[02:31]  * genii scrounges for more caffeine
[06:19] <DaemonFC> knock knock?
[06:20] <persia> If you've a query ask.  If someone is able to address it, they shall.
[06:21] <DaemonFC> when trying to connect to #ubuntu, I get diverted to a room whee a bot is telling me my router is all *cough unpoliteness*uncough*'d up and has a DCC Exploit or something
[06:21] <Tm_T> DaemonFC: yes
[06:21] <DaemonFC> this has never happened before and nothing in my configuration has changed
[06:21] <Tm_T> DaemonFC: you haven't been around when exploit attack happened, then? (:
[06:22] <DaemonFC> Tm_T, So what's with the sudden nature of the unpleasantness of the firmware that Linksys will probably never update again?
[06:22] <jussi01> DaemonFC: have you read the link in the topic of that channel?
[06:23] <DaemonFC> I just want to know exactly what's wrong on my end before I go around poking with things and make it look like it's OK again but have really left a problem unfixed
[06:24] <Tm_T> DaemonFC: the link will explain what's the deal (:
[06:24] <DaemonFC> so it's nothing more than changing a port?
[06:24] <DaemonFC> is there some kind of worm banging on people's clients?
[06:25] <jussi01> DaemonFC: yeah, all you need it to change the port
[06:25] <DaemonFC> alrighty then, it was just unexpected
[06:25] <DaemonFC> thanks and have a good one
[06:42]  * elky pokes the bot
[06:43] <elky> !ping
[06:43] <elky> then log me in, you inane pile of bytes
[06:44] <elky> @btlogin
[06:44] <elky> !btlogin
[06:44] <elky> :(
[06:44] <elky> mean bot.
[06:44] <Myrtti> it's slow, the ban database is getting slow
[06:44] <elky> ... 3 minutes of slow
[06:44] <Myrtti> yup
 Sorry, I don't know anything about btlogin
[06:45] <elky> from the /msg ubottu btlogin 3 minutes ago
[06:45] <Tm_T> it's monday already?
[06:45] <Myrtti> you did @login and then @btlogin?
[06:45] <elky> @whoami
[06:46] <Myrtti> @whoami
[06:46] <elky> :(
[06:46] <Myrtti> o___0
[06:46] <elky> it hates me
[06:46] <persia> Well, that's clear.
[06:46] <elky> someone gimme a bt session link plzkthx
[06:51] <elky> heh my previous session for it still works
[06:53] <MenZa> I'm watching out for igawoem in -ot.
[06:56] <Myrtti> !pm > aaron_liuj
[07:01] <jussi01> elky: you have done @login ?
[07:01] <elky> to no avail
[07:02] <jussi01> can you please do it again, in channel?
[07:03] <jussi01> elky: ^^
[07:03] <elky> @login
[07:03] <elky> wtf, now you listen?
[07:04] <elky> s/f/.../
[07:04] <jussi01> every thing else work now? ;)
[07:04] <elky> @btlogin
[07:04] <elky> apparently yes
[07:04] <elky> @whoami
[07:05] <elky> i did pm the login before, maybe that was the prob?
[07:05] <jussi01> perhaps
[07:07] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: ping
[07:34] <petsounds> hi all
[07:35] <petsounds> is it possible to use ubottu in #ubuntu-id ? thanks
[07:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:41] <knome> morning daniel
[07:41] <Myrtti> moin :-)
[07:42] <dholbach> hey :)
[07:42]  * Myrtti goes to run errands before buses and mail traffic grinds to a halt
[07:48] <jussi01> jpds: could you drop a clone in there?
[07:49] <jussi01> (see the request from petsounds)
[07:52] <knome> morning jussi01
[07:52] <jussi01> huomenta knome
[07:52] <Myrtti> yes, the Finnish mafia grows
[07:53] <knome> heh
[07:55] <knome> gonna go grab some breakfast now, see you guys later
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> jussi01: pong
[08:22] <jussi01> tonyyarusso: PM
[08:22] <jussi01> ?
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> sure
[08:25] <jussi01> Just a reminder for all that the memberships for the ops teams expire tomorrow, so if you havent renewed yet and want to....
[08:27] <Tm_T> jussi01: and how I can make sure I haven't forgot any? (:
[08:28] <jussi01> Tm_T: look at your memberships on lp and the dates they expire?
[08:39] <p1oooop> !voivr
[08:39] <p1oooop> !voice me
[08:40] <mneptok> p1oooop: request denied. anything else we can help you with?
[08:42] <p1oooop> I'd like to know why I was banned from ubuntu
[08:42] <p1oooop> *#ubuntu
[08:42] <mneptok> @login
[08:43] <mneptok> please stand by.
[08:44] <mneptok> it appears that the router you use is susceptible to a know exploit
[08:44] <mneptok> *known
[08:44] <p1oooop> oh my
[08:44] <mneptok> did you get redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic, and if so, did you read the topic?
[08:45] <p1oooop> I guess IRC isn't safe anymore :P
[08:45] <p1oooop> I didn't follow the link though, should I do that
[08:45] <p1oooop> yeah, I'll do that
[08:46] <mneptok> attemtping to follow instructions before asking for help with the instructions is usually a good idea. ;)
[08:48] <persia> So, how does the voicing in this channel work?  Ops can see everything, but non-ops can't see each other?
[08:50] <jussi01> persia: no, voicing is done that ops are voiced and anyone can talk. the +v is for identification only.
[08:50] <jussi01> persia: same as #freenode
[08:51]  * persia has never been to #freenode
[08:51] <p1oooop> so mneptok I was wondering what the exploit is
[08:51] <persia> jussi01: But that makes sense.  Thanks for the explanation.  I thought it was a strange hack.
[08:51] <jussi01> persia: yw
[08:51]  * p1oooop thought voicing was necessary for talking before today :P
[08:52] <persia> p1oooop: Depends on the channel.  Does the link not give you enough infomation?
[08:53] <p1oooop> huh, again people ruin services for other people :P
[08:53] <p1oooop> anyone know who the "abusive users" are?
[08:53] <mneptok> any channel that is -m does not need +v or +o to speak
[08:57] <jussi01> p1oooop: there are many of them and they are usually removed from the network as soon as an attack happens
[08:58] <p1oooop> I would be surprised if they were not
[08:58] <jussi01> !modes| persia, this is a really good reference
[08:58] <p1oooop> well, time for me to go... don't wanna clog up the channel
[09:02] <persia> jussi01: Thanks.  I should delve ubottu's brain more often.
[09:03] <jussi01> persia: theres a lot there, but !search is really useful if you are looking for something.
[09:03] <jussi01> !search modes
[09:03] <jussi01> !umode
[14:44] <Myrtti> Pici: the realname looks like the turkish onjoin spammers
[14:44] <Pici> Myrtti: I didn't see where it was reported who was spamming
[14:44] <Myrtti> just do a lastlog on phaedra
[14:44] <Pici> nevermind, I see it now
[14:47] <Myrtti> I kicked Guest02344 [~Laki_On_c@95.66.47.246] earlier
[16:23] <bjf> how does one go about changing a channel topic now that ops is required?
[16:25] <ikonia> bjf: which channel ?
[16:25] <bjf> #ubuntu-kernel
[16:25] <ikonia> bjf: contact one of the ops team for that channel
[16:26] <bjf> how do I know who the ops team is for any channel?
[16:26] <persia>  /cs access #channel list
[16:26] <ikonia>  /msg chanserv acccess #ubuntu-kerel list
[16:26] <ikonia> persia: wow - quick
[16:26] <bjf> thanks
[16:32] <bjf>                      "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-kernel list"  didn't tell me anything
[16:33] <persia> bjf: Tells me lamont zul mdz jdub
[16:34] <persia> bjf: Check a response from (notices) or similar.
[16:34] <bjf> persia, all I got in the channel was: ">chanserv< access #ubuntu-kernel list"
[16:35]  * persia takes to /query
[17:09] <jussi01> heya bjf, you all sorted out now? did persia get everything sorted for you?
[17:10] <persia> No actually, for some reason bjf was never able to get the access list directly.
[17:10] <persia> I passed the relevant information, so the need is gone, but I don't understand why chanserv was being uncooperative
[17:11] <persia> bjf: What jussi01 is hinting at with the question is that those not ops are discouraged from idling in the channel.
[17:17] <jussi01> kkathman: Id go and get yourself a cloak also if I was you ;)
[17:17] <kkathman> a cloak?  does it need to be black?
[17:18] <jussi01> Just for those who dont know him, kkathman is an op from #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <Mamarok> hi kkathman :)
[17:18] <persia> kkathman: Given your role, I'd suggest a blue one.
[17:18]  * Mamarok was going to suggest so, too
[17:18] <kkathman> Hey Mamarok
[17:19] <kkathman> Hmm not sure I understand the blue vs. black but ok :)
[17:19]  * Myrtti adds oil on the axis of the rotating door
[17:25] <persia> heh
[17:26] <persia> kkathman: "blue" being the colour most frequently associated with "Kubuntu".
[17:26] <kkathman> persia:   ahhh IC
[17:26] <persia> Kubuntu cloaks are usually something like "kubuntu/member/kkathman"
[17:27] <Myrtti> really? hm....
[17:28] <persia> Myrtti: ?
[17:33] <Mamarok> kkathman: or, more prcisely, with KDE :)
[17:33] <kkathman> Mamarok: procedure to get one?  Or am I taking this too seriously:)
[17:33] <Mamarok> hm, I guess I need to pull out some cat hair again from my keyboard...
[17:34] <Mamarok> kkathman: well, are you a Kubuntu member?
[17:34] <kkathman> It's been a long time ago...I think so...my name appears in the K documenation that I helped write
[17:35] <Myrtti> i've not heard of kubuntu cloaks before
[17:35] <persia> kkathman: What's your LP ID?
[17:35] <kkathman> but I couldn't swear to it....i have the launchpage stuff
[17:35] <Mamarok> kkathman: then ask Riddell or some other Kubuntu person to get you a cloak
[17:35] <persia> Myrtti: I believe there to also be edubuntu cloaks, but similarly rare.
[17:36] <Myrtti> kubuntu members are ubuntu members and get ubuntu cloak afaik, but ymmv
[17:36] <Mamarok> Myrtti: no, there are Kubuntu cloaks, since like ever
[17:37] <kkathman> persia https://launchpad.net/~kkathman
[17:37] <Myrtti> right...
[17:37] <persia> Ah, you aren't a Kubuntu Member
[17:38] <Pici> I don't remember the last time I granted a Kubuntu member cloak
[17:41] <jussi01> I am a kubuntu member... points to cloak
[17:41] <Pici> jussi01: Perhaps you should be using your own account too.
[17:41] <kkathman> Hmm...
[17:41] <Mamarok> jussi01: your cloak says ubuntu
[17:41] <kkathman> ok Pici :)
[17:42] <jussi01> Pici: hrm? :D
[17:42] <kkathman> so am I understanding that the cloak isn't being offered and I should just forget it then?
[17:42] <Pici> kkathman: You can request an unaffiliated cloak from #freenode
[17:42] <Mamarok> kkathman: member cloaks are for members, and there is a clear process on how to become a member:
[17:43] <Mamarok> !member | kkathman
[17:43] <persia> kkathman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Membership
[17:43]  * persia has a blue-shaded link :p
[17:43] <Mamarok> persia: you beat me on that one :)
[17:43]  * persia had the advantage of having been digging on the wiki for 5 minutes
[17:43] <kkathman> seems like I went through that once before but I didn't meet qualifications for being a member
[17:44] <persia> kkathman: Perhaps that was a while ago?
[17:44] <kkathman> 2005
[17:45] <kkathman> there was something IIRC that had to do with you had to be involved in the development or doing packaging..
[17:45] <Myrtti> pft
[17:45] <persia> kkathman: That's not what the wiki page says.  "Contributions in all areas are welcome ..."
[17:45] <kkathman> I wroked on the K-documentation wtih robotgeek  but apparently that didn't qualify as whatever "contribution" criteria they were using at the time
[17:46] <persia> Try again.  I bet that's changed.
[17:46] <Myrtti> i've not packaged anything in my life, so the rules have changed
[17:46] <Pici> The contribution needs to bee sustained though.
[17:46] <kkathman> Pici  I see
[17:47] <kkathman> I remember that I just couldn't meet the requirements....I traveled a lot back then and was not home for a while
[17:48] <Mamarok> kkathman: nah, I am a member since quite some time, there never was need of being a packager
[17:49] <persia> Might have been different for Kubuntu way-back-when, but that was a bug that was fixed.
[18:08] <Tm_T> hi kkathman
[18:08] <kkathman> Hi Tm_T :)
[18:12] <Tm_T> jussi01: oh and yeah, I haven't seen kubuntu cloaks (:
[18:15] <jono> folks
[18:15] <jono> can you voice kenvandine in #ubuntu-classroom
[18:15] <Tm_T> sure
[18:16] <kkathman> It seems a rather involved process...to be a "member".   But I understand the need I suppose.
[18:16] <Tm_T> kkathman: use kubuntu-path, more familiar faces
[18:17] <kkathman> Tm_T:  huh?
[18:18] <Tm_T> kkathman: to be ubuntu-member, you get yourself through one of regional boards or some team board, like kubuntu
[18:18] <Myrtti> or ubuntu motu
[18:18] <Tm_T> ye
[18:18] <Myrtti> those are pretty much the options though
[18:19] <kkathman> Mamarok:  back when I joined, there was no "stated" requirement to be a packager, but I was told by the powers that be at the time, that it was almost a requirement that you be in development.  For instance, promoting and teaching in a company wasn't enough.
[18:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: times have changed (:
[18:19] <Myrtti> yeah, even I'm a member
[18:20] <Tm_T> being a packager is prolly easiest way to show your contributions though
[18:20] <kkathman> Tm_T:  I understand.  The wiki says you have to basically petition, get on the agenda of some meeting, basically prepare a statement, etc.
[18:21] <Mamarok> kkathman: it's the same for everyone :)
[18:21] <Tm_T> kkathman: yeah, like "I've been around in $channels helping people, advocating in local business and so on" (:
[18:21] <kkathman> I couldn't show continual contribution other than being in $k-o all the time, basically.  I did work on the doc at one time
[18:21] <Mamarok> kkathman: prepare a wiki, make yourself known, the work you do, etc.
[18:22] <kkathman> so perhaps I should just resign the ops.  Nalioth was the one that opped me way back when because he wanted a little more grey hair in there... now perhaps not necessary
[18:22] <Myrtti> pft
[18:22] <Myrtti> you can be an op without being a member
[18:22] <kkathman> Mamarok:  its in my launchpad wiki
[18:23] <Myrtti> it makes things easier, but it's not necessary
[18:23] <kkathman> Although I should update that content a bit
[18:23] <kkathman> Myrtti:  at one point you couldn't though....k-o was the exception I think
[18:24] <Mamarok> kkathman: no need to resign, you can get an uaffiliated cloak quite easily
[18:24] <Pici> kkathman: There are a number of ops who are not members and many of us got our membership because we were operators, not the other way around.
[18:24] <kkathman> Mamarok:  I'd like an affiliated one...with Megan Fox if that's possible
[18:25] <kkathman> Pici lol - I've been one basically since I guess. Warty
[18:25] <kkathman> thats a long time :)
[18:26] <kkathman> Nalioth, Robotgeek and I actually had a lunch togehter...pretty fun
[18:26] <kkathman> that was when robotgeek was still in the DFW area
[18:29] <Pici> kkathman: neat :)  If you still want a cloak, you're going to need to ask in #freenode
[18:29] <kkathman> Ok... I'll ask in there then.  That would be the unaffiliated one?
[18:30] <Pici> Yes.
[18:31] <kkathman> I don't mind pursuing the membership in kubuntu, but I feel I'd be pretty light on contirbution...ops for 5 years, worked on the K-documentation a few years ago...That about it...so probably too light to be considered
[18:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: being a helper in channels is contribution
[18:32] <kkathman> I appreciate that Tm_T :)  We go back a ways too eh?
[18:32] <Myrtti> Megan Fox, eh... right...
[18:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: only some, err, 5 years or so (:
[18:33] <kkathman> heh
[18:33] <kkathman> to me that's a while :)
[18:34] <persia> kkathman: Do apply rather than giving up.  I sit on a couple of the various boards and councils that grant membership, and I promise that if you've been doing steady work since way back when, and folk vouch for you, you can become a memeber.
[18:35] <kkathman> persia  okie dokie
[18:48] <Mamarok> kkathman: that was not even remotely funny...
[18:48] <kkathman> ?
[18:49] <Mamarok> Megan Fox, you should know better as an op :(
[18:50] <kkathman> Was there something wrong?  Was just a funny.  Apologize if anyone was offended...
[19:04] <Tm_T> oh the drama in -irc
[19:05]  * Pici is watching, quietly
[19:05] <Tm_T> I don't know -de channels enough to be able to comment in useful way
[19:12]  * MenZa either
[19:15]  * MenZa tries to refresh his German
[19:15]  * Pici uses gtrans.pl
[19:16] <Myrtti> heckler action
[19:16] <Myrtti> remind me again why it's a good idea to allow idling in here?
[19:17] <Myrtti> no, don't answer
[19:17] <Tm_T> Myrtti: because we don't hug others enough?
[19:17] <MenZa> heh
[19:20] <MenZa> Should I check out the logs from the channel?
[19:26] <jussi01> MenZa: it should be logged by the eubot
[19:26] <MenZa> good point
[19:46] <Pici> MenZa: Thanks for trying to mediate in there
[19:47] <MenZa> Happy to help.
[19:55] <MenZa> The -de IRC guidelines page is phenomenal.
[19:57] <Myrtti> it looks nice
[19:57] <Myrtti> the little I understand of it
[20:00] <MenZa> I love their appeals section
[20:00] <MenZa> "Take a deeeeeep breath, stay calm, and don't get emotional"
[20:02] <jussi01> can someone ping me in 35 mins, just so I remember? :D (cakes in the oven and no cake timer... :D )
[20:02] <knome> .P
[20:03] <Pici> jussi01: man at
[20:08] <jussi01> MenZa: really well done in there, thanks from me also :)
[20:08] <MenZa> :)
[20:10] <MenZa> Right, I'm off to nurse my sick girlfriend. The poor girl's sick.
[20:10] <MenZa> Aherm.
[20:10]  * MenZa tautologises.
[20:10] <knome> ehm.
[20:25]  * genii slides MenZa a thermos of coffee for the journey
[20:30] <Pici> !ping
[20:39] <Pici> staff, ty.
[20:40] <Myrtti> ♥
[20:43] <MenZa> genii: Thankies
[21:16] <gnomefreak> did anyone post minutes from sundays meeting?
[21:18] <persia> Isn't that why we have logs?
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i thought minutes were shorter than a log of the whole channel
[21:26] <gnomefreak> sorry was on phone
[21:29] <persia> Oh yeah, can be :)
[21:49] <jussi01> yeah, I havent yet posted them, sorry
[21:49] <jussi01> they are on mootbots logging still
[21:50] <gnomefreak> jussi01: no problem
[21:50]  * gnomefreak can wait as long as need be
[21:53] <topyli> could only wait for 3 minutes :)