _forced_ at the very first click.
[20:40] <vish> damn it! i missed it :/  i wanted to -1 thorwil  ;p     stupid movie had me distracted..
[20:40] <troy_s> knome: Many don't get licenses and don't care.
[20:40] <thorwil> vish: heh, thanks nonetheless
[20:40] <vish> thorwil: yay , congrats , we both are back to back :D
[20:41] <troy_s> vish: How goes Manual?
[20:41] <vish> no pun intended ;)
[20:41] <vish> troy_s: its a bit on hold lately
[20:41] <knome> troy_s, yeah..
[20:42] <troy_s> vish: That's stinky.
[20:42] <troy_s> knome: First up, before _any_ evaluation, needs to be the highest level stop measure - license.
[20:42] <troy_s> knome: From there, you can bicker and wander aimlessly for empty terms such as 'professional', 'beautiful', 'ugly', etc.
[20:43] <knome> ;)
[20:44] <troy_s> knome: Although I'd probably suggest that a second level filter would be raw image quality in terms of pixel resolution. From there it gets into abstract things about quality of sensor (Yellow / Magenta spectrum dispersion off of the sensor micro-lenses or RGB dispersion off of the lens)
[20:44] <knome> troy_s, okay
[20:44] <troy_s> knome: But license is obviously the first blocker.
[20:44] <thorwil> knome: while i do see all the same issues troy_s mentions, i'm more willing to make the 70% solution happen instead of going all or nothing :)
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: As I was saying though - you can pretty much avoid all of that if someone figures out some sort of attachment system for bzr.
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: Because I know for certain that explicit license issue is already present.
[20:45] <knome> thorwil, hehe, okay :)
[20:46] <thorwil> troy_s: yes and no. there could be much better infrastructure. but flickr is so widely known, it adds pull
[20:47] <troy_s> thorwil: Weigh it out. A web interface is all that is required. Seems to me that Flickr, for all of the upside, makes for chasing after people after-the-fact. No high resolution uploads, same issues of CC, etc.
[20:48] <troy_s> thorwil: But I doubt anyone has prioritised the _needs_ of such a system before they head out and start pushing pixels around showing off mock ups.
[20:48] <thorwil> troy_s: there's a lot in my head about that and it's almost all architecture, not layouts ;)
[20:49] <troy_s> thorwil: I would hope that anyone interested would be able to load a webpage.
[20:50] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know exactly what Flickr brings to the table other than 'Oh I know Flickr'... maybe existing hobby photographers?
[20:50] <thorwil> troy_s: many people already having an account is quite a big thing
[20:51] <thorwil> troy_s: of course lowering the hurdles also means you see much that can't be serious
[20:53] <thorwil> troy_s: even if there's not a single photo in the pool where you'd say it is all that i should be, i still think the outcome of last round was one of the best things happening in ubuntu-artwork. don't forget that people seem to enjoy it
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: Yeah I don't really know where I sit on that. It ultimately will distill down to the "Who is picking" and that really can make all of the contest rubbish moot when there is a much bigger issue at hand (not that the contest isn't entirely wtf are we doing)
[20:54] <thorwil> cue "this says more about the overall quality/expectations than about that set of photos" ;)
[20:55] <troy_s> thorwil: But realistically this has been tried so many times before. The showstopper was high up the foodchain.
[20:56] <thorwil> troy_s: please put on idea onto brainstorm: "remove the showstopper at the top of the foodchain"
[20:56] <troy_s> thorwil: It doesn't take a genius to realize that HEY there needs to be some sort of COLOUR in there. Christ... a random spattering of idiots could have figured that out. It just adds a sense of diversity and it makes for at least an _option_ in there for those that aren't visually impaired.
[20:56] <troy_s> thorwil: Lol.
[20:59] <thorwil> tastf - troy appointed showstopper at the top of the foodchain
[21:01] <troy_s> thorwil: ? WTF is tastf?
[21:02] <thorwil> acronym - expanded, sheesh
[21:02] <troy_s> thorwil: I GOOGLED DAMN YOU
[21:02] <thorwil> lol
[21:03] <thorwil> troy_s: i hope you found nothing nsfw ... unless you like to
[21:03] <knome> lol
[21:06] <troy_s> thorwil: No found nothing.
[21:07] <thorwil> that's awesome for a 5 character string
[21:11] <thorwil> enough for another day, good night / cya! :)
[21:11] <knome> night th
[21:11] <knome> thhhhh
[21:11] <knome> :P