[12:57]  * ogra waves
[12:57] <czajkowski> ogra: morning :)
[13:00]  * cooloney_ waves at ogra 
[13:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[13:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is NCommander.
[13:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[13:00] <NCommander> morning all
[13:00] <ogra> wow, thats on the second
[13:00]  * StevenK waits for the wiki to damn well less
[13:00] <StevenK> *listen
[13:01]  * ericm_ types to see if he's banned
[13:01] <ogra> do we know if asac JamieBennett davidm or anmar will attend ?
[13:01] <ogra> (i know its unlikely)
[13:02] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100302
[13:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100302
[13:02]  * NCommander doesn't know
[13:02] <GrueMaster> I thought davidm said no.
[13:02] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review
[13:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[13:03] <ogra> is everyone here ?
[13:03] <ogra> (roll call would help)
[13:03] <plars> yes
[13:03] <NCommander> if your not here, say I
[13:03] <GrueMaster> I
[13:03] <persia> That's the right attitude :)
[13:03] <NCommander> [topic] Roll Call
[13:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[13:03]  * StevenK lounges back in his chair and throws spitballs at NCommander 
[13:03] <persia> Roll calls imply we have a known set of attendees.
[13:03] <ogra> with a straw ?
[13:04] <StevenK> Possibly
[13:04] <NCommander> persia: there's a semi-regular group that can be assumed to be here?
[13:04] <jussi01> Im here! :D
[13:04] <persia> Well, yeah.  Like jussi01 :)
[13:04]  * GrueMaster runs to the just finished coffee pot for an intravenous injection.
[13:04]  * ericm_ makes some noise
[13:04] <plars> shh
[13:04] <NCommander> asac, dyfet, JamieBennett, ericm_ping
[13:05] <dyfet> *yawn*
[13:05] <StevenK> Why do you need to ping ericm_ when he's been jumping up and down for minutes?
[13:05] <NCommander> StevenK: I thought he made a slight noise just before I pressed enter :-P
[13:05] <ogra> because he's michael :)
[13:05] <ericm_> guess cooloney is also here
[13:06] <ogra> anyway, sounds like we should get started
[13:06] <NCommander> Everyone who has an Action Item has been pinged
[13:06] <NCommander> [topic] Action Item Revier
[13:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Revier
[13:06] <NCommander> I'll skip action items for non present people and c/o them
[13:06] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs
[13:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs
[13:06] <NCommander> Done
[13:06] <ogra> really ?
[13:06] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page
[13:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page
[13:06]  * persia notes that the action items may not be entirely complete, having been based on vague readings of logs rather than actual minutes or anything
[13:07] <GrueMaster> c/o
[13:07] <NCommander> ogra: yeah, I linked the spec to the bugs during the last meeting
[13:07] <GrueMaster> Not really enough time to work and write about it.
[13:07] <GrueMaster> on a daily basis.
[13:07] <NCommander> [topic] ogra to produce a rootstock test plan
[13:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  ogra to produce a rootstock test plan
[13:07] <ogra> NCommander, the last time you touched the spec page was jan 4th
[13:08] <plars> GrueMaster: if there's some way I can help, let me know
[13:08] <NCommander> ogra: on Launchpad?
[13:08] <ogra> NCommander, implemented and announced last meeting
[13:08] <ogra> NCommander, yes
[13:08] <NCommander> ogra: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement - I see Dove bugs
[13:08] <ogra> NCommander, there is a "link bug report" link on the spec page
[13:08] <ogra> yes, the two i added ages ago
[13:09] <NCommander> two, there are four on there
[13:09] <ogra> the workitem was about the other bugs that were brought up last meeting
[13:09]  * ogra wonders why thats not in the change history of the spec then if NCommander added them last week
[13:10] <NCommander> ogra: LP bug? I don't think I've ever seen linking bugs in history now that I think of it
[13:11] <ogra> hmm, seems you are right
[13:11] <ogra> LP should notify about such changes
[13:11] <ogra> anyway, feel free to ignore me then :)
[13:11] <NCommander> [action] ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails
[13:11] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ogra to file a bug on LP not tracking bug links to blueprints or sending emails
[13:11] <ogra> heh, thanks
[13:11] <NCommander> ogra: all is forgiven :-)
[13:12] <ogra> :)
[13:12] <NCommander> ogra: so rootstock test plan?
[13:12] <ogra> yes, announced last meeting
[13:12] <ogra> i dont know why its on the list
[13:12] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootstockTestplan
[13:13] <ogra> (its also in my AR if you scroll down :) )
[13:13] <NCommander> ogra: heh :-). Can I move on?
[13:13] <ogra> yes
[13:13] <ogra> and strike it please :)
[13:13] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues.
[13:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues.
[13:13] <NCommander> The underlying problem is its broken.
[13:13] <ogra> no, really ? :)
[13:14] <NCommander> ogra: :-P
[13:14] <NCommander> Someone going to have to sitdown with gdb and determine why smoke is going up in smoke with segfault
[13:14] <persia> Did dropping smoke fix it?
[13:14] <NCommander> persia: no one has implemented dropping smoke
[13:14] <NCommander> persia: since bindings realy likes that package
[13:14] <persia> I thought we agreed to do that at the last meeting.
[13:14] <persia> Does dropping it just plain not work?
[13:15] <NCommander> persia: I brought it up in kubuntu-dev, but I didn' tmake enough noise and failed to follow up
[13:15] <persia> ACTION yourself again :p
[13:15] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues.
[13:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues.
[13:16] <persia> Having KDE working is essential for liquid (even if we're mostly stuck to lucid+1 stuff)
[13:16] <NCommander> persia: I'm aware, but my spare cycles wer very limited last week
[13:16] <NCommander> [topic] Team to add individual summaries to standing items before meetings
[13:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team to add individual summaries to standing items before meetings
[13:16]  * ogra managed this time \o/
[13:17] <NCommander> wait
[13:17] <NCommander> sorry, wrong action item
[13:17]  * NCommander started reading from the wrong meeting page
[13:17]  * NCommander is *not* awake this morning
[13:17] <ogra> aha
[13:17] <StevenK> You seem to be typing a lot for someone who is sleeping
[13:17] <ogra> and i was wondering about the rootsdtock testplan
[13:18] <NCommander> [topic] everyone to move work items not finished for alpha-3 to ubnutu-10.04-beta-1
[13:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  everyone to move work items not finished for alpha-3 to ubnutu-10.04-beta-1
[13:18] <ogra> StevenK, probably persia borrowed him his brain inerface and he is dreaming the meeting ?
[13:18] <StevenK> Hah
[13:18]  * persia really needs to figure out DKMS and get drivers in the archive for that
[13:18] <NCommander> ogra: if I start dreaming about our IRC meetings, I have larger problems
[13:18] <ogra> ++
[13:19] <ogra> so are there any outstanding specs for the above ?
[13:19]  * NCommander moved his
[13:19]  * ogra knows his specs are up to date
[13:20] <GrueMaster> Possibly lsb porting spec.
[13:20] <persia> We should move that :)
[13:20]  * persia goes to do so
[13:20] <GrueMaster> Still working with Linux Foundation on it.
[13:20] <NCommander> Any objection if I move on?
[13:20] <GrueMaster> Yea.
[13:20] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:20] <ogra> (the link on the wiki still points to A3)
[13:21] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to create wiki page to track actions taken to evaluate ooo/uno issues
[13:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to create wiki page to track actions taken to evaluate ooo/uno issues
[13:21] <ogra> where is it ?
[13:21] <NCommander> ogra: my mind
[13:21] <NCommander> Still have to do this although i did touch the LP bug with a better overview of the problem
[13:21] <ogra> use persia's brain interface and dump it
[13:22] <NCommander> ogra: I much rather use his brain interface to rm all memories involved to OOo's internals
[13:22] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK and persia to ensure that xubuntu- ubuntu- images are not produced for armel anymore
[13:22] <persia> If I might mention, the BCI 1) doesn't have working input drivers, and 2) is kinda slow for typing if you have working hands.
[13:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK and persia to ensure that xubuntu- ubuntu- images are not produced for armel anymore
[13:22] <persia> Done!
[13:22] <ogra> that wont create a wikipage :)
[13:22] <StevenK> Indeed
[13:23] <persia> StevenK is good at that.
[13:23] <ogra> yay
[13:23] <ogra> ++
[13:23] <persia> We now only build three images for armel: kubuntu-netbook, ubuntu-netbook, ubuntu-server
[13:23]  * NCommander pictures StevenK's as a grim repear bringing death to these images
[13:23] <StevenK> We now only build {k,}ubuntu-netbook and ubuntu-server
[13:23]  * StevenK pulls out his hood and scythe
[13:24] <NCommander> [topic] StevenK and persia to also get rid of kubuntu-desktop aka everything != server
[13:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  StevenK and persia to also get rid of kubuntu-desktop aka everything != server
[13:24] <StevenK> Like we said, done, damn it
[13:24] <StevenK> :-P
[13:24] <NCommander> [topic] everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive
[13:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  everyone to try rootstock GUI once its in the archive
[13:24]  * NCommander failed :-/
[13:24] <ogra> the good one isnt uploaded yet :)
[13:24] <ogra> c/o
[13:24]  * persia tried but not in the right test window.
[13:24] <StevenK> Hah
[13:24] <StevenK> We're all off the hook
[13:24] <persia> Ah, good.  Then my last try was up-to-date :)
[13:25] <ogra> i'll upload today or tomorrow
[13:25] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items
[13:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[13:25]  * ogra is still trying to figure out why qemu hangs 
[13:25] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[13:25] <NCommander> ogra: with mono or?
[13:25] <StevenK> And then I'll have ogra poking me, I guess
[13:26] <ogra> NCommander, nope
[13:26] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-beta-1.html
[13:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-beta-1.html
[13:26] <NCommander> ogra: run qemu-arm in strace mode and see what syscall it hangs in and which arguments
[13:26] <ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:26] <ogra> (wrong link)
[13:26] <ogra> NCommander, its qemu-system-arm
[13:26] <ogra> qemu-arm is fine
[13:27] <persia> There's a clear failure-to-update happening.
[13:27] <NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-1.html
[13:27] <ogra> the chart looks pretty bad
[13:27] <NCommander> Ouch
[13:28] <ogra> mainly jamie and asac's fault though
[13:28] <ogra> i think the stuff to close the workitems is in the works
[13:28] <plars> there are far fewer work items on it than there were for alpha 3 though
[13:28] <NCommander> On our overall burn down chart for Lucid, we're looking kinda happy
[13:28] <ogra> indeed
[13:29] <ogra> yeah, but overall doesnt intrest the release team
[13:29] <ogra> asac gets whacked on friday if we dont get it down a bit
[13:29] <ogra> so anyone who can make it look better, please do :)
[13:30] <NCommander> Anyone mind if I move on?
[13:30] <ogra> go
[13:30] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[13:31] <cooloney_> for imx51
[13:31] <cooloney_> no much big change
[13:31] <cooloney_> we just back ported ppoll patch into fsl-imx51
[13:31] <cooloney_> and need some one to test it
[13:32] <cooloney_> for USB bug, i think it is not fsl-imx51 specific
[13:32] <cooloney_> it also affects x86 running lucid
[13:32] <ogra> the regulator stuff is still open though
[13:32] <ogra> didnt you merge the new BSP ?
[13:32] <cooloney_> ogra: yeah, that patch broke my kernel
[13:33] <cooloney_> ogra: a new BSP?
[13:33] <cooloney_> 2010-02-16?
[13:33] <ogra> yes
[13:33] <ogra> its the last one for lucid
[13:33] <ogra> their next release is planned for mid april iirc
[13:33] <cooloney_> i guess I reported that in the mobile meeting last week
[13:33] <ogra> ah, k
[13:33] <ogra> sorry then :)
[13:33] <cooloney_> ogra: np
[13:33] <cooloney_> hehe
[13:34] <cooloney_> so for next release
[13:34] <ogra> yeah
[13:34] <cooloney_> we won't apply BSP updates ?
[13:34] <ogra> or possibly SRU stuff if we find big nugs
[13:34] <ogra> *bugs
[13:34] <cooloney_> because it is close to release
[13:34] <cooloney_> ok, got you
[13:34] <cooloney_> thx
[13:34] <GrueMaster> Yes, nugs are bad too.  :P
[13:34] <ogra> oohh yeah
[13:35] <cooloney_> ogra: and please raise the regulator issue when you talk with fsl
[13:35]  * NCommander pokes ericm_ with a stick
[13:35] <ericm_> for dove no change yet - Marvell has made another drop of patchset which are largely Android support with some fixes, review still in progress
[13:35] <ogra> cooloney_, i will ... tonight
[13:35] <ogra> ericm_, any chance we get the powermanagement bugs closed before freeze ?
[13:35] <ericm_> and I'm working on several new bugs on Dove
[13:36] <ericm_> ogra, I supposed so
[13:36] <ogra> (sicne they show up on the charts)
[13:36] <ericm_> ogra, suspend/resume seems work fine on my new x0
[13:37] <ericm_> plars, GrueMaster, you may comment on those two dove bugs
[13:37] <ogra> then close the remaining bugs :)
[13:37] <ericm_> what I'd bring to this meeting is the kexec issue
[13:37] <ericm_> two workarounds from my POV, one in kernel and one in kexec-tools
[13:37] <plars> ericm_: which ones, the ones we talked about last night?
[13:37] <GrueMaster> New bug filed yesterday is somewhat critical.  launching mplayer causes dove to go into a kernel panic, locking the system.
[13:37] <cooloney_> right, I am also working on this with eric's help
[13:38] <ericm_> plars, suspend/resume
[13:38] <ericm_> plars, it works on my X0 dove, not sure from your side
[13:38] <ogra> cooloney_, ericm_, note that kexec is just a nice to have at this point ... the open bugs are more important
[13:38] <plars> interesting... so if anyone else can verify that would be good
[13:38] <ericm_> GrueMaster, I know - that's why I'm working on that
[13:38] <ericm_> ogra, understood
[13:38] <plars> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/530432
[13:39] <GrueMaster> You asked me to report on it.
[13:39] <plars> is the bug we are talking about
[13:39] <ericm_> plars, yeah - I mean normal suspend/resume without SD
[13:39] <ericm_> plars, 530432 is another bug I think
[13:39] <plars> ericm_: oh, sure, normal suspend/resume works for me
[13:39] <ericm_> bug 516811
[13:40] <plars> ericm_: right, that one was closed already
[13:40] <ericm_> plars, ok
[13:40] <plars> I marked it fixed back on 02/24
[13:41] <ericm_> hibernation still doesn't work with smoking test
[13:41] <NCommander> So anything else to report on kernel status? Time is getting short
[13:41] <ericm_> ogra, so yes at least lucid-beta should be able to use suspend/resume (without SD of cuz)
[13:42] <ogra> great
[13:42] <ogra> what are the plans for fixes after freeze ?
[13:42] <ogra> does ARM also fall under the SRU model the kernel team plans ?
[13:43] <ericm_> ogra, I think ARM is little bit different, we are a little bit more flexible to merge patches from vendors
[13:43] <ogra> great, that was what i was hoping to hear
[13:44] <ogra> :)
[13:44] <NCommander> ericm_: cooloney_anything elsemajor to report?
[13:44] <ericm_> not strictly following SRU
[13:44]  * NCommander really doesn't want to run over
[13:44] <ericm_> nothing from me
[13:44] <cooloney_> NCommander: nothing from my side now
[13:44] <ogra> go
[13:44] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:44] <ogra> dyfet, ??
[13:45] <plars> no qa status?
[13:45] <ogra> yeah, right
[13:45] <plars> I posted part of it, but I don't know if maybe GrueMaster has something to add
[13:45] <dyfet> qa status?
[13:45] <GrueMaster> I can, but not much.
[13:45]  * NCommander hiccuped
[13:45] <GrueMaster> Pretty much the same as in my AR.
[13:46] <plars> I updated status on the meeting page, but to quickly recap: we got good coverage on iso tracker tests but could always use more eyes, please spend a cycle testing an image or two if you have hardware when we hit these milestones, Suspend/resume blueprint is ready for use (let me know if you find any problems) and has already exposed several bugs (lp:~pwlars/checkbox/checkbox-susres)
[13:46] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[13:47] <NCommander> anything else here?
[13:47] <dyfet> oh in arm app status, we had another arm porting meeting, and submitted fixes for gmp
[13:47] <GrueMaster> I've done some extensive bluetooth testing on imx51 so far.  No issues with file transfer mode.
[13:47] <ogra> \o/
[13:47] <persia> Cool!
[13:48] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[13:48] <cooloney_> GrueMaster: great
[13:48] <NCommander> any objectoinis I mov eon?
[13:48] <persia> no
[13:48] <GrueMaster> I thought you had.
[13:48] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
[13:49] <ogra> he is not sure where he is moving to
[13:49] <ogra> :)
[13:49] <dyfet> ah :)...I am off sync this morning.  Too little coffee :)
[13:49] <dyfet> But we did have another arm minisprint last week
[13:49]  * ogra added his questions to the wiki for that topic
[13:50] <ogra> is that all for app-status ?
[13:50] <dyfet> well, we did get gmp updated
[13:50] <ogra> yes, you said so above :)
[13:51] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[13:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[13:51] <ogra> NCommander, err
[13:51] <ogra> FTBFS ?
[13:51] <persia> So, the server image built great!
[13:51] <ogra> netbook too apart from out-of-sync ness
[13:51] <persia> Ubuntu netbook needs evolution to be less skewed (should be sorted tomorrow)
[13:51] <ogra> right
[13:51] <persia> Kubuntu netbook needs help
[13:51]  * persia blames NCommander 
[13:51]  * StevenK does too
[13:51] <ogra> i dont think we need to repeat here whats written on the wiki
[13:51]  * StevenK blames NCommander for lots of things
[13:52]  * NCommander wonders who doesn't
[13:52] <persia> Next topic :)
[13:52]  * ogra only blames NCommander for skipping FTBFS status
[13:52] <NCommander> [topic] Blaming NCommander for Stuff
[13:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blaming NCommander for Stuff
[13:52] <NCommander> ogra: I didn't :-P
[13:52] <GrueMaster> I'm trying to get some outside help for the kde issues.
[13:52] <ogra> i didnt see you talking about it
[13:52] <NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business
[13:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[13:52] <ogra> there are questions on the wiki
[13:52] <ogra> and i'd like an answer
[13:53] <ogra> which is why i added them
[13:53] <NCommander> ogra: likewise is still pending validation, I worked with gruemaster on getting a windows box up to test on ARM, but no new progress on this front
[13:53] <GrueMaster> I am ramping up on likewise testing.
[13:53] <Riddell> GrueMaster: which issues?  which outside help?
[13:53] <ogra> dyfet, can you take over investigation of the squid issue ?
[13:53] <GrueMaster> Riddell: The ftbfs issues.
[13:53] <ogra> NCommander, did the patch get forwarded to server team (like i'm asking since about 6 weeks)
[13:54] <ogra> did they review the code changes and comment on them
[13:54] <persia> ogra: Only 3: be fair
[13:54] <NCommander> ogra: I was directed to working with likewise, as I said. Things got stuck in legal for a bit
[13:54] <ogra> persia, sprint was only 3 weeks ago ?
[13:54] <persia> ogra: According to my calendar, yes.
[13:55] <ogra> persia, sorry but i'm getting impatient on this its a simple bug and subscribing the server team to it
[13:55] <NCommander> ogra: yeah, plus I've had higher NMIs :-/
[13:55] <dyfet> ogra: yes
[13:55] <NCommander> ogra: I *told* you during the sprint the server team was forwaded
[13:55] <GrueMaster> same with my calendar.
[13:55] <persia> ogra: Understood.  Just seeking accuracy of complaint.
[13:55] <NCommander> and I told you I was working with likewise on this, its been dep-wait validation
[13:55] <ogra> NCommander, i didnt see a code review of your patch from anyone from them on your bug
[13:55] <NCommander> ogra: its been over email unfortnately
[13:55] <ogra> please ask them if the intrusive changes your patch makes are ok
[13:56] <NCommander> ogra: what intrusive changes?
[13:56] <ogra> and ask them to comment on the bug where the patch is attached
[13:56] <NCommander> ogra: the patch has to be validated against a Windows server installation to confirm it works, then it will be merged upstream
[13:56] <ogra> we can discuss details offline, i'm simply asking you to get a public comment from the server team since the sprint
[13:56] <GrueMaster> Something I hope to accomplish in the next couple of days.
[13:57] <ogra> cant be that hard, can it ?
[13:57] <NCommander> ogra: you never said public, I've been talking with them on it on IRC.
[13:57] <ogra> i asked you to subscribe them to the bug and do the conversation on the bug
[13:57]  * ogra sighs
[13:57] <ogra> lets move on
[13:57] <ogra> that takes to much time
[13:57] <GrueMaster> ogra: ever set up a Windows Active Directory Server before?
[13:57] <ogra> GrueMaster, to review some code changes ?
[13:58] <GrueMaster> To ensure they work.
[13:58] <GrueMaster> I can write code changes.  They won't do much good without testing though.
[13:58] <ogra> GrueMaster, i dont care if they have been tested, i want to have them approved first by the package maintainers
[13:58] <NCommander> ogra: look, if you want likewise, take it over. I'm merging this against upstream directly to make sure we don't ge t non-working binaries with our patch.
[13:59] <ogra> NCommander, all i'm askinf for since weeks is to make the conversation public on the bug and involve the server team in the bug
[13:59] <ogra> nothing more
[13:59] <NCommander> ogra: the bug been posted, and the server team been informed
[13:59] <ogra> i dont care about tech details
[14:00] <ogra> can you please makje sure that goes on the bug
[14:00] <NCommander> anything else w.r.t. to ABO anyone wants to bring up?
[14:00] <ogra> (the conversation and approval for the code changes from them)
[14:00] <NCommander> else I'd like to close out the meeting
[14:00] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[14:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:00.
[14:00] <ogra> there is a topic under AOB
[14:00]  * ogra curses anbd goes aflk
[14:01] <NCommander> ogra: we wer eon AOB
[15:01] <cjwatson> anyone else here for the DMB meeting?
[15:01] <showard> I am (applicant)
[15:01] <cjwatson> I have to leave early, I'm afraid, no later than 15:35 UTC
[15:02] <persia> stgraber: Aren't you chair this time?
[15:03] <didrocks> I am too (applicant2)
[15:03] <cjwatson> nixternal,soren: ping?
[15:03] <cjwatson> no cody-somerville, no geser
[15:04] <cjwatson> come on, I'm not going to back-seat chair this :)
[15:07] <cjwatson> sorry about this, showard and didrocks
[15:07] <cjwatson> the meeting time hasn't changed AFAIK so I'm not sure what's up
[15:08] <didrocks> cjwatson: not a problem, I still can live with sponsoring :)
[15:08] <persia> didrocks: Thanks for your patience.
[15:08] <showard> Is it possible to review my app over email?
[15:08] <cjwatson> we may be able to do that if we're not quorate in the meeting
[15:09] <cjwatson> though we always prefer to do it interactively if we can
[15:09] <persia> cjwatson: Shall we call ourselves unquorate at :15 if we don't get any others?
[15:09]  * soren wanders in
[15:09] <cjwatson> thanks, soren - we need at least one more
[15:09] <cjwatson> persia: yes, I think we'll have to
[15:10] <showard> ok, I'll try to make the next meeting then
[15:10] <soren> Sorry about being late. The calendar that was supposed to remind me about this meeting went missing two days ago :)
[15:10] <soren> \o/
[15:10] <persia> soren: geser: either of you up for chairing in stgraber's absence?
[15:10] <soren> I have a phone call at 15:30.
[15:10] <soren> UTC.
[15:10] <cjwatson> showard: looking at your wiki page, I think there's enough information there that we ought to be able to vote offline
[15:11] <cjwatson> ah, but geser has made it, ok
[15:11] <cjwatson> I have a hard stop at 15:35.
[15:11] <persia> #startmeeting
[15:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:11. The chair is persia.
[15:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:11] <persia> (since nobody else seemed to want to chair)
[15:11]  * soren hugs persia 
[15:11] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:12] <persia> [TOPIC] Action Item Review
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[15:12] <persia> [TOPIC] ScottK to start discussion on future of MOTU Council among its constituency (MOTU)
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  ScottK to start discussion on future of MOTU Council among its constituency (MOTU)
[15:12] <persia> I started such discussions to avoid further delay.
[15:12] <persia> [TOPIC] persia to gather votes from absent members by email
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  persia to gather votes from absent members by email
[15:12] <persia> I completely failed to do this and will send an email at the conclusion of this meeting
[15:13] <persia> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application for Scott Howard (showard314)
[15:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer Application for Scott Howard (showard314)
[15:13] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottHoward/ContributingDeveloperApplication
[15:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScottHoward/ContributingDeveloperApplication
[15:13] <showard> (if you're pressed on time, you can do ddrocks first, he's more important)
[15:13] <cjwatson> might as well go in order
[15:14] <cjwatson> I've been looking through your page while we waited, it's more fleshed out than I'd expected for a universe-contributor app (which is good!)
[15:14] <cjwatson> You seem to be doing pretty well so far, from everything I can tell; what are you planning as your next steps?
[15:14] <geser> but a little sparse with endorsements
[15:15] <showard> Next step is to finish going through the motu-science list, we were able to get all but 6 out of 600 packages up to date for lucid
[15:15] <showard> we fixed a bunch of library problems that should allow a few more to go
[15:16] <showard> but for now it's bug fixing
[15:16] <showard> long term is to eventually go for MOTU
[15:17] <persia> showard: You say that you feel "alone" when working on some stuff.  Do you find the IRC channels insufficiently active, or just not related to your areas of work?
[15:18] <showard> That was something I felt while working on GPM bugs, I was getting help when needed from IRC - but it was just Richard Hughes (the GPM author) and I working through a lot of bugs
[15:19] <showard> But once we got closer to beta, pitti helped a lot
[15:20] <showard> However, once I moved to "universe" bugs - the sponsorship help has been great
[15:20] <persia> Anyone have further questions?
[15:20] <soren> Nope.
[15:20] <geser> no
[15:20] <cjwatson> not I
[15:22] <persia> [VOTE] Approve Scott Howard for Contributing Developer
[15:22] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Scott Howard for Contributing Developer.
[15:22] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:22] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:22] <soren> +1
[15:22] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:22] <cjwatson> +1
[15:22] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:22] <persia> +1 Lovely workd
[15:22] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[15:22] <geser> +1
[15:22] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[15:22] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[15:22] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[15:22] <persia> Congratulations showard, and Welcome.
[15:22] <showard> Thanks!
[15:23] <persia> [TOPiC] Ubuntu Core Developer Application for Didier Roche (didrocks)
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Core Developer Application for Didier Roche (didrocks)
[15:23] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DidierRoche/CoreDevApplication
[15:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DidierRoche/CoreDevApplication
[15:23] <geser> Both didrocks and echidnaman (who isn't on the agenda for an unknown reason) mention problems with upload rights and package sets. IMHO this should be fixed if it's buggy and not worked around by becoming core-dev (but this shouldn't count against the applicants).
[15:23] <didrocks> hey o/
[15:23]  * ogra cheers for didrocks 
[15:24] <persia> ogra: Go add an endorsement to the wiki :)
[15:24] <didrocks> ogra: still time ;)
[15:24] <ogra> i havent sponsored a thing for him :)
[15:25] <cjwatson> geser: I agree that it's a problem, although it's conceptually difficult
[15:25] <cjwatson> but it's on my unfiled bug list
[15:26] <cjwatson> there's a tension between how much we want the ubuntu-desktop team to be able to change anything in the Ubuntu desktop, and how much we want to avoid them accidentally breaking other flavours, and that tension is the basic source of the problems
[15:26] <cjwatson> (after all, if we knew they wouldn't break other flavours, they'd be core-dev ... :-) )
[15:26] <persia> didrocks: When working with packages that affect other flavours, what is the most complicated issue in ensuring they work for everyone?
[15:27] <cjwatson> anyway.  my wife points out that I miscalculated my stop time and I need to go and pick the child up from school :-(
[15:27] <persia> And soren leaves in 3.
[15:27] <didrocks> persia: right, as you saw, I work very closely with the xubuntu guys in particular, for the default session thing
[15:27] <persia> didrocks: Apologies, but we won't be able to complete your applcation this time.  Do you wish us to try to continue by email, or come back in two weeks?
[15:28] <cjwatson> please consider this my +1 in advance of the formal vote; I have worked with didrocks on a few occasions, enough to be confident
[15:28] <didrocks> persia: as you want :)
[15:28] <didrocks> cjwatson: thanks
[15:28] <persia> soren: Do you want to register a vote in advance (privately or publically) as well?
[15:29] <soren> persia: Sure. I've seen enough of didrocks' work to be happy to +1 him.
[15:29]  * didrocks hugs soren as well :)
[15:29] <persia> In that case, we might be able to finish this application :)
[15:29]  * soren leaves for another meeting
[15:30] <didrocks> persia: so, I continue on the "consider deriatives" :)
[15:30] <persia> didrocks: Sorry for the interruption.  Please continue about cross-flavour issues.
[15:30] <didrocks> yeah, as I told, I tried to work closely and consider derivatives first. That's why I work on the multisession thing in gdm to enable to install more than one flavor (it wasn't possible to install both xubuntu and mythbuntu on karmic, for instance)
[15:31] <didrocks> and I have good friends in xubuntu community, so most of the time I've speaking with them if I feel a change can break them
[15:31] <didrocks> also, I'm now responible of UNE, which is a derivative finally :)
[15:31] <persia> flavour :)
[15:31] <didrocks> so, I put even more consideration on that
[15:31] <didrocks> right, flavour :)
[15:32] <didrocks> do I need to develop more?
[15:34] <persia> didrocks: So you mostly just test stuff in several flavours to ensure others aren't affected?
[15:34] <didrocks> persia: for things that I consider that may break other flavours, yes
[15:35] <didrocks> (like changing something in Xsession.d, gdm)
[15:35] <persia> geser: Anything?
[15:36] <geser> no questions
[15:36] <persia> [VOTE] Approve Didier Roche for Ubuntu Core Developer
[15:36] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Didier Roche for Ubuntu Core Developer.
[15:36] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[15:36] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[15:37] <geser> +1
[15:37] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[15:37] <persia> +1 I can't find anything useful to critique in recent core uploads, which isn't always true for long-term core-devs.  Nice and careful work
[15:37] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[15:37] <persia> And +2 from before
[15:37] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[15:37] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[15:37] <persia> didrocks: Congratulations, and Welcome!
[15:37] <didrocks> thanks persia and geser \o/
[15:38] <persia> echidnaman doesn't appear to be present, which is extra handy as we no longer have quorum.
[15:38] <persia> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:38] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:39] <persia> Anyone have anything that can usefully be brought to 2/7 of the DMB?
[15:40] <persia> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Select a chair for the next meeting
[15:40] <persia> geser: Are you up for volunteering for that?
[15:40]  * persia doesn't really want to do three in a row
[15:41] <geser> I'm (if my university schedule permits it which I still have to look at)
[15:41] <persia> OK.  We'll punt that to email then.
[15:41] <persia> #endmeeting
[15:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:41.
[15:41] <didrocks> thanks everyone :)
[16:59]  * smb looks around
[16:59] <bjf> Roll Call
[16:59]  * apw lands gracefully on the edge of your window
[16:59]  * smb is impressed with apw's skill
[16:59] <apw> i thank you
[17:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is bjf.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[17:00] <bjf> NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <bjf> NOTE: JFo is not joining us today. However, I have his data for the topics he is responsible for.
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Action Item: None
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Action Item: None
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[17:01] <bjf> Release Meeting Bugs (2 bugs, 0 blueprints)
[17:01] <bjf> [17:01] <bjf> Beta 1 Milestoned Bugs (62 bugs against all packages ())
[17:01] <bjf>  * 8 linux kernel bugs ()
[17:01] <bjf>  * 1 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs ()
[17:01] <bjf>  * 1 linux-ec2 bug ()
[17:01] <bjf>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs ()
[17:01] <bjf> [17:01] <bjf> Release Targeted Bugs (164 bugs against all packages (up 27))
[17:01] <bjf>  * 18 linux kernel bugs (up 3)
[17:01] <bjf>  * 1 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (down 2)
[17:01] <bjf>  * 1 linux-ec2 bug (up 1)
[17:01] <bjf>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (down 1)
[17:01] <bjf> [17:01] <bjf> Milestoned Features -
[17:01] <bjf>  * 0 blueprints
[17:01] <bjf> [17:01] <bjf> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[17:01] <bjf> Breakdown by status:
[17:01] <bjf> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[17:01] <bjf> == Blueprints
[17:01] <bjf> kernel-lucid-bug-handling:
[17:01] <bjf>  * No update, all items are still in progress.
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta (apw)
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-review-of-ubuntu-delta
[17:01] <apw> Lenovo driver confirmed no longer required and dropped.  This blueprint is essentially complete.
[17:01] <apw> ..
[17:02] <bjf> i'll remove it from the agenda
[17:02] <apw> ack ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[17:02] <apw> It seems we require SECCOMP enabled for Lucid, preliminary patches for ARM are under testing.
[17:02] <apw> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:02] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[17:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[17:02] <apw> The v2.6.33 DRM backport is looking very much the better starting point in most testing.  There are still issues to resolve but they are much much less severe.  The final go/no-go decision is expected in the next couple of days with the change occuring this week.
[17:02] <apw> ..
[17:02] <sconklin> We have been attempting to test the main Lucid kernel and also the Lucid kernel with the .33 drm backport, but have encountered problems with suspend/resume that appear to be related to the Iron Lake processor but not the drm drivers. We are continuing to try to sort out these problems.
[17:03] <sconklin> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-suspend-resume (manjo)
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-suspend-resume
[17:03] <bjf> no manjo today
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[17:04] <jjohansen> another submission going out today, wanted to sleep on d_path and d_namespace changes
[17:04] <jjohansen> also pam_apparmor will be finished up today as well
[17:04] <jjohansen> ..
[17:04] <apw> whats the reception like for your pushes?
[17:05] <jjohansen> hmm, not bad, the d_path stuff is getting the most conversation
[17:05] <apw> cool thanks ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance
[17:05] <apw> We remain around the 1.6s to rootfs mark.  There is some instability in the figure which looks to be a race during boot, needs further investigation.  Patches for incremental readahead detection are now in testing.
[17:05] <apw> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[17:06] <bjf> Nothing new this week.
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (amitk)
[17:06] <bjf> no amitk this week
[17:06] <apw> no amitk i believe
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[17:07] <jjohansen> no change from last week
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)
[17:07] <apw> Lucid is at stable v2.6.32.9.  We have taken a few small update icluding a wacom driver update.  As mentioned above we are still looking to update graphics with that likely to be the outcome.
[17:07] <apw> Progress has been pretty solid the last week, but new tasks and bugs pulling us back from the trend-line.  There is a fair bit to do before kernel freeze but the new bits should be in in time.  We will have to do some fixing after that.  We have closed off one of the slipped items, the rest remain and need pushing.
[17:07] <apw> If you have an at-risk item, i would like to know when its likely to be done.
[17:07] <apw> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[17:08] <smb> Dapper:      2.6.15-55.82  (security)
[17:08] <smb> Hardy:       2.6.24-27.65  (security)
[17:08] <smb>              2.6.24-27.67  (proposed)[8]   1/ 3 verifications done (+1)
[17:08] <smb> Intrepid:    2.6.27-17.45  (security)
[17:08] <smb> Jaunty:      2.6.28-18.59  (security)
[17:08] <smb> Karmic:      2.6.31-19.56  (security)
[17:08] <smb>              2.6.31-20.57  (proposed)[22]  8/19 verifications done (+3)
[17:08] <smb>  - LBM       2.6.31-20.22  (proposed)[22]  0/ 2 verifications done (+0)
[17:08] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-211.22 (security)
[17:08] <smb>              2.6.31-211.23 (waiting for acceptance)
[17:08] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-108.21 (security)
[17:08] <smb>              2.6.31-108.22 (proposed)[13]  0/ 1 verifications done (+0)
[17:08] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.31-304.10 (security)
[17:08] <smb>              2.6.31-304.11 (proposed)[13]  0/ 1 verifications done (+0)
[17:08] <smb> For Karmic: the following bugs are unverified:
[17:08] <smb> bug 504273, bug 494045, bug 494461 and bug 510722 (intel graphics)
[17:08] <smb> bug 458503 and bug 458503 (hotkeys)
[17:08] <smb> bug 506180 (ath5k regression by stable)
[17:08] <smb> jjohanson, could you comment on bug 428692 for karmic?
[17:08] <smb> For now there were some doubts on bug 452558 as of whether 96MB of memory
[17:08] <smb> stolen is a high ratio of overall memory on ARM. Probably someone with
[17:08] <smb> knowledge has to say there is still enough left.
[17:09] <smb> ..
[17:09] <smb> Go ubottu, go
[17:09] <smb> ..
[17:10] <bjf> jjohansen, ? comment on 428692
[17:10] <jjohansen> err, like?
[17:11] <smb> It likely just needs a quick feedback whether or not the current Karmic proposed kernel for ec2 is good enough to go updates
[17:11] <jjohansen> ah, okay I'll go add that
[17:11] <jjohansen> its been good since it went to proposed
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:12] <bjf> Incoming Bugs
[17:12] <bjf> 160/185 Lucid Bugs (up 25)
[17:12] <bjf> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:12] <bjf> [17:12] <bjf>   * 57 lucid bugs
[17:12] <bjf> [17:12] <bjf>   * 10 karmic bugs
[17:12] <bjf>   * 5 jaunty bugs
[17:12] <bjf>   * 2 intrepid bugs
[17:12] <bjf>   * 1 hardy bug
[17:12] <bjf> [17:12] <bjf>   * 57 karmic bugs 2
[17:12] <bjf>   * 23 jaunty bugs
[17:12] <bjf>   * 11 intrepid bugs
[17:12] <bjf>   * 4 hardy bugs
[17:12] <bjf> [17:12] <bjf>   * 1 karmic bug
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:12] <bjf> No bug day last week. This week's bug day has been postponed to next week. The focus will be on bugs with patches.
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[17:13] <apw> .
[17:13] <bjf> apw, go
[17:13] <apw> just a reminder we're heading into the last week for lucid before freeze
[17:13] <apw> anything you think you want in needs to be on my radar before friday
[17:13] <apw> ..
[17:14] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:14] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:14.
[17:14] <apw> bjf, thanks
[17:14] <cking> ditto
[17:14] <sconklin> bjf: thanks
[17:14] <smb> same
[17:15] <csurbhi> bjf, thanks !
[19:50] <McPeter> hi all
[19:50] <YoBoY> cool :D
[19:50] <YoBoY> hi
[19:50] <DisasteR> :)
[19:50] <issyl0> Hi
[19:50] <blizzkid> nite
[19:50] <kinouchou> cool :)
[19:53] <nijaba> o/
[19:53] <YoBoY> hi nijaba :)
[19:54] <kinouchou> hello
[19:57] <issyl0> Hi kinouchou.
[19:57] <kinouchou> hi issyl0
[19:58] <thorwil> hello
[19:59] <issyl0> win 1
[19:59] <issyl0> Oops, sorry.
[20:01] <nils1> is this meeting still ongoing?
[20:05] <forumsmatthew> ping EMEA board members: popey Seveas markvandenborre stgraber phanatic highvoltage
[20:05] <phanatic> forumsmatthew: pong
[20:05]  * highvoltage waves
[20:07] <forumsmatthew> hmm, I wonder where the others are...or do I have the time wrong for our meeting?
[20:08] <blizzkid> forumsmatthew: not if it's 20 UTC now ;)
[20:08] <phanatic> forumsmatthew: we should be having the meeting now
[20:08] <forumsmatthew> yeah, but sometimes I can't read... ;-)
[20:08] <forumsmatthew> okay, let's give them a couple more minutes and see
[20:09] <McPeter> :)
[20:09] <nils1> oh then am i not too late? here in germany its already 21h
[20:09] <YoBoY> nils1: in France too ;)
[20:09] <blizzkid> nils1: Belgium too, 20 UTC = 21 here ;)
[20:09] <highvoltage> stgraber has been traveling a lot the last 3 days, so he might be tired/jetlagged/etc
[20:10] <YoBoY> who lives with UTC time by the way :p
[20:10] <niko> hi there
[20:10] <knome> highvoltage, well he should be in a EU timezone anyway
[20:10] <phanatic> highvoltage: i think he mentioned that he wouldn't make it
[20:10] <McPeter> hi niko :)
[20:10] <nils1> puh! :-)
[20:10] <issyl0> Hello.
[20:10] <highvoltage> knome: yep he is indeed
[20:10] <knome> highvoltage, yup. last saw him 12 hours ago at a breakfast in london ;)
[20:11] <highvoltage> knome: yeah he's in Zurich now I believe
[20:11] <knome> highvoltage, yup
[20:11] <knome> highvoltage, (if his flight didn't get cancelled ;))
[20:11] <highvoltage> well I hope we get quorum, this is my first meeting as EMEA Council member
[20:12] <knome> i hope that as well
[20:12] <Pendulum> highvoltage: congrats!
[20:12] <didrocks> stgraber already missed the DMB board later :)
[20:12] <highvoltage> thanks Pendulum!
[20:13] <forumsmatthew> usually everyone is very good about sending a message if they can't make it, so I'm hopeful
[20:17] <issyl0> What's happening?
[20:17] <forumsmatthew> we're waiting a bit to see if another board member will show up...we're a bit of a small group for a quorum
[20:18] <blizzkid> forumsmatthew: we won't tell anyone ;-)
[20:18] <issyl0> forumsmatthew: ah, I see.  OK.  :)
[20:21] <popey> o/
[20:21] <highvoltage> yay
[20:21] <forumsmatthew> yay!!
[20:21] <popey> sorry, just got in from work
[20:21]  * knome hugs popey 
[20:22] <forumsmatthew> is phanatic still here?
[20:22] <popey> what we doing?
[20:22] <forumsmatthew> \o/
[20:22] <highvoltage> hi markvandenborre
[20:22] <markvandenborre> hi
[20:22] <markvandenborre> sorry about the delay
[20:22] <forumsmatthew> we are going to start now that you two have arrived
[20:22] <markvandenborre> network was down around here
[20:22] <phanatic> yup, still here
[20:23] <forumsmatthew> okay, let's start
[20:23] <forumsmatthew> thorwil, are you here?
[20:24] <knome> he is \o/
[20:24] <thorwil> forumsmatthew: yes
[20:24] <forumsmatthew> great! please introduce yourself
[20:24] <thorwil> hi! i'm Thorsten Wilms, a designer from Germany
[20:25] <thorwil> i'm active in ubuntu-artwork
[20:25] <thorwil> you might have seen one of the last 3 countdown banners
[20:25] <popey> ok, this one is easy for me, I've been aware of thorwils work on the artwork team for a while, and recognise Ken and mpt's testimonials, +1
[20:25] <thorwil> or the header of ubuntu-brainstorm ;)
[20:26] <highvoltage> I've been familiar with his work for a long time but not with him. Just read his wiki page and... wow.
[20:26] <highvoltage> +1
[20:26] <thorwil> thank you, popey
[20:26] <phanatic> very good testimonials, and excellent work. +1
[20:26] <markvandenborre> +1
[20:26] <knome> i could not agree more with popey, even if i'm only here to cheer for thorwil
[20:26] <forumsmatthew> Good examples of really nice work, excellent testimonials. Easy +1 for me
[20:26] <markvandenborre> this is so obvious
[20:26] <thorwil> thank you all! :D
[20:26] <popey> congrats thorwil :)
[20:26]  * popey does the launchpad stuff
[20:26] <forumsmatthew> That's all 4 of us. Congratulations!
[20:26] <highvoltage> congrats and welcome thorwil
[20:26] <knome> yay
[20:26] <knome> WOOOOHOOOO
[20:27]  * thorwil hugs everyone
[20:27] <forumsmatthew> YoBoY, you are up.
[20:27] <knome> the next round is on me
[20:27]  * troy_s clap clap.
[20:27] <YoBoY> :)
[20:27] <YoBoY> Hi, I'm Philippe, one of the current French documentation administrators.
[20:27] <YoBoY> I'm also one of the core organizers of the Ubuntu Party in Paris.
[20:27] <YoBoY> I've runned some bug jam and one doc jam las year, and i'm ready to run more this year.
[20:27] <YoBoY> My wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YoBoY
[20:27] <highvoltage> YoBoY: how long have you been working on the French documentation?
[20:28] <niko> if i can add a comment, he helps a lot french community
[20:28] <YoBoY> as administrator, since may 2009
[20:28] <phanatic> an easy one again after reading the testimonials. keep up the good work! +1
[20:28] <didrocks> (YoBoY is a core member of the 4K mafia which is now 5K on our French ubuntu party). /me cheers him ;)
[20:28] <YoBoY> but i write doc since the beginning, 2005 ^^
[20:28] <popey> heheh didrocks
[20:29] <YoBoY> tanks didrocks :p
[20:29] <forumsmatthew> I agree with phanatic, easy +1
[20:29] <highvoltage> yes great testimonials from very prominent French contributors. +1
[20:29] <forumsmatthew> popey?
[20:29] <popey> +1
[20:30] <forumsmatthew> \o/
[20:30] <didrocks> highvoltage: heh, you'll see, French people in force today ;)
[20:30] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[20:30] <didrocks> congrats YoBoY!
[20:30] <YoBoY> tanks everyone :)
[20:30] <popey> a testimonial from Christophe is very handy :)
[20:30] <highvoltage> congratulations and welcome YoBoY!
[20:30] <forumsmatthew> kinouchou, your turn. :)
[20:30] <kinouchou> hello
[20:30] <kinouchou> I'm kinouchou, I live in France
[20:30] <highvoltage> didrocks: well I'm learning French soon so I'm not complaining :)
[20:30] <kinouchou> I'm a end-user, not a developer
[20:30] <kinouchou> I help to organize the French ubuntu-party
[20:31] <kinouchou> and I'm the vice-treasurer
[20:31] <kinouchou> and I don't speak english :)
[20:31] <phanatic> again, the testimonials, and the work done speak for themselves :)
[20:31] <kinouchou> I help the french loco since 1 year
[20:31] <didrocks> (just can say the same than for YoBoY,CCC in addition that she does a lot of work huat and I should do/don't have the time to do in the French community)
[20:31] <niko> like YoBoY, he helps a lot ubuntu-fr loco during years
[20:32] <forumsmatthew> you have some great testimonials
[20:32] <davromaniak> kinouchou is a very good person on the Ubuntu Party French Team
[20:32] <didrocks> the only thing is that if we can have more money in ubuntu-fr bank account, she will deserve more hugs :)
[20:32] <popey> so great to see people come along and cheer!
[20:32] <popey> it really shows how our community works
[20:32] <forumsmatthew> we usually ask for at least 6 months of contributions, and it seems you have easily met that standard
[20:32] <highvoltage> she has great wiki page and contributions (I always go *wow* at the 5000 people events in Paris) as well as excellent testimonials. +1
[20:32] <YoBoY> (we paid them to come :p)
[20:33] <forumsmatthew> I love all the cheers here in irc
[20:33] <popey> hehe
[20:33] <phanatic> +1 of course :)
[20:33] <forumsmatthew> +1
[20:33] <popey> ahh, treasurer
[20:33] <popey> handy
[20:33] <popey> +1
[20:33] <markvandenborre> +1
[20:33] <forumsmatthew> congratulaions!!
[20:33] <YoBoY> congrats kinouchou :D
[20:33] <davromaniak> congratulations kinouchou and YoBoY
[20:33] <kinouchou> :)
[20:33] <didrocks> congrats kinouchou!
[20:33] <kinouchou> thanks
[20:33] <highvoltage> congratulations and welcome kinouchou!
[20:33] <forumsmatthew> bienvenue
[20:33] <McPeter> congrats kinouchou :)
[20:34] <forumsmatthew> blizzkid, are you ready? It is your turn
[20:34] <kinouchou> merci mc44  :)
[20:34] <blizzkid> I'm Martijn, a 31 year young SysAdmin from Belgium
[20:34] <markvandenborre> (I think I'd better abstain here, as Martijn might be too close to the Belgian team, no?)
[20:34] <blizzkid> I've been using linux on and off between 2000 and 2004
[20:34] <blizzkid> and Ubuntu since 2004 permanently
[20:35] <blizzkid> I'm a "silent" member of Ubuntu Belgium Loco team (I try to offer ideas via mailing lists, but most events are a bit outside my area)
[20:35] <blizzkid> I'm also a local support point
[20:35] <blizzkid> and teach an Ubuntu class at Syntra Mechelen
[20:36] <blizzkid> and most important, I'm an Ubuntu fanatic
[20:36] <highvoltage> blizzkid: what kind of work do you do in your loco team?
[20:36] <phanatic> markvandenborre: i'm interested in your opinion about him
[20:36] <forumsmatthew> is this your class? http://www.syntra-ab.be/opleidingen/Starten-met-Linux-Ubuntu
[20:37] <blizzkid> highvoltage: mainly offering ideas/suggestions atm tbh
[20:37] <blizzkid> forumsmatthew: no, it's the second year of sysadmin course
[20:37] <forumsmatthew> do you have a link we could look at?
[20:38] <blizzkid> forumsmatthew: I'll try to look it up if you give me a sec
[20:39] <blizzkid> hmm,can't find it right away, but I'll keep looking ;)
[20:39] <forumsmatthew> markvandenborre, I would also be interested in your opinion if you know Martijn
[20:39] <forumsmatthew> this maybe? http://www.syntra-ab.be/opleidingen/Linux-als-server-(systeembeheer)
[20:40] <blizzkid> http://www.syntra-ab.be/opleidingen/Netwerkbeheerder
[20:40] <forumsmatthew> thank you
[20:40] <blizzkid> np
[20:41] <markvandenborre> Syntra is basicly some +-public education institution for working (or jobless?) people to improve their skills after normal working hours
[20:41] <highvoltage> +0. good work so far, but I think in terms of solid sustained contributions I think we expect more for membership
[20:41] <forumsmatthew> I can see a lot of good things that you are doing. My hesitation is that I don't see many things that directly affect the Ubuntu community. Am I reading that correctly?
[20:42] <blizzkid> forumsmatthew: I try to offer support as much as possible as being a local support point
[20:42] <blizzkid> I've spread about 100 cd's in my area over the last 2 years
[20:42] <blizzkid> and helped install it for at least 8 people
[20:43] <forumsmatthew> That is a good thing. I would like to see some documentation of things done if they are to be used as a basis for membership
[20:43] <blizzkid> I can inderstand that
[20:43] <blizzkid> I'd like to point out the testimonials though
[20:43] <highvoltage> blizzkid: indeed, installing ubuntu for people in your area counts much more than being in the smokers team. you might want to list that :)
[20:44] <forumsmatthew> Unfortunately, I don't know any of those who wrote them and there are no links to them within the Ubuntu community so I can consider that.
[20:44] <blizzkid> highvoltage: yeah, I only noticed today it was missing :(
[20:44] <popey> one of the testimonials is from someone who no longer has a launchpad account
[20:44] <forumsmatthew> I like what I'm seeing, but at the moment I'm not sure we have enough evidence of sustained, real contributions for us to confer membership
[20:44] <phanatic> i agree with forumsmatthew
[20:44] <forumsmatthew> I'm +0 for now
[20:45] <highvoltage> blizzkid: I like your passion and your dedication, and from the testimonials it seems that you're very proficient technically as well, I would just like to see more of that proficiency used directly in the project
[20:45] <forumsmatthew> that isn't a rejection, just a "not-now"
[20:45] <phanatic> +0
[20:45] <blizzkid> np
[20:45] <popey> I am inclined to agree. I can see sporadic contribution via launchpad, and I'd like to see some more sustained and visible contribution. I'd say +0 for now, but I'd encourage you to keep working with the loco, and aim towards coming back in ~3 months?
[20:45] <forumsmatthew> perhaps with some better documentation (and continued excitement) we can reevaluate later
[20:45] <blizzkid> sure, np at all
[20:45] <forumsmatthew> Let's move on. Is issyl0 here? Ready?
[20:46] <issyl0> forumsmatthew: yep.
[20:46] <forumsmatthew> please introduce yourself :)
[20:46] <issyl0> Hi, I'm Isabell.  My wiki page is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/issyl0 . I'm in the UK.
[20:47] <issyl0> I've been contributing to Ubuntu since about August of last year and have got involved in many projects since then.
[20:49] <niko> if that can help, she works in a lot of projects, and she's very friendly and helpfull
[20:49] <forumsmatthew> I"m reading...
[20:49] <forumsmatthew> You are active in a lot of different things. How do you balance the desire to participate with the amount of time that is generally needed to do things well?
[20:50] <highvoltage> issyl0: one of your testimonials mention the Ubuntu Beginners Team, but it's not mentioned elsewhere in your wiki page. What is your involvement there?
[20:50] <issyl0> Well I do the things when I can (whcih is most nights) and I am passionate about Ubuntu so I dedicate lots of time to it :)
[20:51] <issyl0> highvoltage: oh yes, tht project I didn't quite get involved in, I decided I didn't have sufficient time to do that as well, but I showed an interest there and a willingness to participate there and I will go back and re-apply/join when I have more time which should be soon I hope.
[20:52] <highvoltage> issyl0: I like your work in the Ubuntu-Women project, it's great that you're getting interviews in FCM. Any other work you've done in Ubuntu-Women or plan to do?
[20:53] <forumsmatthew> Here's what I see: a young, bright, talented person with a lot of energy and excitement. That is wonderful. I'm a little worried about spreading yourself too thin, trying to do too many different things and thereby making it so what you do isn't as good as it could be.
[20:53] <forumsmatthew> I think we want and need people like you in the Ubuntu community, but I don't want you to burn out.
[20:54] <issyl0> highvoltage: well I plan to get involved as much as I can, but as for Ubuntu-Women I do advocacy and the FCM interviews.
[20:54] <highvoltage> ditto on what forumsmatthew said.
[20:54] <markvandenborre> I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave in 1.5 minutes
[20:54] <markvandenborre> +1, with the same remark from me
[20:54] <forumsmatthew> okay
[20:54]  * maco2 here to root for issyl0 
[20:54]  * mgdm too
[20:55]  * AlanBell too
[20:55] <forumsmatthew> here's my bottom line: I am willing to +1 for membership, but with a very strong encouragement to please pick a couple of things that you love and do them well.
[20:55] <issyl0> forumsmatthew: I do try to have breaks occasionally!  I do try to do things to the best of my ability and not spread myself too then, I know when to stop and I won't take on stuff if it's too much. :)
[20:55] <highvoltage> +1 from me for her involvement in ubuntu-women, great energy she brings to the project and good cheerleading from her supporters :)
[20:56] <issyl0> s/then/thin/
[20:56] <popey> I don't think breaks are what forumsmatthew is suggesting
[20:56] <forumsmatthew> I believe you. Please take my comments to heart and consider where you can be most helpful without spreading yourself thin, okay?
[20:56] <popey> I think it's more to do with focus
[20:56] <forumsmatthew> That's the word I was attempting to conjure up.
[20:56] <popey> i think ubuntu can benefit greatly from you issyl0
[20:57] <highvoltage> I think it already has!
[20:57] <forumsmatthew> Focus enables quality
[20:57] <maco2> popey: or already does ;)
[20:57] <issyl0> forumsmatthew: yes, thank you :)
[20:57] <popey> but I worry that you'll be spread thin, and we as a project wont benefit from the 'full fat' issyl0 but get 'semi skimmed' issyl0
[20:57] <highvoltage> issyl0: looking at your interests, a lot of them are big things on their own that aren't necessarily ubuntu specific
[20:57] <popey> maco2: ok, benefit _more_
[20:58] <forumsmatthew> Okay, lets vote. I'm +1 with the caveats I mentioned.
[20:58] <popey> I am going to +1 because you have some lovely testimonials and have achieved good things in a short time, and I think your enthusiasm should be encouraged.
[20:58] <forumsmatthew> mark vdb was +1
[20:58] <issyl0> highvoltage: I do dedicate most time to Ubuntu though, it's somethign I'm *very* passionate about and I love the whole philosophy and teh community and that's why I would like to become a member :)
[20:58] <forumsmatthew> oh, I see highvoltage is already +1
[20:59] <phanatic> i'm +1 too
[20:59] <forumsmatthew> congratulations and welcome!
[20:59] <issyl0> Woo!
[20:59] <popey> congrats
[20:59] <issyl0> Thank you!
[20:59] <issyl0> :D
[20:59] <YoBoY> congratulation issyl0 :)
[20:59] <maco2> woot!
[20:59] <highvoltage> I'd like to echo forumsmatthew's comments as well. It might not be a problem now but take his suggestions to heart and keep it in mind for the future
[20:59] <niko> congrtats :)
[20:59] <issyl0> YoBoY: thanks, contratulations to you too :)
[20:59] <Pendulum> congrats issyl0
[20:59] <YoBoY> :p
[20:59] <highvoltage> issyl0: congratulations and welcome!
[20:59] <issyl0> highvoltage: thanks, and I will take all suggestions to heart :)
[20:59] <forumsmatthew> Is there another meeting after us?
[20:59] <kinouchou> :) issyl0
[20:59] <popey> no
[21:00] <popey> eeek, cc in 1 hour
[21:00] <popey> i am happy to continue
[21:00] <forumsmatthew> do those of us here have time to try to evaluate the last two?
[21:00] <phanatic> sure
[21:00] <issyl0> Thank you, again!
[21:00] <highvoltage> Fine with me
[21:00] <forumsmatthew> highvoltage?
[21:00] <forumsmatthew> you are welcome, issyl0
[21:00] <popey> welcome btw highvoltage ;)
[21:00] <forumsmatthew> angelabad, are you ready?
[21:00] <highvoltage> thanks popey :)
[21:01] <forumsmatthew> please introduce yourself
[21:01] <angelabad> Hi Im Angel, Sysadmin from Spain, Im Debian Maintainer, I contributed with my
[21:01] <angelabad> debian packages and with package fixes in Ubuntu, triaging and forwarding
[21:01] <angelabad> bugs, and Im interested in package quality, fix
[21:01] <angelabad> lintian errors, add/update watch files, ...
[21:02] <highvoltage> angelabad: how many watch files have you added so far? I see 4 current uploads in LP
[21:03] <phanatic> i'd suggest you to go for a membership via MOTU, since you're not having too much community work that we can evaluate
[21:03] <angelabad> highvoltage, yes, 4 uploads to ubuntu
[21:03] <popey> I am inclined to agree with phanatic, I'd suggest MOTU would be a more appropriate route to membership..
[21:03] <forumsmatthew> phanatic, I agree
[21:03] <highvoltage> angelabad: I also notice you have 6 packages in REVU, although none of them are advocated yet
[21:04] <forumsmatthew> I like what you are doing, angel, but I'm not qualified to judge it properly
[21:04] <angelabad> highvoltage, yes waiting for advocation
[21:04] <popey> indeed, it's not a -1, it's a "go see dholbach" :)
[21:04] <angelabad> popey, :-D
[21:04] <forumsmatthew> what popey said.
[21:05] <popey> is that okay angelabad ?
[21:05] <highvoltage> angelabad: I agree with angelabad and phanatic, your interest is clearly with packaging. I suggest you get your work advocated and uploaded and work on becomming a MOTU or a developer of one of the new developer groups
[21:05] <highvoltage> -1 from me for now
[21:05] <forumsmatthew> -0 here
[21:05] <popey> +0 here ;)
[21:06] <angelabad> ok, thanks I will work with MOTU
[21:06] <forumsmatthew> best wishes
[21:06] <forumsmatthew> is nils here?
[21:06] <nils1> yes :-)
[21:06] <highvoltage> good luck angelabad hope you're a MOTU soon
[21:06] <forumsmatthew> great! Please introduce yourself
[21:06] <nils1> hi! i am nils, a philosophy student from germany
[21:06] <nils1> i am 28 years old
[21:07] <nils1> since summer 2009 i started with translations of gnome and ubuntu
[21:07] <nils1> i am also the coordinator of the lp-l10n-nds adminteam and since today, the new ubuntu-l10n-nds team
[21:07] <nils1> i coordinate and translated low german strings
[21:08] <highvoltage> your translation work is certainly impressive
[21:08] <nils1> low german is spoken worldwide by 10000000 people
[21:08] <nils1> my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ncfiedler
[21:08] <nils1> i also coordinate the gnoome upstream nds team
[21:08] <highvoltage> what are your other Ubuntu related interests besides translations?
[21:08] <nils1> i am also interested in security issues
[21:09] <nils1> but havent contributed there up to now
[21:09] <forumsmatthew> I see a solid five months of translation activity in LP. That is great--we usually require six months of sustained activity for membership, though
[21:09] <forumsmatthew> you wiki looks good, but there are no testimonials
[21:09] <forumsmatthew> we like testimonials
[21:10] <forumsmatthew> is there anyone here that can speak on your behalf?
[21:10] <nils1> david told me to act like one, but i guess he isnt online now
[21:10] <nils1> https://launchpad.net/~dpm
[21:10] <nils1> we talked todays evening about localizsation and the fallback problem in ubuntu
[21:11] <nils1> maybe arne goetje can say sth?
[21:11] <forumsmatthew> it looks like he is marked "away"
[21:11] <nils1> mmh..
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to suggest that we want you, but perhaps it would be better to come back next month
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> that will give you some time
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> to get some testimonials
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> and to meet the time guideline
[21:12] <popey> I agree
[21:12] <highvoltage> yes I think this may be another case of "we like you but please come again in 3 months"
[21:12] <nils1> i also manage those kde nds translations on lp because they have not much interest in that.
[21:12] <popey> I love what you're doing, and we need you to keep doing it! :)
[21:12] <nils1> 3 or 1 month?
[21:12] <forumsmatthew> agreed! you are doing wonderful things that we appreciate
[21:12] <popey> 3 months would be great!
[21:13] <popey> and if you can get people to add testimonials, even better
[21:13] <nils1> and where shall i get testimonials from in those 3 month?
[21:13] <forumsmatthew> I do think 3 is better than 1, just to give plenty of time to get good testimonials
[21:13] <highvoltage> forumsmatthew: besides the time guideline, I'd be more inclined to give you a +1 next time if you can show more breadth in your work (even just a little) and have testimonials from the people you worked with on your wiki page
[21:13] <forumsmatthew> ask others working on translations
[21:13] <forumsmatthew> to comment on your behalf
[21:13] <maco2> nils1: anyone who sees you working on stuff can give a testimonial
[21:13] <nils1> ok
[21:14] <maco2> nils1: you said "kde" so im guessing other folks in #kubuntu-devel
[21:14] <highvoltage> nils1: 3 months would also give you some good time to get more involved in security issues you may be interested in
[21:14] <nils1> and what do you mean by breadth?
[21:14] <highvoltage> nils1: feel free to add bug reports, patches and uploads you have worked on to your wiki page so that we are aware of them next time
[21:14] <forumsmatthew> this isn't a rejection, so please don't feel sad--this is a "we like you, continue what you are doing, maybe get involved in one or two more things in Ubuntu if you can, get some testimonials, and come back"
[21:15] <highvoltage> nils1: some work besides translations would broaden your profile
[21:15] <nils1> :-( mmmh.. ok
[21:15] <highvoltage> nils1: not that there's anything wrong with your translation work, it's great!
[21:15] <forumsmatthew> I don't think it is vital, but it would give others in the community a chance to know you and benefit from your involvement.
[21:15] <nils1> yes
[21:16] <forumsmatthew> Okay, I think that's it for tonight. Thank you everyone!
[21:16] <popey> great stuff
[21:16] <YoBoY> thanks everyone :)
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> good job at your first meeting as a board member, highvoltage
[21:17] <highvoltage> yes, thanks everyone who attended
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> :)
[21:17] <highvoltage> thanks forumsmatthew
[21:17] <issyl0> :)
[21:17] <highvoltage> does anyone take notes, and is someone tasked with the LP changes?
[21:17] <phanatic> thanks everyone, good night!
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> highvoltage, popey has taken care of the LP stuff already, and we have a log of the meeting
[21:17] <highvoltage> ok great
[21:18] <forumsmatthew> good night, everyone!
[21:18] <YoBoY> good bight
[21:18] <YoBoY> good night
[21:18] <McPeter> good night
[21:18] <kinouchou> good night
[21:18] <highvoltage> yes good night everyone!
[21:22] <Mamarok> nils1: about nds transaltions of KDE, did you get in touch with the upstream team?
[21:22] <Mamarok> translations*
[21:22] <Mamarok> I very much doubt they are not interested...
[21:22] <nils1> yes i did
[21:23] <nils1> and asked them a several times to contribute, because i did not want to make all the work on my own, because i am not using kde, but gnome. but they just do their upstream work
[21:24] <Mamarok> nils1: to be included in KDE you do know they need 70%, do you?
[21:24] <nils1> and as i am the coordinator for lp-l10n-nds, i also have to agree to those kde nds translations
[21:24] <nils1> they need 70% of what?
[21:25] <Mamarok> 70% of KDE translated
[21:25] <nils1> nds translations?
[21:25] <Mamarok> all trasnaltions, a language only gets into the offical trasnalted packages once it has acheived 70%
[21:25] <nils1> ah ok
[21:25] <Mamarok> so you really should contribute upstream IMHO
[21:26] <sabdfl1> hi all, apologies for being late
[21:26] <Mamarok> sorry, my typping is not very good tonight
[21:26] <nils1> but i cant do all the work on my own! i am nearly the only one in nds on lp who does the work
[21:26] <Mamarok> nils1: we should take this to a PM I think, cluttering the meeting channel
[21:27] <sabdfl> Technoviking: ping
[21:45] <popey> sabdfl: last I saw he's in detroit waiting on a flight
[21:45] <popey> 1.5 hours ago
[21:48] <jcastro> he just got on a plane
[21:57]  * pleia2 waves
[21:59]  * popey waves too
[22:00] <pleia2> so the only agenda item is ongoing in email
[22:05] <McPeter> bye bye all &amp; good night
[22:05] <persia> Are arbitrary updates to the wiki page for that welcomed?  The recent changes to the top section (which look nice), are not yet reflected in the bottom section.
[22:05]  * persia would be happy to fix, but feels some trepidation as previous editors have been CC members
[22:07] <pleia2> persia: I think making edits for accuracy are acceptable
[22:07] <popey> I dont think we're precious about edits to that page :)
[22:07] <persia> OK.  I'll take a swing at it in a few hours.  It's mostly changing from "you" to "The community Council" about poll setups and the like.
[22:08] <pleia2> looks like only popey and I are here, so no quorum - shall we adjourn?
[22:09] <pleia2> (and no new topics)
[22:11] <popey> sounds fair
[22:16] <sabdfl> argh, missed you all
[22:16] <popey> heh
[22:16] <popey> tbh we're probably still here lurking sabdfl
[22:19] <kinouchou> good night