[18:40] #startmeeting [18:40] Meeting started at 13:42 UTC. The chair is jelkner. [18:40] Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK [18:40] * jelkner is here [18:41] * MYabes is here [18:43] * hgrover is here [18:43] ok, i don't know who else is coming [18:43] i hope anurag will [18:44] lol [18:44] hi Anurag [18:44] hey jeff [18:44] quick checkin [18:44] just a heads up, might have to leave a little early today...have an exam at 3 [18:44] ok, let's make this quick then [18:44] we are at a bit of an impass [18:45] the smoke test still needs work, but michael can't really be the editor [18:45] it still refers to XOs all over the place [18:45] so it's not much use for us [18:46] ok, so I will make a completely new smoke test on a google spreadsheet [18:46] Anurag, if you do that [18:46] I want to make sure MYabes has this by tomorrow morning [18:46] we should delete the wiki page [18:46] Anurag, that would be great [18:47] but one other thing we need to consider [18:47] is that the real blocker at the moment is the lack of developers on the project [18:47] seems to me dfarning needs right now what we can't provide [18:47] so testing at this point may not be that important [18:48] so how can we move forward? [18:48] that's a great question [18:48] i konw dfarning said last week that he is going to be busy with ASLO during the next couple weeks [18:48] since i'm responsible for guiding michael [18:48] this is an important issue for me [18:48] here is what i decided for the moment [18:49] michael will work on TurtleArt [18:49] i've asked a former student to package TurtleArt for ubuntu [18:49] he agreed to do that [18:50] (i'm hiring him to do it, so it should be done soon) [18:50] he will: [18:50] 1. create an ubuntu 9.10 debian package for TurtleArt [18:50] (maybe 10.04?) [18:50] (i'm hoping there is no difference) [18:51] 2. create a PPA for the package [18:51] 3. begin the process of submitting the package for inclusion in universe [18:51] the main way we can play a role in this project is as an educational institution [18:52] using, documenting, developing curriculum, etc [18:52] once sugar is further along, we can return to testing [18:53] so the smoke test will be important [18:53] we should decide what to do with it [18:53] and along with cleaning up the wiki site in general [18:53] we should decide where it belongs [18:54] i think keeping the current wiki page is fine [18:54] if we edit it to make it usable [18:54] Anurag, what do you think? [18:54] makes sense, just kinda confused as to how an educational institution is going to help in such a technical project [18:55] Anurag, keep in mind, this is an *educational* project ;-) [18:55] in fact, the iaep@sugarlabs.org stands for (It's An Education Project) [18:56] yea but in terms of using, documenting, developing curriculum, is that something that we are focusing on as part of the USR project [18:56] we are the customers for whom sugar exists [18:56] Anurag, you're right, of course [18:56] it is hackers that the project lacks [18:57] not educators at the moment [18:57] (until such time as a platform exists that educators can use) [18:57] we are only here because we are an ubuntu shop [18:57] interested in running sugar [18:57] so we certainly have the hardware available for testing [18:57] we just need something to test :( [18:58] right, so really we can't make much progress in testing right now [18:58] i'm afraid you're right [18:58] does MYabes have experience with packaging? [18:58] we are putting the cart before the horse [18:58] Anurag, none [18:58] Caroline sent me some videos that are pretty helpful [18:58] i have a former student who can package [18:59] o ok [18:59] but i have to pay him to do so, and my funds are limited [18:59] so i'm going to ask him to package TurtleArt [18:59] which i think we can make the most immediate use of in our educational program [18:59] and then i'll wait for USR to mature [19:00] i did offer caroline some of my own time to help with cleaning up launchpad [19:00] and i'll do that [19:00] but i don't think i'll have more than about 4 hours per week [19:00] i don't know if you could help with that? [19:01] the launchpad site is a mess [19:01] o ok, r u referring to the USR launchpad site? [19:01] since it is littered with past sugar ports [19:01] versions previous to 0,88 [19:01] 0.88 [19:01] for platforms previous to 10.04 (lucid) [19:02] packages that are no longer needed are there [19:02] it is very confusing and raises the barrier to entry for someone who would want to help [19:02] what's needed is to clean that up [19:02] ok so we want to limit it to 10.04 and .88? [19:02] yes [19:03] anything else is just a dead end at this point [19:03] so we need to find out who owns the other packages [19:03] and get them to withdrawal them [19:03] well since USR is kind of at a stalemate, I guess I can help with cleaning up the wiki and launchpad [19:03] it means investigating and communicating [19:04] not something our high schoolers are particularly good at yet :( [19:04] u can't withdraw them with admin rights? [19:04] we either need to find the package owner and ask them [19:05] ok [19:05] what do u think needs to be done with the wiki? [19:06] or if the package is stale, and an owner can't be found, we need to plead with the launchpad admins to help us [19:06] ok, the wiki we have more control over [19:06] we just need to make sure it makes sense [19:07] dfarning is requesting our help with that [19:07] since he has looked at it too many times to be able to see it with fresh eyes [19:07] ok that's something I definitely feel comfortable doing [19:07] perfect [19:08] I just need some direction in what needs to be changed [19:08] i say we keep the smoke test where it is [19:08] 1. The smoke test needs to be modififed [19:08] and just edit it [19:08] right [19:08] to remove all references to XO [19:08] right [19:08] and make sure all the tests it asks one to perform make sense [19:08] we can't test 802.11s, for example [19:09] but we could test setting up a schoolserver and using jabber [19:09] ok, other than the smoke test, what other work needs to be done on the wki [19:09] (though let's not do that at 1st) [19:09] you and i can both poke around [19:09] looking at the flow from page to page [19:09] and making sure things make sense [19:10] right [19:10] the easier it is to navigate, the easier it will be to grow our community [19:10] since folks will find us through it [19:11] and if take them into a labyrinth, they are not likely to come back :( [19:11] ok, you have a test [19:11] and i have students to attend to [19:11] same time next week? [19:12] Anurag, give me an affirmative on that and i'll end the meeting ;-) [19:12] sounds good [19:12] #endmeeting [19:12] Meeting finished at 14:14. [19:12] Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100302_1342.html