=== nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === bjf is now known as bjf-afk === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [12:57] * ogra waves [12:57] ogra: morning :) [13:00] * cooloney_ waves at ogra [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander. [13:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:00] morning all [13:00] wow, thats on the second [13:00] * StevenK waits for the wiki to damn well less [13:00] *listen [13:01] * ericm_ types to see if he's banned [13:01] do we know if asac JamieBennett davidm or anmar will attend ? [13:01] (i know its unlikely) [13:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100302 [13:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100302 [13:02] * NCommander doesn't know [13:02] I thought davidm said no. [13:02] [topic] Action Item Review [13:02] New Topic: Action Item Review [13:03] is everyone here ? [13:03] (roll call would help) [13:03] yes [13:03] if your not here, say I [13:03] I [13:03] That's the right attitude :) [13:03] [topic] Roll Call [13:03] New Topic: Roll Call [13:03] * StevenK lounges back in his chair and throws spitballs at NCommander [13:03] Roll calls imply we have a known set of attendees. [13:03] with a straw ? [13:04] Possibly [13:04] persia: there's a semi-regular group that can be assumed to be here? [13:04] Im here! :D [13:04] Well, yeah. Like jussi01 :) [13:04] * GrueMaster runs to the just finished coffee pot for an intravenous injection. [13:04] * ericm_ makes some noise [13:04] shh [13:04] asac, dyfet, JamieBennett, ericm_ping [13:05] *yawn* [13:05] Why do you need to ping ericm_ when he's been jumping up and down for minutes? [13:05] StevenK: I thought he made a slight noise just before I pressed enter :-P [13:05] because he's michael :) [13:05] guess cooloney is also here [13:06] anyway, sounds like we should get started [13:06] Everyone who has an Action Item has been pinged [13:06] [topic] Action Item Revier [13:06] New Topic: Action Item Revier [13:06] I'll skip action items for non present people and c/o them [13:06] [topic] NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs [13:06] New Topic: NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs [13:06] Done [13:06] really ? [13:06] [topic] GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page [13:06] New Topic: GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page [13:06] * persia notes that the action items may not be entirely complete, having been based on vague readings of logs rather than actual minutes or anything [13:07] c/o [13:07] ogra: yeah, I linked the spec to the bugs during the last meeting [13:07] Not really enough time to work and write about it. [13:07] on a daily basis. [13:07] [topic] ogra to produce a rootstock test plan [13:07] New Topic: ogra to produce a rootstock test plan [13:07] NCommander, the last time you touched the spec page was jan 4th [13:08] GrueMaster: if there's some way I can help, let me know [13:08] ogra: on Launchpad? [13:08] NCommander, implemented and announced last meeting [13:08] NCommander, yes [13:08] ogra: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement - I see Dove bugs [13:08] NCommander, there is a "link bug report" link on the spec page [13:08] yes, the two i added ages ago [13:09] two, there are four on there [13:09] the workitem was about the other bugs that were brought up last meeting [13:09] * ogra wonders why thats not in the change history of the spec then if NCommander added them last week [13:10] ogra: LP bug? I don't think I've ever seen linking bugs in history now that I think of it [13:11] hmm, seems you are right [13:11] LP should notify about such changes [13:11] anyway, feel free to ignore me then :) [13:11] [action] ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:11] ACTION received: ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails [13:11] heh, thanks [13:11] ogra: all is forgiven :-) [13:12] :) [13:12] ogra: so rootstock test plan? [13:12] yes, announced last meeting [13:12] i dont know why its on the list [13:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootstockTestplan [13:13] (its also in my AR if you scroll down :) ) [13:13] ogra: heh :-). Can I move on? [13:13] yes [13:13] and strike it please :) [13:13] [topic] NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues. [13:13] New Topic: NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues. [13:13] The underlying problem is its broken. [13:13] no, really ? :) [13:14] ogra: :-P [13:14] Someone going to have to sitdown with gdb and determine why smoke is going up in smoke with segfault [13:14] Did dropping smoke fix it? [13:14] persia: no one has implemented dropping smoke [13:14] persia: since bindings realy likes that package [13:14] I thought we agreed to do that at the last meeting. [13:14] Does dropping it just plain not work? [13:15] persia: I brought it up in kubuntu-dev, but I didn' tmake enough noise and failed to follow up [13:15] ACTION yourself again :p [13:15] [action] NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues. [13:15] ACTION received: NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues. [13:16] Having KDE working is essential for liquid (even if we're mostly stuck to lucid+1 stuff) [13:16] persia: I'm aware, but my spare cycles wer very limited last week [13:16] [topic] Team to add individual summaries to standing items before meetings [13:16] New Topic: Team to add individual summaries to standing items before meetings [13:16] * ogra managed this time \o/ [13:17] wait [13:17] sorry, wrong action item [13:17] * NCommander started reading from the wrong meeting page [13:17] * NCommander is *not* awake this morning [13:17] aha [13:17] You seem to be typing a lot for someone who is sleeping [13:17] and i was wondering about the rootsdtock testplan [13:18] [topic] everyone to move work items not finished for alpha-3 to ubnutu-10.04-beta-1 [13:18] New Topic: everyone to move work items not finished for alpha-3 to ubnutu-10.04-beta-1 [13:18] StevenK, probably persia borrowed him his brain inerface and he is dreaming the meeting ? [13:18] Hah [13:18] * persia really needs to figure out DKMS and get drivers in the archive for that [13:18] ogra: if I start dreaming about our IRC meetings, I have larger problems [13:18] ++ [13:19] so are there any outstanding specs for the above ? [13:19] * NCommander moved his [13:19] * ogra knows his specs are up to date [13:20] Possibly lsb porting spec. [13:20] We should move that :) [13:20] * persia goes to do so [13:20] Still working with Linux Foundation on it. [13:20] Any objection if I move on? [13:20] Yea. [13:20] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:20] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:20] (the link on the wiki still points to A3) [13:21] [topic] NCommander to create wiki page to track actions taken to evaluate ooo/uno issues [13:21] New Topic: NCommander to create wiki page to track actions taken to evaluate ooo/uno issues [13:21] where is it ? [13:21] ogra: my mind [13:21] Still have to do this although i did touch the LP bug with a better overview of the problem [13:21] use persia's brain interface and dump it [13:22] ogra: I much rather use his brain interface to rm all memories involved to OOo's internals [13:22] [topic] StevenK and persia to ensure that xubuntu- ubuntu- images are not produced for armel anymore [13:22] If I might mention, the BCI 1) doesn't have working input drivers, and 2) is kinda slow for typing if you have working hands. [13:22] New Topic: StevenK and persia to ensure that xubuntu- ubuntu- images are not produced for armel anymore [13:22] Done! [13:22] that wont create a wikipage :) [13:22] Indeed [13:23] StevenK is good at that. [13:23] yay [13:23] ++ [13:23] We now only build three images for armel: kubuntu-netbook, ubuntu-netbook, ubuntu-server [13:23] * NCommander pictures StevenK's as a grim repear bringing death to these images [13:23] We now only build {k,}ubuntu-netbook and ubuntu-server [13:23] * StevenK pulls out his hood and scythe [13:24] [topic] StevenK and persia to also get rid of kubuntu-desktop aka everything != server [13:24] New Topic: StevenK and persia to also get rid of kubuntu-desktop aka everything != server [13:24] Like we said, done, damn it [13:24] :-P [13:24] [topic] everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive [13:24] New Topic: everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive [13:24] * NCommander failed :-/ [13:24] the good one isnt uploaded yet :) [13:24] c/o [13:24] * persia tried but not in the right test window. [13:24] Hah [13:24] We're all off the hook [13:24] Ah, good. Then my last try was up-to-date :) [13:25] i'll upload today or tomorrow [13:25] [topic] Standing Items [13:25] New Topic: Standing Items [13:25] * ogra is still trying to figure out why qemu hangs [13:25] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:25] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [13:25] ogra: with mono or? [13:25] And then I'll have ogra poking me, I guess [13:26] NCommander, nope [13:26] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-beta-1.html [13:26] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-beta-1.html [13:26] ogra: run qemu-arm in strace mode and see what syscall it hangs in and which arguments [13:26] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:26] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:26] (wrong link) [13:26] NCommander, its qemu-system-arm [13:26] qemu-arm is fine [13:27] There's a clear failure-to-update happening. [13:27] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:27] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html [13:27] the chart looks pretty bad [13:27] Ouch [13:28] mainly jamie and asac's fault though [13:28] i think the stuff to close the workitems is in the works [13:28] there are far fewer work items on it than there were for alpha 3 though [13:28] On our overall burn down chart for Lucid, we're looking kinda happy [13:28] indeed [13:29] yeah, but overall doesnt intrest the release team [13:29] asac gets whacked on friday if we dont get it down a bit [13:29] so anyone who can make it look better, please do :) [13:30] Anyone mind if I move on? [13:30] go [13:30] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:30] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) [13:31] for imx51 [13:31] no much big change [13:31] we just back ported ppoll patch into fsl-imx51 [13:31] and need some one to test it [13:32] for USB bug, i think it is not fsl-imx51 specific [13:32] it also affects x86 running lucid [13:32] the regulator stuff is still open though [13:32] didnt you merge the new BSP ? [13:32] ogra: yeah, that patch broke my kernel [13:33] ogra: a new BSP? [13:33] 2010-02-16? [13:33] yes [13:33] its the last one for lucid [13:33] their next release is planned for mid april iirc [13:33] i guess I reported that in the mobile meeting last week [13:33] ah, k [13:33] sorry then :) [13:33] ogra: np [13:33] hehe [13:34] so for next release [13:34] yeah [13:34] we won't apply BSP updates ? [13:34] or possibly SRU stuff if we find big nugs [13:34] *bugs [13:34] because it is close to release [13:34] ok, got you [13:34] thx [13:34] Yes, nugs are bad too. :P [13:34] oohh yeah [13:35] ogra: and please raise the regulator issue when you talk with fsl [13:35] * NCommander pokes ericm_ with a stick [13:35] for dove no change yet - Marvell has made another drop of patchset which are largely Android support with some fixes, review still in progress [13:35] cooloney_, i will ... tonight [13:35] ericm_, any chance we get the powermanagement bugs closed before freeze ? [13:35] and I'm working on several new bugs on Dove [13:36] ogra, I supposed so [13:36] (sicne they show up on the charts) [13:36] ogra, suspend/resume seems work fine on my new x0 [13:37] plars, GrueMaster, you may comment on those two dove bugs [13:37] then close the remaining bugs :) [13:37] what I'd bring to this meeting is the kexec issue [13:37] two workarounds from my POV, one in kernel and one in kexec-tools [13:37] ericm_: which ones, the ones we talked about last night? [13:37] New bug filed yesterday is somewhat critical. launching mplayer causes dove to go into a kernel panic, locking the system. [13:37] right, I am also working on this with eric's help [13:38] plars, suspend/resume [13:38] plars, it works on my X0 dove, not sure from your side [13:38] cooloney_, ericm_, note that kexec is just a nice to have at this point ... the open bugs are more important [13:38] interesting... so if anyone else can verify that would be good [13:38] GrueMaster, I know - that's why I'm working on that [13:38] ogra, understood [13:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/530432 [13:38] Launchpad bug 530432 in linux-mvl-dove "suspend with sd card inserted fails to suspend, hangs, and loses USB" [Undecided,New] [13:39] You asked me to report on it. [13:39] is the bug we are talking about [13:39] plars, yeah - I mean normal suspend/resume without SD [13:39] plars, 530432 is another bug I think [13:39] ericm_: oh, sure, normal suspend/resume works for me [13:39] bug 516811 [13:39] Launchpad bug 516811 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] system hangs with resume after suspend" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516811 [13:40] ericm_: right, that one was closed already [13:40] plars, ok [13:40] I marked it fixed back on 02/24 [13:41] hibernation still doesn't work with smoking test [13:41] So anything else to report on kernel status? Time is getting short [13:41] ogra, so yes at least lucid-beta should be able to use suspend/resume (without SD of cuz) [13:42] great [13:42] what are the plans for fixes after freeze ? [13:42] does ARM also fall under the SRU model the kernel team plans ? [13:43] ogra, I think ARM is little bit different, we are a little bit more flexible to merge patches from vendors [13:43] great, that was what i was hoping to hear [13:44] :) [13:44] ericm_: cooloney_anything elsemajor to report? [13:44] not strictly following SRU [13:44] * NCommander really doesn't want to run over [13:44] nothing from me [13:44] NCommander: nothing from my side now [13:44] go [13:44] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:44] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:44] dyfet, ?? [13:45] no qa status? [13:45] yeah, right [13:45] I posted part of it, but I don't know if maybe GrueMaster has something to add [13:45] qa status? [13:45] I can, but not much. [13:45] * NCommander hiccuped [13:45] Pretty much the same as in my AR. [13:46] I updated status on the meeting page, but to quickly recap: we got good coverage on iso tracker tests but could always use more eyes, please spend a cycle testing an image or two if you have hardware when we hit these milestones, Suspend/resume blueprint is ready for use (let me know if you find any problems) and has already exposed several bugs (lp:~pwlars/checkbox/checkbox-susres) [13:46] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:46] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) [13:47] anything else here? [13:47] oh in arm app status, we had another arm porting meeting, and submitted fixes for gmp [13:47] I've done some extensive bluetooth testing on imx51 so far. No issues with file transfer mode. [13:47] \o/ [13:47] Cool! [13:48] [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:48] New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) [13:48] GrueMaster: great [13:48] any objectoinis I mov eon? [13:48] no [13:48] I thought you had. [13:48] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [13:48] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) [13:49] he is not sure where he is moving to [13:49] :) [13:49] ah :)...I am off sync this morning. Too little coffee :) [13:49] But we did have another arm minisprint last week [13:49] * ogra added his questions to the wiki for that topic [13:50] is that all for app-status ? [13:50] well, we did get gmp updated [13:50] yes, you said so above :) [13:51] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [13:51] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) [13:51] NCommander, err [13:51] FTBFS ? [13:51] So, the server image built great! [13:51] netbook too apart from out-of-sync ness [13:51] Ubuntu netbook needs evolution to be less skewed (should be sorted tomorrow) [13:51] right [13:51] Kubuntu netbook needs help [13:51] * persia blames NCommander [13:51] * StevenK does too [13:51] i dont think we need to repeat here whats written on the wiki [13:51] * StevenK blames NCommander for lots of things [13:52] * NCommander wonders who doesn't [13:52] Next topic :) [13:52] * ogra only blames NCommander for skipping FTBFS status [13:52] [topic] Blaming NCommander for Stuff [13:52] New Topic: Blaming NCommander for Stuff [13:52] ogra: I didn't :-P [13:52] I'm trying to get some outside help for the kde issues. [13:52] i didnt see you talking about it [13:52] [topic] Any Other Business [13:52] New Topic: Any Other Business [13:52] there are questions on the wiki [13:52] and i'd like an answer [13:53] which is why i added them [13:53] ogra: likewise is still pending validation, I worked with gruemaster on getting a windows box up to test on ARM, but no new progress on this front [13:53] I am ramping up on likewise testing. [13:53] GrueMaster: which issues? which outside help? [13:53] dyfet, can you take over investigation of the squid issue ? [13:53] Riddell: The ftbfs issues. [13:53] NCommander, did the patch get forwarded to server team (like i'm asking since about 6 weeks) [13:54] did they review the code changes and comment on them [13:54] ogra: Only 3: be fair [13:54] ogra: I was directed to working with likewise, as I said. Things got stuck in legal for a bit [13:54] persia, sprint was only 3 weeks ago ? [13:54] ogra: According to my calendar, yes. [13:55] persia, sorry but i'm getting impatient on this its a simple bug and subscribing the server team to it [13:55] ogra: yeah, plus I've had higher NMIs :-/ [13:55] ogra: yes [13:55] ogra: I *told* you during the sprint the server team was forwaded [13:55] same with my calendar. [13:55] ogra: Understood. Just seeking accuracy of complaint. [13:55] and I told you I was working with likewise on this, its been dep-wait validation [13:55] NCommander, i didnt see a code review of your patch from anyone from them on your bug [13:55] ogra: its been over email unfortnately [13:55] please ask them if the intrusive changes your patch makes are ok [13:56] ogra: what intrusive changes? [13:56] and ask them to comment on the bug where the patch is attached [13:56] ogra: the patch has to be validated against a Windows server installation to confirm it works, then it will be merged upstream [13:56] we can discuss details offline, i'm simply asking you to get a public comment from the server team since the sprint [13:56] Something I hope to accomplish in the next couple of days. [13:57] cant be that hard, can it ? [13:57] ogra: you never said public, I've been talking with them on it on IRC. [13:57] i asked you to subscribe them to the bug and do the conversation on the bug [13:57] * ogra sighs [13:57] lets move on [13:57] that takes to much time [13:57] ogra: ever set up a Windows Active Directory Server before? [13:57] GrueMaster, to review some code changes ? [13:58] To ensure they work. [13:58] I can write code changes. They won't do much good without testing though. [13:58] GrueMaster, i dont care if they have been tested, i want to have them approved first by the package maintainers [13:58] ogra: look, if you want likewise, take it over. I'm merging this against upstream directly to make sure we don't ge t non-working binaries with our patch. [13:59] NCommander, all i'm askinf for since weeks is to make the conversation public on the bug and involve the server team in the bug [13:59] nothing more [13:59] ogra: the bug been posted, and the server team been informed [13:59] i dont care about tech details [14:00] can you please makje sure that goes on the bug [14:00] anything else w.r.t. to ABO anyone wants to bring up? [14:00] (the conversation and approval for the code changes from them) [14:00] else I'd like to close out the meeting [14:00] #endmeeting [14:00] Meeting finished at 08:00. [14:00] there is a topic under AOB [14:00] * ogra curses anbd goes aflk [14:01] ogra: we wer eon AOB === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew [15:01] anyone else here for the DMB meeting? [15:01] I am (applicant) [15:01] I have to leave early, I'm afraid, no later than 15:35 UTC [15:02] stgraber: Aren't you chair this time? [15:03] I am too (applicant2) [15:03] nixternal,soren: ping? [15:03] no cody-somerville, no geser [15:04] come on, I'm not going to back-seat chair this :) [15:07] sorry about this, showard and didrocks [15:07] the meeting time hasn't changed AFAIK so I'm not sure what's up [15:08] cjwatson: not a problem, I still can live with sponsoring :) [15:08] didrocks: Thanks for your patience. [15:08] Is it possible to review my app over email? [15:08] we may be able to do that if we're not quorate in the meeting [15:09] though we always prefer to do it interactively if we can [15:09] cjwatson: Shall we call ourselves unquorate at :15 if we don't get any others? [15:09] * soren wanders in [15:09] thanks, soren - we need at least one more [15:09] persia: yes, I think we'll have to [15:10] ok, I'll try to make the next meeting then [15:10] Sorry about being late. The calendar that was supposed to remind me about this meeting went missing two days ago :) [15:10] \o/ [15:10] soren: geser: either of you up for chairing in stgraber's absence? [15:10] I have a phone call at 15:30. [15:10] UTC. [15:10] showard: looking at your wiki page, I think there's enough information there that we ought to be able to vote offline [15:11] ah, but geser has made it, ok [15:11] I have a hard stop at 15:35. [15:11] #startmeeting [15:11] Meeting started at 09:11. The chair is persia. [15:11] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:11] (since nobody else seemed to want to chair) [15:11] * soren hugs persia [15:11] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda [15:11] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda [15:12] [TOPIC] Action Item Review [15:12] New Topic: Action Item Review [15:12] [TOPIC] ScottK to start discussion on future of MOTU Council among its constituency (MOTU) [15:12] New Topic: ScottK to start discussion on future of MOTU Council among its constituency (MOTU) [15:12] I started such discussions to avoid further delay. [15:12] [TOPIC] persia to gather votes from absent members by email [15:12] New Topic: persia to gather votes from absent members by email [15:12] I completely failed to do this and will send an email at the conclusion of this meeting [15:13] [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application for Scott Howard (showard314) [15:13]