[00:00] heard of midori? [00:00] yup :-) [00:00] testran that for a while [00:00] nice rendering... i like my draggable bookmarks. :-) [00:00] not sure on the js part, but uses webkit [00:01] draggable bookmarks...hehhe, I can do that on any browser pretty much [00:01] there's nothing exotic about that [00:01] kind of curious to hear a curmudgeonly old kde guerilla school me on the whole webkit relationship to khtml, and what that has to do with where konq vs. safari is at... [00:02] i mean, being able to drag, organize my toolbar menus, etc. [00:02] a sort of "web desktop" -ish feature that is separate from the rest of the desktop. [00:02] meh, I can all that in opera [00:03] i'm gonna give o10 a try on your suggestion [00:03] detach tabs, retach, swap tabs between windows, move/drag buttons anywhere, add/remove sidepanels [00:03] have you ever used omniweb on the mac ? [00:03] no macOSX here :| [00:03] _that_ is what a browser is supposed to be. [00:04] Typos_King, it's clashing with the default network manager. I get "Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken." Could you give me a hand ? [00:04] it's still on the desk at work, but this is a pure penguin house now. [00:04] Noeve: are you running 'nm-panel'? [00:04] Nope. Let me try that. [00:05] Not installed. What's the package name ? [00:05] ultraputz: not sure on omniweb, but one thing that's different in opera, is that all tabs in the same window use the window as the workspace, so you can minimize/restore/move/drag/resize all within the confiines of the window they're [00:06] Noeve: network-manager-gnome [00:06] I've installed that, yes. nm-panel returns "command not found" though. [00:06] omniweb had tabs before anyone else -- and it's tabs are either tabs, or previews, depending on a draggable setting, and it's in a tray that is only open when the browser is focused, etc. [00:06] Noeve hehhe, you installed that but 'command not found'? hehe [00:06] that can be drag-reordered, popped out to windows, and back into tabs, etc. [00:07] Noeve: ack... is 'nm-applet' my bad :{ [00:07] Typos_King, nm-applet returns the error I gave you - could not acquire the service. [00:07] If I understand correctly, KDE's default network manager is hogging the service, but I'm not sure how to fix that. [00:08] that should depend on which environment you bring up... [00:08] ultraputz: yep, same in opera, you can move them between windows or detach/retach them, when you hover a tab, you also have a choice of 'quick preview' too on a thumbnail, though I have that off [00:09] ultraputz, if that was directed at me, this is a fresh install of Kubuntu. [00:09] this stuff was introduced in omniweb around 2000 -- it's since not quite as far ahead or as impressive in comparison -- but it's taken browsers generally about 7 years to catch up to it. [00:09] Noeve -- did you install gnome after the fact? [00:09] GUYS i HAVE finally completed my AUDIO FIX post on the forums. if any of you are having problems with the sound. follow the steps in this link: you can thank me later :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8789064 3 STEPS are provided try them and see if any works for you:) [00:09] Noeve.... try killing knetworkmanager -> sudo killall `pidof knetworkmanager`; and retry [00:10] Typos_King: ( has pictures: http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omniweb/ ) [00:10] ultraputz, no, I don't want Gnome, or I would have installed Ubuntu :P I just want the Gnome network manager because the default one doesn't work, and a few forum entries suggest Gnome's is better. [00:10] are you on a laptop using wireless? [00:10] Yes. [00:10] using kernal .19 ? [00:11] I downloaded Kubuntu an hour ago. I didn't check the kernel. :P [00:11] Noeve, have you considered wicd ? [00:11] there's a bug... [00:11] Typos_King, no processes found. [00:11] BluesKaj-Laptop, I came across it as a possible backend in the settings somewhere. You recommend I try that ? [00:11] it's hit my laptop, and searching on it -- others too... [00:11] have to boot using kernal .14 [00:11] something in .19 borks wifi for some people. [00:11] can't remember the specifics [00:12] heh [00:12] Noeve latest I think is 2.6.34 anyhow :P [00:12] ultraputz, aaaaah, reasons why I dropped Linux :P [00:12] what's the change? [00:12] Noeve: it doesn't show an icon on the tray? [00:12] Typos_King, there's an icon, the default KDE one, I think it's called KNetworkManager. [00:13] Noeve, depends on your wifi card , but I'm on karmic atm, network manager only worked for 24 hrs on this laptop so I switched [00:13] Noeve: i want to run opensolaris, but the project looks to be in trouble. [00:13] hey guys what do you use instead of gedit in kubuntu? [00:13] Noeve: can you right-click it and close it? [00:13] But it just doesn't connect correctly. It doesn't get past "Activating" [00:13] what are you rocking? [00:13] BluesKaj-Laptop, bah :( [00:13] !info wicd | Noeve [00:13] Noeve: wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-3ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 415 kB, installed size 2464 kB [00:13] raj: Geany is pretty good, and small enough, for quickies [00:13] Typos_King, no, I can't just close it with a right-click :P [00:14] raj: second Typos_King on that. :-) [00:14] raj: depends what you need the editor for of course, if it's for programming, there are others :) [00:14] typos_king i mean by default i cant remember what kubuntu uses instead of gedit? [00:14] Kate [00:14] thx [00:14] raj: kate [00:14] but geany has a lighter overhead [00:14] Currently "Configuring interface" on mouseover, and "Activating" on click, but it gets no further. [00:14] i am editing a post for kubuntu / xubuntu and ubuntu .. so every1 can use it :) [00:14] * ultraputz still uses emacs. [00:15] noeve -- are you able to bring up the wireless interface through shell ? [00:15] Noeve: how about ... open Konsole... and type ->sudo killall `pidof knetworkmanager` [00:15] iwconfig ? [00:15] BluesKaj-Laptop, switched to wicd backend, no avail. Same problem. [00:15] Noeve: try to bring it up manually? [00:16] see if something lower down is pissing it off? [00:16] ultraputz, it's found the adaptor on wlan0 [00:16] can you bring up a connection? [00:16] I'm not sure how. [00:16] hehe [00:16] what os ? [00:16] Koala. [00:16] debian / gnu -- [00:17] ok [00:17] koala meaning, 9.1 [00:17] try iwconfig [00:17] Yep. [00:17] hehe, karmic koala :P [00:17] Awesome name :P [00:17] and then do something like: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up [00:17] you might wanna double check the syntax with "man ifconfig" first :-) [00:17] tis correct [00:17] or sudo ip link set wlan0 up; [00:17] you and your fancy ip. [00:18] damn kids, get off my lawn. [00:18] It's up, but it's almost like the password is incorrect. [00:18] ok, now do: dmesg | tail -100 | less [00:18] and see why :-) [00:18] ('q' to drop out of less.) [00:18] Noeve I've heard of issues with knetworkmanager before.... usually in 9.1..... which nm-applet doesn't have, so.... I use nm-applet :) [00:19] Typos_King, that's what I've been asking about ! :P [00:19] Noeve.... sooooo nm-applet running? [00:19] I want to get nm-applet but it won't let me run it because the service is taken by the default network thing. [00:19] * ultraputz , through brute force and force of will... subdued his problem... by using an older kernal. [00:19] ... [00:19] ok, so to figure out where it's hiding [00:20] Noeve...... can you install something... I guess you can... try installing -> sudo apt-get install qps [00:20] probably start with settings > advanced > autostarted-ish whatever [00:20] Noeve: qps is a visual process manager, will shows if knetworkmanager is running and you can kill it fromt here, also will show if nm-applet is too [00:20] and Typos_King and I will try to confuse you as much as possible by following two disparate lines of analysis ... :-) [00:21] heheh [00:21] I'll head downstairs and install qps then. ultraputz, I'd already checked there, there's nothing suspicious :P [00:21] Typos_King: it may be set to auto-restart... [00:21] which could make this fun [00:21] There's only a script file running gtk2 [00:21] ultraputz: it's, if you boot to kde wm, yes, doesn't mean you can't kill it [00:21] it doesn't bounce back? [00:21] nope [00:22] is not a daemon [00:22] aha. excellent. [00:22] so does anyone here know what the plus and minus toggle icon that appears above icons in widget folder view are about? [00:22] ey. is there a way to backup annotations stored for okular in PDF files? [00:23] hola como estan? [00:23] do the anotations stay if you duplicate the file ? [00:23] Poyntz: ...dunno.... I'd think not, I'd think okular...... has them stashed for its own use [00:23] Noeve, try this in the cli , sudo dhclient wlan0 ...pastebin the output if it's more than 2 lines [00:25] Typos_King: gah. see the thing is I wanna dual boot with win7 but I fun wanna risk losin the annotations in kde wen I partition the drives. there's months o stuff in there [00:25] Poyntz: start by searching out where it keeps that [00:25] if its' metadata, it's a file or a database file... [00:26] ultraputz: I'm a guy that can't even get openvpn workin :/ [00:26] Poyntz: http://okular.kde.org/faq.php#HowcanIannotateadocumentandsendittoafriendcollegueetc [00:27] ultraputz: thanks man. heaps appreciated! [00:27] Typos_King, qps found knetworkmanager, I killed it, ran nm-applet, and am connected to the internet via wireless. [00:28] Would you mind giving me a hand in making this the default network manager ? [00:28] ... ahe.... well..... [00:29] Noeve, I wish you luck , hope mn works for you tomorrow [00:29] BluesKaj-Laptop, thanks :P [00:29] :) [00:30] or is it nm [00:30] Noeve: http://forums.opensuse.org/network-internet/wireless/427611-dummy-guide-replacing-knetworkmanager.html [00:30] ultraputz, thanks ! [00:31] heh nm :) [00:31] ultraputz: just tried on a file but it didn't save the annotations. I exported as "document archive" for okular but yaa when I opened the new .okular file it just contained the original PDF [00:31] Noeve: I think.... kde uses.... you'd need to check in systemsettings...... I think it might be under Advanced > service manager [00:32] Noeve: and I think kde wm uses ~/.kde/Autostart folder for any apps to load at startup [00:32] Poyntz: hrm. did you try looking at the document itself in kate or something to see if you recognized annotations in it? [00:32] maybe you have to set something to "include annotations" ? [00:34] Poyntz are you trying to 'keep' the annotations 'in the pdf' file or just to have them available from okular only? [00:34] the latter [00:36] Poyntz: I assume you're not saving okular configurations..... I think kde apps use 2 sections to keep configurations ~/.kde/share/config and ~/.kde/share/apps [00:36] ultraputz, that guide is a little... incomplete, but also ineffective. :P [00:37] Poyntz: in ~/.kde/share/config you'd find an rc file .....like okularrc or so, in ~/.kde/share/apps they usually use a folder, and there's where the 'user's settings are [00:37] Trying another. [00:37] ultraputz: i think it mighta saved the most recent annotations but the ones i made the other day dont seem t b there. I checked thr original file as well tho n try dont seem to be in that either.. Strange [00:37] Nonetheless i think annotations are effectively saving in the .okular file so thanks! [00:38] hehe [00:38] *try = they [00:38] Poyntz: no idea ... it may be broken.. [00:39] Poyntz: there's an editor for pdf's you know, tis in the repositories, pdfedit [00:40] yaa I don't need to edit tho :p. just annotate. ty tho [00:41] also dragon player doesn't work n power management shuts my laptop off afta 30seconds without AC connected [00:42] power management also won't let me change brightness levels like it claims (but I can do that wit the keys so it isn't a significant issue) [00:42] the fact that it shuts off my comp afta 30secs on battery is annoying tho [00:43] sorry I mean 'hibernates my comp', not 'shuts it down' [00:44] Poyntz: dunn on dragon player.... didn't work for me, but I think is due to libraries, it seem to need some for playback, I use Xine-ui, after I installed xine-ui, dragonplayer now plays hehe [00:44] man. one major strike against KDE is -- it really makes the sound subsystem mad. [00:44] though I prefer xine-ui, much less overhead and comes with a heap of codecs [00:44] this was an ubuntu installation with kde added later... [00:45] mad? [00:45] "this device is offline" [00:45] two instances of vlc cannot play at the same time. or sometimes they can. [00:45] Typos_King: I tried both backends with it to no avail :/. When I use one of them it still plays the audio but it shows no vid [00:45] flash video play randomly cannot play audio. then it can. [00:46] Poyntz a dvd? you mean, you installed xine-ui? [00:46] that sentence did not parse well: flash videos play, but the audio randomly might, or might not. [00:46] ultraputz: and yes. I originally had ubuntu n installed kubuntu-desktop on top o it. thing is I've don't a fair few updates since doing it n I'd b surprised if the majority of my OS isn't kde n not gnome now [00:46] it behaves really well after it's restarted, but after about 2-3 hours, something flips out. [00:47] it updates all installed packages, runs their installation scripts... [00:47] ultraputz: ... not sure if it's kde.... may just be a libflashplayer.so plugin issue, I can play .flv files in xine-ui just fine, and also in opera embedded [00:47] it's not whether or not it plays... [00:47] notifications about the sound card becoming unavailable... [00:48] i could go into the system audio settings, re-assert the card, and things would be fine. [00:48] Typos_King: I installed everything that seemed relevant relating to xine in kpackagekit including the package you mentioned. as for DVDs , it's the rare thing that dragonplayer actually does play lol [00:48] and by card, i mean the boring audio hardware in a 7 year old well supported compaq laptop :-) [00:48] heheh [00:48] which, additionally, i should add -- works flawlessly under gnome and xfce. [00:48] Poyntz: so... what is not playing? [00:49] Got a ? [00:49] Typos_King: any movie media files, anything I click on won't play. Only audio but no vid [00:50] DVDs only work when dragon player opens them up on launch [00:50] How do do file association for downloaded file...like pdf"s or word docs [00:50] I can't open dragon player n attempt to direct it to the DVD bc it won't play it [00:51] Poyntz: check for plugins... under .... /usr/lib/xine/plugins [00:52] Perf: right click the file, select 'open with' and choose the appropriate file from the list [00:53] *appropriate program from the list [00:53] Perf: usually... .depends on the browser, each have their own options for that, but usually is better, for pdf and docs, just dl :) [00:53] Poyntz: I thought you said dragonplayer played dvd hehe [00:54] Typos_King: two folders- 1.25 n 1.26 [00:54] Typos_King: in that directory that is [00:54] How do I view daemons so I can disable one on boot ? [00:54] Poyntz: 2 folders.... hehe... why..2? seems to have been a double-install.... any .so files in them? [00:55] been running ubuntu for a year and always had problems getting to the programs directory for file association [00:55] where do you find the programs directory [00:55] Typos_King: it does lol. It plays as the default player for DVDs [00:55] Noeve: systemsettings > advanced > services; usually [00:55] yes i am a windows user....boooo [00:55] Typos_King, it's not appearing there. I'll ask in #ubuntu. [00:56] Perf: System Settings -> Default Applications [00:56] thankyou very much all [00:57] Typos_King: yaaa. both are full of .so files [00:57] actually wrong [00:57] Poyntz: and .. you said that xine-ui doesn't play dvd? or doesn't play which media? [00:57] 1.26 only has one .so ole [00:57] *file [00:58] Poyntz: and 1.25? [00:59] Perf: soz man. the apps directory will b /usr/bin [00:59] but if ya wanna configure default apps use the program I said [01:00] else go to the extension n select open with from the menu then choose a defaul program n check the box that says set as default [01:01] that's it thankyou [01:04] Typos_King: dragon only plays DVDs but it doesn't play .avi .mp4a .mov .fv etc... [01:05] as in it won't play any media file type that isn't audio [01:05] except it will play the audio for any media file type [01:05] just not the video [01:05] excluding DVDs where it plays both audio n video :p [01:05] and xine-ui? [01:06] !codecs [01:06] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [01:06] can it play .flv or m4v? [01:06] Typos_King: also 1.25 is full of .so files that start with xineplug_ [01:07] Poyntz: right, those ARE the codecs, or decompressors [01:07] so, that means it'll play in xine-ui === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:08] Poyntz: as far as dragonplayer... you can try the urls genii just pasted, to get the codecs for it, system wide [01:08] as I said.... I usually just use xine-ui hehe, I have since.... way back, nicer skin and overhead [01:10] Typos_King: hmm it's hard t say where the issue comes from. VLC and mplayer (the only other video players I have) dot use the kde system backends [01:11] n vids play fine on mplayer (with a few freeze bugs but yaa- offtopic cause it ain't kde related) [01:11] and xine? ehehhe [01:11] do they play? [01:11] dragon plays .flv [01:11] Poyntz: as far as dragonplayer... you can try the urls genii just pasted, to get the codecs for it, system wide [01:13] kubian: it might fo you, not for me ;) [01:13] Poyntz: what you have, as genii pointed out, is just missing codecs either system wide what dragonplayer can use, or specific for it, as you can see, those xineplug_...so...ared the codecs that xine uses, for me it plays a heapload of formats [01:14] Typos_King: just tried xine, it plays videos :) [01:14] dragon also plays MPEG file [01:15] Typos_King: sorry about bein slow to reply to ya messages. I'm on my iPhone IRC lol cause my proxy blocks me off from using IRC [01:15] n it's hard to type on the iPhone lol [01:16] hehe [01:17] also it does push n pull communication. So it takes a while for me t see ya messages [01:19] 4.4.1 on karmic looks great..thanks a lot guys for the efforts.. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === kennedy is now known as kemg [01:44] jk; [01:45] just loaded this on Piii new user [01:46] where can i get rpn calculator app [01:48] bye [01:49] rpn calculator? [01:49] Does anyone know what is happening when my computer screen turns blank from idling [01:49] and just prompts a flashing underscore. [01:53] It says that it suspends to ram [01:53] But Idk how to get it back from ram [01:53] lol [03:01] why does kpackagekit tell me i no longer have the priviledge to install software after upgrading to 4.4.1? [03:10] v1ttu: Perhaps you haven't rebooted yet to the new kernel [03:12] i have [03:12] i rebooted to try to see if it went away [03:12] it doesnt =/ === jay is now known as Guest95930 === Guest95930 is now known as minarge [03:52] just tried to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10. failed because of some dependencies. im in the recovery menu atm [03:52] what does the dpkg (repair broken packages) option actually run? [03:53] i need to get a console first so i can get the wireless working [03:59] hmm. its not letting me uninstall nvidia glx packages (im not using nvidia anymore) because the install script attempts to overwrite libGL with old backed up versions [04:03] just do a fresh install [04:03] upgrading breaks the system about 30% of the time =/ [04:13] i hate linux error messages :( they dont make any sense [04:13] unable to create './usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2' no such file or directory [04:13] that file is definitely there. [04:13] removing it...make no difference [04:14] and why should a file not being there make it impossible to create a new file [04:14] this is BACKWARDS >:| [04:15] Has someone installed KDE 4.4.1 from PPA, are the packages working fine? [04:16] i removed the offending package [04:16] and it launches straight into the upgrade again [04:16] wtf. [04:16] why cant it just do what i tell it to do? [04:20] i wouldnt kdesk [04:20] it has nuked kpackagekit [04:21] thanks for the info v1ttu! [04:22] v1ttu: you did only see that issue? [04:24] so far yeah [04:38] hey guys when i'm starting kubuntu plasma takes too long to start up, anyone know what could be happening? thanks [04:41] albertolempira: myabe your plasma config files are broken. you can move them, or remove them. rm ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* [04:42] albertolempira: then you have to restart palasma, or log out and login again [04:45] KDesk ok, i'm gonna try that because is really annoying... thanks... brb [04:45] albertolempira: I hope it works === administrator_ is now known as Bloki [04:48] KDesk: ok, i did it, so now i'm rebooting to check its fine, thanks again, brb. [04:48] albertolempira: no need to reboot [04:48] albertolempira: only logout and re login again, or kquitapp plasma-desktop [04:49] albertolempira: and start it by: plasma-desktop === mike is now known as Guest76289 [04:52] KDesk: it worked! thank you! [04:52] alberto_ :-) [04:56] does anyone know how well wow works with wine on intel? [04:59] !appdb | v1ttu [04:59] v1ttu: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [04:59] is the wine channel on freenode? [05:00] nvm lol [05:00] nvm thanks lol*** [05:14] somehow i have an upgraded system thats working [05:21] coould someone help i just installed kubuntu 64 and ati driver wont activate [05:22] what hardware do you have? [05:22] 780 g [05:22] hd 4200 radeon === wiki is now known as Guest85245 [05:23] should work [05:23] what version of kubuntu are you using? [05:23] i downloaded an ati driver 10-2 [05:23] ohhh [05:23] downloaded driver [05:23] do you know how to install it? [05:23] no i downloaded it but i didnt install it [05:24] i dont know how [05:24] have you installed anything through jockey? [05:24] im brand new to linux [05:24] i see [05:24] ok [05:24] hold on [05:24] k [05:24] jayq330: I recommend reading closely instructions at http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu [05:25] ill read this and itll show me what to do right? [05:25] no sound either [05:26] jayq330 check your irc channels:P [05:26] jayq330: If you want to install the ati driver you downloaded from their site, use the instructions on the page I gave, they are fairly comprehensive === gregorio is now known as Guest51544 [06:16] Hola [06:17] hola Guest51544 o/ [06:17] que tal [06:17] !es [06:17] En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [06:18] Hola a todos [06:18] soy nuevo en este medio de Quassel, [06:18] en este chat === Guest51544 is now known as ggarsa [06:19] muy bien ggarsa [06:19] Saludos a todos desde la ciudad de México [06:20] que tal v1ttu [06:20] Esta área está para el inglés exclusivamente. Viaje por favor al #ubuntu-es [06:21] Hi genni [06:21] ggarsa: Hello [06:22] kerrata hiljaa ggarsa [06:22] what did you said v1ttu? [06:23] wath means kerrata hijaa [06:23] ? [06:23] jejejejejeje [06:23] kerrata hiljaa** :P [06:24] ggarsa and v1ttu - Please stay to english in this channel, or instead travel to the channel which is correct for your language [06:25] Way genni [06:25] genni, ¿Do you need to practice your english? [06:25] no niin genii... :P [06:25] okkkkk [06:26] i will obey master :3 [06:26] ggarsa: This channel is not to practise using english, it is for help with Kubuntu, given in english [06:27] ah [06:27] ok [06:27] I am sorry [06:27] thank you for your explanation [06:27] it's ok [06:28] * genii hands out mugs of coffee [06:29] ok, see you [06:34] this is not fun: Radio Mobile Deluxe + Wine 1.1.39 = random X crash back to login. logs show nothing that would sugest whats going on [06:35] any ideas about logging options to spot the issue [06:35] what the fudge is radio mobile deluxe? [06:36] v1ttu: terrain and mapping software [06:36] any1 want to introduce me to the terminal cmd..... <------- very newb here, tx u [06:37] rf link anylizer and propigation prediction, etc [06:37] 3d? [06:37] what kinda command smoken? [06:38] CartoonCat: Sounds more like a WINE issue... did you ask in their channel yet? [06:38] yea but doesnt use opengl, pure cpu cycles [06:38] it may be something else [06:38] did you upgrade xorg through xorg edgers anytime recently? [06:38] genii: im not having the issue on any of a dozen other boxes, only the single kubuntu box [06:39] its deff something kubuntu related, just not sure if its in how wine was compile, xorg, etc (all are stock kubuntu repo) [06:39] !cli | smokenbless - maybe check out the link here to get started [06:39] smokenbless - maybe check out the link here to get started: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro [06:39] vlttu: hmm.. lets see.... the basic n user stuff with the root thing....... [06:40] you havent updated xorg? [06:40] im thinking ill manual compile in latest wine to test, but the same vers on others dont do it [06:40] its the latest that the repos have [06:40] CartoonCat: Is nvidia card? [06:40] ati [06:40] Hm [06:40] ok i was already reading.... guess ill read some more [06:40] tx [06:41] ati [06:41] thats probably the problem [06:41] what card is it? [06:41] ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] [06:41] yup [06:42] thats the problem im guessing [06:42] its not crashing any other apps [06:42] you're using 9.10 right? [06:42] ya [06:42] this radio thing [06:42]