| jelkner | #startmeeting | 18:40 |
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| meeting | Meeting started at 13:42 UTC. The chair is jelkner. | 18:40 |
| meeting | Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK | 18:40 |
| * jelkner is here | 18:40 | |
| * MYabes is here | 18:41 | |
| * hgrover is here | 18:43 | |
| jelkner | ok, i don't know who else is coming | 18:43 |
| jelkner | i hope anurag will | 18:43 |
| jelkner | lol | 18:44 |
| jelkner | hi Anurag | 18:44 |
| Anurag | hey jeff | 18:44 |
| jelkner | quick checkin | 18:44 |
| Anurag | just a heads up, might have to leave a little early today...have an exam at 3 | 18:44 |
| jelkner | ok, let's make this quick then | 18:44 |
| jelkner | we are at a bit of an impass | 18:44 |
| jelkner | the smoke test still needs work, but michael can't really be the editor | 18:45 |
| jelkner | it still refers to XOs all over the place | 18:45 |
| jelkner | so it's not much use for us | 18:45 |
| Anurag | ok, so I will make a completely new smoke test on a google spreadsheet | 18:46 |
| jelkner | Anurag, if you do that | 18:46 |
| Anurag | I want to make sure MYabes has this by tomorrow morning | 18:46 |
| jelkner | we should delete the wiki page | 18:46 |
| jelkner | Anurag, that would be great | 18:46 |
| jelkner | but one other thing we need to consider | 18:47 |
| jelkner | is that the real blocker at the moment is the lack of developers on the project | 18:47 |
| jelkner | seems to me dfarning needs right now what we can't provide | 18:47 |
| jelkner | so testing at this point may not be that important | 18:47 |
| Anurag | so how can we move forward? | 18:48 |
| jelkner | that's a great question | 18:48 |
| Anurag | i konw dfarning said last week that he is going to be busy with ASLO during the next couple weeks | 18:48 |
| jelkner | since i'm responsible for guiding michael | 18:48 |
| jelkner | this is an important issue for me | 18:48 |
| jelkner | here is what i decided for the moment | 18:48 |
| jelkner | michael will work on TurtleArt | 18:49 |
| jelkner | i've asked a former student to package TurtleArt for ubuntu | 18:49 |
| jelkner | he agreed to do that | 18:49 |
| jelkner | (i'm hiring him to do it, so it should be done soon) | 18:50 |
| jelkner | he will: | 18:50 |
| jelkner | 1. create an ubuntu 9.10 debian package for TurtleArt | 18:50 |
| jelkner | (maybe 10.04?) | 18:50 |
| jelkner | (i'm hoping there is no difference) | 18:50 |
| jelkner | 2. create a PPA for the package | 18:51 |
| jelkner | 3. begin the process of submitting the package for inclusion in universe | 18:51 |
| jelkner | the main way we can play a role in this project is as an educational institution | 18:51 |
| jelkner | using, documenting, developing curriculum, etc | 18:52 |
| jelkner | once sugar is further along, we can return to testing | 18:52 |
| jelkner | so the smoke test will be important | 18:53 |
| jelkner | we should decide what to do with it | 18:53 |
| jelkner | and along with cleaning up the wiki site in general | 18:53 |
| jelkner | we should decide where it belongs | 18:53 |
| jelkner | i think keeping the current wiki page is fine | 18:54 |
| jelkner | if we edit it to make it usable | 18:54 |
| jelkner | Anurag, what do you think? | 18:54 |
| Anurag | makes sense, just kinda confused as to how an educational institution is going to help in such a technical project | 18:54 |
| jelkner | Anurag, keep in mind, this is an *educational* project ;-) | 18:55 |
| jelkner | in fact, the iaep@sugarlabs.org stands for (It's An Education Project) | 18:55 |
| Anurag | yea but in terms of using, documenting, developing curriculum, is that something that we are focusing on as part of the USR project | 18:56 |
| jelkner | we are the customers for whom sugar exists | 18:56 |
| jelkner | Anurag, you're right, of course | 18:56 |
| jelkner | it is hackers that the project lacks | 18:56 |
| jelkner | not educators at the moment | 18:57 |
| jelkner | (until such time as a platform exists that educators can use) | 18:57 |
| jelkner | we are only here because we are an ubuntu shop | 18:57 |
| jelkner | interested in running sugar | 18:57 |
| jelkner | so we certainly have the hardware available for testing | 18:57 |
| jelkner | we just need something to test :( | 18:57 |
| Anurag | right, so really we can't make much progress in testing right now | 18:58 |
| jelkner | i'm afraid you're right | 18:58 |
| Anurag | does MYabes have experience with packaging? | 18:58 |
| jelkner | we are putting the cart before the horse | 18:58 |
| jelkner | Anurag, none | 18:58 |
| Anurag | Caroline sent me some videos that are pretty helpful | 18:58 |
| jelkner | i have a former student who can package | 18:58 |
| Anurag | o ok | 18:59 |
| jelkner | but i have to pay him to do so, and my funds are limited | 18:59 |
| jelkner | so i'm going to ask him to package TurtleArt | 18:59 |
| jelkner | which i think we can make the most immediate use of in our educational program | 18:59 |
| jelkner | and then i'll wait for USR to mature | 18:59 |
| jelkner | i did offer caroline some of my own time to help with cleaning up launchpad | 19:00 |
| jelkner | and i'll do that | 19:00 |
| jelkner | but i don't think i'll have more than about 4 hours per week | 19:00 |
| jelkner | i don't know if you could help with that? | 19:00 |
| jelkner | the launchpad site is a mess | 19:01 |
| Anurag | o ok, r u referring to the USR launchpad site? | 19:01 |
| jelkner | since it is littered with past sugar ports | 19:01 |
| jelkner | versions previous to 0,88 | 19:01 |
| jelkner | 0.88 | 19:01 |
| jelkner | for platforms previous to 10.04 (lucid) | 19:01 |
| jelkner | packages that are no longer needed are there | 19:02 |
| jelkner | it is very confusing and raises the barrier to entry for someone who would want to help | 19:02 |
| jelkner | what's needed is to clean that up | 19:02 |
| Anurag | ok so we want to limit it to 10.04 and .88? | 19:02 |
| jelkner | yes | 19:02 |
| jelkner | anything else is just a dead end at this point | 19:03 |
| jelkner | so we need to find out who owns the other packages | 19:03 |
| jelkner | and get them to withdrawal them | 19:03 |
| Anurag | well since USR is kind of at a stalemate, I guess I can help with cleaning up the wiki and launchpad | 19:03 |
| jelkner | it means investigating and communicating | 19:03 |
| jelkner | not something our high schoolers are particularly good at yet :( | 19:04 |
| Anurag | u can't withdraw them with admin rights? | 19:04 |
| jelkner | we either need to find the package owner and ask them | 19:04 |
| Anurag | ok | 19:05 |
| Anurag | what do u think needs to be done with the wiki? | 19:05 |
| jelkner | or if the package is stale, and an owner can't be found, we need to plead with the launchpad admins to help us | 19:06 |
| jelkner | ok, the wiki we have more control over | 19:06 |
| jelkner | we just need to make sure it makes sense | 19:06 |
| jelkner | dfarning is requesting our help with that | 19:07 |
| jelkner | since he has looked at it too many times to be able to see it with fresh eyes | 19:07 |
| Anurag | ok that's something I definitely feel comfortable doing | 19:07 |
| jelkner | perfect | 19:07 |
| Anurag | I just need some direction in what needs to be changed | 19:08 |
| jelkner | i say we keep the smoke test where it is | 19:08 |
| Anurag | 1. The smoke test needs to be modififed | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and just edit it | 19:08 |
| Anurag | right | 19:08 |
| jelkner | to remove all references to XO | 19:08 |
| Anurag | right | 19:08 |
| jelkner | and make sure all the tests it asks one to perform make sense | 19:08 |
| jelkner | we can't test 802.11s, for example | 19:08 |
| jelkner | but we could test setting up a schoolserver and using jabber | 19:09 |
| Anurag | ok, other than the smoke test, what other work needs to be done on the wki | 19:09 |
| jelkner | (though let's not do that at 1st) | 19:09 |
| jelkner | you and i can both poke around | 19:09 |
| jelkner | looking at the flow from page to page | 19:09 |
| jelkner | and making sure things make sense | 19:09 |
| Anurag | right | 19:10 |
| jelkner | the easier it is to navigate, the easier it will be to grow our community | 19:10 |
| jelkner | since folks will find us through it | 19:10 |
| jelkner | and if take them into a labyrinth, they are not likely to come back :( | 19:11 |
| jelkner | ok, you have a test | 19:11 |
| jelkner | and i have students to attend to | 19:11 |
| jelkner | same time next week? | 19:11 |
| jelkner | Anurag, give me an affirmative on that and i'll end the meeting ;-) | 19:12 |
| Anurag | sounds good | 19:12 |
| jelkner | #endmeeting | 19:12 |
| meeting | Meeting finished at 14:14. | 19:12 |
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