[18:40] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[18:40] <meeting> Meeting started at 13:42 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[18:40] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[18:40]  * jelkner is here
[18:41]  * MYabes is here
[18:43]  * hgrover is here
[18:43] <jelkner> ok, i don't know who else is coming
[18:43] <jelkner> i hope anurag will
[18:44] <jelkner> lol
[18:44] <jelkner> hi Anurag
[18:44] <Anurag> hey jeff
[18:44] <jelkner> quick checkin
[18:44] <Anurag> just a heads up, might have to leave a little early today...have an exam at 3
[18:44] <jelkner> ok, let's make this quick then
[18:44] <jelkner> we are at a bit of an impass
[18:45] <jelkner> the smoke test still needs work, but michael can't really be the editor
[18:45] <jelkner> it still refers to XOs all over the place
[18:45] <jelkner> so it's not much use for us
[18:46] <Anurag> ok, so I will make a completely new smoke test on a google spreadsheet
[18:46] <jelkner> Anurag, if you do that
[18:46] <Anurag> I want to make sure MYabes has this by tomorrow morning
[18:46] <jelkner> we should delete the wiki page
[18:46] <jelkner> Anurag, that would be great
[18:47] <jelkner> but one other thing we need to consider
[18:47] <jelkner> is that the real blocker at the moment is the lack of developers on the project
[18:47] <jelkner> seems to me dfarning needs right now what we can't provide
[18:47] <jelkner> so testing at this point may not be that important
[18:48] <Anurag> so how can we move forward?
[18:48] <jelkner> that's a great question
[18:48] <Anurag> i konw dfarning said last week that he is going to be busy with ASLO during the next couple weeks
[18:48] <jelkner> since i'm responsible for guiding michael
[18:48] <jelkner> this is an important issue for me
[18:48] <jelkner> here is what i decided for the moment
[18:49] <jelkner> michael will work on TurtleArt
[18:49] <jelkner> i've asked a former student to package TurtleArt for ubuntu
[18:49] <jelkner> he agreed to do that
[18:50] <jelkner> (i'm hiring him to do it, so it should be done soon)
[18:50] <jelkner> he will:
[18:50] <jelkner> 1. create an ubuntu 9.10 debian package for TurtleArt
[18:50] <jelkner> (maybe 10.04?)
[18:50] <jelkner> (i'm hoping there is no difference)
[18:51] <jelkner> 2. create a PPA for the package
[18:51] <jelkner> 3. begin the process of submitting the package for inclusion in universe
[18:51] <jelkner> the main way we can play a role in this project is as an educational institution
[18:52] <jelkner> using, documenting, developing curriculum, etc
[18:52] <jelkner> once sugar is further along, we can return to testing
[18:53] <jelkner> so the smoke test will be important
[18:53] <jelkner> we should decide what to do with it
[18:53] <jelkner> and along with cleaning up the wiki site in general
[18:53] <jelkner> we should decide where it belongs
[18:54] <jelkner> i think keeping the current wiki page is fine
[18:54] <jelkner> if we edit it to make it usable
[18:54] <jelkner> Anurag, what do you think?
[18:54] <Anurag> makes sense, just kinda confused as to how an educational institution is going to help in such a technical project
[18:55] <jelkner> Anurag, keep in mind, this is an *educational* project ;-)
[18:55] <jelkner> in fact, the iaep@sugarlabs.org stands for (It's An Education Project)
[18:56] <Anurag> yea but in terms of using, documenting, developing curriculum, is that something that we are focusing on as part of the USR project
[18:56] <jelkner> we are the customers for whom sugar exists
[18:56] <jelkner> Anurag, you're right, of course
[18:56] <jelkner> it is hackers that the project lacks
[18:57] <jelkner> not educators at the moment
[18:57] <jelkner> (until such time as a platform exists that educators can use)
[18:57] <jelkner> we are only here because we are an ubuntu shop
[18:57] <jelkner> interested in running sugar
[18:57] <jelkner> so we certainly have the hardware available for testing
[18:57] <jelkner> we just need something to test :(
[18:58] <Anurag> right, so really we can't make much progress in testing right now
[18:58] <jelkner> i'm afraid you're right
[18:58] <Anurag> does MYabes have experience with packaging?
[18:58] <jelkner> we are putting the cart before the horse
[18:58] <jelkner> Anurag, none
[18:58] <Anurag> Caroline sent me some videos that are pretty helpful
[18:58] <jelkner> i have a former student who can package
[18:59] <Anurag> o ok
[18:59] <jelkner> but i have to pay him to do so, and my funds are limited
[18:59] <jelkner> so i'm going to ask him to package TurtleArt
[18:59] <jelkner> which i think we can make the most immediate use of in our educational program
[18:59] <jelkner> and then i'll wait for USR to mature
[19:00] <jelkner> i did offer caroline some of my own time to help with cleaning up launchpad
[19:00] <jelkner> and i'll do that
[19:00] <jelkner> but i don't think i'll have more than about 4 hours per week
[19:00] <jelkner> i don't know if you could help with that?
[19:01] <jelkner> the launchpad site is a mess
[19:01] <Anurag> o ok, r u referring to the USR launchpad site?
[19:01] <jelkner> since it is littered with past sugar ports
[19:01] <jelkner> versions previous to 0,88
[19:01] <jelkner> 0.88
[19:01] <jelkner> for platforms previous to 10.04 (lucid)
[19:02] <jelkner> packages that are no longer needed are there
[19:02] <jelkner> it is very confusing and raises the barrier to entry for someone who would want to help
[19:02] <jelkner> what's needed is to clean that up
[19:02] <Anurag> ok so we want to limit it to 10.04 and .88?
[19:02] <jelkner> yes
[19:03] <jelkner> anything else is just a dead end at this point
[19:03] <jelkner> so we need to find out who owns the other packages
[19:03] <jelkner> and get them to withdrawal them
[19:03] <Anurag> well since USR is kind of at a stalemate, I guess I can help with cleaning up the wiki and launchpad
[19:03] <jelkner> it means investigating and communicating
[19:04] <jelkner> not something our high schoolers are particularly good at yet :(
[19:04] <Anurag> u can't withdraw them with admin rights?
[19:04] <jelkner> we either need to find the package owner and ask them
[19:05] <Anurag> ok
[19:05] <Anurag> what do u think needs to be done with the wiki?
[19:06] <jelkner> or if the package is stale, and an owner can't be found, we need to plead with the launchpad admins to help us
[19:06] <jelkner> ok, the wiki we have more control over
[19:06] <jelkner> we just need to make sure it makes sense
[19:07] <jelkner> dfarning is requesting our help with that
[19:07] <jelkner> since he has looked at it too many times to be able to see it with fresh eyes
[19:07] <Anurag> ok that's something I definitely feel comfortable doing
[19:07] <jelkner> perfect
[19:08] <Anurag> I just need some direction in what needs to be changed
[19:08] <jelkner> i say we keep the smoke test where it is
[19:08] <Anurag> 1. The smoke test needs to be modififed
[19:08] <jelkner> and just edit it
[19:08] <Anurag> right
[19:08] <jelkner> to remove all references to XO
[19:08] <Anurag> right
[19:08] <jelkner> and make sure all the tests it asks one to perform make sense
[19:08] <jelkner> we can't test 802.11s, for example
[19:09] <jelkner> but we could test setting up a schoolserver and using jabber
[19:09] <Anurag> ok, other than the smoke test, what other work needs to be done on the wki
[19:09] <jelkner> (though let's not do that at 1st)
[19:09] <jelkner> you and i can both poke around
[19:09] <jelkner> looking at the flow from page to page
[19:09] <jelkner> and making sure things make sense
[19:10] <Anurag> right
[19:10] <jelkner> the easier it is to navigate, the easier it will be to grow our community
[19:10] <jelkner> since folks will find us through it
[19:11] <jelkner> and if take them into a labyrinth, they are not likely to come back :(
[19:11] <jelkner> ok, you have a test
[19:11] <jelkner> and i have students to attend to
[19:11] <jelkner> same time next week?
[19:12] <jelkner> Anurag, give me an affirmative on that and i'll end the meeting ;-)
[19:12] <Anurag> sounds good
[19:12] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[19:12] <meeting> Meeting finished at 14:14.
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