[00:16] <Takyoji> Who would win in a pro-wrestling match against each other? RMS or Torvalds? :o
[00:16] <kermit> RMS
[00:18] <Takyoji> I don't think there's anything on the wiki or the website that implies that we have monthly meetings. :P
[00:18] <kermit> tclug doesnt even hamev monthly meetings
[00:19] <Takyoji> I love how Empathy also lacks a handful of IRC functionality
[00:19] <Takyoji> such as whois/whowas
[00:21] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: this is true
[00:21] <Takyoji> By the way, it isn't RJ45
[00:21] <Takyoji> It's something like 8P8C or something..
[00:22] <Takyoji> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8P8C
[00:22] <Takyoji> RJ45 is the common misconception
[00:23] <Takyoji> Can't easily find the Google calendar for the group either on the website
[00:24]  * tonyyarusso hides in shame
[00:24] <tonyyarusso> Actually, the Google calendar was one of my talking points
[00:24] <kermit> that thing is useful!  facebook should copy or integrate with it
[00:25] <Takyoji> Should also get a relatively technologically-inept individual and have them browse or try to find information
[00:25] <Takyoji> I think there's actually a way to sync events from Facebook
[00:27] <tonyyarusso> there is.  There are apps to convert your FB events to ical and such
[00:28] <tonyyarusso> Add your points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MinnesotaTeam/MeetingAgenda if you have any
[00:28] <Takyoji> also, is the underline in the navigation intentional?
[00:28] <Takyoji> Because otherwise I can fix that
[00:29] <Takyoji> and I'm still too stupid to find the Google calendar on the website..
[00:30] <Takyoji> and as of using free fonts, the "Upcoming Events" navigation element seems to break to a new line on my system..
[00:30] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure which underline you mean
[00:30] <Takyoji> About Us needs an icon
[00:32] <Takyoji> tonyyarusso: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/Screenshot.png?t=1267489942
[00:33] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: you mean the line between divs?
[00:33] <Takyoji> the underlining of each navigation element
[00:35] <tonyyarusso> yeah, that's a border, not an underline.
[00:35] <Takyoji> Erm
[00:35] <Takyoji> Border, yes
[00:35] <Takyoji> I'm not thinking straight today
[00:36] <kermit> you're in luck, mondays is one of the saloon's biggest nights.
[00:39] <tonyyarusso> our web site has had visitors from the Philippines, Morocco, Indonesia, and Argentina
[00:39] <Takyoji> Heh, if only the Ubuntu Wiki had Etherpad-like functionality
[00:39] <Takyoji> It would be very interesting
[00:39] <tonyyarusso> along with Virginia, Wisconsin, Illinois, Kansas, and DC :)
[00:43]  * Takyoji edits the wiki, saves, edits, saves, edits, saves.
[00:43]  * Takyoji twitches with OCD
[00:45] <tonyyarusso> okay, dinner's ready - I'll get back as soon as I can
[01:07]  * tonyyarusso is back
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> Adremelech, exigraff, h00k, jenkinbr, kermit, mr_steve, sparklehistory, Takyoji, zomGreg: Meeting!
[01:10] <Takyoji> Then start already. :P
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> ha, ok
[01:10] <sparklehistory> yeah, that's what I was waiting for!
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> Ubuntu Hours:  What have you done / where / how did it go / what do you want to try differently?
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory and I have been meeting at Barnes & Nobles on Thursday afternoons.
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> The wifi works, and it's quiet, so we can get homework done, but not a lot of traffic and nobody's talked to us so far.
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> Might need to consider a coffee shop type thing to get more attention perhaps...  I know the Mpls guys have been trying that - any success?
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> if they were here that is...
[01:13] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: have you done any?
[01:15] <Takyoji> I don't have really money at hand, and no accomplice.
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> We tried B&N since it was free.  An accomplice does help - surely you have at least one friend IRL, right?  ;)
[01:17] <Takyoji> I don't have anyone that's technologically-orientated, nor anyone that would seem interested.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Well, work on that.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> I guess without the other people here that's about it for that.
[01:20] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: update us on the status of that 5-a-dayish time idea?
[01:21] <Takyoji> Haven't really done much in regards of writing a Drupal module for such yet..
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> okay, want to tell us about the two things you added the agenda then ?
[01:25] <h00k> greetings, sorry I'm late.
[01:25] <Takyoji> Was just a few ideas for what people could do, otherwise we could perhaps use another method for keeping record of the whole "5-a-day"-ish thing
[01:25] <Takyoji> Such as the wiki perhaps, or just a really basic script, or something.
[01:25] <Takyoji> (Sidenote, there's also the Laptop Testing project; which anyone could participate in)
[01:26] <h00k> I had an Ubuntu Hour over in Wisconsin, It wasn't the best night for it, nobody came, but we had three people. At least we had the comradery.
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> h00k: where'd you go?
[01:27] <h00k> tonyyarusso: We went to a coffee shop in Superior - Red Mug
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: perhaps our web site should have a page of "stuff that's really easy to get started with"?
[01:27] <h00k> http://www.redmugcoffee.com/
[01:27] <h00k> They were very nice, except they happened to have the port xmpp uses blocked on their wireless, I wasn't too happy.
[01:30]  * Takyoji pokes at the quietness with a stick
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> all right
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> web site stuff
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> I think it would make sense to move the Google Calendar stuff over to Drupal, so things will integrate better.
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> One of the things I could do with that is send out meeting reminders, so these would be less dead.
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> thoughts?
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> (Yes, it would still output an ICS, so you could add it to your google calendar view or other PIM tool)
[01:32] <Takyoji> I have no objections
[01:33] <h00k> That'd be a good idea, I think it worked well for Wisconsin to have a reminder
[01:33] <h00k> and good call to keep an ICS
[01:33] <tonyyarusso> Would it be weird for a non-human (the site) to send messages to the mailing list occasionally?
[01:34] <h00k> for what purposes? meeting reminders?
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> at first at least - open to suggestions if you know of other use cases
[01:34] <h00k> I think would save some legwork for meeting reminders
[01:35]  * exigraff is here, late
[01:35] <h00k> or any other date reminders of things
[01:35]  * h00k shrugs
[01:35] <h00k> I can't think of anything else that it could be used for
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> k
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> I could use more help poking around and adding stuff - remember that you can do that.
[01:36] <sparklehistory> sending messages seems ok to me, other sites do it
[01:36] <h00k> maybe if the mailing list is dead it could throw a /usr/bin/fortune in there once a week ;)
[01:36] <Takyoji> heh
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> haha
[01:38] <exigraff> a mailing list bot would be awesome. seeing imposterbot contribute to the threads would make my day.
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> all right, so event enabling of web site good
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: you added "other tweaks" - did you have something in mind?
[01:39]  * h00k gives thumbsup
[01:40] <Takyoji> Just where anyone lists any changes that should be made in terms of content, layout, design--anything of the website
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> Well, I'd say two things to that:
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> 1)  Just do it if it's simple.  No need to write down "oh hey, 'somebody' should..."
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> 2)  File bugs against the ubuntu-minnesota-projects LP project
[01:42] <Takyoji> otherwise what else does the website need to be in feature-parity with the wiki?
[01:42] <Takyoji> Just simply migrate other content as well?
[01:43] <tonyyarusso> Some cleanup to look nice, a way of recording minutes for events (there's a module), better linkage to launchpad for tracking progress on to-do items
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> after that it will have parity, and we can work on making it better.
[01:45] <Takyoji> also, I have a minor critique, in regards of the navigation on the right
[01:45]  * h00k can't find the plastic forks
[01:46] <Takyoji> Considering we have pages that discuss the same information; and perhaps someone might follow one of the links, and become lost on the main Ubuntu website
[01:46] <Takyoji> (considering the same theme and everything as well)
[01:46] <tonyyarusso> a fair point
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> We should make sure that the pages we have link to the external pages in a clear fashion, and then we can remove those.
[01:48] <h00k> The left sidebar looks kinda silly, but that might just be my netbook
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> file a bug ;)
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> h00k: it is kind of silly.
[01:48] <Takyoji> in regards of the borders, correct?
[01:48] <tonyyarusso> One perk of the right sidebar is it has better styling - we may want to try to steal some of that
[01:48] <h00k> lemme screenshot
[01:48] <Takyoji> I'm just not sure
[01:49] <Takyoji> h00k: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/Screenshot.png?t=1267489942 Correct?
[01:49] <Takyoji> I was just figuring nothing in the background would make it a "clean" theme. Otherwise do you want descriptions per primary navigational element, or?
[01:50] <h00k> Takyoji: http://anthonyrhook.com/dump/Screenshot-2.png
[01:50] <h00k> Takyoji: yeah, basically.
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> perhaps we should just make the font size a little smaller in those links
[01:52] <Takyoji> Or shorten the name(s)
[01:52] <Takyoji> Either "Events" or "Calendar"
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> true
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> 'k, that's simple enough.
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> Let's talk release parties a little.
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> h00k: any contact about that up there yet?
[01:53] <h00k> tonyyarusso: Nothing planned specifically, I talked to a guy who is maybe interested in seeing if we can get a room at the chamber or something
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> Brian was talking to me about repository mirrors, and I suspect he's planning to do TIES again.
[01:53] <h00k> A projector, show off some apps to people
[01:53] <tonyyarusso> cool
[01:53] <Takyoji> I have a few people thinking of a potential location I could have one locally
[01:54] <h00k> That's in Superior, anyway. We're getting some activity around LaCrosse too, it seems.
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> nifty
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> mr_steve: It'd be cool if we could have something west of the river as well, btw
[01:55] <tonyyarusso> also, where the heck is Alpha_Cluster for the northwest?
[01:56] <tonyyarusso> semi-related note:  I will be in Finland, MN the weekend after release (May 7-9)
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Faribault locally or some other town in the area?
[01:57] <Takyoji> Emailled nnonix (month ago or so), but he hasn't really thought of any yet. I also have another person who's doing a job in Texas for a few weeks or so, but will be back, and whom is also thinking of a location
[01:57] <Takyoji> (someone whom knows a lot of people in the community and so forth)
[01:58] <Takyoji> Someone whom is also interested in having Ubuntu installed (although I may install 9.10 first; when she returns)
[01:59] <Takyoji> Most likely in Faribault by the way
[01:59] <tonyyarusso> okay, cool
[02:00] <Takyoji> Just would have to figure out how to promote it accordingly; once a location is decided (if ever)
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> We'll need to do a lot of legwork this month (MARCH!  crazy) to really be ready in time for those, so start talking about that stuff a lot, both in person and on the ML.
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> As far as promotion, we have a list of Media contacts already put together, and if we have details ahead of time can get flyers from System76.
[02:00] <tonyyarusso> both of those require that we know what's going on more than two days in advance though, so timing is key.
[02:01] <Takyoji> yea
[02:01] <Takyoji> Still about 2 months until the release of Lucid
[02:01] <Takyoji> (considering it's released at the end of April if I remember correctly)
[02:02] <Takyoji> April 29th
[02:02] <Takyoji> Thus 59 days remaining
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> correct
[02:03] <Takyoji> Is there a counter yet for the Lucid release?
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> but it creeps up fast ;)
[02:03] <tonyyarusso> I haven't seen one yet - I'll ask
[02:04] <Takyoji> Because it should be the Drupal plugin, although I don't think they've decided on a theme and image yet
[02:04] <Takyoji> Yea, it's not updated yet: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown
[02:05] <Takyoji> Someone should annoy people on #ubuntu-artwork, or?
[02:05] <tonyyarusso> I'm already annoying someone
[02:05] <Takyoji> with a cattle prod and all..
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> I think that's it for our business for now then.
[02:06] <Takyoji> otherwise we could even simply have a stupid text-based one that works via Javascript. :P
[02:06] <tonyyarusso> eww
[02:07] <Takyoji> I think we should also have the Ubuntu logo trail the cursor, and have animated navigational elements, and images for horizontal dividers..
[02:07] <Takyoji> and random irrelevant GIFs
[02:07] <Takyoji> :P
[02:09] <Takyoji> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/LucidCountdownBanners
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> anyone want to edit a 4000-line KML file by hand for me?  :P
[02:14] <Takyoji> Sure! :D
[02:15] <sparklehistory> I have no idea what that is, but I'm guessing no
[02:15] <Takyoji> or perhaps have it scripted. :P
[02:15] <Takyoji> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KML
[02:16] <tonyyarusso> this job needs a human
[02:20] <h00k> Bah, sorry, I'm working right now and I had a rush of people. Is why I haven't been saying much.
[23:45]  * Obsidian1723 later all