| gimbal | hi, got one question about ubuntustudio: does it provide any more up-to-date packages than a regular 'stable' more-upstream ubuntu release would? | 00:18 |
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| gimbal | considering migrating my desktop from Debian Lenny to Ubuntu, just want to look into the Ubuntustudio distro before making that move | 00:18 |
| gimbal | and that's the sole question I have about it | 00:18 |
| holstein | hey gimbal | 00:20 |
| holstein | basically | 00:20 |
| gimbal | hulloa | 00:20 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio is just software | 00:20 |
| gimbal | yah | 00:20 |
| holstein | you can add it to a vanilla ubuntu install | 00:21 |
| gimbal | and marketing kinda, I'd pitch in, heh | 00:21 |
| holstein | pulls from the same repo | 00:21 |
| holstein | you do audio production in lenny? | 00:22 |
| gimbal | starting to | 00:22 |
| holstein | cool | 00:22 |
| gimbal | bugged that there's no ardour in lenny | 00:22 |
| holstein | you might want to look at 64studio | 00:23 |
| holstein | you can add AFAIK | 00:23 |
| gimbal | already had to reinstall after a grub upgrade broke my boot sequence, under the 'unstable' branch heh | 00:23 |
| gimbal | cool | 00:23 |
| holstein | the 64studio repos to lenny | 00:23 |
| holstein | the newer 64studio 3.x is hardy based | 00:23 |
| gimbal | hey that's nice to see - what I can glance of their business model on short review anyways, heh | 00:24 |
| holstein | but i think they still maintain an older repo for debain | 00:24 |
| holstein | debian* | 00:24 |
| holstein | not a lot of support though | 00:24 |
| holstein | he IRC channel is dead | 00:24 |
| holstein | and i had mixed luck with the mailinglist | 00:24 |
| holstein | cant really beat ubuntu when it come to that :) | 00:25 |
| gimbal | i c | 00:25 |
| holstein | gimbal: /j #opensourcemusicians :) | 00:25 |
| gimbal | ahh heh; just kind of researching an installation right now, and shooting the bulll; got more admin stuff to do about that, before I can go too much further about it | 00:27 |
| holstein | well, good luck | 00:28 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio is well maintained and stable | 00:28 |
| holstein | you will enjoy :) | 00:29 |
| gimbal | thanks | 00:31 |
| gimbal | so it looks like I could put ubuntu and the ubuntustudio bundles onto my laptop, and connect it to my dekstop via netjack | 01:05 |
| gimbal | ...if I can just figure out how to get the hdmi output working on the laptop, it's what's connecting it to the monitor | 01:06 |
| gimbal | under linux; just thinking out loud I guess | 01:07 |
| claybustr | ubuntu 9.10 / ck804 sound card w/ alsa. alsa finds it, oob installation plays other stuff. jackd gives bus error attempting to control device hw:0 and that's all it will tell me even if verbose is set on. bus error results in all other apps refusing to start after that. Most of the howto/helps I've found are ancient. Is there an identified problem here? | 02:47 |
| Blank__ | ive found that jackd/alsa is broken in 9.10 | 02:49 |
| Blank__ | :( | 02:49 |
| claybustr | I should say 'well known problem with well known solution'. | 02:49 |
| claybustr | I was really hoping you were going to say ck804 rather than alsa. I got an m-audio 2496 in a box back home. | 02:52 |
| Monona | Jack is getting tons of xruns before I even run any other programs. I've been doing a bunch of troubleshooting (some of which is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1407904) and I'm pretty stuck. How can I test if it's a hardware issue or rt-kernel issue or something like that? | 04:34 |
| holstein | that is a good questino Monona | 04:37 |
| holstein | what is the sound deviec? | 04:37 |
| holstein | device? | 04:37 |
| holstein | * | 04:37 |
| Monona | Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) | 04:38 |
| holstein | what kind of latency are you expecting? | 04:38 |
| holstein | what are you jack settings? | 04:39 |
| holstein | i would suggest staring there | 04:39 |
| holstein | relaxing those settings | 04:39 |
| Monona | I'd take any latency, frankly, if I could get rid of these xruns. | 04:39 |
| Blank__ | have you tried increasing your buffer to 2048 or above | 04:40 |
| Monona | 1024 Frames/period, Sample rate 44100, 2 periods/buffer | 04:40 |
| holstein | try increasing those settings | 04:41 |
| holstein | until you get a latency of around 50+ ms | 04:41 |
| holstein | to test | 04:41 |
| holstein | you might not want to have that all the time | 04:41 |
| Blank__ | also what are you using to configure jackd, as if you've got the -rt kernel you can enable realtime | 04:41 |
| holstein | but that might help troubleshoot | 04:42 |
| Monona | I get ALSA: cannot set period size to 2048 frames for playback | 04:42 |
| Blank__ | :| | 04:42 |
| holstein | good call Blank__ | 04:42 |
| holstein | the RT ckeckbox | 04:42 |
| Monona | qjackctl, RT checkbox, checked! | 04:42 |
| Blank__ | was that checked before? | 04:43 |
| Monona | Latency at 1024 is frames/period is 46.4 ms. | 04:43 |
| Monona | Yup. | 04:43 |
| Blank__ | oh... | 04:43 |
| Blank__ | it could be hardware interrupts messing things up... | 04:43 |
| Blank__ | try unchecking RT and see what happens | 04:44 |
| holstein | hell | 04:44 |
| Blank__ | :p | 04:44 |
| Monona | Output of cat /proc/interrupts here: http://pastebin.com/7uxV6UqJ | 04:44 |
| holstein | you could try a generic kernel and no checkbox | 04:44 |
| Blank__ | so that's on IRQ 16... | 04:45 |
| Blank__ | how many usb things do you have plugged in | 04:45 |
| Blank__ | thats basically the only other thing of note on that interrupt | 04:46 |
| Monona | 3 USB things: keyboard, mouse, external HD | 04:46 |
| holstein | 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 | 04:46 |
| Blank__ | so xruns just idling? | 04:46 |
| holstein | that the one? | 04:46 |
| holstein | not ideal | 04:46 |
| Blank__ | yeah, HDA Intel | 04:46 |
| Monona | holstein: As far as I can tell. | 04:47 |
| holstein | i had a laptop | 04:47 |
| Monona | How do I move it to different IRQ? | 04:47 |
| holstein | with usb on the firewire port | 04:47 |
| holstein | and when i had anything in that USB port | 04:47 |
| holstein | xruns and crashes | 04:47 |
| Monona | Blank__: Yeah, we're talking multiple xruns/second without any other programs. | 04:47 |
| holstein | no way to change it in the bios on my machine | 04:47 |
| holstein | Monona: i think this is plausible | 04:48 |
| holstein | you should look in the bios | 04:48 |
| holstein | and see if you can change it | 04:48 |
| Blank__ | since linux is plug n' play you can theoretically reassign IRQs | 04:48 |
| Blank__ | independent of the bios | 04:48 |
| holstein | i did not think of that | 04:48 |
| Monona | I know approximately zero about the bios, but I'm happy to learn. | 04:48 |
| Monona | How would I do this? | 04:48 |
| holstein | i just assumed i was stuck with it that way | 04:48 |
| Blank__ | the bios on my gigabyte is an absolute pain, and due to it my firewire soundcard drops samples randomly in windows, but works perfectly in linux | 04:49 |
| holstein | Monona: i would google for whatever machine you got | 04:49 |
| holstein | and see how get into the bios | 04:49 |
| holstein | that would be easy | 04:50 |
| Blank__ | it's probably an award bios or phoenix | 04:50 |
| holstein | easy enough | 04:50 |
| Blank__ | probably pressing DEL, ESC, or F1 at startup | 04:50 |
| holstein | might say | 04:50 |
| holstein | when you start up the computer | 04:50 |
| holstein | 'press F1 to enter set-up" | 04:51 |
| holstein | something like that | 04:51 |
| Monona | Yeah, that I know. But what to do when I'm there, that's the question. | 04:51 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:51 |
| holstein | might say IRQ settings | 04:51 |
| holstein | internal devices | 04:51 |
| holstein | onboard devices | 04:52 |
| holstein | something like that | 04:52 |
| holstein | IF its even there | 04:52 |
| Monona | Hm...I'll try, but failing that, what can I do in Linux? | 04:53 |
| holstein | i just learned that you could change the settings from Blank__ :) | 04:54 |
| holstein | theoretically | 04:54 |
| Monona | :) | 04:54 |
| Monona | Alright, I'm gonna give it a shot in BIOS. | 04:55 |
| Monona | I'll be back... | 04:55 |
| Monona | holstein, Blank__: | 05:09 |
| holstein | whats the good news Monona ? | 05:09 |
| Monona | Restarted with regular kernel. Nothing in BIOS was useful. Less xruns (still some), but I've got this crackly sound, almost like the internal mix is clipping. Alsamixer looks ok, tho. | 05:11 |
| Monona | I'm kinda hoping that changing the IRQ might sort this out, cuz I'm stuck. | 05:11 |
| holstein | it looks plausible | 05:12 |
| holstein | 16: 2576519 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb4, HDA Intel, ivtv0 | 05:12 |
| holstein | having 4 things there | 05:12 |
| holstein | not ideal | 05:12 |
| Monona | Right, I just have to change HDA Intel to IRQ 13 or something, maybe? | 05:13 |
| holstein | yeah | 05:13 |
| Monona | The lower the IRQ, the higher the priority, right? | 05:13 |
| holstein | off by itself if possible | 05:13 |
| holstein | would be great | 05:13 |
| holstein | im not sure about the priority of the numbers | 05:13 |
| holstein | i just no you dont want a bunch of other stuff on the same one with your audio card | 05:14 |
| holstein | OH | 05:14 |
| holstein | if you get an actual interface | 05:14 |
| Monona | Makes sense. | 05:14 |
| holstein | a usb interface or something | 05:14 |
| holstein | 1394 is with you ethernet | 05:15 |
| Monona | I have a M-Audio Ozone with an onboard sound card, but it's a whole different process to get that working. | 05:15 |
| holstein | you got a few kindof isolated USB ports | 05:15 |
| holstein | but usb is not ideal either | 05:15 |
| Monona | Like an external sound card? | 05:16 |
| holstein | eah | 05:16 |
| holstein | yeah* | 05:16 |
| holstein | internal sound cards are not great anyways | 05:16 |
| holstein | if you had access to something you could try out | 05:17 |
| holstein | maybe something from bestbuy you could return | 05:17 |
| Monona | I'll probably end up getting one, but I'd like to try to get this working on its own. | 05:17 |
| holstein | http://www.amazon.com/PreSonus-FireBox-Firewire-Recording-Interface/dp/B0006VYH1Q | 05:18 |
| holstein | something like this | 05:18 |
| holstein | would really step up your rig | 05:18 |
| holstein | and grow with you somewhat | 05:18 |
| Monona | Is it Linux-friendly? | 05:19 |
| holstein | i got the presonus firepod | 05:20 |
| holstein | it works great | 05:20 |
| holstein | i would search around | 05:20 |
| holstein | look at the ffado site and forum for it | 05:20 |
| holstein | and make sure | 05:20 |
| holstein | there are some extra hoops to hop through for firewire devices | 05:21 |
| holstein | BUT i think its worth it | 05:21 |
| holstein | compared to a USB device | 05:21 |
| Monona | This is a new computer, and I'm not sure it's even got firewire. | 05:22 |
| Monona | (new to me, that is) | 05:22 |
| holstein | 20: 87367 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci1394, eth0 | 05:22 |
| Monona | That's my firewire? | 05:23 |
| holstein | i think ohci1394 is your firewire | 05:23 |
| Monona | Good to know. | 05:23 |
| Monona | Alright, I'm in the regular ubuntu channel trying to change the IRQ. Let's see how that goes. | 05:23 |
| holstein | COOL | 05:24 |
| holstein | Monona: come to #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance... | 05:24 |
| holstein | good luck | 05:24 |
| zeko | hi guys, just being curious, i just installed ubuntustudio-desktop in ubuntu, and i was expecting to get to choose Gnome,KDE, or ubuntustudio at the login screen, or is Ubuntustudio just a collection of AV packages | 13:22 |
| zeko | i typed in terminal as ' apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' | 13:23 |
| astraljava | zeko: apt-get install usplash-theme-ubuntustudio | 13:26 |
| astraljava | no sorry, misunderstood | 13:26 |
| zeko | astraljava: i have the theme | 13:26 |
| astraljava | apt-get install ubuntustudio-gdm-theme | 13:26 |
| astraljava | Right. | 13:26 |
| zeko | astraljava: i was thinking if i could get it as an option like GNOME, KDE. | 13:27 |
| astraljava | Don't know about that, perhaps you can just select it when at the greeter. | 13:27 |
| zeko | astraljava: it wasnt there. | 13:28 |
| zeko | astraljava: is it a collection of packages and apps? or a separate distro? | 13:29 |
| astraljava | Both, the packages are freely available for all ubuntu users though. | 13:32 |
| jussi01 | zeko: its a collection of packages with some nice default settings. | 13:42 |
| zeko | jussi01 : yeah got it, it has created a ' Audio production' Menu at sound and video secion, i think i need to install the gdm theme for the look , Thanks | 13:44 |
| jussi01 | !vanilla | 13:44 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 13:44 |
| Zus | anyone familiar with software studios like ableton "LIVE!" and Reason? | 13:58 |
| RemunJ66 | Hi to all. This is my first chat on #ubuntustudio | 16:06 |
| RemunJ66 | Was trying to enter irc channels through SamePlace Firefox addon | 16:07 |
| RemunJ66 | Not a succes i must tell, but after installing xchat-gnome it was peace of cake | 16:09 |
| RemunJ66 | I will come back later in the evening, now is dinner time :-) | 16:10 |
| ShadeS | hey | 23:55 |
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