[01:05] is anybody seeing gpm crashes at startup? [01:06] not me [01:06] i've just seen like 5 new bug reports in a row, since i did an upload earlier [01:06] but they've all failed to retrace, and i cant recreate it [01:06] ah, I won't have upgraded to that yet [01:06] james_w - please try :) [01:06] wilko [01:08] chrisccoulson: Is it a crash when they press enter for the first time? [01:09] RAOF, from the bug reports i've seen, gpm is just plain crashing as soon as it loads [01:09] without having to do anything [01:09] * RAOF can't immediately blame it on plymouth, then. [01:10] right, i've got a clue whats going on now and why i don't see it [01:10] the HAL brightness code changed, and my laptop doesn't use HAL for brightness [01:14] cj - did you just report a gnome-power-manager crash? [01:16] gpm fine after a session restart here [01:17] we must be pretty unlucky [01:17] the reports are flooding in now ;) [01:17] is it the g_type_create_instance one? [01:17] james_w - yeah [01:18] pretty odd stacktrace [01:18] you could create an apport pattern for it to catch the duplicate flood [01:18] the retraces are failing because the dbgsym package isn't on ddebs yet [01:18] hah [01:18] if i could find someone to recreate it, i will send them the debug symbols ;) [01:19] it's at times like this you marvel at the efficiency of our QA process :-) [01:19] the ones I'm looking at haven't been tagged failed-retrace [01:21] /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/gnome-power-bugreport: 80: devkit-power: not found [01:21] * TheMuso is on a desktop when at home so not likely to be bitten by this bug. [01:21] I haven't updated yet either. [01:22] james_w - oh, that needs updating to upower [01:22] yeah [01:22] probably not related [01:22] otherwise we would likely see it too [01:24] i'm going to just diff the whole gpm source [01:24] i might spot something there [01:24] chrisccoulson: I don't think so. not unless it was automatically reported. [01:25] chrisccoulson: sounds like something I would have reported, though [01:25] cj - you're not the reporter of bug 530364 then? [01:25] Launchpad bug 530364 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530364 [01:27] chrisccoulson: not me. https://launchpad.net/~cjcollier <- me [01:28] heh, sorry, wrong person then ;) [01:28] np [01:29] ah, spotted it anyway [01:30] you found the bug? [01:31] james_w - yeah, an uninitialized GError in the HAL brightness initialization [01:31] thats why i don't see it [01:31] nice catch [01:32] is that the undeclared one that caused the ftbfs? [01:32] james_w - yeah, i added in the declaration to fix the FTBFS, but forgot to initialize it ;)O [01:32] so, thats sort-of my fault [01:32] :-) [01:46] Gotta love those brown paper bag bugs. :p === bjf is now known as bjf-afk [07:13] Good morning [07:31] morning pitti :) [07:33] hey nigel_nb [07:34] hello, having a good week so far? [07:35] yes, indeed! how are you? [07:37] not bad. In fact a great week :) [07:39] fixing an mplayer bug now. [07:39] but it seems to have build troubles ugh! [07:45] pitti: ping re: metacity (1:2.28.1-0ubuntu2) lucid [07:45] kermiac: hi! what about metacity? [07:45] a number of people have "run a terminal" defaulting to ALT+T, not CTRL+ALT+T [07:46] any ideas? [07:46] you mean they set it to that manually? [07:46] no, it is defaulting to that [07:46] gconftool -g /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_terminal [07:47] ? [07:47] in my case I have a stock standard alpha 3 with all updates & it is defaulting to that [07:47] ok, 1 sec [07:49] pitti: that command returns T [07:51] kermiac: can you please pastebin the output of [07:51] gconftool -a --ignore-schema-defaults /apps/metacity/global_keybindings [07:52] ok, 1 sec again :) [07:53] kermiac: and check the output of [07:53] grep -B 1 run_command_terminal /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml [07:56] pitti: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/fNxXL9fj [07:56] sorry for being slow, got to C&P between karmic & lucid puters [07:56] kermiac: oops, can you please redo the last one with -B2? [07:56] ok, will do [07:57] kermiac: no need to copy&paste it, just check whether it says "<Shift><Alt>Tab" [07:57] argh, screw me [07:57] kermiac: ignore my previous lines [07:57] kermiac: so, please do that with -A1 [07:57] instead of -B2 [07:57] kermiac: and check whether it says "<Ctrl><Alt>T" [07:58] kermiac: or is missing the "<Ctrl>" bit [07:59] pitti: says no file or directory. can you please give me the whole command again to ensure I input correctly? [07:59] grep -A1 run_command_terminal /var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml [08:01] ok, that returns the string value above [08:01] ok, so it looks like the value got changed in your local gconf tree [08:02] kermiac: grep -r run_command_terminal ~/.gconf [08:02] does that output anything? [08:03] /home/kermiac/.gconf/apps/metacity/global_keybindings/%gconf.xml: [08:03] that should've been 2 separate line [08:03] right, and that is Alt-T [08:03] as the gconftool output from above showed [08:04] * kermiac is in over his head [08:04] kermiac: can you replicate this in the guest session or with a new user? did you ever open/change the keyboard shortcuts dialog? [08:04] I have not changed any settings. Also this behaviour has been experienced by at least 3 other people. [08:04] kermiac: oh, I assume you are running compiz? (with desktop effects0 [08:04] I will try in a gues session [08:05] um, whatever is default atm [08:05] I think compiz reads hte metacity keybindings and does something funky with them [08:05] yes, I guess that's compiz. want me to try with desktop effects totally disabled? [08:06] kermiac: it wouldn't help for your user, because your per-user gconf setting is already customized [08:06] kermiac: what you could try is to unset the key for you with [08:06] gconftool -u /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_terminal [08:06] then you should have ctrl+alt+t back [08:06] and then see what you have to do to get back alt+t [08:06] ok, I'll try it [08:07] ok, that removed the ALT+T binding [08:08] but CTRL+ALT+T isn't working [08:08] I think you have to restart your session for compiz to notice [08:08] ok, 1 sec [08:09] Amaranth: ^ how/when does compiz evaluate the metacity keybinding gconf settings? [08:09] good morning [08:09] Amaranth: I'm not sure how this can happen (forgetting the modifier), any idea? [08:09] didrocks: bonjour monsieur! [08:09] pitti: ok, after restarting the session ALT+T is back [08:10] Guten Tag pitti :) [08:10] kermiac: and grep -r run_command_terminal ~/.gconf gives output again, I suppose? [08:10] 1 sec [08:10] kermiac: ok, thanks; would you mind reporting a bug against compiz for that? [08:11] ok, should I just comment & change the package for the original bug report? [08:11] kermiac: oh, if there's an existing one, please do [08:11] bug 529852 [08:11] Launchpad bug 529852 in ubuntu "T opens up terminal, even though I haven't assigned it anywhere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529852 [08:11] ok, will do. Thanks for your help pitti :) [08:11] thanks [08:37] good morning everyone [08:39] Good morning chrisccoulson! Ready to take the baton for Chris-es in #ubuntu-desktop? :) [08:39] hey chrisccoulson, good morning [08:39] heh ;) [08:39] It's very much like the changing of the guard :) [08:39] hey pitti [08:40] RAOF - yeah. it's a shame you'll not be around for the 1630 meeting this afternoon ;) [08:40] hey chrisccoulson, RAOF, pitti [08:40] that would be confusing [08:40] hey seb128 [08:40] Evening seb128 :) [08:40] bonjour seb128 [08:40] well, so much for an early night after my first day ;) [08:42] chrisccoulson, when did you go to bed? [08:42] hey chrisccoulson, RAOF :) [08:42] salut seb128 [08:42] lut didrocks [08:42] seb128 - about 2am ;) [08:42] hey didrocks [08:42] utch ;-) [08:42] chrisccoulson, at least no commuting early in the morning [08:42] i was going to go to bed earlier but then my inbox suddenly started filling up with gpm crashes as everyone upgraded ;) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:43] RAOF, thank you for the gjs update [08:43] i also fixed the issue with the about-me dialog too [08:43] chrisccoulson, oh? [08:43] the gpm crashes are bugs in the new version? [08:43] oh, were [08:43] I see a late upload :-) [08:44] seb128 - i had to declare a GError to fix a build failure with the new version, but i forgot to initialize it ;) [08:44] i didn't see the crash, as it only affected people who don't use xrandr for brightness [08:44] ah I see [08:45] and the about-me issue is due to a gtk change [08:47] chrisccoulson, oh? anything I should sponsor? [08:47] hey bratsche [08:47] Hey seb128 [08:47] seb128 - yeah, i pushed the change to bzr (for g-c-c) [08:47] chrisccoulson, ok thanks [08:47] i'll send that upstream this morning too [08:47] bratsche, had a good night? [08:48] Yeah [08:55] this is a pain, i have to go to my other computer to commit to gnome git [08:56] bratsche: its what, 2am now ? :P [08:56] chrisccoulson: i'm sending the nautilus unmount bug upstream , but you can confirm it happens , right? [08:56] lifeless: 9am [08:57] wow, you're further east than I thought. [08:57] bratsche: or are you in London or something atm ? [08:57] lifeless: If I were at home it would be 3am now, but I'm in London. :) [08:57] vish - i haven't confirmed it yet, but i believe you ;) [08:57] ;) [08:57] i can try in a bit, but i've got other stuff to do first [08:58] vish, I got similar issues with nautilus recently [08:58] chrisccoulson: hehe , havent i heard that before ;p [08:58] k.. upstreaming :) [09:01] right, gpm fix committed in git [09:01] chrisccoulson, good job ;-) [09:04] pitti: do you want me to assign you to bug 529852? [09:04] Launchpad bug 529852 in compiz "T opens up terminal, even though I haven't assigned it anywhere" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529852 === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [09:05] kermiac: I won't be able to work on it, but I can talk to some people to find out the reason, so please go ahead [09:05] heh [09:05] ok, np thanks pitti :) [09:05] pitti, you broke it you fix it :p [09:05] lolz [09:05] or let's drop your change otherwise [09:06] we have other things to debug, that was supposed to be a trivial keybinding change [09:06] if it's not let's forget about it? [09:08] seb128 - bug 530501 is weird ;) [09:08] Launchpad bug 530501 in nautilus "idont no" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530501 [09:08] confused users ;-) [09:17] chrisccoulson: that is indeed an odd bug :) [09:18] didrocks, I think bug #530437 is your bug [09:18] Launchpad bug 530437 in nautilus "Inserting an SD card offers no applications to open the card with" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530437 [09:19] didrocks, you don't have any photo import software on une? [09:19] ie nothing dealing with cameras and import? [09:24] hmmm, interesting gnome-panel security bug: "I deleted all my gnome-panel panels by mistake. I went to terminal, and typed in sudo gnome-panel (wouldn't work in ALT+F2). I LITERALLY BECAME ROOT. I WAS IN ROOTS HOME FOLDER AND ALL, I HAD ALL IT'S PRIVELIDGES." [09:24] ;) [09:28] wow [09:28] sudo works, stop the line! [09:29] heh [09:29] its amazing that the user seems genuinely surprised [09:32] seb128 - do you have any opinion on bug 464783? [09:32] Launchpad bug 464783 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal should default to 80x25 for application compatibility" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/464783 [09:33] no [09:33] I've never been annoyed by that [09:33] but I don't use lot of command line tools which rely on that layout [09:34] seb128: sorry, I was on phone, there is an issue with automount stuff in netbook-launcher (for instance, clicking on a partition in n-l doesn't mount it). It can be related. I'm logging it, thanks [09:34] I will let other people comment there ;-) [09:34] seb128 - thanks [09:34] didrocks, that one seems rather than you have no camera software [09:34] ie no f-spot, no gthumb [09:34] seb128: let me open the bug report, just looked at the title :) [09:34] nothing able to import photos from a camera [09:35] I was thinking we had gthumb, let me check [09:35] oh you do? [09:35] (no f-spot for sure) [09:35] so you might want to debug why it's not listed there [09:35] I'm booting :) [09:35] gthumb is listed as an import app there [09:36] but that's on my laptop not on une [09:36] oh no gthumb, I was really thinking we added it [09:36] didrocks, ok, so it's your bug [09:36] right :) [09:36] your users want a camera import software ;-) [09:36] sure ^^ [09:36] didrocks, thanks [09:36] thanks to you :) [09:41] right, time to brew some coffee [09:47] no objection of putting back gthumb to main? it was demoted in lucid (and depends now on libopenraw) which has always been in universe [09:49] RAOF: ok found what the alsa problem is. Just gotta work out a sane fix to patch in and send upstream and we should be good to go. [09:52] seb128, hi! Any plan to package latest gnome-icon-theme release? I'd like to start using it in Empathy [09:52] TheMuso: Excellent. Yay for non-regressing nouveau on PPC! [09:52] cassidy, isn't that late in the cycle for ui changes? [09:53] RAOF: If the kernel team give it the ok, indeed. [09:53] cassidy, we can package it today I guess [09:53] seb128, I'd ask to the RT before, but I'd *really* like to get rid of the status icons in Empathy [09:53] didrocks - gthumb hasn't been properly ported to gio yet has it? [09:54] cassidy, I'm not convinced that should go in this cycle [09:54] cassidy, how will that work with other icon themes? [09:54] (or it hadn't last time i looked) [09:54] 2.11 might have [09:54] seb128, gnome-icon-theme now ships status icons as defined in the naming spec; it totally make sense for Empathy to use them [09:55] cassidy, right, but what about other themes, will that break anything for those users who don't use the gnome theme? [09:55] cassidy, like is there a fallback and where in those cases? [09:55] seb128, my plan was to fallback to current icons yeah [09:55] cassidy, or do we need to fix all the themes? [09:55] cassidy, so you would keep the current icons in empathy installed in hicolor? [09:56] didn't GTK+ automatically fallback to gnome-icon-theme if the theme doesn't implement an icon? [09:56] no [09:56] only if you use a theme which inherit from gnome [09:56] I see [09:56] which is not always the case under other desktops [09:56] I guess I'd keep them for now as fb then [09:57] ok, seems good then ;-) [09:57] will update g-i-t [09:57] thanks [09:57] np [09:57] chrisccoulson: right, it still depends on gvfs-bin. Does it really matter compared to having no app for opening your photos? (I don't have too much clue on gio port) [09:57] seb128, I'm not sure I'll actually do it but having the package is always good [09:57] indeed [09:57] we were waiting for this release since months [09:58] didrocks - gthumb seems to keep having issues where it conflicts with gvfs [09:58] we should probably update to 2.11 [09:58] debian has it [09:58] ie, gvfs mounts camera to gphoto URI, then gthumb tries to mount camera too [09:58] and gthumb fails because only one application can access it [09:58] they did quite some refactoring apparently [09:59] i've not seen if 2.11 is any better [09:59] chrisccoulson, I though the wrapper was doing a gvfs-umount to avoid that? [09:59] chrisccoulson: each time? let me give it a try [09:59] seb128 - yeah, i think so [09:59] but that's not very nice [09:59] indeed [10:01] didrocks - bug 442448 for example [10:01] Launchpad bug 442448 in gthumb "gthumb photo import tool fails, error in io-library" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442448 [10:01] what's is the wrapper? [10:01] quilt shell is nice; that makes 99_autoreconf.patch so much easier [10:01] didrocks - i think the Exec line in the desktop file does some hackery to gvfs-umount camera devices when opening gthumb [10:01] I need to try this one [10:01] to ensure it can get a lock on the device [10:02] pitti - i wrote a small script for doing autotools update with quilt [10:02] is there a shell too? [10:02] quilt shell [10:02] it's quite new [10:02] cool! [10:03] urgh this is a mess. [10:03] TheMuso - ? [10:04] chrisccoulson: re what I was talking with to RAOF above. [10:06] chrisccoulson: well, you're right, that doesn't work at all [10:06] didrocks - maybe try 2.11 [10:06] i know there has been some effort on a gio port, but i don't know how far it got [10:06] ok, let's see [10:07] debian has it if you want to try [10:08] TheMuso: After I've finished the washing up I can show you how to easily just not build the alsa bits. [10:08] chrisccoulson: hi [10:08] hi asac, how are you? [10:08] great ;) [10:08] TheMuso: If that's helpful. [10:08] RAOF: Its fine, this is fixable, its just a mess. It needs to be fixed for upstream regardless. [10:09] TheMuso: I guess ALSA failing to build on PPC64 is probably even more concerning than not having nouveau in Lucid :) [10:09] RAOF: yeah probably. It builds in the kernel fine, but due to the alsa folks not defining __powerpc64__ in the alsa-driver config/makefiles, it craps out. [10:14] i'm going to take the libwnck update if nobody wants to do it [10:14] chrisccoulson, please do [10:14] cool, i'll do that now [10:15] * seb128 wonders if pitti just ignore him today [10:15] seb128: ? I said good morning :) [10:16] pitti, still waiting for you to reply to that alt-t bug [10:16] or rather my comment about it before ;-) [10:16] seb128: ah, I got the bug mail [10:16] seb128: and waiting for Amaranth to explain to me what compiz does with metacity's keybindings [10:16] seb128: I have the same feeling with cjwatson about the ubiquity merge :) [10:16] oh ok [10:16] seb128: merely starting compiz causes the user's gconf key to be set to Alt+T [10:16] didrocks, which is? [10:17] seb128: and that can hardly be related to changing the system wide default value? (which is correct) [10:17] pitti, ok, I had the impression you were not interested by debugging it before reading your comment [10:17] pitti, so I was suggesting just reverting the change [10:17] pitti, we have other issues to track [10:17] seb128: you know, my favorite subject for the last 3 weeks, wallpaper caching (and ubiquity, chapter 5!) [10:17] seb128: but yes, if it's nontrivial, let's revert it [10:17] seb128: it might destroy other keybindings as well, though [10:17] ok, let's wait a bit for compiz guys to comment [10:17] and revert otherwise [10:18] ok, one more indicator patch in lucid [10:18] didrocks, right, but what about it now? [10:18] pitti, oh, which one? [10:18] polkit-gnome [10:18] nice [10:19] I'm wondering if we should start running autoreconf a buildtime... [10:19] though we might as well stay on what we have for lucid now [10:19] seb128: I just hl with the branch yesterday and proposed the merge for higher visibility today. Just waiting for an ack or a "looking at it later" to ensure my hilight was seen :) (and hopefully, to close the wallpaper book :)) [10:19] upstream versions will not change a lot [10:19] and rework our packaging workflow next cycle [10:20] didrocks, oh ok, I didn't put the "same feeling" in context before [10:20] didrocks, I though it started going to roundtrips with "not the right component to change" [10:21] seb128: oh no, hopefully, this time it should be ok :) [10:22] seb128: for lucid+1, this might be appropriate indeed [10:28] 2.11.1 is nicer at least with my camera :) [10:29] but I need to patch it because the importer doesn't fit at all on a netbook screen [10:33] seb128: ok, so AFAICS we have g-s-d/libgnomekbd, vino, banshee, and brasero indicator patches left [10:34] pitti, ok [10:34] pitti, g-s-d,libgnomekbd is on my list [10:34] it will be g-s-d only we agreed on that [10:34] easier to maintain for us [10:34] seb128: ah, good; can I assign that to you then? [10:34] banshee is for universe [10:34] seb128: I'll take a look at brasero [10:34] yes please [10:45] chrisccoulson: you just earned your first work item with your new firefox hat :) [10:45] pitti - excellent :) [10:45] chrisccoulson: I added you to canonical-desktop-team and regenerate the work item charts now [10:46] chrisccoulson: have you heard about the work item tracker already? [10:46] pitti - yeah, i've seen that [10:49] seb128: can you sync gthumb 3:2.11.1-2 from debian unstable, please? [10:50] didrocks, ok [10:51] seb128: thanks :) [10:51] np [10:51] bryceh: if you create a meeting page, please use the meeting template [11:02] chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html -> updated now [11:02] why does the printer driver subsystem use alien? [11:03] pitti - thanks, looking now :) [11:05] sabdfl: hm, it shouldn't any more; openprinting.org now has proper .deb packages as well [11:05] tkamppeter: ^ [11:05] sabdfl: where did you see it using alien? [11:08] didrocks, you might want to move the nautilus bug somewhere else too [11:09] seb128: right, the ubuntu-netbook metapackage seems to be a good choice [11:09] pitti, sabdfl: I do not remember that we have ever used alien in the printing subsystem of Ubuntu. I have always put up LSB packages on OpenPrinting in both RPM and Debian formats. [11:09] done [11:10] thanks [11:10] didrocks, gthumb synced btw [11:10] * didrocks hugs seb128 [11:10] * seb128 hugs didrocks [11:35] $ automake [11:35] gtk-doc.make:53: GTK_DOC_BUILD_HTML does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL [11:35] seb128: ^ did you see that before by chacne? (autoreconfing brasero) [11:36] pitti, yes [11:37] try running gtkdocize [11:37] I think that's it [11:37] or the upstream autogen.sh [11:37] that usually works too [11:37] there's no autogen.sh [11:37] but gtkdocize did the trick [11:37] get it from git ;-) [11:37] * pitti hugs seb128 [11:37] * seb128 hugs pitti === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:30] seb128 - i pushed the libwnck update to bzr now [12:30] that was a nice and simple one ;) [12:31] i'll take gedit after lunch [12:36] re [12:36] chrisccoulson, I'm just back from lunch [12:36] chrisccoulson, you don't have upload access to libwnck? [12:37] seb128 - i'm assuming now. i can't upload gnome-panel, so i don't think i'll be able to upload libwnck either [12:37] s/now/so [12:38] those sets are mystery to me [12:38] heh [12:38]